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Aug 3rd, 2023 at 7:24am
 
After laws were passed banning the carrying of any knives in public & especially on school grounds the Sikh community have been protesting that they are being religiously discriminated against because all Sikh men are required to carry a ceremonial knife called the Kirpan which they secret on their person.

Now our Appeals Court has found in their favour & say they have been discriminated against & the ban on them is invalid.

They will be free to carry these knives in public & on school grounds but no one else will be allowed.

This decision comes even after factional fighting in a Sikh community where these ceremonial knives & swords were used as weapons in QLD

& the instance of a stabbing on school grounds in Sydney leaving a student with life threatening injuries.

Then the perpetrator walked free from court with merely a 3 year correctional order.

A knife is a knife this is sheer bloody madness from our Judiciary.

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SIKHS IN LEGAL WIN TO CARRY KNIVES
VANESSA MARSH - TOBY CROCKFORD

Kids will be able to carry sharpened blades in schools after the state’s highest court found Queensland’s weapons legislation barring Sikhs from carrying religious knives on school grounds is racial discrimination and therefore invalid.

Sikh woman Kamaljit Kaur Athwal has won a fight against the State of Queensland over a provision in the Weapons Act prohibiting the possession of a knife on school grounds for genuine religious purposes.
(Why a woman? women don't wear Kirpans)


Initiated Sikhs are required to wear or possess five articles of faith at all times, including a ceremonial sword known as a kirpan, typically worn sheathed and concealed beneath clothing.

A Department of Education spokeswoman said, “As this legal decision has just been handed down, the department will now consider any implications”.

The Court of Appeal judgment stated the kirpan “comes in a variety of different shapes, sizes and degrees of sharpness/bluntness”.

Under Queensland law, there is a reasonable excuse to possess a knife for genuine religious purposes, such as the Sikh faith.

But that does not extend to schools, with the legislation stating, “however, it is not a reasonable excuse to physically possess a knife in a school for genuine religious purposes”.
(& that should still be the case)


In 2021, Ms Athwal made an application to the Supreme Court seeking a declaration that the Weapons Act was inconsistent with the Racial Discrimination Act and was therefore invalid.

In September last year, Justice Sue Brown dismissed her application.

But the Court of Appeal has this week overturned the decision, finding the provision directed at Sikhs affected
“their exercise of freedom of movement and freedom of religion in a significant way”.

“An initiated Sikh, who may be a student, a parent of a student or a teacher, is given the choice of committing an offence against (the Weapons Act), never entering a school or contravening the tenets of their religious
belief by entering a school without physical possession of their kirpan,” the appeal judges wrote.

“By making provision that is directed at their religion, s51(5) in its substantive operation provides for Sikhs to enjoy the rights to freedom of movement and freedom of religion to a more limited extent than persons of other ethnic groups.

“No other group finds their freedom of religion or freedom of movement limited in that way, by a law directed to a unique feature of the ethnic group’s religious beliefs.”
(what other religious groups carry knives as a religious tenet?)


The appeal judges set aside the earlier order dismissing Ms Athwal’s application.

A declaration was made that section 51(5) of the Weapons Act 1990 is inconsistent with the Racial
Discrimination Act 1975 and was therefore invalid under the Commonwealth Constitution.

Former Brisbane Sikh Temple head priest Kuldeep Singh said the kirpan was a symbol of a Sikh’s commitment to their faith. “You cannot be Sikh without a kirpan,” he said.


Some links are paywalled.

https://7news.com.au/news/religion-and-belief/its-dangerous-sikh-community-divid...

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/truecrimeaustralia/police-courts-nsw/teen-who-...

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Reply #1 - Aug 3rd, 2023 at 8:10am
 
What about ISIS kids -

will they be able to carry an AK-47  ?

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Reply #2 - Aug 3rd, 2023 at 8:37am
 
Gnads wrote on Aug 3rd, 2023 at 7:24am:
The Court of Appeal judgment stated the kirpan “comes in a variety of different shapes, sizes and degrees of sharpness/bluntness”.



'In NSW, A baptised Sikh student may wear a Kirpan at school provided:

it is of a small size, full length of 16.5cm (around 6.5 inches) or less, with no sharp edges or points;
the blade is secured within the sheath so that it cannot be withdrawn, and
it is worn under clothes and secured so it cannot be used.'
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Hockey sticks and cricket bats are checked for sharp edges but football violence is gang warfare.

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Reply #3 - Aug 3rd, 2023 at 8:51am
 
chimera wrote on Aug 3rd, 2023 at 8:37am:
Gnads wrote on Aug 3rd, 2023 at 7:24am:
The Court of Appeal judgment stated the kirpan “comes in a variety of different shapes, sizes and degrees of sharpness/bluntness”.



'In NSW, A baptised Sikh student may wear a Kirpan at school provided:

it is of a small size, full length of 16.5cm (around 6.5 inches) or less, with no sharp edges or points;
the blade is secured within the sheath so that it cannot be withdrawn, and
it is worn under clothes and secured so it cannot be used.'
--
Hockey sticks and cricket bats are checked for sharp edges but football violence is gang warfare.



So you tell me what knives don't have a point?

And how is it secured in a sheath that it cannot be withdrawn?

The whole concept of a Kirpan is it is worn so a Sikh man can protect his family.

And what is the relevance of gang warfare to supposed law abiding religious minorities?

Gangs also use fire arms ... as the drive by gangland shootings in Sydney attest.

Where's the religious connotation to that?

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Reply #4 - Aug 3rd, 2023 at 9:25am
 
An un-pointed knife doesn't have a point.
'In 1827, when the forceful Dr Thomas Arnold arrived at Rugby School (in Warwickshire, England) as the new headmaster, it was a mess. His goal was to foster a vital faith and genuine Christian character in the boys. Arnold’s rationale for young men playing sports such as rugby (which later took the form of different codes) was 'The least of the muscular Christians has hold of the old chivalrous belief, that a man’s body is given to him to be trained' …

https://www.cognitivefxusa.com/blog/football-concussion-prevention-and-recovery
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Reply #5 - Aug 3rd, 2023 at 9:34am
 
Gnads wrote on Aug 3rd, 2023 at 8:51am:
chimera wrote on Aug 3rd, 2023 at 8:37am:
Gnads wrote on Aug 3rd, 2023 at 7:24am:
The Court of Appeal judgment stated the kirpan “comes in a variety of different shapes, sizes and degrees of sharpness/bluntness”.



'In NSW, A baptised Sikh student may wear a Kirpan at school provided:

it is of a small size, full length of 16.5cm (around 6.5 inches) or less, with no sharp edges or points;
the blade is secured within the sheath so that it cannot be withdrawn, and
it is worn under clothes and secured so it cannot be used.'
--
Hockey sticks and cricket bats are checked for sharp edges but football violence is gang warfare.



So you tell me what knives don't have a point?

And how is it secured in a sheath that it cannot be withdrawn?

The whole concept of a Kirpan is it is worn so a Sikh man can protect his family.

And what is the relevance of gang warfare to supposed law abiding religious minorities?

Gangs also use fire arms ... as the drive by gangland shootings in Sydney attest.

Where's the religious connotation to that?




Just, wow.

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Reply #6 - Aug 3rd, 2023 at 9:45am
 
mothra wrote on Aug 3rd, 2023 at 9:34am:
Gnads wrote on Aug 3rd, 2023 at 8:51am:
chimera wrote on Aug 3rd, 2023 at 8:37am:
Gnads wrote on Aug 3rd, 2023 at 7:24am:
The Court of Appeal judgment stated the kirpan “comes in a variety of different shapes, sizes and degrees of sharpness/bluntness”.



'In NSW, A baptised Sikh student may wear a Kirpan at school provided:

it is of a small size, full length of 16.5cm (around 6.5 inches) or less, with no sharp edges or points;
the blade is secured within the sheath so that it cannot be withdrawn, and
it is worn under clothes and secured so it cannot be used.'
--
Hockey sticks and cricket bats are checked for sharp edges but football violence is gang warfare.



So you tell me what knives don't have a point?

And how is it secured in a sheath that it cannot be withdrawn?

The whole concept of a Kirpan is it is worn so a Sikh man can protect his family.

And what is the relevance of gang warfare to supposed law abiding religious minorities?

Gangs also use fire arms ... as the drive by gangland shootings in Sydney attest.

Where's the religious connotation to that?




Just, wow.



Care to extrapolate?

I'm sure it will be good.

So you condone knives being allowed to be carried by some & not others?

I believe if the laws say "no knives" it applies to everyone .... religious custom has no exemption.
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Reply #7 - Aug 3rd, 2023 at 9:50am
 
Gnads wrote on Aug 3rd, 2023 at 9:45am:
mothra wrote on Aug 3rd, 2023 at 9:34am:
Gnads wrote on Aug 3rd, 2023 at 8:51am:
chimera wrote on Aug 3rd, 2023 at 8:37am:
Gnads wrote on Aug 3rd, 2023 at 7:24am:
The Court of Appeal judgment stated the kirpan “comes in a variety of different shapes, sizes and degrees of sharpness/bluntness”.



'In NSW, A baptised Sikh student may wear a Kirpan at school provided:

it is of a small size, full length of 16.5cm (around 6.5 inches) or less, with no sharp edges or points;
the blade is secured within the sheath so that it cannot be withdrawn, and
it is worn under clothes and secured so it cannot be used.'
--
Hockey sticks and cricket bats are checked for sharp edges but football violence is gang warfare.



So you tell me what knives don't have a point?

And how is it secured in a sheath that it cannot be withdrawn?

The whole concept of a Kirpan is it is worn so a Sikh man can protect his family.

And what is the relevance of gang warfare to supposed law abiding religious minorities?

Gangs also use fire arms ... as the drive by gangland shootings in Sydney attest.

Where's the religious connotation to that?




Just, wow.



Care to extrapolate?

I'm sure it will be good.

So you condone knives being allowed to be carried by some & not others?

I believe if the laws say "no knives" it applies to everyone .... religious custom has no exemption.


The courts disagree with you , Gonads.

And that, of course, is after being presented with all of the information ... as opposed to your rather hysterical OP.
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Reply #8 - Aug 3rd, 2023 at 9:59am
 
chimera wrote on Aug 3rd, 2023 at 8:37am:
Gnads wrote on Aug 3rd, 2023 at 7:24am:
The Court of Appeal judgment stated the kirpan “comes in a variety of different shapes, sizes and degrees of sharpness/bluntness”.



'In NSW, A baptised Sikh student may wear a Kirpan at school provided:

it is of a small size, full length of 16.5cm (around 6.5 inches) or less, with no sharp edges or points;
the blade is secured within the sheath so that it cannot be withdrawn, and
it is worn under clothes and secured so it cannot be used.'
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Cheesy Cheesy

How to accommodate a silly, alien efnic superstitious custom - you can have a knife your religion dictates as long as it doesnt have ANY of th he functions of a knife and can never be used AS a knife.

And they are satisfied.
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Reply #9 - Aug 3rd, 2023 at 10:14am
 
Frank wrote on Aug 3rd, 2023 at 9:59am:
chimera wrote on Aug 3rd, 2023 at 8:37am:
Gnads wrote on Aug 3rd, 2023 at 7:24am:
The Court of Appeal judgment stated the kirpan “comes in a variety of different shapes, sizes and degrees of sharpness/bluntness”.



'In NSW, A baptised Sikh student may wear a Kirpan at school provided:

it is of a small size, full length of 16.5cm (around 6.5 inches) or less, with no sharp edges or points;
the blade is secured within the sheath so that it cannot be withdrawn, and
it is worn under clothes and secured so it cannot be used.'
--


Cheesy Cheesy

How to accommodate a silly, alien efnic superstitious custom - you can have a knife your religion dictates as long as it doesnt have ANY of th he functions of a knife and can never be used AS a knife.

And they are satisfied.


Unimaginable! Things beyond the old boy's understanding in this world.

Alas, he will perpetually besmirch it ... relevant and legalised as it is.


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Reply #10 - Aug 3rd, 2023 at 10:23am
 
I like Sikhs - they're good with knives....
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Reply #11 - Aug 3rd, 2023 at 10:26am
 
chimera wrote on Aug 3rd, 2023 at 8:37am:
Gnads wrote on Aug 3rd, 2023 at 7:24am:
The Court of Appeal judgment stated the kirpan “comes in a variety of different shapes, sizes and degrees of sharpness/bluntness”.



'In NSW, A baptised Sikh student may wear a Kirpan at school provided:

it is of a small size, full length of 16.5cm (around 6.5 inches) or less, with no sharp edges or points;
the blade is secured within the sheath so that it cannot be withdrawn, and
it is worn under clothes and secured so it cannot be used.'
--
Hockey sticks and cricket bats are checked for sharp edges but football violence is gang warfare.




Well - what a relief - only 6.5 inches long - enough to penetrate heart and come out near spine... good to know our 'courts' are on the ball again.....

If it has a blade someone will find a way to get it out and use it.... watch this space.
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Reply #12 - Aug 3rd, 2023 at 10:33am
 
No point.
No point.
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Reply #13 - Aug 3rd, 2023 at 10:36am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 3rd, 2023 at 10:26am:
chimera wrote on Aug 3rd, 2023 at 8:37am:
Gnads wrote on Aug 3rd, 2023 at 7:24am:
The Court of Appeal judgment stated the kirpan “comes in a variety of different shapes, sizes and degrees of sharpness/bluntness”.



'In NSW, A baptised Sikh student may wear a Kirpan at school provided:

it is of a small size, full length of 16.5cm (around 6.5 inches) or less, with no sharp edges or points;
the blade is secured within the sheath so that it cannot be withdrawn, and
it is worn under clothes and secured so it cannot be used.'
--
Hockey sticks and cricket bats are checked for sharp edges but football violence is gang warfare.




Well - what a relief - only 6.5 inches long - enough to penetrate heart and come out near spine... good to know our 'courts' are on the ball again.....

If it has a blade someone will find a way to get it out and use it.... watch this space.



And it has no point and is to be carried in a nigh on impenetrable sheath under several layers of clothing.

But don't let me get in the way of you all becoming hysterical.

What would Pauline say!?
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Reply #14 - Aug 3rd, 2023 at 10:42am
 
Where there's a will there's a way - I mean - look at what your parents managed......
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