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Reply #15 - Aug 3rd, 2023 at 10:59am
 
That is you,swinging on the vine.
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Reply #16 - Aug 3rd, 2023 at 11:02am
 
Well - I advised you to watch this space - don't let me influence your rigid and calcified views... let history do the job for you...
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Reply #17 - Aug 3rd, 2023 at 12:57pm
 
If the knife is only meant to be symbolic, then one made of Balsa wood would do, wouldn't it?

It could be primed and painted to look real. It's never going to be used for cutting, so it wouldn't make any difference

The sheath could be stitched up so the knife could never be removed and used as a fake knife for robbing a convenience store   



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Reply #18 - Aug 3rd, 2023 at 1:49pm
 
Around 43% in Oz are church goers and have bread and wine. They could be told to have chips and orange juice.
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Reply #19 - Aug 3rd, 2023 at 5:15pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Aug 3rd, 2023 at 8:10am:
What about ISIS kids -

will they be able to carry an AK-47  ?


Grin Grin Grin

I should not laugh. There are already people who think the law does not apply to them because they belong to a certain religion.
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Reply #20 - Aug 3rd, 2023 at 7:01pm
 
mothra wrote on Aug 3rd, 2023 at 10:36am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 3rd, 2023 at 10:26am:
chimera wrote on Aug 3rd, 2023 at 8:37am:
Gnads wrote on Aug 3rd, 2023 at 7:24am:
The Court of Appeal judgment stated the kirpan “comes in a variety of different shapes, sizes and degrees of sharpness/bluntness”.



'In NSW, A baptised Sikh student may wear a Kirpan at school provided:

it is of a small size, full length of 16.5cm (around 6.5 inches) or less, with no sharp edges or points;
the blade is secured within the sheath so that it cannot be withdrawn, and
it is worn under clothes and secured so it cannot be used.'
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Hockey sticks and cricket bats are checked for sharp edges but football violence is gang warfare.




Well - what a relief - only 6.5 inches long - enough to penetrate heart and come out near spine... good to know our 'courts' are on the ball again.....

If it has a blade someone will find a way to get it out and use it.... watch this space.



And it has no point and is to be carried in a nigh on impenetrable sheath under several layers of clothing.

But don't let me get in the way of you all becoming hysterical.

What would Pauline say!?


Are you drunk you fat idiot? Did you just knock yourself out with your fat bingo wings?

Teen charged after student stabbed at western Sydney school


https://www.9news.com.au/national/western-sydney-teenage-boy-stabbed-another-arr...
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Reply #21 - Aug 3rd, 2023 at 7:02pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Aug 3rd, 2023 at 12:57pm:
If the knife is only meant to be symbolic, then one made of Balsa wood would do, wouldn't it?

It could be primed and painted to look real. It's never going to be used for cutting, so it wouldn't make any difference

The sheath could be stitched up so the knife could never be removed and used as a fake knife for robbing a convenience store   





Give them one of these.
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Reply #22 - Aug 3rd, 2023 at 7:15pm
 
Gordon wrote on Aug 3rd, 2023 at 7:01pm:
Teen charged after student stabbed at western Sydney school


It says ' an ornamental-style knife '.
Look that up on google. Get the point?
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Reply #23 - Aug 3rd, 2023 at 7:23pm
 
chimera wrote on Aug 3rd, 2023 at 7:15pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 3rd, 2023 at 7:01pm:
Teen charged after student stabbed at western Sydney school


It says ' an ornamental-style knife '.
Look that up on google. Get the point?


The person who was stabbed got the point?

Funny how sky daddy views are supported when the holder of the views are dark skinned Smiley
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Reply #24 - Aug 3rd, 2023 at 8:22pm
 
Yes. There was a knife. It had a point. The point injured the boy.
There was a knife. It had no point. The knife is not injuring people as it has no point. It is un-pointed. There are two knives. They are different. They are not the same. That's the point.
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Reply #25 - Aug 4th, 2023 at 9:52am
 
mothra wrote on Aug 3rd, 2023 at 9:50am:
Gnads wrote on Aug 3rd, 2023 at 9:45am:
mothra wrote on Aug 3rd, 2023 at 9:34am:
Gnads wrote on Aug 3rd, 2023 at 8:51am:
chimera wrote on Aug 3rd, 2023 at 8:37am:
Gnads wrote on Aug 3rd, 2023 at 7:24am:
The Court of Appeal judgment stated the kirpan “comes in a variety of different shapes, sizes and degrees of sharpness/bluntness”.



'In NSW, A baptised Sikh student may wear a Kirpan at school provided:

it is of a small size, full length of 16.5cm (around 6.5 inches) or less, with no sharp edges or points;
the blade is secured within the sheath so that it cannot be withdrawn, and
it is worn under clothes and secured so it cannot be used.'
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Hockey sticks and cricket bats are checked for sharp edges but football violence is gang warfare.



So you tell me what knives don't have a point?

And how is it secured in a sheath that it cannot be withdrawn?

The whole concept of a Kirpan is it is worn so a Sikh man can protect his family.

And what is the relevance of gang warfare to supposed law abiding religious minorities?

Gangs also use fire arms ... as the drive by gangland shootings in Sydney attest.

Where's the religious connotation to that?




Just, wow.



Care to extrapolate?

I'm sure it will be good.

So you condone knives being allowed to be carried by some & not others?

I believe if the laws say "no knives" it applies to everyone .... religious custom has no exemption.


The courts disagree with you , Gonads.

And that, of course, is after being presented with all of the information ... as opposed to your rather hysterical OP.


It is far from hysterical to say that a High Court decision in this matter is in fact discriminating against the majority.


It is against the law to carry knives in public and on especially on school premises for everyone else except for Sikhs.

Who have been proven to use their religious knives as weapons in the recent past.

Are you deliberately that deprived of reason or judgement that you can't or won't see that?

That part of the Sikh religion is not suited to the laws of the land & should not outweigh the law.

Lest the law be repealed for all.

It's wrong .... & so are you.
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Reply #26 - Aug 4th, 2023 at 10:20am
 
Do these knives possess a cutting edge?  What Sikh would accept a blunt knife with no point... there'd be..... no point to it.... it's 'ceremonial' but was originally a weapon of last resort in case of ambush or attempted assassination or robbery etc... at a time when a wise man went armed.....

It has no place in modern civilised society, and saying it is ceremonial is nonsense.

Should Italians be entitled to wear a gladius or Japanese a Samurai sword? An American a Colt .45 Peacemaker? Viking stock an axe or spear?  Aborigines a nullah-nullah to school?
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Reply #27 - Aug 4th, 2023 at 10:22am
 
mothra wrote on Aug 3rd, 2023 at 10:36am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 3rd, 2023 at 10:26am:
chimera wrote on Aug 3rd, 2023 at 8:37am:
Gnads wrote on Aug 3rd, 2023 at 7:24am:
The Court of Appeal judgment stated the kirpan “comes in a variety of different shapes, sizes and degrees of sharpness/bluntness”.



'In NSW, A baptised Sikh student may wear a Kirpan at school provided:

it is of a small size, full length of 16.5cm (around 6.5 inches) or less, with no sharp edges or points;
the blade is secured within the sheath so that it cannot be withdrawn, and
it is worn under clothes and secured so it cannot be used.'
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Hockey sticks and cricket bats are checked for sharp edges but football violence is gang warfare.




Well - what a relief - only 6.5 inches long - enough to penetrate heart and come out near spine... good to know our 'courts' are on the ball again.....

If it has a blade someone will find a way to get it out and use it.... watch this space.



And it has no point and is to be carried in a nigh on impenetrable sheath under several layers of clothing.

But don't let me get in the way of you all becoming hysterical.

What would Pauline say!?


Prove it.

There is not one photo of a secure kirpan in any of these hundreds of images.

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=kirpan+&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwjiuN_G2cGAAxXEmmM...

It's a complete nonsense for you to say that a knife has "no point".

If it has no point it is not a kirpan/knife.

These letters to the Editor addresses the stupidity of the High Court in ruling to invalidate a law preventing them being worn in public or at schools.

A knife is a knife.

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Knife call concerning

It is concerning that Sikhs in Queensland, including children, are to be allowed to carry concealed sharpened knives in the name of religion.

These Sikhs are armed in public and for the Court of Appeal to say this is permitted because of their religion is not OK.

If that is the law it needs to be changed.

Religious beliefs should not take priority over the law.

Isn’t this discrimination against other Queenslanders who wish to carry a concealed knife but would be arrested if they did?

There is a big difference between a religious belief requiring someone to cover their head and a belief which says you must carry a knife.

Anyone coming to Australia whose religious beliefs have some aspects that are against the law need to accept that there are some parts of their beliefs they cannot have and choose whether they still want to stay here.
Jenny Weir, Ferny Hills


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When are the authorities at any level going to understand that the basic right of all Australians is to be equal in the eyes of the law.

This also requires those citizens to obey the law.

Why are Sikhs going to be able to have knives in school?

There was great consternation when the citizenship test was going to carry questions like, “Who was Don Bradman?” etc.

The question needs to be short and simple, “Do you realise you are required to obey the laws of the country?”

Along with that your religious beliefs should not override the country’s laws.

You may wear whatever hats you like; pray to any point of the compass you feel like and have your own places of worship as part of your religious freedoms.

But that does not give you rights to usurp the laws of the country.

The appeal authorities and courts etc need to understand this.

They are contributing to discrimination.

When people get used to preferential treatment, equal treatment seems like discrimination.

Peter Still, Glenore Grove


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Legislation banning the carrying of knives (in schools or elsewhere) is not racially discriminatory against Sikhs or any other particular groups.

On the other hand the overturning of the ban by Queensland’s highest court is discriminatory because it introduces special rules for special people.

Apart from opening Pandora’s box, Sikhs and all other migrants, such as me, voluntarily chose to migrate to this wonderful, welcoming land.

If any person or group finds the common laws meant for all to be against their tenets, they have chosen the wrong country to migrate to.

Is this issue any different from that of a woman of any strongly patriarchal religion wanting to enter a bank or go through airport passport control or security without raising her veil and disclosing her identity?

Just practise your religion as you like, in your own home.

There are no restrictions on this.

Kaiyomerz Sattha, Eight Mile Plains


Don't let me get in the way of you being an ideologue idiot Mothballs.
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Reply #28 - Aug 4th, 2023 at 10:25am
 
chimera wrote on Aug 3rd, 2023 at 1:49pm:
Around 43% in Oz are church goers and have bread and wine. They could be told to have chips and orange juice.


Irrelevant bs.

Since when have people been stabbed with communion wafers & wine?
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Reply #29 - Aug 4th, 2023 at 10:30am
 
chimera wrote on Aug 3rd, 2023 at 7:15pm:
Gordon wrote on Aug 3rd, 2023 at 7:01pm:
Teen charged after student stabbed at western Sydney school


It says ' an ornamental-style knife '.
Look that up on google. Get the point?


Why don't you you dickhead?

Ornamental knives still have blades & points & are capable of inflicting injury if used as the weapon they "symbolically" represent.

If you google "Kirpan" you will see out of the hundreds of images there is not one that isn't made of metal or doesn't have a blade & point.

Neither is there one shown to be secured & unremovable from it sheath.

You & 2 short planks have much in common.
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