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Re: High Profile Case in Toowoomba
Reply #105 - Oct 27^th, 2023 at 2:12pm

mothra wrote on Oct 27^th, 2023 at 10:31am:

Jasin wrote on Oct 27^th, 2023 at 10:29am:

mothra wrote on Oct 27^th, 2023 at 6:48am:

What always strikes me in these threads is how stridently the cause of innocence until found guilty applies ... unless it's to the women.

Them, you rip to pieces.

But alas, this will be lost you and you will maintain.

I hear that men in knitting classes suffer the same bias fate.
So what's your problem woman!? Huh

I know you think you're making sense but ....

...you are a sexist and so left in your bias, its extremism.
You hate men, that much is apparent here.

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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.

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Reply #106 - Oct 27^th, 2023 at 3:10pm

Aussie wrote on Oct 27^th, 2023 at 1:52pm:

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How is any woman 'being ripped to pieces' here? What is at question is why the name of an accused is published but the name of the accuser is not. Social niceties? 'Sensitivities' over the type of allegation? Who GAF who roots who these days? why should a woman receive special treatment over shagging? Bit outdated, even for you retards, don't you think?

Ah, I see. There is my problem. I never knew that rape was merely just a 'shag.'

My bad.

An accusation - not of rape - of an alleged form of sexual assault of not wearing a condom. Get with it, man... and you KNOW I was talking about sex in general and not rape, you idiot. If there is nothing shameful about sex or any person's sexual history, why is there any need to protect the accuser in a rape allegation? Grow up... lawyer, my arse.

You evade the issue again - why should a woman's name need be protected when there is no 'shame' etc attached to sex? Talk about outdated... and why is there any difference in treatment... give it a shot....

Your Higgins had no issue with going public ... good money ...

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Reply #107 - Oct 27^th, 2023 at 3:13pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 27^th, 2023 at 1:26pm:

Started a new poll:

Did Bruce put it in?

Not enough options - I have no idea.... I wasn't there with a camera, but clearly Aussie and mothra were... they've been stalking Bruce since the Higgins case just waiting for him to put a penis wrong... maybe they even set this up with a camera in the room just to catch Bruce out...

That, my son, is how preposterous their stated position is.... mothra whines about women being PUBLICLY ripped to pieces by being exposed over her stories - yet has no problem with any accused man being ripped to pieces on any accusation. Clearly mad as a hatter....

They wouldn't be allowed on any jury, that pair.

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Reply #108 - Oct 27^th, 2023 at 4:22pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 27^th, 2023 at 3:10pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 27^th, 2023 at 1:52pm:

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How is any woman 'being ripped to pieces' here? What is at question is why the name of an accused is published but the name of the accuser is not. Social niceties? 'Sensitivities' over the type of allegation? Who GAF who roots who these days? why should a woman receive special treatment over shagging? Bit outdated, even for you retards, don't you think?

Ah, I see. There is my problem. I never knew that rape was merely just a 'shag.'

My bad.

An accusation - not of rape - of an alleged form of sexual assault of not wearing a condom. Get with it, man... and you KNOW I was talking about sex in general and not rape, you idiot. If there is nothing shameful about sex or any person's sexual history, why is there any need to protect the accuser in a rape allegation? Grow up... lawyer, my arse.

You evade the issue again - why should a woman's name need be protected when there is no 'shame' etc attached to sex? Talk about outdated... and why is there any difference in treatment... give it a shot....

Your Higgins had no issue with going public ... good money ...

You are full of crap Grappler, and have a large forest nestling in a very obvious and ugly position on your shoulder. We all can see what you wrote.

Further, you well know that my position has always been a liking for how things were back in the day...no names until there has been a committal hearing at which the Court has found that a prima facie case exists. I do not favour naming an accused simply because some Copper has charged that person.

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Reply #109 - Oct 27^th, 2023 at 5:53pm

Look - we all know you're still bleeding over Higginsgate and over the Voice Disaster and your gross error in accusing me last night and are just thirsting for a shot at Bruce - that's three mistakes and one coming....

Stop twisting my words. You will make no headway trying that line.. I was talking about sex not having any 'sensitive' connotations nowadays - love it or leave it.. and the question remains - why is an accused's name and picture allowed to be published but not that of the accuser?

Because of the 'sensitive' nature of the accusation? She's already admitted they snorted coke and had consensual sex, what's to hide - then there arose morning after regret of some kind - ESPECIALLY once she found out it was Bruce who played the lead role in Enter The Dragon.

Oh - she recalls now in her few drinks and a snort or two of coke that he didn't wear a condom... that's as thin as Higgins, Aussie - and you know it. Even Higgins didn't make that claim.... and how would this sheila know about it unless coached?

You are reverting to a second childhood, son - get some help, and give it a rest. You won't do anything but annoy me and I will then annoy you - grow up.

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Reply #110 - Oct 27^th, 2023 at 6:07pm

We can all see for ourselves what you wrote Grappler.

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How is any woman 'being ripped to pieces' here? What is at question is why the name of an accused is published but the name of the accuser is not. Social niceties? 'Sensitivities' over the type of allegation? Who GAF who roots who these days? why should a woman receive special treatment over shagging? Bit outdated, even for you retards, don't you think?

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Reply #111 - Oct 27^th, 2023 at 6:16pm

Aussie wrote on Oct 27^th, 2023 at 6:07pm:

We can all see for ourselves what you wrote Grappler.

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How is any woman 'being ripped to pieces' here? What is at question is why the name of an accused is published but the name of the accuser is not. Social niceties? 'Sensitivities' over the type of allegation? Who GAF who roots who these days? why should a woman receive special treatment over shagging? Bit outdated, even for you retards, don't you think?

Cleared it up for yourself, dick-head - over shagging... plain English.... no mention of rape ... and it wasn't rape anyway.... sexual assault is not rape... get used to it....

Told you you'd make no headway with this nonsense.... don't let that stop you. Keep letting Higginsgate and Voicegate and Aussiegate fester in your mind ....... you lost on each one...

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Reply #112 - Oct 27^th, 2023 at 6:23pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 27^th, 2023 at 6:16pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 27^th, 2023 at 6:07pm:

We can all see for ourselves what you wrote Grappler.

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How is any woman 'being ripped to pieces' here? What is at question is why the name of an accused is published but the name of the accuser is not. Social niceties? 'Sensitivities' over the type of allegation? Who GAF who roots who these days? why should a woman receive special treatment over shagging? Bit outdated, even for you retards, don't you think?

Cleared it up for yourself, dick-head - over shagging... plain English.... no mention of rape ... and it wasn't rape anyway.... sexual assault is not rape... get used to it....

Told you you'd make no headway with this nonsense.... don't let that stop you. Keep letting Higginsgate and Voicegate and Aussiegate fester in your mind ....... you lost on each one...

So, a digital penetration is not rape, just sexual assault?

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Reply #113 - Oct 27^th, 2023 at 7:18pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 27^th, 2023 at 6:16pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 27^th, 2023 at 6:07pm:

We can all see for ourselves what you wrote Grappler.

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How is any woman 'being ripped to pieces' here? What is at question is why the name of an accused is published but the name of the accuser is not. Social niceties? 'Sensitivities' over the type of allegation? Who GAF who roots who these days? why should a woman receive special treatment over shagging? Bit outdated, even for you retards, don't you think?

Cleared it up for yourself, dick-head - over shagging... plain English.... no mention of rape ... and it wasn't rape anyway.... sexual assault is not rape... get used to it....

Told you you'd make no headway with this nonsense.... don't let that stop you. Keep letting Higginsgate and Voicegate and Aussiegate fester in your mind ....... you lost on each one...

"In Australia, rape is defined in gender-neutral terms as the penetration of the vagina, anus or mouth without consent. Although in some countries, like Scotland, rape is limited to penile penetration, in all Australian states and territories, it includes penetration with the use of any body part or object."

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Reply #114 - Oct 27^th, 2023 at 7:33pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 27^th, 2023 at 7:18pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 27^th, 2023 at 6:16pm:

Aussie wrote on Oct 27^th, 2023 at 6:07pm:

We can all see for ourselves what you wrote Grappler.

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How is any woman 'being ripped to pieces' here? What is at question is why the name of an accused is published but the name of the accuser is not. Social niceties? 'Sensitivities' over the type of allegation? Who GAF who roots who these days? why should a woman receive special treatment over shagging? Bit outdated, even for you retards, don't you think?

Cleared it up for yourself, dick-head - over shagging... plain English.... no mention of rape ... and it wasn't rape anyway.... sexual assault is not rape... get used to it....

Told you you'd make no headway with this nonsense.... don't let that stop you. Keep letting Higginsgate and Voicegate and Aussiegate fester in your mind ....... you lost on each one...

"In Australia, rape is defined in gender-neutral terms as the penetration of the vagina, anus or mouth without consent. Although in some countries, like Scotland, rape is limited to penile penetration, in all Australian states and territories, it includes penetration with the use of any body part or object."

Thank you for certifying what I said. Aussie is being churlish because he falsely accused me of altering his post last night, and he will not apologise though being shown over and over how he was wrong and the mistake in the link he posted was his from his own files... Lord Of The Files made a mistake. He tried to post one of his links over Bruce The Spruce Goose, and hit the wrong one.

I wonder what the story is behind that sheila accused of rape..... they're arguing over whether or not her name should be published and the cameras turned loose at her.... why? Is this... like... some special women's privilege? Or is it accused and accuser?

Clearly outdated interpretations such as the sanctity of womanhood have no place in modern jurisprudence, since all are equal and sexual history etc carry no burden of shame or assumption.... the woman in this one admitted to consensual sex - no biggie - happens every day across the world ... what's the deal?

Interesting questions arise.... what if this were a 'transwoman'?

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Reply #115 - Oct 27^th, 2023 at 8:35pm

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Thank you for certifying what I said. Aussie is being churlish because he falsely accused me of altering his post last night, and he will not apologise though being shown over and over how he was wrong and the mistake in the link he posted was his from his own files... Lord Of The Files made a mistake. He tried to post one of his links over Bruce The Spruce Goose, and hit the wrong one.

Look again at Post #71 and Post # 75. You quoted the wrong Post of mine, you quoted one I made on the 17th Ocyober which contained the OLD link which was about not naming Lehrmann.

Post # 71 contained the current link showing Lehrmanns name.

It was not a link from any 'file.'

My error was not immediately realising you had used an OLD post of mine made on the 17th October which contained the OLD news.

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Reply #116 - Oct 27^th, 2023 at 10:49pm

Gordon wrote on Oct 27^th, 2023 at 9:56am:

AusGeoff wrote on Oct 27^th, 2023 at 12:12am:

Aussie wrote on Oct 26^th, 2023 at 11:33pm:

...Gordon posted a Link up there ^^^^^ which sets out some of the facts, allegedly.

I checked Gordon's link, but couldn't find any "facts"
either confirming or denying the allegations made
against Lehrmann...

The pertinent bits.

After socialising and drinking with friends, she moved to a second venue, an adult entertainment venue called The Vault.

While attending that venue, police allege the woman drank more alcohol before meeting Mr Lehrmann, who introduced himself as “Bryce”.
Police further allege that the woman later agreed to get in a taxi with him to his friend’s house, where she got into bed with him and later fell asleep while kissing him.
The police will allege that Mr Lehrmann was not wearing a condom and told the woman they had sex numerous times, and that he had ejaculated inside of her, but that she had no recollections of this.
Police will allege the woman told Mr Lehrmann she needed to get the “morning after” pill and that he agreed to take her to a chemist.
The woman and the accused then left the property in a farm ute to attend a chemist.

After visiting the chemist, police allege she asked Mr Lehrmann take her home and he stopped off at McDonald’s on the way.

During the following week she exchanged messages with him on Snapchat, where she noticed his Snapchat name was BruceEmery. Emery is Mr Lehrmann’s middle name.

Woman claims she recognised Mr Lehrmann from Google search

It is further understood that police will allege the complainant was speaking to a friend’s mother about the Brittany Higgins case.

The complainant is alleged to have then conducted an internet search on her phone for “Brittany Higgins rapist”.

Allegations can’t transform into "facts" unless there's
supporting evidence. Stacking allegation upon allegation
simply means there're multiple allegations. It doesn't
mean one has the facts necessary to prove something true.

An allegation is a factual claim which has yet to be
proven. Indictments and other instruments accusing
a person of committing a crime contain allegations
prosecutors have the burden of proving true through
evidence presented at a trial.

Until the truth of the allegations is proven in court,
those allegations remain nothing more than
unproven claims. An allegation generally triggers
an investigation to identify and gather evidence that
may then prove it factually accurate.

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Re: High Profile Case in Toowoomba
Reply #117 - Oct 27^th, 2023 at 11:00pm

Aussie wrote on Oct 27^th, 2023 at 8:35pm:

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Thank you for certifying what I said. Aussie is being churlish because he falsely accused me of altering his post last night, and he will not apologise though being shown over and over how he was wrong and the mistake in the link he posted was his from his own files... Lord Of The Files made a mistake. He tried to post one of his links over Bruce The Spruce Goose, and hit the wrong one.

Look again at Post #71 and Post # 75. You quoted the wrong Post of mine, you quoted one I made on the 17th Ocyober which contained the OLD link which was about not naming Lehrmann.

Post # 71 contained the current link showing Lehrmanns name.

It was not a link from any 'file.'

My error was not immediately realising you had used an OLD post of mine made on the 17th October which contained the OLD news.

DUH - I responded to the LAST post that showed the link you posted - I don't read back more than a few, AS DO ALL OTHERS, WHICH IS WHY ARSEHOLES SEEK THE LAST WORD - go check yourself and STFU. You owe me an apology for alleging that I changed your post - don't try grasping to get out of it now. You've lost your credibility and are a liar and a churl.

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aquascoot Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 34839 Gender:	Re: High Profile Case in Toowoomba Reply #119 - Oct 28^th, 2023 at 7:19am Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 27^th, 2023 at 11:59pm: Why did it take her 6 weeks to call the police? it took e jean carol 35 years !!! and she only called police when her book needed publicity
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Yes 2 (66.7%) No 1 (33.3%) Total votes: 3 « Created by: Bobby. on: Oct 27^th, 2023 at 1:26pm »