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Reply #180 - Jun 19^th, 2024 at 8:25am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 19^th, 2024 at 6:26am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 18^th, 2024 at 8:42pm:

Gnads wrote on Jun 18^th, 2024 at 8:29pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 18^th, 2024 at 8:13pm:

What's the matter crappler, you've been crapping on about how he can only be found guilty in a court. Well sucked in to you since a judge in a court of law ruled he is guilty.

Or are you only pro courts when you agree with the ruling? I bet you're also a closet Trump supporter. After all, you like rapists. Cheesy

So why isn't he already in jail for the crime?

Because it wasn't a criminal trial

... and therefore he wasn't convicted and is therefore not legally a rapist.

Hea a rapist. Legally or not. A rapist. And you've done nothing but defend the snivelling little rapist from the beginning.

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Reply #181 - Jun 19^th, 2024 at 8:25am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 19^th, 2024 at 6:32am:

chimera wrote on Jun 18^th, 2024 at 8:17pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 18^th, 2024 at 8:07pm:

It's not 'true' because the judge in a civil matter asserts it to be so like some prosecutor and without compelling evidence -

In civil cases, the claim you are making is more probable than not. 51% is enough.

...and possibility as in this case - not probability - is not truth. It's a best guess and a personal opinion - an assertion rather than a proven fact.

Perhaps you could explain that 51% in Bruce's case then??? Lay out your 51% for us all including this 'judge'....

I'll start for you...... she makes an accusation days later without any solid evidence ... and remember - Bruce is your daughter here and the punishment is slow hanging .....

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Grappler, have you yet read Judge Lee's decision? (It is all laid out there beautifully.)

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Reply #183 - Jun 19^th, 2024 at 8:46am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 19^th, 2024 at 6:32am:

Perhaps you could explain that 51% in Bruce's case then???

Yes. There were two people, Bruce is 50% with 40% Abv whisky blood-alcohol = Brittany unconscious and legless and Bruce bought 100% of her moonshine. Bruce had more testosterone and she had no shoes.

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Reply #184 - Jun 19^th, 2024 at 8:50am

And because it was a civil case no conviction was recorded and he walked out a free man.

The same judge cast serious doubts on the credibility of the accused

Brittney and Lisa

It's important you note the accused was Britney and Lisa.

They were on trial not Bruce.

Regardless, this trial in Toowoomba may be interesting.

As this time Bruce is the accused and may finally be found guilty.

How does he rack up all these legal bills and still appear live a wealthy life?

Liberal party donors looking after him?

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Don’t vote for any of them. They just want your money!

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Reply #185 - Jun 19^th, 2024 at 12:29pm

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And because it was a civil case no conviction was recorded and he walked out a free man.

Duh.

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The same judge cast serious doubts on the credibility of the accused

There were no 'accused' in the sense the word is usually understood.

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Brittney and Lisa

It's important you note the accused was Britney and Lisa.

Higgins was not a party to the action. Wilkinson was, as a Defendant, not as an 'accused.'

The other Defendant was Ch. 10, also not an 'accused.'

Wilkinson and Ch 10 were claimed to have defamed Lehrmann. They pleaded a 'truth' defence. That is, what they allegedly asserted, ie that Lehrmann raped Higgins, was true.

The Judge found:

"Bruce Lehrmann raped Brittany Higgins."

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Reply #187 - Jun 19^th, 2024 at 4:22pm

chimera wrote on Jun 19^th, 2024 at 12:56pm:

on the balance of probabilities.

Indeed - and you have first to have a set of probabilities to balance...... one simple accusation without supporting evidence does not carry the day... guilt by accusation does not hold in our courts.

This 'judge' made an uneducated guess and an assertion without any real probability.... hence Bruce will win on appeal. This is remarkably similar to the first 'trial', which should never have gone to trial other than as a sop thrown to the baying crowd outside the doors of the court with their lynching ropes in their hands and flaming brands.... a cowardly move in all ways by those responsible for courts and law .... so someone organised that it would be derailed - and then.... surprise of surprises - that case was held in such high regard in terms of a possible guilty verdict that it was never resumed..... was never going to happen on the available 'evidence' - which was exclusively 'Elle Accuse!'

Show me what makes up this predominance of 'probability' in favour of the accuser in this 'civil' matter ...... lay it all out for us step by step.....

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Re: High Profile Case in Toowoomba
Reply #188 - Jun 19^th, 2024 at 4:27pm

Aussie wrote on Jun 19^th, 2024 at 12:29pm:

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And because it was a civil case no conviction was recorded and he walked out a free man.

Duh.

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The same judge cast serious doubts on the credibility of the accused

There were no 'accused' in the sense the word is usually understood.

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Brittney and Lisa

It's important you note the accused was Britney and Lisa.

Higgins was not a party to the action. Wilkinson was, as a Defendant, not as an 'accused.'

The other Defendant was Ch. 10, also not an 'accused.'

Wilkinson and Ch 10 were claimed to have defamed Lehrmann. They pleaded a 'truth' defence. That is, what they allegedly asserted, ie that Lehrmann raped Higgins, was true.

The Judge found

asserted without evidence let alone proof

: he could not make a legal finding on that 'evidence'.

"Bruce Lehrmann raped Brittany Higgins."

Where is the PROOF? Where the 'balance of probabilities'? Lay it out for us step by step and show the road to an inescapable conclusion ........................................ Grin

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11652 armidale Gender:	Re: High Profile Case in Toowoomba Reply #189 - Jun 19^th, 2024 at 4:35pm The judge like anyone can express the view of Brucie dun it. It's not a conviction, crime or even liability for herpes. Two drunk twits are very likely in it. No proof anyone is a twit.
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Re: High Profile Case in Toowoomba
Reply #190 - Jun 19^th, 2024 at 4:47pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 19^th, 2024 at 4:22pm:

chimera wrote on Jun 19^th, 2024 at 12:56pm:

on the balance of probabilities.

Indeed - and you have first to have a set of probabilities to balance...... one simple accusation without supporting evidence does not carry the day... guilt by accusation does not hold in our courts.

This 'judge' made an uneducated guess and an assertion without any real probability.... hence Bruce will win on appeal. This is remarkably similar to the first 'trial', which should never have gone to trial other than as a sop thrown to the baying crowd outside the doors of the court with their lynching ropes in their hands and flaming brands.... a cowardly move in all ways by those responsible for courts and law .... so someone organised that it would be derailed - and then.... surprise of surprises - that case was held in such high regard in terms of a possible guilty verdict that it was never resumed..... was never going to happen on the available 'evidence' - which was exclusively 'Elle Accuse!'

Show me what makes up this predominance of 'probability' in favour of the accuser in this 'civil' matter ...... lay it all out for us step by step.....

Right here.

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Re: High Profile Case in Toowoomba
Reply #191 - Jun 19^th, 2024 at 5:04pm

Aussie wrote on Jun 19^th, 2024 at 4:47pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 19^th, 2024 at 4:22pm:

chimera wrote on Jun 19^th, 2024 at 12:56pm:

on the balance of probabilities.

Indeed - and you have first to have a set of probabilities to balance...... one simple accusation without supporting evidence does not carry the day... guilt by accusation does not hold in our courts.

This 'judge' made an uneducated guess and an assertion without any real probability.... hence Bruce will win on appeal. This is remarkably similar to the first 'trial', which should never have gone to trial other than as a sop thrown to the baying crowd outside the doors of the court with their lynching ropes in their hands and flaming brands.... a cowardly move in all ways by those responsible for courts and law .... so someone organised that it would be derailed - and then.... surprise of surprises - that case was held in such high regard in terms of a possible guilty verdict that it was never resumed..... was never going to happen on the available 'evidence' - which was exclusively 'Elle Accuse!'

Show me what makes up this predominance of 'probability' in favour of the accuser in this 'civil' matter ...... lay it all out for us step by step.....

Right here.

Just lay it out point by point.... make it clear.... I'll start again...

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11652 armidale Gender:	Re: High Profile Case in Toowoomba Reply #192 - Jun 19^th, 2024 at 5:18pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 19^th, 2024 at 5:04pm: . she said 'Hi Bruce, How's it going.' 'Great' 'Good. Will you be at the bar?' 'Yep. Sure. I'm just posting to Ozpol' 'Aren't they just cool? I always read aquascoot and LTYC'. 'And Frank. He's a big hitter' 'Graps is nuts, but' 'Yeah' 'See yuh'.
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Re: High Profile Case in Toowoomba
Reply #193 - Jun 19^th, 2024 at 5:36pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 19^th, 2024 at 5:04pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 19^th, 2024 at 4:47pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 19^th, 2024 at 4:22pm:

chimera wrote on Jun 19^th, 2024 at 12:56pm:

on the balance of probabilities.

Indeed - and you have first to have a set of probabilities to balance...... one simple accusation without supporting evidence does not carry the day... guilt by accusation does not hold in our courts.

This 'judge' made an uneducated guess and an assertion without any real probability.... hence Bruce will win on appeal. This is remarkably similar to the first 'trial', which should never have gone to trial other than as a sop thrown to the baying crowd outside the doors of the court with their lynching ropes in their hands and flaming brands.... a cowardly move in all ways by those responsible for courts and law .... so someone organised that it would be derailed - and then.... surprise of surprises - that case was held in such high regard in terms of a possible guilty verdict that it was never resumed..... was never going to happen on the available 'evidence' - which was exclusively 'Elle Accuse!'

Show me what makes up this predominance of 'probability' in favour of the accuser in this 'civil' matter ...... lay it all out for us step by step.....

Right here.

Just lay it out point by point.... make it clear.... I'll start again...

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In 17 minutes, you have NOT read the Judgement where it is all set out .

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Re: High Profile Case in Toowoomba
Reply #194 - Jun 19^th, 2024 at 5:48pm

Aussie wrote on Jun 19^th, 2024 at 5:36pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 19^th, 2024 at 5:04pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 19^th, 2024 at 4:47pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 19^th, 2024 at 4:22pm:

chimera wrote on Jun 19^th, 2024 at 12:56pm:

on the balance of probabilities.

Indeed - and you have first to have a set of probabilities to balance...... one simple accusation without supporting evidence does not carry the day... guilt by accusation does not hold in our courts.

This 'judge' made an uneducated guess and an assertion without any real probability.... hence Bruce will win on appeal. This is remarkably similar to the first 'trial', which should never have gone to trial other than as a sop thrown to the baying crowd outside the doors of the court with their lynching ropes in their hands and flaming brands.... a cowardly move in all ways by those responsible for courts and law .... so someone organised that it would be derailed - and then.... surprise of surprises - that case was held in such high regard in terms of a possible guilty verdict that it was never resumed..... was never going to happen on the available 'evidence' - which was exclusively 'Elle Accuse!'

Show me what makes up this predominance of 'probability' in favour of the accuser in this 'civil' matter ...... lay it all out for us step by step.....

Right here.

Just lay it out point by point.... make it clear.... I'll start again...

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In 17 minutes, you have NOT read the Judgement where it is all set out .

I thought that you, knowing it all - could just cut to the chase and save us the trouble of reading that sludge... it's obvious that the 'judge' was dancing with himself.... all we need is the salient points - some of us have real things to do - but we know already what the 'evidence' amounted to in THAT allegation.

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Where is the compelling balance? In his mind? His incredible psychic powers? His ability to leap tall tales in a single bound? His inability to discern the difference between various witnesses who are all equally suspect?

Where are the issues that go into this 'balance'? In his head? Does he support trannies and unrestricted giving in to demands by specified groups? Is he a willing participant in the program to reduce true legal and social and economic rights for all eventually - starting with men with piggy eyes? Does he consider piggy eyes a clear sign of guilt? Does he consider hiding the payout in a 'trust' and vanishing it overseas to be signs of innocence and of guaranteed integrity in witness?

If all those appearing were suspicious - where is his balance? In his head.... ONLY!! He WANTED it that way... or even worse, was instructed to go that way..... by his political masters intent on their agenda .... chopping down first the legal rights of one group - then the rest.... remember Angela Davis? If they come for Bruce in the morning - they will come for Smith at night ... please make it so.... that would wake one hell of a lot of the Woke up... one at a time and go for the easy meat - the piggy guy with piggy eyes.... one at a time..... slowly but surely.....

Royal Commission into the judiciary and into jurisprudence required NOW!

Now let's move on to real issues - Bruce is clearly innocent and has been done a grievous wrong time and again .... so let's just keep that one on the books and move to this... when will those Gazan Enablers of Terrorism move to Gaza and help out?

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