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Re: High Profile Case in Toowoomba
Reply #255 - Jun 23rd, 2024 at 7:33pm
 
chimera wrote on Jun 23rd, 2024 at 7:24pm:
She was plonked because he paid for her to be.

'I'd at least find her a blanket before going home.'
Well there ya go.  Bruce and Grapps have different tastes.


Not from the cameras at the pub/club - he is shown buying her one drink.

Meanwhile:-

https://eji.org/issues/wrongful-convictions/

You are aware, of course, that I run Australia's Wrongfully Convicted?  In mine - unlike the US model, I make the clear distinction between mistaken allegation/accusation and malicious allegation/accusation.

At this stage I would consider Young Brittany's accusation as 'mistaken' since I cannot see her as a malicious person.... that it is distinctly possible that Bruce is the recipient of the outfall fallout from her unthought-out attempt to cover her own job.  In that case she should have stayed away from the media and not sought the limelight.

Jeffrey Robertson described the reaction of government when under apparent attack - he said it flailed around like a startled octopus without any thought for those it might harm.... it's not a big stretch to consider that Young Brittany would/could have done the same thing...... and once that statement of rape was made - it all got out of control and people are now harmed for life.

I know - let's wait on the Reynolds counter-case...... complete with witnesses present at the time and recordings..... if I were the Minister all such discussions would be recorded as a matter of policy, same as police body-cam - nobody gets out of jail free.  If you have a problem with that - don't work with me.  Cool
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Reply #256 - Jun 23rd, 2024 at 8:34pm
 
He bought a drink for her. The judge had witness statements.
If you have a problem with that - don't work with me.

'One of the most intriguing research nuggets to emerge: While male sexuality is fairly predictable — they tend to be aroused by naked women'. Did you know that?
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Reply #257 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 9:38am
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 23rd, 2024 at 5:33pm:
Aussie wrote on Jun 23rd, 2024 at 5:29pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 23rd, 2024 at 5:16pm:
The judgement in the defamation case Lehrmann had raised in court?


Matey.....it is the ONLY judgement in the matter of Lehrmann and Higgins.

There is no other.


Have you got a link? I am not sure where to look. All I have found is this: https://www.fedcourt.gov.au/services/access-to-files-and-transcripts/online-file...


This Thread would have been a good place to start!!!!!!!!!!

Link.
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Reply #258 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 9:53am
 
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So now the entire burden of proof relies totally on whether or not the accuser is 'unequivocally sure' long after the event and after extreme coaching


Not at all, there were many other facts established which went to satisfying the burden of proof.

You have not read the Judgement carefully or at all.

Within days, she had complained of being raped, not 'long after the event' at all.
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Reply #259 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 11:35am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 23rd, 2024 at 6:55pm:
he has his way leaving no marks or stains etc, there is nothing on him detected when he arrives back home, no test is done,

And there was a spot on the couch, girl friend detected something, tests proved they had sex attachments. Aha, guilty as proved!
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Reply #260 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 12:55pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jun 24th, 2024 at 9:53am:
Grappler:

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So now the entire burden of proof relies totally on whether or not the accuser is 'unequivocally sure' long after the event and after extreme coaching


Not at all, there were many other facts established which went to satisfying the burden of proof.

You have not read the Judgement carefully or at all.

Within days, she had complained of being raped, not 'long after the event' at all.


'facts'? 

She first complained of rape when interviewed over her presence in the building early on a Saturday morning... that was days later ... and felt her job was under threat - a belief she persisted with despite apparently kind treatment.  Convenience rape accusation.

There were security people present to make an immediate complaint to on waking.... the security staff at the time noted no signs of sex .... blind and noseless .... they noted two different stages of undress when the bloke was nowhere in sight having left hours earlier (tooth fairy?)  ... there were telephones ....  and the list goes on and on... she destroyed potential evidence ... she was less than forthcoming with the truth ... those are all facts ....

Clearly your 'judge' chose to only see 'facts' he wanted to see.... highly preferentially .... clearly you have become obsessed with this to the point where you refuse facts and prefer assertions, the same as he did.

His 'additional facts' are assumptions, suppositions, assertions, follow-on accusations, and other forms of non-proven and non-provable evidence.  He CHOSE to see what he wanted to see in a totally biased way.

Of course, no lawyer can go into an appeal and say that!!  Which shows how very bad our 'jurisprudence' system is.... when simple truths cannot be told for fear of adverse reaction... a 'judge' no matter how flawed, is above criticism in an appeal.... but subject to vilification in public by the baying crowds if/when he makes the 'wrong' decision.

If this weak-cocked guy had made the proper decision - that there was insufficient evidence to say anything - and that Bruce was clearly punished without merit as a result - the outcry in the media and in the baying crowd would have been immense.  So a man suffers for life as a result of cowardice on the bench..... and the accuser is rewarded with millions and heroic status .....

Now then - why do you think he was so right when he was clearly so wrong?


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Reply #261 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 12:58pm
 
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Reply #262 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 12:59pm
 
How would a rape complaint help keep her job? Was she suggesting he dragged her by the hair through the security gate?
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Reply #263 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 1:43pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 24th, 2024 at 12:55pm:
Aussie wrote on Jun 24th, 2024 at 9:53am:
Grappler:

Quote:
So now the entire burden of proof relies totally on whether or not the accuser is 'unequivocally sure' long after the event and after extreme coaching


Not at all, there were many other facts established which went to satisfying the burden of proof.

You have not read the Judgement carefully or at all.

Within days, she had complained of being raped, not 'long after the event' at all.


'facts'? 

She first complained of rape when interviewed over her presence in the building early on a Saturday morning... that was days later ... and felt her job was under threat - a belief she persisted with despite apparently kind treatment.  Convenience rape accusation.

There were security people present to make an immediate complaint to on waking.... the security staff at the time noted no signs of sex .... blind and noseless .... they noted two different stages of undress when the bloke was nowhere in sight having left hours earlier (tooth fairy?)  ... there were telephones ....  and the list goes on and on... she destroyed potential evidence ... she was less than forthcoming with the truth ... those are all facts ....

Clearly your 'judge' chose to only see 'facts' he wanted to see.... highly preferentially .... clearly you have become obsessed with this to the point where you refuse facts and prefer assertions, the same as he did.

His 'additional facts' are assumptions, suppositions, assertions, follow-on accusations, and other forms of non-proven and non-provable evidence.  He CHOSE to see what he wanted to see in a totally biased way.

Of course, no lawyer can go into an appeal and say that!!  Which shows how very bad our 'jurisprudence' system is.... when simple truths cannot be told for fear of adverse reaction... a 'judge' no matter how flawed, is above criticism in an appeal.... but subject to vilification in public by the baying crowds if/when he makes the 'wrong' decision.

If this weak-cocked guy had made the proper decision - that there was insufficient evidence to say anything - and that Bruce was clearly punished without merit as a result - the outcry in the media and in the baying crowd would have been immense.  So a man suffers for life as a result of cowardice on the bench..... and the accuser is rewarded with millions and heroic status .....

Now then - why do you think he was so right when he was clearly so wrong?




No, a 'man' suffers because he 'raped Brittany Higgins.'

Grappler, do you think he screwed her in that Suite that night? 

Do you think he took here there, pissed, to get the keys to his flat (where his girlfriend was and she could have let him in?) 

Do you think he took here there, pissed, to make some notes (not produced at Trial) about a conversation (no evidence at Trial from the other person in the conversation) about submarines to brief the Minister for a QT which was not due for weeks?

Do you think he took here there, pissed, to share some whiskey he did have there?
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Reply #264 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 1:45pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 24th, 2024 at 12:58pm:


A far more useful timeline (for you) would be one setting out the events of that fateful night.
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Reply #265 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 1:59pm
 
They came
They did something that nobody knows of
She was left sleeping on the couch
He went home
Days later she said he'd raped her

Not much more of a timeline involved.

The judge was wrong, having no facts to base anything on - only assumption.....

He KNEW that when feeding the ravening crowd at the door with their pitch forks, flaming brands and lynching ropes - and he set Bruce up to win on appeal.

There is no room for poltroons, cowards and such on the bench... there is no concept of 'playing Solomon' when someone's life is at stake.
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Reply #266 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 2:09pm
 
In the Higgins (non) matter I hold no brief for either party... they went there for some reason - an OPINION only is that they went there to try on the 'Mile High Club' of a shag in the minister's office.  I would suggest from the security actions, including the response from the senior called for advice, that such things were not uncommon.  Whether or not any such thing took place NOBODY KNOWS!

Was shagging in the minister's office or similar cause for sacking?  Not in Canberra ...... there'd be nobody left....

Clearly the minister chose to sack the man (what a surprise) and coddle the angel - sorry - woman... thus certifying that even she can persist with the false belief in the 21st Century that a man is always culpable and a woman an angel with no real responsibility for doing anything wrong...

.... many here argue - and probably rightly .. that coddling the Aborigines is the primary cause of many of them living in squalor and crime and violence etc... they say that not demanding and expecting personal responsibility means they will never NOT behave as children.... the same can be said of modern women.

If you want to be equal - ACT LIKE IT!  AND ACCEPT THE BURDENS OF EQUALITY, EQUAL TREATMENT AND EQUAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS.
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Reply #267 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 2:14pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jun 24th, 2024 at 9:38am:


Thank you for the link. However, it is difficult to thoroughly search for that, when you have to scroll through pages of nonsense and sort through quote boxes inside of quote boxes to find the link, even if it was only 4 pages back.
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At this stage...
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Reply #268 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 2:14pm
 
'Network Ten’s barrister, Matt Collins KC, played extensive CCTV footage to the court which showed Higgins and Lehrmann socialising and drinking on a Friday night after work with other parliamentary staffers.
The court heard the footage showed Higgins had consumed six spirit-based drinks in the Canberra bar, two of which were bought for her by Lehrmann.'

The girl dropped her shoes and panties and lay down naked as did all the other pollies and drunks.  There was no raping, let's face it, who likes nude flesh anyway?
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Reply #269 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 2:15pm
 
Now to the Toowoomba Fa4rce:-

Sheila picks up a bloke, willingly heads off to the sack with (let's call him Deuce)  ... despite national coverage she doesn't even know who he is.... three weeks later, on identifying him as Deuce, she decides that he must have raped her.

Now then......... let's hear it from the monkey gallery again.... the bonobos....
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