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Reply #271 - Jun 24^th, 2024 at 2:27pm

chimera wrote on Jun 24^th, 2024 at 2:14pm:

'Network Ten’s barrister, Matt Collins KC, played extensive CCTV footage to the court which showed Higgins and Lehrmann socialising and drinking on a Friday night after work with other parliamentary staffers.
The court heard the footage showed Higgins had consumed six spirit-based drinks in the Canberra bar, two of which were bought for her by Lehrmann.'

The girl dropped her shoes and panties and lay down naked as did all the other pollies and drunks. There was no raping, let's face it, who likes nude flesh anyway?

She threw back six that they could see - and two of those were bought by Bruce. Was it a shout? Did he buy a drink for anyone else? Did she sneak any more? Did anyone else buy her a drink? Who paid for the other four drinks seen?

According to herself she wore no panties on that night... Canberra Summer time... fair enough, otherwise it's Eskimo time...

Security person - couple of hours after Bruce left, saw her on couch with dress pulled up and no panties.... (and?????) ... second 'check', apparently a quick look from the door as usual with a Mile High assignation, no 'sniff test' or anything for sexual engagement etc (which is rape if she is drunk, under ACT law) couple of hours later again and she was 'naked' according to signed statement.

The tooth fairy removed her clothing.... so - if she removed her own clothing in full at some time in the interim between 'checks' (again - does she sleep naked so it was 'normal'?) .... what possible bearing does her state of dress have on anything?

Yet the 'judge' relies entirely on one thing to say 'he was so overcome with lust that he was going to have his way even when there is no evidence that he did!'... not one shred of substantial evidence.

This is a travesty. I'll bet countless 'fellow judges' - a highly suspect lot - are ribbing Lee unmercifully over a glass of whiskey at their private club over that one!! And talking behind his wimpy back about it.....

All Bruce needs at this appeal is a genuine Judge to do his job.... for the pain this has caused... he should be paid millions.

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Re: High Profile Case in Toowoomba
Reply #272 - Jun 24^th, 2024 at 2:31pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 24^th, 2024 at 1:59pm:

They came
They did something that nobody knows of
She was left sleeping on the couch
He went home
Days later she said he'd raped her

Not much more of a timeline involved.

The judge was wrong, having no facts to base anything on - only assumption.....

He KNEW that when feeding the ravening crowd at the door with their pitch forks, flaming brands and lynching ropes - and he set Bruce up to win on appeal.

There is no room for poltroons, cowards and such on the bench... there is no concept of 'playing Solomon' when someone's life is at stake.

Grappler, when it comes to making decisions in Court Rooms, people are expected to bring their common sense, every day life experience with them, and when they must make that decision, they make it based on what they have seen as evidence, and then even draw logical inferences (if necessary) to arrive at a decision.

If I am asleep at night at 2.30 am, and I hear loud water noises on my tiled roof, should I conclude it is raining or that my neighbour is out there with his hose washing down my roof?

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Re: High Profile Case in Toowoomba
Reply #273 - Jun 24^th, 2024 at 2:36pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 24^th, 2024 at 2:27pm:

no 'sniff test' or anything for sexual engagement etc (which is rape if she is drunk, under ACT law)

The Parliament Mother Superior only requires a quick prayer and vow of chastity. Sniffing the Bartholin gland is not for everyone. Drunks are permitted sex with Police Warrant and Wipes.

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Reply #274 - Jun 24^th, 2024 at 2:36pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 24^th, 2024 at 2:27pm:

chimera wrote on Jun 24^th, 2024 at 2:14pm:

'Network Ten’s barrister, Matt Collins KC, played extensive CCTV footage to the court which showed Higgins and Lehrmann socialising and drinking on a Friday night after work with other parliamentary staffers.
The court heard the footage showed Higgins had consumed six spirit-based drinks in the Canberra bar, two of which were bought for her by Lehrmann.'

The girl dropped her shoes and panties and lay down naked as did all the other pollies and drunks. There was no raping, let's face it, who likes nude flesh anyway?

She threw back six that they could see - and two of those were bought by Bruce. Was it a shout? Did he buy a drink for anyone else? Did she sneak any more? Did anyone else buy her a drink? Who paid for the other four drinks seen?

According to herself she wore no panties on that night... Canberra Summer time... fair enough, otherwise it's Eskimo time...

Security person - couple of hours after Bruce left, saw her on couch with dress pulled up and no panties.... (and?????) ... second 'check', apparently a quick look from the door as usual with a Mile High assignation, no 'sniff test' or anything for sexual engagement etc (which is rape if she is drunk, under ACT law) couple of hours later again and she was 'naked' according to signed statement.

The tooth fairy removed her clothing.... so - if she removed her own clothing in full at some time in the interim between 'checks' (again - does she sleep naked so it was 'normal'?) .... what possible bearing does her state of dress have on anything?

Yet the 'judge' relies entirely on one thing to say 'he was so overcome with lust that he was going to have his way even when there is no evidence that he did!'... not one shred of substantial evidence.

This is a travesty. I'll bet countless 'fellow judges' - a highly suspect lot - are ribbing Lee unmercifully over a glass of whiskey at their private club over that one!! And talking behind his wimpy back about it.....

All Bruce needs at this appeal is a genuine Judge to do his job.... for the pain this has caused... he should be paid millions.

Just bizarre.

Grappler, can you slowly walk though a crowded long queue, sniffing, and then tell me which of those you sniffed had just had a root?

You are off the Planet with this cave man rubbish.

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Re: High Profile Case in Toowoomba
Reply #275 - Jun 24^th, 2024 at 2:46pm

chimera wrote on Jun 24^th, 2024 at 2:19pm:

Can't be him. He just uses naked women to help concentrate on Minister's letters.

that's right!!

According to the security staff she was fully dressed on first check two hours after Deuce left, panties none and dress pulled up but no smell of raunch... no clear signs of shagging ..... two hours later she was stark naked..... next morning she leaves without a word of complaint.... the cleaning crew come in and steam clean the couch ......... remove the dead bodies and such ... steep them in acid and cement shoe them into Lake Burley Griffin...

So the security staff removed her clothing while they were not there? Tooth fairy? Feat of magic? Emperor's New Clothes? Fairy Godmother after three AM and she turns back into a naked woman, the footmen turn back into mice and the coach into a pumpkin? The Invisible Man came in and took all her clothes off her?

Nah - 'Deuce was so overcome with his lust that he had to have his way' - the Myth of The Ultra-Predatory Man comes into play to cover all the lacks in the story.

This is utter bullshit.

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Re: High Profile Case in Toowoomba
Reply #276 - Jun 24^th, 2024 at 2:50pm

Aussie wrote on Jun 24^th, 2024 at 2:36pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 24^th, 2024 at 2:27pm:

chimera wrote on Jun 24^th, 2024 at 2:14pm:

'Network Ten’s barrister, Matt Collins KC, played extensive CCTV footage to the court which showed Higgins and Lehrmann socialising and drinking on a Friday night after work with other parliamentary staffers.
The court heard the footage showed Higgins had consumed six spirit-based drinks in the Canberra bar, two of which were bought for her by Lehrmann.'

The girl dropped her shoes and panties and lay down naked as did all the other pollies and drunks. There was no raping, let's face it, who likes nude flesh anyway?

She threw back six that they could see - and two of those were bought by Bruce. Was it a shout? Did he buy a drink for anyone else? Did she sneak any more? Did anyone else buy her a drink? Who paid for the other four drinks seen?

According to herself she wore no panties on that night... Canberra Summer time... fair enough, otherwise it's Eskimo time...

Security person - couple of hours after Bruce left, saw her on couch with dress pulled up and no panties.... (and?????) ... second 'check', apparently a quick look from the door as usual with a Mile High assignation, no 'sniff test' or anything for sexual engagement etc (which is rape if she is drunk, under ACT law) couple of hours later again and she was 'naked' according to signed statement.

The tooth fairy removed her clothing.... so - if she removed her own clothing in full at some time in the interim between 'checks' (again - does she sleep naked so it was 'normal'?) .... what possible bearing does her state of dress have on anything?

Yet the 'judge' relies entirely on one thing to say 'he was so overcome with lust that he was going to have his way even when there is no evidence that he did!'... not one shred of substantial evidence.

This is a travesty. I'll bet countless 'fellow judges' - a highly suspect lot - are ribbing Lee unmercifully over a glass of whiskey at their private club over that one!! And talking behind his wimpy back about it.....

All Bruce needs at this appeal is a genuine Judge to do his job.... for the pain this has caused... he should be paid millions.

Just bizarre.

Grappler, can you slowly walk though a crowded long queue, sniffing, and then tell me which of those you sniffed had just had a root?

You are off the Planet with this cave man rubbish.

Oho! What 'crowd' are we talking about in Reynolds' office? There's only one person to be checked..... one sniff test.... don't tell me your sense of smell is that bad and you've never smelt raunch. 'Security' staff were women - women have a stronger sense of smell than men.... a security office should know that sex with a drunken woman is a crime under ACT law... so - what did 'security' think they were doing there or planning to do?

YOU are the one in the Cave Man times - bent on denying reality to suit ... aaaargh - it was magic... Thunder God!!

There was no substantial evidence that any sex had taken place.... stop trying to worm out of reality.

Wouldn't have been on trial if he hadn't done it, right? And of course the piggy eyes in public sealed that!!

"Bruce Lehrmann - you are hereby convicted of the social crime of being remarkably sexually unattractive, having a poor disposal of fat tissue around your body, and of having piggy eyes..... sentencing will take place on a date to be set.. just not on the same date as your date with the complainant."

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 83700 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: High Profile Case in Toowoomba Reply #277 - Jun 24^th, 2024 at 2:57pm Nah then - that 'case' in Toowoomba....... let's just call him Deuce ....
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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 24565 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: High Profile Case in Toowoomba Reply #278 - Jun 24^th, 2024 at 2:59pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 24^th, 2024 at 2:57pm: Nah then - that 'case' in Toowoomba....... let's just call him Deuce .... "Deuce Bigalow - male gigolo". But, he left the office without getting paid.
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Re: High Profile Case in Toowoomba
Reply #279 - Jun 24^th, 2024 at 3:09pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 24^th, 2024 at 2:59pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 24^th, 2024 at 2:57pm:

Nah then - that 'case' in Toowoomba....... let's just call him Deuce ....

"Deuce Bigalow - male gigolo". But, he left the office without getting paid.

I thought that was Deuce's problem half the time or more...

"Sack 'em all for shagging in the office and there'd be nobody left in Canberra!" ... well - working for the government that is .... now THERE is an idea!!

**Holds laughter in at the thought of Wee Johnnie copping a Monica under the desk...**

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Reply #281 - Jun 24^th, 2024 at 3:32pm

He did indeed - and any single one of those could be equally considered as the 'facts' of the matter. There are countless other probabilities.... as you well know... get your hand off it.

You're not getting anywhere - well - at least you've slid away from y6ou puny 'cave man' BS attempt... as if somehow by saying the chances are more that it didn't happen than it did is somehow back in the old days or something.... YOU are still trapped in the old days of assuming angels and demons.... you and Lee and a lot of other people need to grow up and fast before you destroy this country.

Aye - must be guilty! Person of standing in the community - in this case a preferred woman - said so!! Clearly he is just a wild man with no constraint!! Hang him....

Let me make this clear to you all now and forever - There Will Be No Guilt By Accusation In This Country - you keep your primitive Neo-Nazi approach to law to yourself.... ALL of you, sheilas and wimpy blokes alike!

Now then - Deuce has never been found guilty of any rape..... the opinion of a fool is meaningless... we all have our opinions - but not one shred of substantial evidence.

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Reply #282 - Jun 24^th, 2024 at 3:35pm

Aussie wrote on Jun 24^th, 2024 at 3:19pm:

Grappler:

Quote:

a security office should know that sex with a drunken woman is a crime under ACT law... so - what did 'security' think they were doing there or planning to do?

You tell me. Lehrmann offered three alternatives to shagging her. Which one do you reckon, using your 'sniff' test?

A proper check under the law would require at least a cursory examination at close range to see ... are you blind as well as dumb? there is no evidence that any sex took place ..... the security staff could have corrected that one way or the other with a proper check.

I don't have to decide which story holds - only the facts.... no substantial evidence of sex existed or exists. case not proven = here = not guilty. An unfounded assertion in a 'civil' matter has no relevance.

Not going to explain it to you again... get your hand off it.... YOU show me the proof positive.....

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Reply #283 - Jun 24^th, 2024 at 3:42pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 24^th, 2024 at 2:27pm:

She threw back six that they could see - and two of those were bought by Bruce. Was it a shout? Did he buy a drink for anyone else? Did she sneak any more? Did anyone else buy her a drink? Who paid for the other four drinks seen?

She followed little Brucie all the way down the corridors. He was typing and she was dripping fluids and fumes. Security had an alarm of the raunch detector on the Public Morality Informers Register. She said he said it wasn't his, who knows? It smells fishy, Grapps.

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Reply #284 - Jun 24^th, 2024 at 3:51pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 24^th, 2024 at 3:32pm:

He did indeed - and any single one of those could be equally considered as the 'facts' of the matter. There are countless other probabilities.... as you well know... get your hand off it.

You're not getting anywhere - well - at least you've slid away from y6ou puny 'cave man' BS attempt... as if somehow by saying the chances are more that it didn't happen than it did is somehow back in the old days or something.... YOU are still trapped in the old days of assuming angels and demons.... you and Lee and a lot of other people need to grow up and fast before you destroy this country.

Aye - must be guilty! Person of standing in the community - in this case a preferred woman - said so!! Clearly he is just a wild man with no constraint!! Hang him....

Let me make this clear to you all now and forever - There Will Be No Guilt By Accusation In This Country - you keep your primitive Neo-Nazi approach to law to yourself.... ALL of you, sheilas and wimpy blokes alike!

Now then - Deuce has never been found guilty of any rape..... the opinion of a fool is meaningless... we all have our opinions - but not one shred of substantial evidence.

When a bloke is accused of being in a place to screw a woman, and he offers THREE different reasons for being at the place where the screwing is alleged to have occurred, DENIES the obvious, the screwing of a woman to whom he was hormonally attracted, a woman he had plied with piss, taken HER to that place for no reason at all, leaves her there alone for no reason at all, and while he is there, he ignores many phone calls made to his mobile phone from his "Mrs" who is obviously ringing to ask, "Where the

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k are you Bruce," worried about his whereabouts, what do you conclude Grappler, when the woman says she was screwed by him there when his girlfriend made those calls.

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