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Reply #60 - Sep 29^th, 2023 at 6:01pm

Sound reasons given. But remember...this is merely a temporary order retaining the status quo until the impact of the new legislation is fully argued.

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Justice Peter Applegarth, in his three-page decision, said that without a temporary order the man's right to have a non-publication order argument heard and determined would be "an empty, theoretical or useless right".

It is the first high-profile test of the new law, which comes into effect just after 12am on Tuesday.

Justice Applegarth said that the man's legal team intends to apply for an order, under the new law, for his identity to remain suppressed, and it will do so as soon as practicable after the legislation comes into effect early Tuesday.

Under the previous legislation, identification of a person charged with rape was prohibited until they had gone through a committal hearing. That was scrapped on September 13 when the new laws went through parliament and came into effect on October 3.

Justice Applegarth said that without a temporary order today, media reports could identify the man any time after 12am on Tuesday.

"His statutory right to apply for an order … would be rendered nugatory and the application would have no utility," Justice Applegarth said.

The Queensland Police Service did not oppose an interim injunction. Justice Applegarth said it would be "contrary to the interests of justice" if the man was named before being given an opportunity to lodge an application.

"Without a temporary order today, the purpose of making the application would be defeated. The interests of justice, and the balance of convenience, are served by not rendering the statutory right that the applicant will gain early on Tuesday morning, an empty, theoretical or useless right," Justice Applegarth said.

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Reply #61 - Sep 29^th, 2023 at 11:39pm

Let's wait and see IF it's going to be argued.... the rights of the defendant at the time may hold sway.

Personally I think both accused and accuser should remain unnamed until the hearing is finished - and only revealed if a finding of guilty is made. Otherwise it stick to the defendant for life regardless of outcome and facts.

Queensland, of course, is happy to turn back the clocks to the Dark Ages under a Labor government...

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Reply #62 - Sep 30^th, 2023 at 1:25pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 29^th, 2023 at 11:39pm:

Let's wait and see IF it's going to be argued.... the rights of the defendant at the time may hold sway.

Personally I think both accused and accuser should remain unnamed until the hearing is finished - and only revealed if a finding of guilty is made. Otherwise it stick to the defendant for life regardless of outcome and facts.

Queensland, of course, is happy to turn back the clocks to the Dark Ages under a Labor government...

What do you mean..."If it is going to be argued?" If it isn't, under the new legislation, his name is fair game after the 3rd October.

And, you are happy to extend that to all cases involving all charges, not just sex offences?

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Reply #63 - Sep 30^th, 2023 at 7:28pm

Aussie wrote on Sep 30^th, 2023 at 1:25pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Sep 29^th, 2023 at 11:39pm:

Let's wait and see IF it's going to be argued.... the rights of the defendant at the time may hold sway.

Personally I think both accused and accuser should remain unnamed until the hearing is finished - and only revealed if a finding of guilty is made. Otherwise it stick to the defendant for life regardless of outcome and facts.

Queensland, of course, is happy to turn back the clocks to the Dark Ages under a Labor government...

What do you mean..."If it is going to be argued?" If it isn't, under the new legislation, his name is fair game after the 3rd October.

And, you are happy to extend that to all cases involving all charges, not just sex offences?

Now that you mention it - why not?

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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 85011 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: High Profile Case in Toowoomba Reply #64 - Oct 5^th, 2023 at 7:42pm "Soothsayer - the Ideas of October have come!" "Aye, Caesar - but not gone!" Where's Aussie.... hasn't done a Kat on us, has he? Let's just call him Bruce...
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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Breaking News - High Profile Case in Toowoomba Reply #65 - Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:21am https://au.yahoo.com/news/high-profile-rape-accused-keep-025100117.html
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Reply #66 - Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:04pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:21am:

https://au.yahoo.com/news/high-profile-rape-accused-keep-025100117.html

Thought that would happen ... if he had anonymity before the date, it would be a hard call to change that - it's only until the preliminary hearing or whatever when the allegations are laid out ... allegations are not facts.

Wondering how the call for phone records is going? Maybe a little message there about getting some of the lovely by creating a court case?

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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 85011 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: High Profile Case in Toowoomba Reply #67 - Oct 7^th, 2023 at 5:01pm Aussie's back - but he's only bitching about the voice... too scared to come here and take another hiding... E c i o v e h t T s n i a g a e t o v s a y s v o t e a g a i n s t t h e v o i c e
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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 85011 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: High Profile Case in Toowoomba Reply #68 - Oct 7^th, 2023 at 9:28pm Aussie? Aussie? Wake up, lad.. stay with me here... I'm working without a net .... or a name.... Let's just, for convenience, call him Bruce ....
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38812 Gender:	Re: High Profile Case in Toowoomba Reply #69 - Oct 17^th, 2023 at 7:24pm This is starting to sound very much like Humpty Trumpty and his bullshit. The bloke's Lawyers pissing off the Judge who gave them short shrift and an invitation to see you on the 26th October, 2023, with or without Hoare. Link.
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Reply #70 - Oct 20^th, 2023 at 8:07am

Aussie wrote on Oct 17^th, 2023 at 7:24pm:

This is starting to sound very much like Humpty Trumpty and his bullshit.

The bloke's Lawyers pissing off the Judge who gave them short shrift and an invitation to see you on the 26th October, 2023, with or without Hoare.

Link.

I must admit I was wondering why things were a bit too quiet on the Goose Front.

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Re: High Profile Case in Toowoomba
Reply #71 - Oct 26^th, 2023 at 4:40pm

Oh Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!

This can't be right!!!!

It is Bruce Lehrman, the bloke Grappler et al was anxious to exonerate and put the blame at the feet of some security breakdown and a drunken woman.

Gee.....I wonder if there is any similarity between the two cases?

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Poor widdle Bwucey...happy to parade himself on front of the national media, but becomes suicidal if he is named as an accused rapist, which is what he was (the Canberra 'rape' for which he was accused and never found not guilty of) when he peacocked around the TV channels.

Arsehole.

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philperth2010 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20493 Perth Gender:	Re: High Profile Case in Toowoomba Reply #72 - Oct 26^th, 2023 at 4:40pm Quote: Bruce Lehrmann named as man charged with alleged rape of woman in Toowoomba https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-26/bruce-lehrmann-toowoomba-court-rape-charg...
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Reply #73 - Oct 26^th, 2023 at 4:47pm

Aussie wrote on Oct 26^th, 2023 at 4:40pm:

Oh Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!

This can't be right!!!!

It is Bruce Lehrman, the bloke Grappler et al was anxious to exonerate and put the blame at the feet of some security breakdown and a drunken woman.

Gee.....I wonder if there is any similarity between the two cases?

Link.

Looks like we posted the same link at the same time Aussie....Were are the rape apologists who claim lehrmann is a saint and Brittney Higgins is a liar....Both worked for the Liberal Party???

Huh

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Reply #74 - Oct 26^th, 2023 at 5:33pm

Idiots - the two cases have nothing to do with one another .... and there WERE security lapses and zero evidence apart from a drunken tale afterwards, Higgins changed her story multiple times and made errors in 'recollection, and even made factually wrong statements to police - I was NEVER 'anxious to exonerate' anyone - I simply said there was no case... you are entering dementia, Aussie, and are telling lies.

Get a life.. you're no lawyer, Aussie - no lawyer would say what you just did - and pillperth is a nobody who has yet to show he understands one thing of the real world.

Back in your box...

P.S. Those same Fascists who considered that it was right to publicly name a defendant but not his accuser(s) are in the process of evicting a 93 yo demented man from his home of over 60 years so they can make way for a drop-off point for the local college.

You twits need to get your minds on some of the real issues taking place here today. Roll Eyes

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