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Aug 4th, 2023 at 1:26pm
 
This matter has been going on for most of this year currently in the Toowoomba Magistrates Court.

There was a recent appearance and a poo fight over a mobile phone.  Stuffed if I know the relevance of that given that it is alleged the victim and perp did not know each other until the time the offence was allegedly committed.

Next Court date is 9th August, 2023.

No brown paper bag of Uncanny's boiled lollies for guessing who the alleged perp is, ey!

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Reply #1 - Aug 4th, 2023 at 1:37pm
 
9 August 2023 is now marked in my diary

From your link :

High-profile rape accused seeks Queensland court order for woman’s phone records from six months prior to alleged offence

Prosecutors object to scope of request in Toowoomba magistrates court, asking why alleged victim’s old messages would be relevant.


A few observations :

1. Why is this same guy always referred to as a high profile person whenever he’s implicated in legal proceedings? Is that his official legal alias?

2. I think it would be interesting if the victim’s phone messages were obtained if only so as to confirm the messages which the high profile person has.

3. I personally would like to see this matter proceed to a full hearing.


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Reply #2 - Aug 4th, 2023 at 1:40pm
 
Here you go Aussie!!!

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Documents show other Lehrmann allegations

A man accused of raping Brittany Higgins in Parliament House was the subject of multiple sexual assault and harassment allegations, with other women reporting their own complaints after the political staffer's claim.

The reports which were previously kept under wraps by a court were on Friday made public along with Bruce Lehrmann's attempts to prevent his criminal trial going ahead.


Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

https://www.northweststar.com.au/story/8005770/documents-show-other-lehrmann-all...

https://www.jimboombatimes.com.au/story/7942256/court-hears-lehrmanns-conflictin...
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Reply #3 - Aug 4th, 2023 at 1:47pm
 
Aussie knows.

In fact I’m pretty sure he’s got a folder titled Bruce the Goose on his laptop.
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Reply #4 - Aug 4th, 2023 at 1:48pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Aug 4th, 2023 at 1:40pm:
Here you go Aussie!!!

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Documents show other Lehrmann allegations

A man accused of raping Brittany Higgins in Parliament House was the subject of multiple sexual assault and harassment allegations, with other women reporting their own complaints after the political staffer's claim.

The reports which were previously kept under wraps by a court were on Friday made public along with Bruce Lehrmann's attempts to prevent his criminal trial going ahead.


Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

https://www.northweststar.com.au/story/8005770/documents-show-other-lehrmann-all...

https://www.jimboombatimes.com.au/story/7942256/court-hears-lehrmanns-conflictin...


This incident I refer to occurred in Toowoomba, not Canberra, and so far as I know, is not in any way work related.  You links are not to the Toowoomba matter.


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Reply #5 - Aug 4th, 2023 at 1:51pm
 
Aussie wrote on Aug 4th, 2023 at 1:48pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Aug 4th, 2023 at 1:40pm:
Here you go Aussie!!!

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Documents show other Lehrmann allegations

A man accused of raping Brittany Higgins in Parliament House was the subject of multiple sexual assault and harassment allegations, with other women reporting their own complaints after the political staffer's claim.

The reports which were previously kept under wraps by a court were on Friday made public along with Bruce Lehrmann's attempts to prevent his criminal trial going ahead.


Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

https://www.northweststar.com.au/story/8005770/documents-show-other-lehrmann-all...

https://www.jimboombatimes.com.au/story/7942256/court-hears-lehrmanns-conflictin...


This incident I refer to occurred in Toowoomba, not Canberra, and so far as I know, is not in any way work related.  You links are not to the Toowoomba matter.




Lehrmann was born in Toowoomba and has resided there with his mother....The dates the allegations were made allign with the Toowoomba allegations....Coincidence you reacon???

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The man, who cannot be named, is charged with two counts of raping a young woman in Toowoomba in 2021


Huh Huh Huh

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Reply #6 - Aug 4th, 2023 at 2:42pm
 
Unless there are two guys with exactly the same name etc......

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Reply #7 - Aug 4th, 2023 at 5:21pm
 
Accusations are a dime a dozen - we must never fall into the trap of finding a person guilty on accusation because the accuser belongs to some specified social group.

If an Indigenous wishes to claim massacre, for instance, they'd best be ready with a heap of hard evidence.....
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Reply #8 - Aug 4th, 2023 at 5:36pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 4th, 2023 at 5:21pm:
Accusations are a dime a dozen - we must never fall into the trap of finding a person guilty on accusation because the accuser belongs to some specified social group.

If an Indigenous wishes to claim massacre, for instance, they'd best be ready with a heap of hard evidence.....


Your point, beyond the blindingly bleeding banal obvious?
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Reply #9 - Aug 4th, 2023 at 5:40pm
 
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Next Court date is 9th August, 2023.


Diaried. Thanks Aussie. ✅
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Reply #10 - Aug 6th, 2023 at 2:38pm
 
Where have all the Lehrmann defenders gone...'long time passing, where have all the Lehrmann's gone?'

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Reply #11 - Aug 6th, 2023 at 3:18pm
 
Busy elsewhere - and those are the defenders of truth - not of Lehrmann.

You call yourself a lawyer... second childhood, Aussie?

Is this the same guy or not?  Anyone?
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Reply #12 - Aug 6th, 2023 at 3:24pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 6th, 2023 at 3:18pm:
Busy elsewhere - and those are the defenders of truth - not of Lehrmann.

You call yourself a lawyer... second childhood, Aussie?

Is this the same guy or not?  Anyone?


Let's assume it is.  Then, what say ye Grappler?
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 6th, 2023 at 3:18pm:
1. Busy elsewhere - and those are the defenders of truth - not of Lehrmann.

2. Is this the same guy or not?  Anyone?


1. That’s right Grappler! All WE ever did was defend the truth AND the presumption of innocence until proven guilty which is what our legal system is based on. 

(So keep hammering that naughty Aussie guy...he deserves it 😂🤣😆)

2. It IS the same guy. 😩
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Reply #14 - Aug 6th, 2023 at 4:20pm
 
Aussie wrote on Aug 6th, 2023 at 2:38pm:
Where have all the Lehrmann defenders gone...'long time passing, where have all the Lehrmann's gone?'

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Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 6th, 2023 at 4:18pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 6th, 2023 at 3:18pm:
1. Busy elsewhere - and those are the defenders of truth - not of Lehrmann.

2. Is this the same guy or not?  Anyone?


1. That’s right Grappler! All WE ever did was defend the truth AND the presumption of innocence until proven guilty which is what our legal system is based on. 

(So keep hammering that naughty Aussie guy...he deserves it 😂🤣😆)

2. It IS the same guy. 😩


Is there evidence to show this?
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Reply #16 - Aug 6th, 2023 at 4:59pm
 
Do you know what a Law List is Grappler?  If so, how is your eyesight?
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Aussie wrote on Aug 6th, 2023 at 4:59pm:
Do you know what a Law List is Grappler?  If so, how is your eyesight?


Plenty of people with my name - is it the same guy?  How do you know?  Pretty simple......
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 6th, 2023 at 7:56pm:
Aussie wrote on Aug 6th, 2023 at 4:59pm:
Do you know what a Law List is Grappler?  If so, how is your eyesight?


Plenty of people with my name - is it the same guy?  How do you know?  Pretty simple......


The same very unusual second christian name?
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Reply #19 - Aug 7th, 2023 at 10:04am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 6th, 2023 at 7:56pm:
Aussie wrote on Aug 6th, 2023 at 4:59pm:
Do you know what a Law List is Grappler?  If so, how is your eyesight?


Plenty of people with my name - is it the same guy?  How do you know?  Pretty simple......


Grappler - it IS the same guy (he’s originally from Toowoomba).

Just diary this topic for Wednesday 9 August 2023.

Note : Aussie is pretty good at following up official Court Lists ESP in QLD (his home state).
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Reply #20 - Aug 7th, 2023 at 10:19am
 
Why would someone try to argue that it's not the same guy?

I mean, how deep does this bitterness and resentment go? Well into the land of delusion it would seem.
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mothra wrote on Aug 7th, 2023 at 10:19am:
Why would someone try to argue that it's not the same guy?

I mean, how deep does this bitterness and resentment go? Well into the land of delusion it would seem.


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Nobody's arguing any such thing - they are asking questions such as the simple one:-  "Is this the same guy?"  Nobody has yet shown conclusively that it is.

You are delusional.... thank god your condition excludes you from jury duty.
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...and on cue...the gaslighting.
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...and on cue...the gaslighting
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Reply #24 - Aug 7th, 2023 at 1:53pm
 
Those defending Bruce Lehrmann???

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Second woman comes forward alleging she was sexually assaulted by same perpetrator as Brittany Higgins


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-20/second-alleged-rape-victim-comes-forward-...

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Third woman alleges she was sexually assaulted by the same man accused of raping Brittany Higgins


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-22/third-woman-alleges-sexual-assault-same-m...

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Reply #25 - Aug 7th, 2023 at 1:56pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 7th, 2023 at 10:41am:
mothra wrote on Aug 7th, 2023 at 10:19am:
Why would someone try to argue that it's not the same guy?

I mean, how deep does this bitterness and resentment go? Well into the land of delusion it would seem.


https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExejRjdjA2aGxqbnozbjV4a2xwNmF1cm...


Nobody's arguing any such thing - they are asking questions such as the simple one:-  "Is this the same guy?"  Nobody has yet shown conclusively that it is.

You are delusional.... thank god your condition excludes you from jury duty.


Are you sure you're okay? Like cognitively?

I honestly don't understand how you keep drawing the bows you do.

Is it all because you're cross with me for siding with Lefty?
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Reply #26 - Aug 7th, 2023 at 2:01pm
 
"Former prime minister Julia Gillard has offered her support to Ms Higgins, saying she was "horrified both by the incident, and the aftermath".

"I hugely admire Brittany Higgins's courage in coming forward with her account of her rape in Parliament House," Ms Gillard said in a statement."

Weasel words - start thinking people.... this is almost as good as a peccary....

Gillard is clearly 100% on the side of Higgins - not of Law.
Let's make it easy for you - there is a presumption that an 'incident' took place.
Gillard skirts around the whole thing by saying "her account" while continuing to indicate that she believes implicitly in this 'incident'. Which is it?
Gillard uses the word 'rape' - not 'alleged rape' - indicating Gillard's presumption of guilt.

Amazing stuff from a lawyer.... wouldn't give it the time of day myself.
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Reply #27 - Aug 7th, 2023 at 2:03pm
 
mothra wrote on Aug 7th, 2023 at 1:56pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 7th, 2023 at 10:41am:
mothra wrote on Aug 7th, 2023 at 10:19am:
Why would someone try to argue that it's not the same guy?

I mean, how deep does this bitterness and resentment go? Well into the land of delusion it would seem.


https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExejRjdjA2aGxqbnozbjV4a2xwNmF1cm...


Nobody's arguing any such thing - they are asking questions such as the simple one:-  "Is this the same guy?"  Nobody has yet shown conclusively that it is.

You are delusional.... thank god your condition excludes you from jury duty.


Are you sure you're okay? Like cognitively?

I honestly don't understand how you keep drawing the bows you do.

Is it all because you're cross with me for siding with Lefty?


Clearly from that response it is not I who have any problem with anything... is this the same guy?

I'm curious....... Aussie reckons the same name or nearly means it is.... but that's not proof.... over to you .... you can do it in spite of your cognitive dysfunctions.....
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Oh ho! Look everyone! Crappler thinks he's making a point here!
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 7th, 2023 at 2:03pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 7th, 2023 at 1:56pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 7th, 2023 at 10:41am:
mothra wrote on Aug 7th, 2023 at 10:19am:
Why would someone try to argue that it's not the same guy?

I mean, how deep does this bitterness and resentment go? Well into the land of delusion it would seem.


https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExejRjdjA2aGxqbnozbjV4a2xwNmF1cm...


Nobody's arguing any such thing - they are asking questions such as the simple one:-  "Is this the same guy?"  Nobody has yet shown conclusively that it is.

You are delusional.... thank god your condition excludes you from jury duty.


Are you sure you're okay? Like cognitively?

I honestly don't understand how you keep drawing the bows you do.

Is it all because you're cross with me for siding with Lefty?


Clearly from that response it is not I who have any problem with anything... is this the same guy?

I'm curious....... Aussie reckons the same name or nearly means it is.... but that's not proof.... over to you .... you can do it in spite of your cognitive dysfunctions.....


Of course it's the same guy, you absolute moron.
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Reply #30 - Aug 7th, 2023 at 2:35pm
 
mothra wrote on Aug 7th, 2023 at 2:06pm:
Of course it's the same guy, you absolute moron.


And just like Aussie - you can prove this?  It's a simple question - is this the same guy.. no need to get your knickers all twirled up ... that'll strangle your ovaries though unfortunately far too late to do any good for society.
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Reply #31 - Aug 7th, 2023 at 3:30pm
 
Aussie wrote on Aug 4th, 2023 at 1:26pm:
This matter has been going on for most of this year currently in the Toowoomba Magistrates Court.

There was a recent appearance and a poo fight over a mobile phone.  Stuffed if I know the relevance of that given that it is alleged the victim and perp did not know each other until the time the offence was allegedly committed.

Next Court date is 9th August, 2023.

No brown paper bag of Uncanny's boiled lollies for guessing who the alleged perp is, ey!

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Reply #32 - Aug 7th, 2023 at 3:39pm
 
Frank wrote on Aug 7th, 2023 at 3:30pm:
Aussie wrote on Aug 4th, 2023 at 1:26pm:
This matter has been going on for most of this year currently in the Toowoomba Magistrates Court.

There was a recent appearance and a poo fight over a mobile phone.  Stuffed if I know the relevance of that given that it is alleged the victim and perp did not know each other until the time the offence was allegedly committed.

Next Court date is 9th August, 2023.

No brown paper bag of Uncanny's boiled lollies for guessing who the alleged perp is, ey!

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Ohhhhh......   Arrsie!!!!....... Soooo excitement!


You think people will be excited about a repeat sexual offender?
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Reply #33 - Aug 7th, 2023 at 4:31pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 7th, 2023 at 2:03pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 7th, 2023 at 1:56pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 7th, 2023 at 10:41am:
mothra wrote on Aug 7th, 2023 at 10:19am:
Why would someone try to argue that it's not the same guy?

I mean, how deep does this bitterness and resentment go? Well into the land of delusion it would seem.


https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExejRjdjA2aGxqbnozbjV4a2xwNmF1cm...


Nobody's arguing any such thing - they are asking questions such as the simple one:-  "Is this the same guy?"  Nobody has yet shown conclusively that it is.

You are delusional.... thank god your condition excludes you from jury duty.


Are you sure you're okay? Like cognitively?

I honestly don't understand how you keep drawing the bows you do.

Is it all because you're cross with me for siding with Lefty?


Clearly from that response it is not I who have any problem with anything... is this the same guy?

I'm curious....... Aussie reckons the same name or nearly means it is.... but that's not proof.... over to you .... you can do it in spite of your cognitive dysfunctions.....


It is exactly the same name including the very odd second Christian name, Emery.

The initial reports said the person had family connections in Toowoomba (Lehrmann does...his Mother lives there, or did at the relevant time.)  Lehrmann also schooled in Toowoomba.

The same reports described the bloke as high profile....well, Lehrmann fits that bill too.

It is the same Goose, Grappler.  Deal with that fact.
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Aussie wrote on Aug 7th, 2023 at 4:31pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 7th, 2023 at 2:03pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 7th, 2023 at 1:56pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 7th, 2023 at 10:41am:
mothra wrote on Aug 7th, 2023 at 10:19am:
Why would someone try to argue that it's not the same guy?

I mean, how deep does this bitterness and resentment go? Well into the land of delusion it would seem.


https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExejRjdjA2aGxqbnozbjV4a2xwNmF1cm...


Nobody's arguing any such thing - they are asking questions such as the simple one:-  "Is this the same guy?"  Nobody has yet shown conclusively that it is.

You are delusional.... thank god your condition excludes you from jury duty.


Are you sure you're okay? Like cognitively?

I honestly don't understand how you keep drawing the bows you do.

Is it all because you're cross with me for siding with Lefty?


Clearly from that response it is not I who have any problem with anything... is this the same guy?

I'm curious....... Aussie reckons the same name or nearly means it is.... but that's not proof.... over to you .... you can do it in spite of your cognitive dysfunctions.....


It is exactly the same name including the very odd second Christian name, Emery.

The initial reports said the person had family connections in Toowoomba (Lehrmann does...his Mother lives there, or did at the relevant time.)  Lehrmann also schooled in Toowoomba.

The same reports described the bloke as high profile....well, Lehrmann fits that bill too.

It is the same Goose, Grappler.  Deal with that fact.


Wake up, toad-boy - I merely asked the question - you're getting closer now... but try just to answer simple questions in a civil way and don't go off into the wild reaches of your imagination like mothra and throw accusations and assumptions around.... that's not lawyerly at all....

I'd still like to know if it's the exact same guy.... sounds close - but that's still not definitive.
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https://au.sports.yahoo.com/fresh-claim-high-profile-rape-010700596.html

Hmm - aboriginal lawyer, too... another one doing it tough.... you know the drill ...
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mothra wrote on Aug 7th, 2023 at 3:39pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 7th, 2023 at 3:30pm:
Aussie wrote on Aug 4th, 2023 at 1:26pm:
This matter has been going on for most of this year currently in the Toowoomba Magistrates Court.

There was a recent appearance and a poo fight over a mobile phone.  Stuffed if I know the relevance of that given that it is alleged the victim and perp did not know each other until the time the offence was allegedly committed.

Next Court date is 9th August, 2023.

No brown paper bag of Uncanny's boiled lollies for guessing who the alleged perp is, ey!

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Ohhhhh......   Arrsie!!!!....... Soooo excitement!


You think people will be excited about a repeat sexual offender?

He has not been committed to stand trial so at this stage he is merely an accused. He was not convicted in the Higgins case so he is not as 'repeat' offender', only repeatedly accused.

His identity remains protected under Queensland law which prohibits the identification of those charged with sexual assault or rape offences until they are committed to stand trial.
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 7th, 2023 at 4:47pm:
Aussie wrote on Aug 7th, 2023 at 4:31pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 7th, 2023 at 2:03pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 7th, 2023 at 1:56pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 7th, 2023 at 10:41am:
mothra wrote on Aug 7th, 2023 at 10:19am:
Why would someone try to argue that it's not the same guy?

I mean, how deep does this bitterness and resentment go? Well into the land of delusion it would seem.


https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExejRjdjA2aGxqbnozbjV4a2xwNmF1cm...


Nobody's arguing any such thing - they are asking questions such as the simple one:-  "Is this the same guy?"  Nobody has yet shown conclusively that it is.

You are delusional.... thank god your condition excludes you from jury duty.


Are you sure you're okay? Like cognitively?

I honestly don't understand how you keep drawing the bows you do.

Is it all because you're cross with me for siding with Lefty?


Clearly from that response it is not I who have any problem with anything... is this the same guy?

I'm curious....... Aussie reckons the same name or nearly means it is.... but that's not proof.... over to you .... you can do it in spite of your cognitive dysfunctions.....


It is exactly the same name including the very odd second Christian name, Emery.

The initial reports said the person had family connections in Toowoomba (Lehrmann does...his Mother lives there, or did at the relevant time.)  Lehrmann also schooled in Toowoomba.

The same reports described the bloke as high profile....well, Lehrmann fits that bill too.

It is the same Goose, Grappler.  Deal with that fact.


Wake up, toad-boy - I merely asked the question - you're getting closer now... but try just to answer simple questions in a civil way and don't go off into the wild reaches of your imagination like mothra and throw accusations and assumptions around.... that's not lawyerly at all....

I'd still like to know if it's the exact same guy.... sounds close - but that's still not definitive.


Nope, I had him nailed from day one, when he first "appeared."  He was then roasted by the Beak for having the gall to appear by phone without the Beak's prior approval, pleading a frail state of mind at the time.

You don't suspect he was malingering so as to avoid cameras do you Grappler?
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Nope, I had him nailed from day one, when he first "appeared."  He was then roasted by the Beak for having the gall to appear by phone without the Beak's prior approval, pleading a frail state of mind at the time.

You don't suspect he was malingering so as to avoid cameras do you Grappler?


The judge put a total lockdown on the media... no cameras anyway.  You'd know that Queensland law forbids publishing the alleged perpetrator's name, and that when a judge cuts out any chance of a mistrial because of media exuberance, that is within the bounds.

That was just one failing over the Higgins allegation.
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 7th, 2023 at 5:57pm:
Aussie wrote on Aug 7th, 2023 at 5:28pm:
Nope, I had him nailed from day one, when he first "appeared."  He was then roasted by the Beak for having the gall to appear by phone without the Beak's prior approval, pleading a frail state of mind at the time.

You don't suspect he was malingering so as to avoid cameras do you Grappler?


The judge put a total lockdown on the media... no cameras anyway.  You'd know that Queensland law forbids publishing the alleged perpetrator's name, and that when a judge cuts out any chance of a mistrial because of media exuberance, that is within the bounds.

That was just one failing over the Higgins allegation.


Nothing would stop a photo of him outside the Toowoomba Court House being published.

Headline.....'Seen visiting Family in Toowoomba,' then the photo.

Same page....Headline.......'High profile accused today appears in local Court.  Cannot be named for legal reasons.'

The Judge was a nano second too late putting that ban on.  It leaked via the Law List a copy of which I have and posted on the first page of this Thread.

You do know about Law Lists and how they are generated, yes, Grappler?
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Aussie wrote on Aug 4th, 2023 at 2:42pm:
Unless there are two guys with exactly the same name etc......


You follow Lord  Mike Carlton on Twatter, Arrsie?  Or is it gregntina?


https://twitter.com/gregntita/status/1613005321005563910

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Frank wrote on Aug 7th, 2023 at 6:54pm:
Aussie wrote on Aug 4th, 2023 at 2:42pm:
Unless there are two guys with exactly the same name etc......


You follow Lord  Mike Carlton on Twatter, Arrsie?  Or is it gregntina?


https://twitter.com/gregntita/status/1613005321005563910



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Aussie wrote on Aug 7th, 2023 at 8:06pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 7th, 2023 at 6:54pm:
Aussie wrote on Aug 4th, 2023 at 2:42pm:
Unless there are two guys with exactly the same name etc......


You follow Lord  Mike Carlton on Twatter, Arrsie?  Or is it gregntina?


https://twitter.com/gregntita/status/1613005321005563910



Ima not in Twitter.  Could never figure out how it works, so did not bother.



Cheesy  Cheesy Cheesy
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Almost like daytime tele.
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A nothing burger today.  The thing resumes on August 23rd when we should know more about this bizarre request for phone records of the alleged victim, even though it appears to be common ground that alleged perp and alleged victim did not know each other prior to the alleged offences occurring.

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A nothing burger today.  The thing resumes on August 23rd when we should know more about this bizarre request for phone records of the alleged victim, even though it appears to be common ground that alleged perp and alleged victim did not know each other prior to the alleged offences occurring.

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Aussie - from your link 👆

High-profile accused rapist wants access to alleged victim's phone

A high-profile man accused of rape may know in days whether he will be able to access months of data from his alleged victim's mobile phone, a court has heard.

The latest in a string of committal mentions took place in Toowoomba Magistrates Court on Wednesday to determine if there was enough evidence to proceed to trial.

The high-profile man, who is on bail and cannot be named for legal reasons, faces two charges of raping a woman in October 2021.


Question : Are we expected to use the phrase “high profile man” even here on OzPol? I mean are we no longer legally allowed to type the guy’s name despite the fact that we all know it’s ***** The Goose?
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Ooooo.....looks like his name might come out earlier than at first thought.  All the rest is legal fu
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Back in Court on 20th September.

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Aussie wrote on Aug 7th, 2023 at 5:28pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 7th, 2023 at 4:47pm:
Aussie wrote on Aug 7th, 2023 at 4:31pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 7th, 2023 at 2:03pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 7th, 2023 at 1:56pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 7th, 2023 at 10:41am:
mothra wrote on Aug 7th, 2023 at 10:19am:
Why would someone try to argue that it's not the same guy?

I mean, how deep does this bitterness and resentment go? Well into the land of delusion it would seem.


https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExejRjdjA2aGxqbnozbjV4a2xwNmF1cm...


Nobody's arguing any such thing - they are asking questions such as the simple one:-  "Is this the same guy?"  Nobody has yet shown conclusively that it is.

You are delusional.... thank god your condition excludes you from jury duty.


Are you sure you're okay? Like cognitively?

I honestly don't understand how you keep drawing the bows you do.

Is it all because you're cross with me for siding with Lefty?


Clearly from that response it is not I who have any problem with anything... is this the same guy?

I'm curious....... Aussie reckons the same name or nearly means it is.... but that's not proof.... over to you .... you can do it in spite of your cognitive dysfunctions.....


It is exactly the same name including the very odd second Christian name, Emery.

The initial reports said the person had family connections in Toowoomba (Lehrmann does...his Mother lives there, or did at the relevant time.)  Lehrmann also schooled in Toowoomba.

The same reports described the bloke as high profile....well, Lehrmann fits that bill too.

It is the same Goose, Grappler.  Deal with that fact.


Wake up, toad-boy - I merely asked the question - you're getting closer now... but try just to answer simple questions in a civil way and don't go off into the wild reaches of your imagination like mothra and throw accusations and assumptions around.... that's not lawyerly at all....

I'd still like to know if it's the exact same guy.... sounds close - but that's still not definitive.


Nope, I had him nailed from day one, when he first "appeared."  He was then roasted by the Beak for having the gall to appear by phone without the Beak's prior approval, pleading a frail state of mind at the time.

You don't suspect he was malingering so as to avoid cameras do you Grappler?



Only mildly malingering.... just enough for Witness B to get out from under... fair enough though to protect identity.  Even having a newspaper over his face you would see the body shape and say - Yay or Nay... I mean if THIS Witness B was skinny as a rake with tattoos....

I'd like to know what is really going on here... Witness B asking for telephone records raises some questions....
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Reply #47 - Aug 26th, 2023 at 8:23am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 26th, 2023 at 12:18am:
Aussie wrote on Aug 7th, 2023 at 5:28pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 7th, 2023 at 4:47pm:
Aussie wrote on Aug 7th, 2023 at 4:31pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 7th, 2023 at 2:03pm:
mothra wrote on Aug 7th, 2023 at 1:56pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 7th, 2023 at 10:41am:
mothra wrote on Aug 7th, 2023 at 10:19am:
Why would someone try to argue that it's not the same guy?

I mean, how deep does this bitterness and resentment go? Well into the land of delusion it would seem.


https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExejRjdjA2aGxqbnozbjV4a2xwNmF1cm...


Nobody's arguing any such thing - they are asking questions such as the simple one:-  "Is this the same guy?"  Nobody has yet shown conclusively that it is.

You are delusional.... thank god your condition excludes you from jury duty.


Are you sure you're okay? Like cognitively?

I honestly don't understand how you keep drawing the bows you do.

Is it all because you're cross with me for siding with Lefty?


Clearly from that response it is not I who have any problem with anything... is this the same guy?

I'm curious....... Aussie reckons the same name or nearly means it is.... but that's not proof.... over to you .... you can do it in spite of your cognitive dysfunctions.....


It is exactly the same name including the very odd second Christian name, Emery.

The initial reports said the person had family connections in Toowoomba (Lehrmann does...his Mother lives there, or did at the relevant time.)  Lehrmann also schooled in Toowoomba.

The same reports described the bloke as high profile....well, Lehrmann fits that bill too.

It is the same Goose, Grappler.  Deal with that fact.


Wake up, toad-boy - I merely asked the question - you're getting closer now... but try just to answer simple questions in a civil way and don't go off into the wild reaches of your imagination like mothra and throw accusations and assumptions around.... that's not lawyerly at all....

I'd still like to know if it's the exact same guy.... sounds close - but that's still not definitive.


Nope, I had him nailed from day one, when he first "appeared."  He was then roasted by the Beak for having the gall to appear by phone without the Beak's prior approval, pleading a frail state of mind at the time.

You don't suspect he was malingering so as to avoid cameras do you Grappler?



Only mildly malingering.... just enough for Witness B to get out from under... fair enough though to protect identity.  Even having a newspaper over his face you would see the body shape and say - Yay or Nay... I mean if THIS Witness B was skinny as a rake with tattoos....

I'd like to know what is really going on here... Witness B asking for telephone records raises some questions....


The way it “LOOKS” to me?

1. High Profile Goose is stalling.

2. His lawyer is throwing hurdles to buy time.

3. I don’t believe there’s anything in any telephone record that’s going to change much about this matter. Telephone records vs physical actions = the latter trumps the former.

4. Like everyone here ... I’m still trying to get over how the same High Profile goose is facing the same allegations in August 2023.

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Aussie wrote on Aug 24th, 2023 at 4:10pm:
Ooooo.....looks like his name might come out earlier than at first thought.  All the rest is legal fu
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Back in Court on 20th September.

Link.



Thanks Aussie.

The 20th eh? I wonder if anything much will happen before Christmas. Let’s see.

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Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 26th, 2023 at 8:23am:
The way it “LOOKS” to me?

1. High Profile Goose is stalling.

2. His lawyer is throwing hurdles to buy time.

3. I don’t believe there’s anything in any telephone record that’s going to change much about this matter. Telephone records vs physical actions = the latter trumps the former.

4. Like everyone here ... I’m still trying to get over how the same High Profile goose is facing the same allegations in August 2023.



Funny how the accusation is so similar..... and I believe 'twice' this is alleged to have happened ... on two separate occasions .... the phone records may show a pattern of behaviour amounting to a plan as laid down by St Brittany, by this second 'woman'..

Need to know a lot more about all of them before any judgements can be made.  Who is she?  What is she? What motivates her?

Remember Eddie the Aboriginal guy?  Sitting in a cell because his 'girlfriend' - who was fifteen, a not unusual age for Aborigines - said he'd 'abducted' he and held her against her will, i.e. raped her, even though they were seen repeatedly walking the streets hand in hand etc.... then they tried to pin that 'body on the rail line' job on him, saying they had 'fresh evidence' indicating DNA.... he walked.

He also became a 'Black Muslim' ... being victimised does strange things to people...
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Just a thought here - so a guy once accused of a heinous crime while in a position of trust etc, losing his job and suffering national humiliation as a result - will go out and just do it again?  Sounds a bit odd to me .....

Anyway - Eddie said the only reason his girl would say those things was because if he was convicted she would likely get the then princely sum of $50,000 from victim's compensation.  Money does strange things to people....
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So, the Law changed today and in a few days, it will be legal in Queensland to name a person charged with rape from the moment of charge.  Currently, it can only happen after that person has been committed for Trial, meaning a Magistrate has made a determination that a prima facie case has been made out.

I disagree with the change as the current position did appropriately protect people accused on flimsy evidence, provided the Cops have charged.  Way too much power thus is in the hands of an accuser and dumb Cops.

However, you can thus expect this bloke's name to be lawfully out there very soon.
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Could we still post as per former QLD law restrictions? That way we can maintain continuity (plus this guy has earned his High Profile Goose title).
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Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 12th, 2023 at 9:02pm:
Could we still post as per former QLD law restrictions? That way we can maintain continuity (plus this guy has earned his High Profile Goose title).


The new Laws take effect in some days.  Until then, we'll have to pretend we don't know.

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Aussie wrote on Sep 12th, 2023 at 6:14pm:
So, the Law changed today and in a few days, it will be legal in Queensland to name a person charged with rape from the moment of charge.  Currently, it can only happen after that person has been committed for Trial, meaning a Magistrate has made a determination that a prima facie case has been made out.

I disagree with the change as the current position did appropriately protect people accused on flimsy evidence, provided the Cops have charged.  Way too much power thus is in the hands of an accuser and dumb Cops.

However, you can thus expect this bloke's name to be lawfully out there very soon.


Agreed. There are instances I suppose where the allegation of sexual assault/rape may well arise out of spite. And let’s not forget that the alleged perpetrator may be either male or female.

I will say this though : It matters not if you’re a boy or a girl...or a man or woman: if someone touches you and you DO NOT like it then SPEAK UP AND LET THEM KNOW.

Likewise if someone touches you and you DO like it then again just let them know. Some people (for whatever reason) don’t pick up on signals.

I could say so much more ...but I reserve such sermons for my kids.


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Finally....a.......

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Reply #56 - Sep 22nd, 2023 at 2:31pm
 
So the phone saga continues.  Have to say that I really don't get it given it is alleged the parties involved did not know each other before the alleged incident.  But, there must be some relevance otherwise the Crown would have bitched about having to produce these phone records.

Still, 3rd October is the day the Media can release the alleged rapist's name.

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Reply #57 - Sep 29th, 2023 at 1:34pm
 
It looks like the mystery man (let's call him Bruce) won't be named. A court order has been granted to prevent publication of his name...
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Reply #58 - Sep 29th, 2023 at 2:20pm
 
The Heartless Felon wrote on Sep 29th, 2023 at 1:34pm:
It looks like the mystery man (let's call him Bruce) won't be named. A court order has been granted to prevent publication of his name...


Yes....but it is only temporary and keeps the status quo pending a hearing of the mystery man's...let's call him Bruce....application to suppress his name notwithstanding the change in legislation due to come into effect on October 3rd.
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Reply #59 - Sep 29th, 2023 at 3:17pm
 
Aussie wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 4:47pm:
Finally....a.......

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DDay is 3rd October for our Bad Boy.


Typical assault on the already flimsy rights of the accused.

“..civil liberties are less secure in the hands of Labour politicians, nervously striving to prove their responsibility by bowing to pressure from the police and the security services, than of died-in-the-wool Conservatives who have no need to prove their Law and Order credentials.”

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Reply #60 - Sep 29th, 2023 at 6:01pm
 
Sound reasons given.  But remember...this is merely a temporary order retaining the status quo until the impact of the new legislation is fully argued.

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Justice Peter Applegarth, in his three-page decision, said that without a temporary order the man's right to have a non-publication order argument heard and determined would be "an empty, theoretical or useless right".

It is the first high-profile test of the new law, which comes into effect just after 12am on Tuesday.

Justice Applegarth said that the man's legal team intends to apply for an order, under the new law, for his identity to remain suppressed, and it will do so as soon as practicable after the legislation comes into effect early Tuesday.

Under the previous legislation, identification of a person charged with rape was prohibited until they had gone through a committal hearing. That was scrapped on September 13 when the new laws went through parliament and came into effect on October 3.

Justice Applegarth said that without a temporary order today, media reports could identify the man any time after 12am on Tuesday.

"His statutory right to apply for an order … would be rendered nugatory and the application would have no utility," Justice Applegarth said.

The Queensland Police Service did not oppose an interim injunction. Justice Applegarth said it would be "contrary to the interests of justice" if the man was named before being given an opportunity to lodge an application.

"Without a temporary order today, the purpose of making the application would be defeated. The interests of justice, and the balance of convenience, are served by not rendering the statutory right that the applicant will gain early on Tuesday morning, an empty, theoretical or useless right," Justice Applegarth said.
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Reply #61 - Sep 29th, 2023 at 11:39pm
 
Let's wait and see IF it's going to be argued.... the rights of the defendant at the time may hold sway.

Personally I think both accused and accuser should remain unnamed until the hearing is finished - and only revealed if a finding of guilty is made.  Otherwise it stick to the defendant for life regardless of outcome and facts.

Queensland, of course, is happy to turn back the clocks to the Dark Ages under a Labor government...
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Reply #62 - Sep 30th, 2023 at 1:25pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 29th, 2023 at 11:39pm:
Let's wait and see IF it's going to be argued.... the rights of the defendant at the time may hold sway.

Personally I think both accused and accuser should remain unnamed until the hearing is finished - and only revealed if a finding of guilty is made.  Otherwise it stick to the defendant for life regardless of outcome and facts.

Queensland, of course, is happy to turn back the clocks to the Dark Ages under a Labor government...


What do you mean..."If it is going to be argued?"  If it isn't, under the new legislation, his name is fair game after the 3rd October.

And, you are happy to extend that to all cases involving all charges, not just sex offences?
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Reply #63 - Sep 30th, 2023 at 7:28pm
 
Aussie wrote on Sep 30th, 2023 at 1:25pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 29th, 2023 at 11:39pm:
Let's wait and see IF it's going to be argued.... the rights of the defendant at the time may hold sway.

Personally I think both accused and accuser should remain unnamed until the hearing is finished - and only revealed if a finding of guilty is made.  Otherwise it stick to the defendant for life regardless of outcome and facts.

Queensland, of course, is happy to turn back the clocks to the Dark Ages under a Labor government...


What do you mean..."If it is going to be argued?"  If it isn't, under the new legislation, his name is fair game after the 3rd October.

And, you are happy to extend that to all cases involving all charges, not just sex offences?


Now that you mention it - why not?
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Reply #64 - Oct 5th, 2023 at 7:42pm
 
"Soothsayer - the Ideas of October have come!"

"Aye, Caesar - but not gone!"

Where's Aussie.... hasn't done a Kat on us, has he?  Let's just call him Bruce...
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Reply #66 - Oct 6th, 2023 at 6:04pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 6th, 2023 at 7:21am:


Thought that would happen ... if he had anonymity before the date, it would be a hard call to change that - it's only until the preliminary hearing or whatever when the allegations are laid out ... allegations are not facts.

Wondering how the call for phone records is going?  Maybe a little message there about getting some of the lovely by creating a court case?
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Aussie's back - but he's only bitching about the voice... too scared to come here and take another hiding...

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Reply #68 - Oct 7th, 2023 at 9:28pm
 
Aussie?  Aussie?  Wake up, lad.. stay with me here... I'm working without a net .... or a name....

Let's just, for convenience, call him Bruce ....
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Reply #69 - Oct 17th, 2023 at 7:24pm
 
This is starting to sound very much like Humpty Trumpty and his bullshit.

The bloke's Lawyers pissing off the Judge who gave them short shrift and an invitation to see you on the 26th October, 2023, with or without Hoare.

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Reply #70 - Oct 20th, 2023 at 8:07am
 
Aussie wrote on Oct 17th, 2023 at 7:24pm:
This is starting to sound very much like Humpty Trumpty and his bullshit.

The bloke's Lawyers pissing off the Judge who gave them short shrift and an invitation to see you on the 26th October, 2023, with or without Hoare.

Link.


I must admit I was wondering why things were a bit too quiet on the Goose Front.


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Reply #71 - Oct 26th, 2023 at 4:40pm
 
Oh Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!

This can't be right!!!!

It is Bruce Lehrman, the bloke Grappler et al was anxious to exonerate and put the blame at the feet of some security breakdown and a drunken woman.

Gee.....I wonder if there is any similarity between the two cases?

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Poor widdle Bwucey...happy to parade himself on front of the national media, but becomes suicidal if he is named as an accused rapist, which is what he was (the Canberra 'rape' for which he was accused and never found not guilty of) when he peacocked around the TV channels.

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Reply #72 - Oct 26th, 2023 at 4:40pm
 
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Bruce Lehrmann named as man charged with alleged rape of woman in Toowoomba


Huh Huh Huh

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Reply #73 - Oct 26th, 2023 at 4:47pm
 
Aussie wrote on Oct 26th, 2023 at 4:40pm:
Oh Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!

This can't be right!!!!

It is Bruce Lehrman, the bloke Grappler et al was anxious to exonerate and put the blame at the feet of some security breakdown and a drunken woman.

Gee.....I wonder if there is any similarity between the two cases?

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Looks like we posted the same link at the same time Aussie....Were are the rape apologists who claim lehrmann is a saint and Brittney Higgins is a liar....Both worked for the Liberal Party???

Huh Huh Huh
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Reply #74 - Oct 26th, 2023 at 5:33pm
 
Idiots - the two cases have nothing to do with one another .... and there WERE security lapses and zero evidence apart from a drunken tale afterwards, Higgins changed her story multiple times and made errors in 'recollection, and even made factually wrong statements to police -  I was NEVER 'anxious to exonerate' anyone - I simply said there was no case... you are entering dementia, Aussie, and are telling lies.

Get a life.. you're no lawyer, Aussie - no lawyer would say what you just did - and pillperth is a nobody who has yet to show he understands one thing of the real world.

Back in your box...

P.S.  Those same Fascists who considered that it was right to publicly name a defendant but not his accuser(s) are in the process of evicting a 93 yo demented man from his home of over 60 years so they can make way for a drop-off point for the local college.

You twits need to get your minds on some of the real issues taking place here today.    Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes
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Reply #75 - Oct 26th, 2023 at 5:36pm
 
Aussie wrote on Oct 17th, 2023 at 7:24pm:
This is starting to sound very much like Humpty Trumpty and his bullshit.

The bloke's Lawyers pissing off the Judge who gave them short shrift and an invitation to see you on the 26th October, 2023, with or without Hoare.

Link.


Idiot - your link says he will continue to have his name kept secret.  You ARE demented!
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Reply #76 - Oct 26th, 2023 at 5:38pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Oct 26th, 2023 at 4:40pm:
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Bruce Lehrmann named as man charged with alleged rape of woman in Toowoomba


Huh Huh Huh

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-26/bruce-lehrmann-toowoomba-court-rape-charg...


Now all we need to do is wait for the facts... idiots.... unless like the Higgins case, you want to demand guilt by accusation as the norm now....

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Reply #77 - Oct 26th, 2023 at 5:46pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 26th, 2023 at 5:36pm:
Aussie wrote on Oct 17th, 2023 at 7:24pm:
This is starting to sound very much like Humpty Trumpty and his bullshit.

The bloke's Lawyers pissing off the Judge who gave them short shrift and an invitation to see you on the 26th October, 2023, with or without Hoare.

Link.


Idiot - your link says he will continue to have his name kept secret.  You ARE demented!


Grappler, one of the cardinal sins around these parts is to alter a Member's post (in a material way surreptitiously) as you have done.  You have changed the link in your Post.

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Reply #78 - Oct 26th, 2023 at 6:19pm
 
Aussie wrote on Oct 26th, 2023 at 5:46pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 26th, 2023 at 5:36pm:
Aussie wrote on Oct 17th, 2023 at 7:24pm:
This is starting to sound very much like Humpty Trumpty and his bullshit.

The bloke's Lawyers pissing off the Judge who gave them short shrift and an invitation to see you on the 26th October, 2023, with or without Hoare.

Link.


Idiot - your link says he will continue to have his name kept secret.  You ARE demented!


Grappler, one of the cardinal sins around these parts is to alter a Member's post (in a material way surreptitiously) as you have done.  You have changed the link in your Post.

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I did nothing of the kind.  You've been sorted on your lack of application to fact.  You clearly made the mistake.  Attitudes like yours and accusations like yours are clearly why we must never permit guilt by accusation.

Further proof that you are losing it, Aussie - and have been since the Higgins case when you tried desperately to defend the indefensible.  The voice insanity lost, by the way, boys... now let's wait for the proof re Bruce. .... on yer bikes.
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Reply #79 - Oct 26th, 2023 at 6:53pm
 
Grappler...the Link I posted in Post # 71....i NOT the link you quoted in Post # 75.

It has been changed.

Anyone/everyone can see that.
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Reply #80 - Oct 26th, 2023 at 7:33pm
 
Aussie wrote on Oct 26th, 2023 at 6:53pm:
Grappler...the Link I posted in Post # 71....i NOT the link you quoted in Post # 75.

It has been changed.

Anyone/everyone can see that.


So where would you get the idea that I changed it?  What is wrong with you, man?

Here is the link you originally posted on answer 69 - still there!!

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-17/qld-high-profile-man-not-named-toowoomba-...

That is what was on the answer of yours I responded to.  You may apologise at any time - and get used to it - the evidence more than shows that St Brittany had a plan all along.

Now for this totally separate accusation.... you haven't heard on bit of evidence, yet off you and pillperth go... ranting and raving and sledging other users instead of sticking to the few facts in front of you.
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Reply #81 - Oct 26th, 2023 at 7:39pm
 
Aussie wrote on Oct 17th, 2023 at 7:24pm:
This is starting to sound very much like Humpty Trumpty and his bullshit.

The bloke's Lawyers pissing off the Judge who gave them short shrift and an invitation to see you on the 26th October, 2023, with or without Hoare.

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Right there, turkey.  Is it the water up there or the hot sun on your head? THAT'S what was quoted of yours, to which I responded.

Admit you were wrong.
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Reply #82 - Oct 26th, 2023 at 7:58pm
 
Aussie wrote on Oct 26th, 2023 at 5:46pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 26th, 2023 at 5:36pm:
Aussie wrote on Oct 17th, 2023 at 7:24pm:
This is starting to sound very much like Humpty Trumpty and his bullshit.

The bloke's Lawyers pissing off the Judge who gave them short shrift and an invitation to see you on the 26th October, 2023, with or without Hoare.

Link.


Idiot - your link says he will continue to have his name kept secret.  You ARE demented!


Grappler, one of the cardinal sins around these parts is to alter a Member's post (in a material way surreptitiously) as you have done.  You have changed the link in your Post.

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Hit your own link right there in your post, Aussie.  Nobody changed it.  I keep looking at it over and over and it still says the same - not named.

READ YOUR OWN LINK!
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Reply #83 - Oct 26th, 2023 at 8:00pm
 
Grappler, this is the Headline in the Link I posted in Post # 71.

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Aussie wrote on Oct 26th, 2023 at 8:00pm:
Grappler, this is the Headline in the Link I posted in Post # 71.

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... and here is the headline in the post I responded to - the headline YOU posted:-

"https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-17/qld-high-profile-man-not-named-toowoomba-rape-charge/102986754"

Go and press the button on your own post.  Now enough of this nonsense - admit you made a mistake and leave it alone.
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Reply #85 - Oct 26th, 2023 at 8:37pm
 
So he took her home, rooted her all night, took her to the chemist for a morning after pill then Maccas, spoke to him on Snapchat for a week then realised he was the guy in the Higgins case and then decided she was raped.

Is Bruce a rapist or a looser who can only get laid by getting chicks drunk first?

https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/courts-law/bruce-lehrmann-met-toowoo...
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Reply #86 - Oct 26th, 2023 at 8:50pm
 
Gordon wrote on Oct 26th, 2023 at 8:37pm:
So he took her home, rooted her all night, took her to the chemist for a morning after pill then Maccas, spoke to him on Snapchat for a week then realised he was the guy in the Higgins case and then decided she was raped.

Is Bruce a rapist or a looser who can only get laid by getting chicks drunk first?

https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/courts-law/bruce-lehrmann-met-toowoo...


A rape of convenience... another 'regret rape' ... another MeToo??  This gets murkier by the minute.... contrary to what the Idiot's Gallery here keep saying - at the time I said (over Higgins) that if he needed to get a woman pissed to get her gear off he was a loser etc... I was actually very balanced and factual about that case - UNLIKE THEM....

Of course, they only want to hear what they want to hear - and instead of being their respected Elder - I am their enemy.... not a good choice on their part....

Have you got a good bastard file I could borrow- some of them need a good reaming out to get all that sh
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Reply #87 - Oct 26th, 2023 at 9:10pm
 
Gordon wrote on Oct 26th, 2023 at 8:37pm:
So he took her home, rooted her all night, took her to the chemist for a morning after pill then Maccas, spoke to him on Snapchat for a week then realised he was the guy in the Higgins case and then decided she was raped.

Is Bruce a rapist or a looser who can only get laid by getting chicks drunk first?

https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/courts-law/bruce-lehrmann-met-toowoo...


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Police will allege the woman told Mr Lehrmann to put a condom on.

Failing to wear a condom without a partner’s permission is considered sexual assault under Queensland law.



Was all this over not wearing a condom?

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Reply #88 - Oct 26th, 2023 at 9:38pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 26th, 2023 at 8:06pm:
Aussie wrote on Oct 26th, 2023 at 8:00pm:
Grappler, this is the Headline in the Link I posted in Post # 71.

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Bruce Lehrmann named as man charged with alleged rape of woman in Toowoomba


... and here is the headline in the post I responded to - the headline YOU posted:-

"https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-17/qld-high-profile-man-not-named-toowoomba-rape-charge/102986754"

Go and press the button on your own post.  Now enough of this nonsense - admit you made a mistake and leave it alone.


Grappler...copy and paste the headline in the Link from Post # 71 (the post I made today...revealing Lehrmann's name.)
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Reply #89 - Oct 26th, 2023 at 9:44pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 26th, 2023 at 9:10pm:
Gordon wrote on Oct 26th, 2023 at 8:37pm:
So he took her home, rooted her all night, took her to the chemist for a morning after pill then Maccas, spoke to him on Snapchat for a week then realised he was the guy in the Higgins case and then decided she was raped.

Is Bruce a rapist or a looser who can only get laid by getting chicks drunk first?

https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/courts-law/bruce-lehrmann-met-toowoo...


From your link

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Police will allege the woman told Mr Lehrmann to put a condom on.

Failing to wear a condom without a partner’s permission is considered sexual assault under Queensland law.



Was all this over not wearing a condom?



Apparently - so it's not a RAPE - it's a minor sexual assault with no real outcome(sic) - and worthy of a wrap on the slist.... which is all it will get IF proven to the proper standard.  Mind you - this IS the Deep North up there... that span from Armidale maybe Tamworth on up to Warwick and all points West... so he might get a public hanging... or the chair.. or the gas chamber.......... and a $50 fine...

My great-grandparents on one side are buried at Tenterfield, the great-greats at Inverell..... they owned pubs etc.... no money flowed my way like Captain Turnbull... one rellie on one side and another on the other are both professors at UNE ... amazing...
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Reply #90 - Oct 26th, 2023 at 10:13pm
 
Gordon wrote on Oct 26th, 2023 at 8:37pm:
So he took her home, rooted her all night, took her to the chemist for a morning after pill then Maccas, spoke to him on Snapchat for a week then realised he was the guy in the Higgins case and then decided she was raped.

Is Bruce a rapist or a looser who can only get laid by getting chicks drunk first?

https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/courts-law/bruce-lehrmann-met-toowoo...


Sounds all very sleazy.  Looks like Bwucie was hanging out at a strip joint, she arrives, gets pissed.....ooops....where have IO heard this before......so pissed she nods off while Bwucie is on the job without the condom she wanted.  She wakes and there is Bwucie on top....on the job.......where have I heard that before???????

And this happens while the allegations (of remarkably similar basic circumstances) aired by Higgins against him were only weeks old and would be at the top of mind of any bloke with half a neuron.

I wonder if he was careless and admitted (in ignorance of the Law) she wanted him to put on a condom and that he did not, despite her want.

In the absence of such an admission, I doubt he will be convicted on the facts as set out in that link......other than perhaps it might be argued so she was so pissed as to be incapable of providing meaningful consent.

Dear oh dear......Bwucie and grossly pissed women, ey?

Who'd a thunk such a nice bloke seems only able to get his rocks off with drunk as a skunk women, ey?

What a grub, no matter how you look at it.
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So its a case of like attracts like?
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Reply #92 - Oct 26th, 2023 at 11:25pm
 
Aussie wrote on Oct 26th, 2023 at 4:40pm:
Gee.....I wonder if there is any similarity between the two cases?

Yes there is, and it's a pretty obvious one currently.

Both women have each made accusations that Lehrmann
raped them, but at this point there is no evidence supporting
either claim, nor has either claim been tested in a court of law.

I also note that both Gordon and Aussie have seemingly made
up some sort of nonsensical sexual fantasies in their own minds,
without any accord with current evidence, or the more noticeable
lack thereof
for the two rape accusations.


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Reply #93 - Oct 26th, 2023 at 11:33pm
 
AusGeoff wrote on Oct 26th, 2023 at 11:25pm:
Aussie wrote on Oct 26th, 2023 at 4:40pm:
Gee.....I wonder if there is any similarity between the two cases?

Yes there is, and it's a pretty obvious one currently.

Both women have each made accusations that Lehrmann
raped them, but at this point there is no evidence supporting
either claim, nor has either claim been tested in a court of law.

I also note that both Gordon and Aussie have seemingly made
up some sort of nonsensical sexual fantasies in their own minds,
without any accord with current evidence, or the more noticeable
lack thereof
for the two rape accusations.




Gordon posted a Link up there ^^^^^ which sets out some of the facts, allegedly.
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Aussie wrote on Oct 26th, 2023 at 11:33pm:
...Gordon posted a Link up there ^^^^^ which sets out some of the facts, allegedly.

I checked Gordon's link, but couldn't find any "facts"
either confirming or denying the allegations made
against Lehrmann.

I think at this stage, any confirmed facts of either
case must be regarded as unknown.  Unfortunately,
we're undoubtedly gonna see yet another 'trial by
media' with this second rape allegation.

At this point, I have to admit to sitting on the fence
for both women's allegations of rape.




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Reply #95 - Oct 27th, 2023 at 6:48am
 
What always strikes me in these threads is how stridently the cause of innocence until found guilty applies ... unless it's to the women.

Them, you rip to pieces.

But alas, this will be lost you and you will maintain.
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Reply #96 - Oct 27th, 2023 at 9:56am
 
AusGeoff wrote on Oct 27th, 2023 at 12:12am:
Aussie wrote on Oct 26th, 2023 at 11:33pm:
...Gordon posted a Link up there ^^^^^ which sets out some of the facts, allegedly.

I checked Gordon's link, but couldn't find any "facts"
either confirming or denying the allegations made
against Lehrmann.

I think at this stage, any confirmed facts of either
case must be regarded as unknown.  Unfortunately,
we're undoubtedly gonna see yet another 'trial by
media' with this second rape allegation.

At this point, I have to admit to sitting on the fence
for both women's allegations of rape.




The pertinent bits.

After socialising and drinking with friends, she moved to a second venue, an adult entertainment venue called The Vault.

While attending that venue, police allege the woman drank more alcohol before meeting Mr Lehrmann, who introduced himself as “Bryce”.
Police further allege that the woman later agreed to get in a taxi with him to his friend’s house, where she got into bed with him and later fell asleep while kissing him.
The police will allege that Mr Lehrmann was not wearing a condom and told the woman they had sex numerous times, and that he had ejaculated inside of her, but that she had no recollections of this.
Police will allege the woman told Mr Lehrmann she needed to get the “morning after” pill and that he agreed to take her to a chemist.
The woman and the accused then left the property in a farm ute to attend a chemist.

After visiting the chemist, police allege she asked Mr Lehrmann take her home and he stopped off at McDonald’s on the way.

During the following week she exchanged messages with him on Snapchat, where she noticed his Snapchat name was BruceEmery. Emery is Mr Lehrmann’s middle name.

Woman claims she recognised Mr Lehrmann from Google search

It is further understood that police will allege the complainant was speaking to a friend’s mother about the Brittany Higgins case.

The complainant is alleged to have then conducted an internet search on her phone for “Brittany Higgins rapist”.


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Reply #97 - Oct 27th, 2023 at 10:02am
 
Beats me how this thoroughly unpleasant man scores a root in the first place.   Shocked

There must be many women out there lacking any semblance of proper character assessment.

Nevertheless, if he scored a root as is alleged, I just shake my head given the circumstances of being the subject of a rape allegation that was in progress at the time, that he failed to get formal consent in triplicate with this woman!

Having said that, from what I gather, she gave implied consent if not formal consent, by asking him to wear a condom.

Unless it was for an informal fashion show to see how a condom looked on him, I don't really see any other implication other than implied consent for a root.

Still, he is a ratbag if he did indeed fail to place a condom on his well used dick.

I reckon it will be difficult for the prosecution to prove non consent to sex given what little we know about this latest allegation.

The mind boggles if the allegation proves to be correct.

The guy is a vile person.
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Reply #98 - Oct 27th, 2023 at 10:23am
 
Gordon wrote on Oct 27th, 2023 at 9:56am:
AusGeoff wrote on Oct 27th, 2023 at 12:12am:
Aussie wrote on Oct 26th, 2023 at 11:33pm:
...Gordon posted a Link up there ^^^^^ which sets out some of the facts, allegedly.

I checked Gordon's link, but couldn't find any "facts"
either confirming or denying the allegations made
against Lehrmann.

I think at this stage, any confirmed facts of either
case must be regarded as unknown.  Unfortunately,
we're undoubtedly gonna see yet another 'trial by
media' with this second rape allegation.

At this point, I have to admit to sitting on the fence
for both women's allegations of rape.




The pertinent bits.

After socialising and drinking with friends, she moved to a second venue, an adult entertainment venue called The Vault.

While attending that venue, police allege the woman drank more alcohol before meeting Mr Lehrmann, who introduced himself as “Bryce”.
Police further allege that the woman later agreed to get in a taxi with him to his friend’s house, where she got into bed with him and later fell asleep while kissing him.
The police will allege that Mr Lehrmann was not wearing a condom and told the woman they had sex numerous times, and that he had ejaculated inside of her, but that she had no recollections of this.
Police will allege the woman told Mr Lehrmann she needed to get the “morning after” pill and that he agreed to take her to a chemist.
The woman and the accused then left the property in a farm ute to attend a chemist.

After visiting the chemist, police allege she asked Mr Lehrmann take her home and he stopped off at McDonald’s on the way.

During the following week she exchanged messages with him on Snapchat, where she noticed his Snapchat name was BruceEmery. Emery is Mr Lehrmann’s middle name.

Woman claims she recognised Mr Lehrmann from Google search

It is further understood that police will allege the complainant was speaking to a friend’s mother about the Brittany Higgins case.

The complainant is alleged to have then conducted an internet search on her phone for “Brittany Higgins rapist”.




You left out a most pertinent bit:

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Police will allege the woman told Mr Lehrmann to put a condom on, but that the next thing she remembered was waking up with the accused on top of her.

The police will allege that Mr Lehrmann was not wearing a condom and told the woman they had sex numerous times, and that he had ejaculated inside of her, but that she had no recollections of this.

Failing to wear a condom without a partner’s permission is considered sexual assault under Queensland law.

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Reply #99 - Oct 27th, 2023 at 10:29am
 
mothra wrote on Oct 27th, 2023 at 6:48am:
What always strikes me in these threads is how stridently the cause of innocence until found guilty applies ... unless it's to the women.

Them, you rip to pieces.

But alas, this will be lost you and you will maintain.


I hear that men in knitting classes suffer the same bias fate.
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Reply #100 - Oct 27th, 2023 at 10:31am
 
Jasin wrote on Oct 27th, 2023 at 10:29am:
mothra wrote on Oct 27th, 2023 at 6:48am:
What always strikes me in these threads is how stridently the cause of innocence until found guilty applies ... unless it's to the women.

Them, you rip to pieces.

But alas, this will be lost you and you will maintain.


I hear that men in knitting classes suffer the same bias fate.
So what's your problem woman!? Huh


I know you think you're making sense but ....
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Reply #101 - Oct 27th, 2023 at 11:16am
 
mothra wrote on Oct 27th, 2023 at 6:48am:
What always strikes me in these threads is how stridently the cause of innocence until found guilty applies ... unless it's to the women.

Them, you rip to pieces.

But alas, this will be lost you and you will maintain.


Quite disturbing how the conservatives here ALWAYS side with the alleged rapists.

Well, when the alleged rapist is a white guy they do.



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Reply #102 - Oct 27th, 2023 at 1:23pm
 
How is any woman 'being ripped to pieces' here?  What is at question is why the name of an accused is published but the name of the accuser is not.  Social niceties?  'Sensitivities' over the type of allegation?  Who GAF who roots who these days?  why should a woman receive special treatment over shagging?  Bit outdated, even for you retards, don't you think?

And as for St Brittany - all that is being said is that the real evidence does not stack up..... and shows a completely different story from her original.... she changed her story and made 'errors' in 'recollection' which did not reflect her original statement.... and her case was flimsdy at best - how is that 'being ripped to pieces' - truth does no ripping?  You punished Poor Bruce for similar accusations of tampering with his story etc....

It's called OOPS!  But my god how the money rolled in!!

You have a problem with that?

Why don't you just get yourself elected and then dictate to everyone how they will think, mothra?  You could pose as the fearless defender of the poofs, the trannies, the ethnics, the Cheers, the Pallies .. and.. oh ... the women.... all poor victims  ... and set about stamping out the New Jews here ...but that position is reserved for the Future PM Higgins.... Thorpe is just a poor reflection of that kind of attempt at grabbing a fat seat for life... following Hitler's path to riches.
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Started a new poll:

Did Bruce put it in?

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How is any woman 'being ripped to pieces' here?  What is at question is why the name of an accused is published but the name of the accuser is not.  Social niceties?  'Sensitivities' over the type of allegation?  Who GAF who roots who these days?  why should a woman receive special treatment over shagging?  Bit outdated, even for you retards, don't you think?


Ah, I see.  There is my problem. I never knew that rape was merely just a 'shag.'

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Reply #105 - Oct 27th, 2023 at 2:12pm
 
mothra wrote on Oct 27th, 2023 at 10:31am:
Jasin wrote on Oct 27th, 2023 at 10:29am:
mothra wrote on Oct 27th, 2023 at 6:48am:
What always strikes me in these threads is how stridently the cause of innocence until found guilty applies ... unless it's to the women.

Them, you rip to pieces.

But alas, this will be lost you and you will maintain.


I hear that men in knitting classes suffer the same bias fate.
So what's your problem woman!? Huh


I know you think you're making sense but ....

...you are a sexist and so left in your bias, its extremism.
You hate men, that much is apparent here.
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Reply #106 - Oct 27th, 2023 at 3:10pm
 
Aussie wrote on Oct 27th, 2023 at 1:52pm:
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How is any woman 'being ripped to pieces' here?  What is at question is why the name of an accused is published but the name of the accuser is not.  Social niceties?  'Sensitivities' over the type of allegation?  Who GAF who roots who these days?  why should a woman receive special treatment over shagging?  Bit outdated, even for you retards, don't you think?


Ah, I see.  There is my problem. I never knew that rape was merely just a 'shag.'

My bad.


An accusation - not of rape - of an alleged form of sexual assault of not wearing a condom.  Get with it, man...  and you KNOW I was talking about sex in general and not rape, you idiot.  If there is nothing shameful about sex or any person's sexual history, why is there any need to protect the accuser in a rape allegation?  Grow up... lawyer, my arse.

You evade the issue again - why should a woman's name need be protected when there is no 'shame' etc attached to sex?  Talk about outdated... and why is there any difference in treatment... give it a shot....

Your Higgins had no issue with going public ... good money ...
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Reply #107 - Oct 27th, 2023 at 3:13pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Oct 27th, 2023 at 1:26pm:
Started a new poll:

Did Bruce put it in?



Not enough options - I have no idea.... I wasn't there with a camera, but clearly Aussie and mothra were... they've been stalking Bruce since the Higgins case just waiting for him to put a penis wrong... maybe they even set this up with a camera in the room just to catch Bruce out...

That, my son, is how preposterous their stated position is.... mothra whines about women being PUBLICLY ripped to pieces by being exposed over her stories - yet has no problem with any accused man being ripped to pieces on any accusation.  Clearly mad as a hatter....

They wouldn't be allowed on any jury, that pair.
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 27th, 2023 at 3:10pm:
Aussie wrote on Oct 27th, 2023 at 1:52pm:
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How is any woman 'being ripped to pieces' here?  What is at question is why the name of an accused is published but the name of the accuser is not.  Social niceties?  'Sensitivities' over the type of allegation?  Who GAF who roots who these days?  why should a woman receive special treatment over shagging?  Bit outdated, even for you retards, don't you think?


Ah, I see.  There is my problem. I never knew that rape was merely just a 'shag.'

My bad.


An accusation - not of rape - of an alleged form of sexual assault of not wearing a condom.  Get with it, man...  and you KNOW I was talking about sex in general and not rape, you idiot.  If there is nothing shameful about sex or any person's sexual history, why is there any need to protect the accuser in a rape allegation?  Grow up... lawyer, my arse.

You evade the issue again - why should a woman's name need be protected when there is no 'shame' etc attached to sex?  Talk about outdated... and why is there any difference in treatment... give it a shot....

Your Higgins had no issue with going public ... good money ...


You are full of crap Grappler, and have a large forest nestling in a very obvious and ugly position on your shoulder.  We all can see what you wrote.

Further, you well know that my position has always been a liking for how things were back in the day...no names until there has been a committal hearing at which the Court has found that a prima facie case exists.  I do not favour naming an accused simply because some Copper has charged that person.
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Reply #109 - Oct 27th, 2023 at 5:53pm
 
Look - we all know you're still bleeding over Higginsgate and over the Voice Disaster and your gross error in accusing me last night and are just thirsting for a shot at Bruce - that's three mistakes and one coming....

Stop twisting my words.  You will make no headway trying that line.. I was talking about sex not having any 'sensitive' connotations nowadays - love it or leave it.. and the question remains - why is an accused's name and picture allowed to be published but not that of the accuser?

Because of the 'sensitive' nature of the accusation? She's already admitted they snorted coke and had consensual sex, what's to hide - then there arose morning after regret of some kind - ESPECIALLY once she found out it was Bruce who played the lead role in Enter The Dragon.

Oh - she recalls now in her few drinks and a snort or two of coke that he didn't wear a condom... that's as thin as Higgins, Aussie - and you know it.  Even Higgins didn't make that claim.... and how would this sheila know about it unless coached?

You are reverting to a second childhood, son - get some help, and give it a rest.  You won't do anything but annoy me and I will then annoy you - grow up.
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We can all see for ourselves what you wrote Grappler.

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How is any woman 'being ripped to pieces' here?  What is at question is why the name of an accused is published but the name of the accuser is not.  Social niceties?  'Sensitivities' over the type of allegation?  Who GAF who roots who these days?  why should a woman receive special treatment over shagging?  Bit outdated, even for you retards, don't you think?
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Aussie wrote on Oct 27th, 2023 at 6:07pm:
We can all see for ourselves what you wrote Grappler.

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How is any woman 'being ripped to pieces' here?  What is at question is why the name of an accused is published but the name of the accuser is not.  Social niceties?  'Sensitivities' over the type of allegation?  Who GAF who roots who these days?  why should a woman receive special treatment over shagging?  Bit outdated, even for you retards, don't you think?


Cleared it up for yourself, dick-head - over shagging... plain English.... no mention of rape ... and it wasn't rape anyway.... sexual assault is not rape... get used to it....

Told you you'd make no headway with this nonsense.... don't let that stop you.  Keep letting Higginsgate and Voicegate and Aussiegate fester in your mind ....... you lost on each one...
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 27th, 2023 at 6:16pm:
Aussie wrote on Oct 27th, 2023 at 6:07pm:
We can all see for ourselves what you wrote Grappler.

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How is any woman 'being ripped to pieces' here?  What is at question is why the name of an accused is published but the name of the accuser is not.  Social niceties?  'Sensitivities' over the type of allegation?  Who GAF who roots who these days?  why should a woman receive special treatment over shagging?  Bit outdated, even for you retards, don't you think?


Cleared it up for yourself, dick-head - over shagging... plain English.... no mention of rape ... and it wasn't rape anyway.... sexual assault is not rape... get used to it....

Told you you'd make no headway with this nonsense.... don't let that stop you.  Keep letting Higginsgate and Voicegate and Aussiegate fester in your mind ....... you lost on each one...


So, a digital penetration is not rape, just sexual assault?
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Reply #113 - Oct 27th, 2023 at 7:18pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 27th, 2023 at 6:16pm:
Aussie wrote on Oct 27th, 2023 at 6:07pm:
We can all see for ourselves what you wrote Grappler.

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How is any woman 'being ripped to pieces' here?  What is at question is why the name of an accused is published but the name of the accuser is not.  Social niceties?  'Sensitivities' over the type of allegation?  Who GAF who roots who these days?  why should a woman receive special treatment over shagging?  Bit outdated, even for you retards, don't you think?


Cleared it up for yourself, dick-head - over shagging... plain English.... no mention of rape ... and it wasn't rape anyway.... sexual assault is not rape... get used to it....

Told you you'd make no headway with this nonsense.... don't let that stop you.  Keep letting Higginsgate and Voicegate and Aussiegate fester in your mind ....... you lost on each one...


"In Australia, rape is defined in gender-neutral terms as the penetration of the vagina, anus or mouth without consent. Although in some countries, like Scotland, rape is limited to penile penetration, in all Australian states and territories, it includes penetration with the use of any body part or object."
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Reply #114 - Oct 27th, 2023 at 7:33pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 27th, 2023 at 7:18pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 27th, 2023 at 6:16pm:
Aussie wrote on Oct 27th, 2023 at 6:07pm:
We can all see for ourselves what you wrote Grappler.

Quote:
How is any woman 'being ripped to pieces' here?  What is at question is why the name of an accused is published but the name of the accuser is not.  Social niceties?  'Sensitivities' over the type of allegation?  Who GAF who roots who these days?  why should a woman receive special treatment over shagging?  Bit outdated, even for you retards, don't you think?


Cleared it up for yourself, dick-head - over shagging... plain English.... no mention of rape ... and it wasn't rape anyway.... sexual assault is not rape... get used to it....

Told you you'd make no headway with this nonsense.... don't let that stop you.  Keep letting Higginsgate and Voicegate and Aussiegate fester in your mind ....... you lost on each one...


"In Australia, rape is defined in gender-neutral terms as the penetration of the vagina, anus or mouth without consent. Although in some countries, like Scotland, rape is limited to penile penetration, in all Australian states and territories, it includes penetration with the use of any body part or object."


Thank you for certifying what I said.  Aussie is being churlish because he falsely accused me of altering his post last night, and he will not apologise though being shown over and over how he was wrong and the mistake in the link he posted was his from his own files... Lord Of The Files made a mistake.  He tried to post one of his links over Bruce The Spruce Goose, and hit the wrong one.

I wonder what the story is behind that sheila accused of rape..... they're arguing over whether or not her name should be published and the cameras turned loose at her.... why?  Is this... like... some special women's privilege?  Or is it accused and accuser?

Clearly outdated interpretations such as the sanctity of womanhood have no place in modern jurisprudence, since all are equal and sexual history etc carry no burden of shame or assumption.... the woman in this one admitted to consensual sex - no biggie - happens every day across the world ... what's the deal?

Interesting questions arise.... what if this were a 'transwoman'?
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Thank you for certifying what I said.  Aussie is being churlish because he falsely accused me of altering his post last night, and he will not apologise though being shown over and over how he was wrong and the mistake in the link he posted was his from his own files... Lord Of The Files made a mistake.  He tried to post one of his links over Bruce The Spruce Goose, and hit the wrong one.


Look again at Post #71 and Post # 75.  You quoted the wrong Post of mine, you quoted one I made on the 17th Ocyober which contained the OLD link which was about not naming Lehrmann.

Post # 71 contained the current link showing Lehrmanns name.

It was not a link from any 'file.'

My error was not immediately realising you had used an OLD post of mine made on the 17th October which contained the OLD news.
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Reply #116 - Oct 27th, 2023 at 10:49pm
 
Gordon wrote on Oct 27th, 2023 at 9:56am:
AusGeoff wrote on Oct 27th, 2023 at 12:12am:
Aussie wrote on Oct 26th, 2023 at 11:33pm:
...Gordon posted a Link up there ^^^^^ which sets out some of the facts, allegedly.

I checked Gordon's link, but couldn't find any "facts"
either confirming or denying the allegations made
against Lehrmann...

The pertinent bits.

After socialising and drinking with friends, she moved to a second venue, an adult entertainment venue called The Vault.

While attending that venue, police allege the woman drank more alcohol before meeting Mr Lehrmann, who introduced himself as “Bryce”.
Police further allege that the woman later agreed to get in a taxi with him to his friend’s house, where she got into bed with him and later fell asleep while kissing him.
The police will allege that Mr Lehrmann was not wearing a condom and told the woman they had sex numerous times, and that he had ejaculated inside of her, but that she had no recollections of this.
Police will allege the woman told Mr Lehrmann she needed to get the “morning after” pill and that he agreed to take her to a chemist.
The woman and the accused then left the property in a farm ute to attend a chemist.

After visiting the chemist, police allege she asked Mr Lehrmann take her home and he stopped off at McDonald’s on the way.

During the following week she exchanged messages with him on Snapchat, where she noticed his Snapchat name was BruceEmery. Emery is Mr Lehrmann’s middle name.

Woman claims she recognised Mr Lehrmann from Google search

It is further understood that police will allege the complainant was speaking to a friend’s mother about the Brittany Higgins case.

The complainant is alleged to have then conducted an internet search on her phone for “Brittany Higgins rapist”.

Allegations can’t transform into "facts" unless there's
supporting evidence.  Stacking allegation upon allegation
simply means there're multiple allegations.    It doesn't
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An allegation is a factual claim which has yet to be
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a person of committing a crime contain allegations
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evidence presented at a trial.

Until the truth of the allegations is proven in court,
those allegations remain nothing more than
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an investigation to identify and gather evidence that
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Reply #117 - Oct 27th, 2023 at 11:00pm
 
Aussie wrote on Oct 27th, 2023 at 8:35pm:
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Thank you for certifying what I said.  Aussie is being churlish because he falsely accused me of altering his post last night, and he will not apologise though being shown over and over how he was wrong and the mistake in the link he posted was his from his own files... Lord Of The Files made a mistake.  He tried to post one of his links over Bruce The Spruce Goose, and hit the wrong one.


Look again at Post #71 and Post # 75.  You quoted the wrong Post of mine, you quoted one I made on the 17th Ocyober which contained the OLD link which was about not naming Lehrmann.

Post # 71 contained the current link showing Lehrmanns name.

It was not a link from any 'file.'

My error was not immediately realising you had used an OLD post of mine made on the 17th October which contained the OLD news.



DUH - I responded to the LAST post that showed the link you posted - I don't read back more than a few, AS DO ALL OTHERS, WHICH IS WHY ARSEHOLES SEEK THE LAST WORD - go check yourself and STFU.  You owe me an apology for alleging that I changed your post - don't try grasping to get out of it now.  You've lost your credibility and are a liar and a churl.
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Reply #118 - Oct 27th, 2023 at 11:59pm
 
Why did it take her 6 weeks to call the police?

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Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 27th, 2023 at 11:59pm:
Why did it take her 6 weeks to call the police?




it took e jean carol 35 years !!!

and she only called police when her book needed publicity  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #120 - Oct 28th, 2023 at 7:21am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 27th, 2023 at 7:18pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 27th, 2023 at 6:16pm:
Aussie wrote on Oct 27th, 2023 at 6:07pm:
We can all see for ourselves what you wrote Grappler.

Quote:
How is any woman 'being ripped to pieces' here?  What is at question is why the name of an accused is published but the name of the accuser is not.  Social niceties?  'Sensitivities' over the type of allegation?  Who GAF who roots who these days?  why should a woman receive special treatment over shagging?  Bit outdated, even for you retards, don't you think?


Cleared it up for yourself, dick-head - over shagging... plain English.... no mention of rape ... and it wasn't rape anyway.... sexual assault is not rape... get used to it....

Told you you'd make no headway with this nonsense.... don't let that stop you.  Keep letting Higginsgate and Voicegate and Aussiegate fester in your mind ....... you lost on each one...


"In Australia, rape is defined in gender-neutral terms as the penetration of the vagina, anus or mouth without consent. Although in some countries, like Scotland, rape is limited to penile penetration, in all Australian states and territories, it includes penetration with the use of any body part or object."




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Reply #121 - Oct 28th, 2023 at 7:24am
 
Not just about this case but in general, two drunks have consensual sex, why is only one responsible for ensuring a condom is used?
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Reply #122 - Oct 28th, 2023 at 7:25am
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 27th, 2023 at 11:59pm:
Why did it take her 6 weeks to call the police?



First she had to identify her mark.... when it was Bruce Himself, it was Golden Gullies all the way... there'll be a victim's compensation factor in this, and kudos with all the friends etc...

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-26/victims-of-crime-payouts-increase-queensl...
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Gordon wrote on Oct 28th, 2023 at 7:24am:
Not just about this case but in general, two drunks have consensual sex, why is only one responsible for ensuring a condom is used?



he even went with her to buy the morning after pill

the guy is a gentleman

nothing to see here but a grift
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aquascoot wrote on Oct 28th, 2023 at 7:31am:
Gordon wrote on Oct 28th, 2023 at 7:24am:
Not just about this case but in general, two drunks have consensual sex, why is only one responsible for ensuring a condom is used?



he even went with her to buy the morning after pill

the guy is a gentleman

nothing to see here but a grift


I don't like Bruce, he drinks and eats Macca's but it seems he attracts like minded women.
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Reply #125 - Oct 28th, 2023 at 7:59am
 
Gordon wrote on Oct 28th, 2023 at 7:38am:
aquascoot wrote on Oct 28th, 2023 at 7:31am:
Gordon wrote on Oct 28th, 2023 at 7:24am:
Not just about this case but in general, two drunks have consensual sex, why is only one responsible for ensuring a condom is used?



he even went with her to buy the morning after pill

the guy is a gentleman

nothing to see here but a grift


I don't like Bruce, he drinks and eats Macca's but it seems he attracts like minded women.



you dont attract what you want

you attract what you ARE  Wink
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Reply #126 - Oct 28th, 2023 at 9:37am
 
aquascoot wrote on Oct 28th, 2023 at 7:59am:
Gordon wrote on Oct 28th, 2023 at 7:38am:
aquascoot wrote on Oct 28th, 2023 at 7:31am:
Gordon wrote on Oct 28th, 2023 at 7:24am:
Not just about this case but in general, two drunks have consensual sex, why is only one responsible for ensuring a condom is used?



he even went with her to buy the morning after pill

the guy is a gentleman

nothing to see here but a grift


I don't like Bruce, he drinks and eats Macca's but it seems he attracts like minded women.



you dont attract what you want

you attract what you ARE  Wink


Yup I meant like attracts like.

Me, Ive been proper drunk maybe twice, never had drunk sex.
Both men and women who have drunk sex with strangers put themselves at risk.
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Reply #127 - Oct 28th, 2023 at 10:25am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 27th, 2023 at 11:00pm:
Aussie wrote on Oct 27th, 2023 at 8:35pm:
Quote:
Thank you for certifying what I said.  Aussie is being churlish because he falsely accused me of altering his post last night, and he will not apologise though being shown over and over how he was wrong and the mistake in the link he posted was his from his own files... Lord Of The Files made a mistake.  He tried to post one of his links over Bruce The Spruce Goose, and hit the wrong one.


Look again at Post #71 and Post # 75.  You quoted the wrong Post of mine, you quoted one I made on the 17th Ocyober which contained the OLD link which was about not naming Lehrmann.

Post # 71 contained the current link showing Lehrmanns name.

It was not a link from any 'file.'

My error was not immediately realising you had used an OLD post of mine made on the 17th October which contained the OLD news.



DUH - I responded to the LAST post that showed the link you posted - I don't read back more than a few, AS DO ALL OTHERS, WHICH IS WHY ARSEHOLES SEEK THE LAST WORD - go check yourself and STFU.  You owe me an apology for alleging that I changed your post - don't try grasping to get out of it now.  You've lost your credibility and are a liar and a churl.


Which post was that Grappler?  Nominate the post #.
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Reply #128 - Oct 28th, 2023 at 12:09pm
 
Been done already - read it.

Now for the REAL meat!

RAPE APOLOGISTS


Throwing that insult around with gay abandon requires an apology from Aussie and PillPerth - some time about NOW!

Apparently there is an accusation of a minor sexual assault during consensual sex, made six weeks after the event when the accuser found out who was who in her bed - and immediately thought - "Fame and fortune!".

Think of it now - anonymous while Il Bruce is hung, drawn and quartered (he has a history of no convictions, you understand) - the 'go public, with a book deal, film rights, and a 'foundation' set up at someone else's expense to 'further the cause of rape of women' etc.... and which just happens to pay its founder - say - a quarter of a mill or so salary annually plus all perks!

My god how the money rolls in when you grab a popular and unthinking cause by the balls and run with it!!

Apology first - you foul-mouthed, foul-minded ideologues totally distraught over the loss of Higginsgate, then Voicegate, then Aussiegate (the wild accusation of changing his link). And PillPerth - one of the more rabid, narrow-minded, least sought after opinionists on the planet....

APOLOGYOLYPSE NOW
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Reply #129 - Oct 28th, 2023 at 12:24pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 28th, 2023 at 12:09pm:
Been done already - read it.

Now for the REAL meat!

RAPE APOLOGISTS


Throwing that insult around with gay abandon requires an apology from Aussie and PillPerth - some time about NOW!

Apparently there is an accusation of a minor sexual assault during consensual sex, made six weeks after the event when the accuser found out who was who in her bed - and immediately thought - "Fame and fortune!".

Think of it now - anonymous while Il Bruce is hung, drawn and quartered (he has a history of no convictions, you understand) - the 'go public, with a book deal, film rights, and a 'foundation' set up at someone else's expense to 'further the cause of rape of women' etc.... and which just happens to pay its founder - say - a quarter of a mill or so salary annually plus all perks!

My god how the money rolls in when you grab a popular and unthinking cause by the balls and run with it!!

Apology first - you foul-mouthed, foul-minded ideologues totally distraught over the loss of Higginsgate, then Voicegate, then Aussiegate (the wild accusation of changing his link). And PillPerth - one of the more rabid, narrow-minded, least sought after opinionists on the planet....

APOLOGYOLYPSE NOW


Where have I used the term 'rape apologists?'
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Reply #130 - Oct 28th, 2023 at 1:03pm
 
Aussie wrote on Oct 28th, 2023 at 12:24pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 28th, 2023 at 12:09pm:
Been done already - read it.

Now for the REAL meat!

RAPE APOLOGISTS


Throwing that insult around with gay abandon requires an apology from Aussie and PillPerth - some time about NOW!

Apparently there is an accusation of a minor sexual assault during consensual sex, made six weeks after the event when the accuser found out who was who in her bed - and immediately thought - "Fame and fortune!".

Think of it now - anonymous while Il Bruce is hung, drawn and quartered (he has a history of no convictions, you understand) - the 'go public, with a book deal, film rights, and a 'foundation' set up at someone else's expense to 'further the cause of rape of women' etc.... and which just happens to pay its founder - say - a quarter of a mill or so salary annually plus all perks!

My god how the money rolls in when you grab a popular and unthinking cause by the balls and run with it!!

Apology first - you foul-mouthed, foul-minded ideologues totally distraught over the loss of Higginsgate, then Voicegate, then Aussiegate (the wild accusation of changing his link). And PillPerth - one of the more rabid, narrow-minded, least sought after opinionists on the planet....

APOLOGYOLYPSE NOW


Where have I used the term 'rape apologists?'


Don't worry about the dickhead Aussie....The Crappler has no problem attacking woman who make sexual assault allegations yet defends the accused in every instance....Crappler has no problem proving he is a complete wanker....Crappler is a well known misogynist arsehole!!!

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Reply #131 - Oct 29th, 2023 at 11:17am
 
The Lehrmann time line:



March, 2019, the Canberra incident occurs.

August 2021, Lehrmann charged with the Canberra incident.

September 2021, The Canberra incident first mention in the ACT Court and Lehrmann is given bail.

Within a MONTH....October, 2012, The Toowoomba incident occurs while Lehrmann is on bail for the Canberra incident.

October 2022, the Trial for the Canberra incident is aborted (Jury misconduct.)

December 2022, Toowoomba Cops issue a Notice to Appear for the Toowoomba incident.

January, 2023, first Court mention for the Toowoomba incident.  Name suppressed.

October, 2023, name released.
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Reply #132 - Oct 29th, 2023 at 4:27pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Oct 28th, 2023 at 1:03pm:
Aussie wrote on Oct 28th, 2023 at 12:24pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Oct 28th, 2023 at 12:09pm:
Been done already - read it.

Now for the REAL meat!

RAPE APOLOGISTS


Throwing that insult around with gay abandon requires an apology from Aussie and PillPerth - some time about NOW!

Apparently there is an accusation of a minor sexual assault during consensual sex, made six weeks after the event when the accuser found out who was who in her bed - and immediately thought - "Fame and fortune!".

Think of it now - anonymous while Il Bruce is hung, drawn and quartered (he has a history of no convictions, you understand) - the 'go public, with a book deal, film rights, and a 'foundation' set up at someone else's expense to 'further the cause of rape of women' etc.... and which just happens to pay its founder - say - a quarter of a mill or so salary annually plus all perks!

My god how the money rolls in when you grab a popular and unthinking cause by the balls and run with it!!

Apology first - you foul-mouthed, foul-minded ideologues totally distraught over the loss of Higginsgate, then Voicegate, then Aussiegate (the wild accusation of changing his link). And PillPerth - one of the more rabid, narrow-minded, least sought after opinionists on the planet....

APOLOGYOLYPSE NOW


Where have I used the term 'rape apologists?'


Don't worry about the dickhead Aussie....The Crappler has no problem attacking woman who make sexual assault allegations yet defends the accused in every instance....Crappler has no problem proving he is a complete wanker....Crappler is a well known misogynist arsehole!!!

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The Glitch was first fielded during the failed attacks
by the FTLW Front on the Lefty Bank against Isreal.

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in stopping and bringing down every
single rocket fired by the FTLW Front
the Glitch was further developed into, firstly
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then the Super Stealth Glitch.

Further development was halted when a peace deal was brokered
between the FTLW Front and Isreal, but remaining Glitches
were kept in reserve and on alert for rapid deployment.

The Stealth Glitch and Super Stealth Glitch were
retained on active service as a defensive deterrent
in the event of any future FTLW Front attacks
from the Lefty Bank, or in the event
of any Ham-ass attacks from the Gaga Strip.

Possessing a 100% kill ratio, and the radar signature
of a sparrow fart on a windy day,
the Super Stealth Glitch is being rapidly deployed
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Civilians are warned to keep a low profile to prevent
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So, Preliminary Hear is set for 17th June, 2024 and the Complainant is to be cross-examined.  This is progress.

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Reply #136 - Feb 26th, 2024 at 2:03pm
 
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Reply #137 - Feb 26th, 2024 at 2:15pm
 
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/date-set-for-bruce-lehrmann-s-lawyers-t...

Might not go ahead... what have you got against poor old Bruce anyway?  What did he ever do to you?

"Lawyers for Bruce Lehrmann will grill witnesses in June as they seek to have allegations he raped a woman in Toowoomba in 2021 dismissed without proceeding to trial.

The former Liberal staffer is facing two charges of rape relating to an incident in Toowoomba in October 2021.

The 28-year-old, who is on bail, is yet to enter a plea although his legal team have indicated he will deny the allegations.

His barrister, Patrick Wilson, flagged his intention to cross-examine witnesses during a committal hearing in December.

At Toowoomba magistrates court on Monday, Wilson told the magistrate, Mark Howden, that he and the crown prosecutor, Nicole Friedewald, had agreed to the scope of cross-examinations – a process he anticipated would take half a day.
Howden set a committal cross-examination for 17 June, enlarged bail and ordered the parties file a draft order outlining that agreement by Friday, in a hearing that lasted less than three minutes.

Lehrmann, who is yet to appear in person before the Toowoomba magistrates court, was excused from December’s hearing as he was attending a federal court defamation trial against Network Ten and journalist Lisa Wilkinson in Sydney. He did not appear in Toowoomba on Monday."
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Beyond reasonable doubt, I conclude that he raped that woman in Parliament House.

I suspect he did the same in Toowoomba given the striking similarity between the two scenarios, but the Toowoomba case has some worrying quirks to it.

The bloke is a c
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Reply #139 - Feb 26th, 2024 at 4:13pm
 
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Beyond reasonable doubt, I conclude that he raped that woman in Parliament House.

I suspect he did the same in Toowoomba given the striking similarity between the two scenarios, but the Toowoomba case has some worrying quirks to it.

The bloke is a c
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who has eluded Justice, so far.


YOU concluded - thank you.... now move on. YOU suspect... 'striking similarities' - doesn't that ring any other alarm bells for you?

Quirks, all right - this Toowoomba girl had NO problems until she found out who this was.... now let's see what the COURTS come up with, shall we?
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What a novel idea!!!!

The first effective part of that Court process is due on the 17th June, and there is no 'point' in between which has to be gotten
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Aussie wrote on Feb 26th, 2024 at 4:01pm:
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Beyond reasonable doubt, I conclude that he raped that woman in Parliament House.

I suspect he did the same in Toowoomba given the striking similarity between the two scenarios, but the Toowoomba case has some worrying quirks to it.

The bloke is a c
unt
who has eluded Justice, so far.



I think he & Higgins are cut from the same cloth then?

Meanwhile Higgins is leading the high life living in France off her multi million dollar taxpayer funded payout(for loss of earnings & future unemployment) and she's working.

Her taking that cash & fleeing the country... instead of staying here & seeing him prosecuted for the supposed rape puts a doubt over her accusation being true.

At least Lerhmann is here to face the courts.
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Rubbish.  That rape has gone unpunished and will not be resurrected.
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Rubbish.  That rape has gone unpunished and will not be resurrected.


So it's not a rape since it was never proven?
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Reply #144 - Feb 27th, 2024 at 11:23pm
 
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What a novel idea!!!!

The first effective part of that Court process is due on the 17th June, and there is no 'point' in between which has to be gotten
'past' as you stupidly asserted.


You mean a court has no right to check on the veracity and integrity of prosecution witnesses using things like mobile messaging and internet messaging that may cast light on motives and such???

'asserted'?  Where? I stated clearly that there is a point beyond which this case has to proceed, either to dismissal or to trial, based on the outcome of an analysis and interrogation of relevant witnesses and public records.

I am but a poor messenger of the news.....what if such records lead to an abandonment of this allegation?

What will be your reaction?  Bring on the lynch mob?

Seriously you need to stay out of any discussion of Lehrmann .... Lehrmann Obsession Syndrome has got you ...  you've LOSt it...
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Reply #145 - Feb 28th, 2024 at 11:22am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 27th, 2024 at 11:21pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 27th, 2024 at 10:41am:
Rubbish.  That rape has gone unpunished and will not be resurrected.


So it's not a rape since it was never proven?


Got the shyster there. Grin

And he condones the taxpayer 5 minute payout.

More like hush, go away money.
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So....as already foreshadowed above, it gets serious tomorrow.  From the little tidbits already known, this prosecution is nowhere near as clear cut as the Higgins rape.

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The Higgins case was clear cut?  Out of whole cloth perhaps... it was sort of like The French Lieutenant's Woman - a different ending every day.
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Justice blinded.

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Justice blinded.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-17/bruce-lehrmann-rape-charges-tooowoomba-magistrates-court/103985466


Okay...so fair enough.

But if he is committed to stand trial, the details must be made public.
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 27th, 2024 at 11:21pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 27th, 2024 at 10:41am:
Rubbish.  That rape has gone unpunished and will not be resurrected.


So it's not a rape since it was never proven?


What an absurd statement. If I punch you in the head  and get away with it  does that mean I never punched you in the head

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John Smith wrote on Jun 17th, 2024 at 5:44pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 27th, 2024 at 11:21pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 27th, 2024 at 10:41am:
Rubbish.  That rape has gone unpunished and will not be resurrected.


So it's not a rape since it was never proven?


What an absurd statement. If I punch you in the head  and get away with it  does that mean I never punched you in the head

You people are getting ridiculous Roll Eyes


It means that without a conviction you are not guilty of punching anyone in the head - it doesn't mean it didn't happen - just that it is not proven or not put to trial.  As for Bruce - he was put to trial and the trial abandoned - ergo - he is not a rapist.

You truly have the most primitive way of non-thinking, Smith..... stick to simple abuse - it's more your style.
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It means that without a conviction you are not guilty of punching anyone in the head - it doesn't mean it didn't happen


you didn't say anything about a 'conviction' when you came up with this stupidity

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Aussie wrote on Jun 17th, 2024 at 5:41pm:
Aussie wrote on Jun 17th, 2024 at 5:38pm:
Justice blinded.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-17/bruce-lehrmann-rape-charges-tooowoomba-magistrates-court/103985466


Okay...so fair enough.

But if he is committed to stand trial, the details must be made public.


Why?  I would have thought that such 'sensitive' matters should be done in a way to protect all parties.  Fair's fair, innit?  Oh - sorry - this is Australia - you're standing in it .... our 'jurisprudence' is still based on the Feudal system of prerogative for the 'better' types....so clearly the ruin of one person's reputation in entirety and for life is nothing compared to 'protecting' the right of some accuser to not be named.....

That's Smith kind of non-thinking ..... the accused has no rights at all.....

Is it his piggy eyes?  Why did it take THIS sheila three weeks to work out that Bruce rooted her and therefore she could get five minutes of fame while remaining protected from scrutiny - even in a court so biased these days towards men accused of such things - not to mention her 'victim's compensation payment'.... worth a lot in Toowoomba...

I knew an Aboriginal guy - in the slammer for 'kidnapping some fifteen year old girl' who was clearly arm-in-arm with him but then figured she could get $50k from complaining... once someone explained it to her.
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 17th, 2024 at 6:05pm:
Aussie wrote on Jun 17th, 2024 at 5:41pm:
Aussie wrote on Jun 17th, 2024 at 5:38pm:
Justice blinded.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-17/bruce-lehrmann-rape-charges-tooowoomba-magistrates-court/103985466


Okay...so fair enough.

But if he is committed to stand trial, the details must be made public.


Why?  I would have thought that such 'sensitive' matters should be done in a way to protect all parties.  Fair's fair, innit?  Oh - sorry - this is Australia - you're standing in it .... our 'jurisprudence' is still based on the Feudal system of prerogative for the 'better' types....so clearly the ruin of one person's reputation in entirety and for life is nothing compared to 'protecting' the right of some accuser to not be named.....

That's Smith kind of non-thinking ..... the accused has no rights at all.....

Is it his piggy eyes?  Why did it take THIS sheila three weeks to work out that Bruce rooted her and therefore she could get five minutes of fame while remaining protected from scrutiny - even in a court so biased these days towards men accused of such things - not to mention her 'victim's compensation payment'.... worth a lot in Toowoomba...

I knew an Aboriginal guy - in the slammer for 'kidnapping some fifteen year old girl' who was clearly arm-in-arm with him but then figured she could get $50k from complaining... once someone explained it to her.


You don't pay much attention to anything anyone says other than yourself, right Grappler?  Your transmit/receive ratio says you are deaf and blind.  You just send out crap.

You are obviously not aware of the recent changes to the Law in Qld about naming people charged with rape before they have been committed for trial.  I opposed the change.

But, once a person HAS been committed for trial, then, names should come out as well as the details.
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Now then, smith - I take it then that you are OK with someone simply accusing you of punching them in the head and despite your denials and the clear lack of evidence, you will be convicted and punished forever and even if not found guilty will be held to be responsible for life - let's say in this case - reciprocal agreement for Bruce - for punching a girl?

WTF is the matter with you, Il Duce?  Lack of brainpower gone to your head?
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Aussie wrote on Jun 17th, 2024 at 6:25pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 17th, 2024 at 6:05pm:
Aussie wrote on Jun 17th, 2024 at 5:41pm:
Aussie wrote on Jun 17th, 2024 at 5:38pm:
Justice blinded.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-17/bruce-lehrmann-rape-charges-tooowoomba-magistrates-court/103985466


Okay...so fair enough.

But if he is committed to stand trial, the details must be made public.


Why?  I would have thought that such 'sensitive' matters should be done in a way to protect all parties.  Fair's fair, innit?  Oh - sorry - this is Australia - you're standing in it .... our 'jurisprudence' is still based on the Feudal system of prerogative for the 'better' types....so clearly the ruin of one person's reputation in entirety and for life is nothing compared to 'protecting' the right of some accuser to not be named.....

That's Smith kind of non-thinking ..... the accused has no rights at all.....

Is it his piggy eyes?  Why did it take THIS sheila three weeks to work out that Bruce rooted her and therefore she could get five minutes of fame while remaining protected from scrutiny - even in a court so biased these days towards men accused of such things - not to mention her 'victim's compensation payment'.... worth a lot in Toowoomba...

I knew an Aboriginal guy - in the slammer for 'kidnapping some fifteen year old girl' who was clearly arm-in-arm with him but then figured she could get $50k from complaining... once someone explained it to her.


You don't pay much attention to anything anyone says other than yourself, right Grappler?  Your transmit/receive ratio says you are deaf and blind.  You just send out crap.

You are obviously not aware of the recent changes to the Law in Qld about naming people charged with rape before they have been committed for trial.  I opposed the change.

But, once a person HAS been committed for trial, then, names should come out as well as the details.


Ah, yes - the old Law that is Not a Law because it is not applied equally... in this case, the accused can be named and ruined for life regardless of the outcome - the accuser can just waltz away regardless of the finding.... and suffer no consequences.

Back in the Dark Ages - the Overlord cannot be wrong!  Even back in the dim days of the English Civil War, Parliament went to great lengths during the fighting to say that it was not the King at fault - it was his advisors.... Cromwell changed their minds at sword point though .... but Cromwell was a fanatic, no?  and wanted blood ....???

Any of this ringing a bell for you yet?

I oppose unequal treatment in any situation.... well - at least the 'courts' have listened to what I've been posting here for ages - voice in the wilderness - and are stating PRECISELY what 'native title' means on the ground ...... what is permitted and what is not - instead of the open slather they created for so long with their vacuous 'findings' and statements.

'Ere ya go, me old Austareicher Camp Guard:-

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1684277855

Now then - you agree that Smith should be convicted of punching a girl in the head even though it is not proven against him or his trial was abandoned, and should suffer punishment to character for life as a result.. carry the stigma for life?
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Now then, smith - I take it then that you are OK with someone simply accusing you of punching them in the head and despite your denials and the clear lack of evidence, you will be convicted and punished forever and even if not found guilty will be held to be responsible for life - let's say in this case - reciprocal agreement for Bruce - for punching a girl?

WTF is the matter with you, Il Duce?  Lack of brainpower gone to your head?



Who was convicted dumbarse? Your last post was that he wasn't convicted   now your pretending he was.  Cheesy Cheesy
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"It was opposed by Hoare, the crown prosecutor and the alleged victim."

"In the Third Reich we take our grammar very seriously....  so this Hoare was both the crown prosecutor and the victim?"

"No... I meant Hoare the defence lawyer, and the crown prosecutor, and the victim..."

"Ah, we are making headway... so have you seen this victim?"

"No, we have not seen no victims here..."

"You have seen SOME victims then?"

"No - no victims here.... only alleged victims..."

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John Smith wrote on Jun 17th, 2024 at 7:41pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 17th, 2024 at 6:35pm:
Now then, smith - I take it then that you are OK with someone simply accusing you of punching them in the head and despite your denials and the clear lack of evidence, you will be convicted and punished forever and even if not found guilty will be held to be responsible for life - let's say in this case - reciprocal agreement for Bruce - for punching a girl?

WTF is the matter with you, Il Duce?  Lack of brainpower gone to your head?



Who was convicted dumbarse? Your last post was that he wasn't convicted   now your pretending he was.  Cheesy Cheesy
Are you drunk or just going senile?


You are going in circles, Monsieur Les Balles-Petits..... it is clear that this Lehrmann was not convicted .... so you have not seen no rapist there.... correct?  Not even some rapist... but NO rapist at all.... if you were to idiotically punch someone in the head... there would be evidence to support a complaint ........... so ... one last question, M Les Balles-Petits...... and if you answer incorrectly you are coming ... with... me...... be careful of your answer....... Did you ever see the person Lehrmann rape any girl or woman or did you ever see any substantial evidence that showed that he did?

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Brittany Higgins was found naked in Senator Linda Reynolds' office.
Linda Reynolds 'Oh yes, our karma mindful people work naked.'
Pauline Hanson 'Always were, always will be naked. I'm a proud culture tribal from a mission for my nation'.
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"You are obviously not aware of the recent changes to the Law in Qld about naming people charged with rape before they have been committed for trial. "


I'm aware of it, it was put in place at the same time the Federal ICAC passed with the amended law including that no one under investigation could be name
Basically ensuring one rule for politicians and the exact opposite for everyone else in the country.

Seems fair, definitely the Albo way!
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You are going in circles, Monsieur Les Balles-Petits..... it is clear that this Lehrmann was not convicted .... so you have not seen no rapist there.



Of course he's a rapist. That he wasn't convicted doesn't alter that fact one iota.
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 17th, 2024 at 11:37pm:
one last question, M Les Balles-Petits...... and if you answer incorrectly you are coming ... with... me...... be careful of your answer....... Did you ever see the person Lehrmann rape any girl



My god you're a cretin. I didn't see Jack the ripper kill anyone either. Does that mean he was innocent? You get more ludicrous with each comment
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John Smith wrote on Jun 18th, 2024 at 10:00am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 17th, 2024 at 11:37pm:
You are going in circles, Monsieur Les Balles-Petits..... it is clear that this Lehrmann was not convicted .... so you have not seen no rapist there.



Of course he's a rapist. That he wasn't convicted doesn't alter that fact one iota.



Hang on, he was found to have raped Brittany in a Civil court ( I'm not been actually following it closely) , not a criminal court.

That is a huge difference.

That's why he isn't in jail or has offence recorded against him.

This is a total different matter being held in a criminal court.

Despite what I may believe I will wait till we have a court decision before saying his a rapiest.
I noticed Albos NRL mate Haynes has had his rape charges dismissed. Maybe Albo pulled some strings?
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Reply #165 - Jun 18th, 2024 at 2:54pm
 
Daves2017 wrote on Jun 18th, 2024 at 11:18am:
John Smith wrote on Jun 18th, 2024 at 10:00am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 17th, 2024 at 11:37pm:
You are going in circles, Monsieur Les Balles-Petits..... it is clear that this Lehrmann was not convicted .... so you have not seen no rapist there.



Of course he's a rapist. That he wasn't convicted doesn't alter that fact one iota.



Hang on, he was found to have raped Brittany in a Civil court ( I'm not been actually following it closely) , not a criminal court.

That is a huge difference.

That's why he isn't in jail or has offence recorded against him.

This is a total different matter being held in a criminal court.

Despite what I may believe I will wait till we have a court decision before saying his a rapiest.
I noticed Albos NRL mate Haynes has had his rape charges dismissed. Maybe Albo pulled some strings?

Yeah, he has a direct line into all the Appeal Court Judges.

Lehrmann has been adjudicated as a rapist.  That it.  Lehrmann is a rapist.

If he had won the defamation action, Lisa Wilkinson and Ch 10 would accurately be described as defamers.
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Reply #166 - Jun 18th, 2024 at 4:28pm
 
Daves2017 wrote on Jun 18th, 2024 at 11:18am:
John Smith wrote on Jun 18th, 2024 at 10:00am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 17th, 2024 at 11:37pm:
You are going in circles, Monsieur Les Balles-Petits..... it is clear that this Lehrmann was not convicted .... so you have not seen no rapist there.



Of course he's a rapist. That he wasn't convicted doesn't alter that fact one iota.



Hang on, he was found to have raped Brittany in a Civil court ( I'm not been actually following it closely) , not a criminal court.

That is a huge difference.

That's why he isn't in jail or has offence recorded against him.

This is a total different matter being held in a criminal court.

Despite what I may believe I will wait till we have a court decision before saying his a rapiest.
I noticed Albos NRL mate Haynes has had his rape charges dismissed. Maybe Albo pulled some strings?



The courts don't decide if he's a rapist,  the courts only decide if there is enough evidence to convict him of the crime.  Lots of criminals are criminals despite never having been charged or found guilty.
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Lehrmann has been adjudicated as a rapist.  That it.  Lehrmann is a rapist.

Nah, s51 ACT Crimes Act is Rape. Civil naughty boy is riposte, ripper or rapport. Probably. Betcha.
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Reply #168 - Jun 18th, 2024 at 7:45pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jun 18th, 2024 at 4:28pm:
Daves2017 wrote on Jun 18th, 2024 at 11:18am:
John Smith wrote on Jun 18th, 2024 at 10:00am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 17th, 2024 at 11:37pm:
You are going in circles, Monsieur Les Balles-Petits..... it is clear that this Lehrmann was not convicted .... so you have not seen no rapist there.



Of course he's a rapist. That he wasn't convicted doesn't alter that fact one iota.



Hang on, he was found to have raped Brittany in a Civil court ( I'm not been actually following it closely) , not a criminal court.

That is a huge difference.

That's why he isn't in jail or has offence recorded against him.

This is a total different matter being held in a criminal court.

Despite what I may believe I will wait till we have a court decision before saying his a rapiest.
I noticed Albos NRL mate Haynes has had his rape charges dismissed. Maybe Albo pulled some strings?



The courts don't decide if he's a rapist,  the courts only decide if there is enough evidence to convict him of the crime.  Lots of criminals are criminals despite never having been charged or found guilty.


That may be - but you are not allowed to publicly defame them.  You can think you 'know' they are criminals - but your don't really know, same as Bruce here - you might think he done it - you have no proof that he did- you cannot tell people far and wide that he is a rapist - you can only say you think he done it.

You are a rapist..... we all know that....   Shocked  Shocked  Shocked
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Reply #169 - Jun 18th, 2024 at 7:51pm
 
Daves2017 wrote on Jun 18th, 2024 at 11:18am:
John Smith wrote on Jun 18th, 2024 at 10:00am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 17th, 2024 at 11:37pm:
You are going in circles, Monsieur Les Balles-Petits..... it is clear that this Lehrmann was not convicted .... so you have not seen no rapist there.



Of course he's a rapist. That he wasn't convicted doesn't alter that fact one iota.



Hang on, he was found to have raped Brittany in a Civil court ( I'm not been actually following it closely) , not a criminal court.

That is a huge difference.

That's why he isn't in jail or has offence recorded against him.

This is a total different matter being held in a criminal court.

Despite what I may believe I will wait till we have a court decision before saying his a rapiest.
I noticed Albos NRL mate Haynes has had his rape charges dismissed. Maybe Albo pulled some strings?


No - he was not - the judge offered an assertion of his unsupported by evidence personal view - this looks like a case of the 'judge' playing it both ways - each way bet - says he done it without evidence thus opening the door for a review finding he was not guilty on the evidence - Bruce walks but the baying gang at the door is sated in their hunger to drink the blood of the pig, Lord Of The Flies style... Kill the Pig!  Drink His Blood!!

It's cowardly jurisprudence or done under orders...... you don't imagine that 'judges' rub shoulders with the scum of the earth do you, or chat about cases over a glass of fine whiskey with the enemies of the people - the poor who are bent on upsetting the gravy train?

This is a clear case of that lawfare discussed earlier - same with Jarryd Hayne - the Crown, as accuser, has unlimited funds and can thus choose to attack over and over to try to seek a result favourable to the Crown - the accused - the Hayne or Lehrmann type single defendant, has no such unlimited pot of gold and is therefore, in most cases, forced to simply give up at some point or be ruined for life.

No greater form of rape of legal rights and social and economic rights can take place and be seen to take place outside of a despotic Stalinist or similar type society - and this is a cancer on the breast of justice herself.  Furthermore, most witnesses are paid by the State and thus have no burden to bear and have a clear conflict of interest ..... funding for a prosecution must be strictly limited to the same as is available to a defendant.
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Reply #170 - Jun 18th, 2024 at 7:56pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 18th, 2024 at 7:45pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 18th, 2024 at 4:28pm:
Daves2017 wrote on Jun 18th, 2024 at 11:18am:
John Smith wrote on Jun 18th, 2024 at 10:00am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 17th, 2024 at 11:37pm:
You are going in circles, Monsieur Les Balles-Petits..... it is clear that this Lehrmann was not convicted .... so you have not seen no rapist there.



Of course he's a rapist. That he wasn't convicted doesn't alter that fact one iota.



Hang on, he was found to have raped Brittany in a Civil court ( I'm not been actually following it closely) , not a criminal court.

That is a huge difference.

That's why he isn't in jail or has offence recorded against him.

This is a total different matter being held in a criminal court.

Despite what I may believe I will wait till we have a court decision before saying his a rapiest.
I noticed Albos NRL mate Haynes has had his rape charges dismissed. Maybe Albo pulled some strings?



The courts don't decide if he's a rapist,  the courts only decide if there is enough evidence to convict him of the crime.  Lots of criminals are criminals despite never having been charged or found guilty.


That may be - but you are not allowed to publicly defame them. 


Sure I can. It's not defamation if it's true and a judge has already ruled that it is true.

Try to keep up Roll Eyes
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Reply #171 - Jun 18th, 2024 at 8:07pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jun 18th, 2024 at 7:56pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 18th, 2024 at 7:45pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 18th, 2024 at 4:28pm:
Daves2017 wrote on Jun 18th, 2024 at 11:18am:
John Smith wrote on Jun 18th, 2024 at 10:00am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 17th, 2024 at 11:37pm:
You are going in circles, Monsieur Les Balles-Petits..... it is clear that this Lehrmann was not convicted .... so you have not seen no rapist there.



Of course he's a rapist. That he wasn't convicted doesn't alter that fact one iota.



Hang on, he was found to have raped Brittany in a Civil court ( I'm not been actually following it closely) , not a criminal court.

That is a huge difference.

That's why he isn't in jail or has offence recorded against him.

This is a total different matter being held in a criminal court.

Despite what I may believe I will wait till we have a court decision before saying his a rapiest.
I noticed Albos NRL mate Haynes has had his rape charges dismissed. Maybe Albo pulled some strings?



The courts don't decide if he's a rapist,  the courts only decide if there is enough evidence to convict him of the crime.  Lots of criminals are criminals despite never having been charged or found guilty.


That may be - but you are not allowed to publicly defame them. 


Sure I can. It's not defamation if it's true and a judge has already ruled that it is true.

Try to keep up Roll Eyes


It's not 'true' because the judge in a civil matter asserts it to be so like some prosecutor and without compelling evidence - it is only true when properly upheld to the proper standard in a proper court controlled by the laws of criminal justice.  When Bruce walks on appeal, will you then say the same?

Have you ever heard of Angela Davis?  Black activist in the US in the 1960's ... criticise her claimed political affiliations if you wish, but look into her actual work..... she said once, about the power of the state to intrude at whim and without let:-

"If they come for me in the morning - they will come for you at night!"  ... meaning that once one individual's rights can be abrogated at will by the overpowering state with all its money and power and armed force - every single individual is equally vulnerable.  That is why no Bruce can be left to die a lonely social and economic death on the basis of pure accusation ONLY - if that passes ... the same will apply to all at the whim of the State.

Guilt by accusation has no place in law or jurisprudence.... this 'judge' was wrong.
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What's the matter crappler,  you've been crapping on about how he can only be found guilty in a court.   Well sucked in to you  since a judge in a court of law ruled he is guilty. 

Or are you only pro courts when you agree with the ruling? I bet you're also a closet Trump supporter. After all,  you like rapists. Cheesy
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It's not 'true' because the judge in a civil matter asserts it to be so like some prosecutor and without compelling evidence -

In civil cases, the claim you are making is more probable than not. 51% is enough.
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What's the matter crappler,  you've been crapping on about how he can only be found guilty in a court.   Well sucked in to you  since a judge in a court of law ruled he is guilty. 

Or are you only pro courts when you agree with the ruling? I bet you're also a closet Trump supporter. After all,  you like rapists. Cheesy



So why isn't he already in jail for the crime?
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A crime is beyond reasonable doubt. That suggests 100%.
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Gnads wrote on Jun 18th, 2024 at 8:29pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 18th, 2024 at 8:13pm:
What's the matter crappler,  you've been crapping on about how he can only be found guilty in a court.   Well sucked in to you  since a judge in a court of law ruled he is guilty. 

Or are you only pro courts when you agree with the ruling? I bet you're also a closet Trump supporter. After all,  you like rapists. Cheesy



So why isn't he already in jail for the crime?


Because it wasn't a criminal trial
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John Smith wrote on Jun 18th, 2024 at 8:42pm:
Gnads wrote on Jun 18th, 2024 at 8:29pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 18th, 2024 at 8:13pm:
What's the matter crappler,  you've been crapping on about how he can only be found guilty in a court.   Well sucked in to you  since a judge in a court of law ruled he is guilty. 

Or are you only pro courts when you agree with the ruling? I bet you're also a closet Trump supporter. After all,  you like rapists. Cheesy



So why isn't he already in jail for the crime?


Because it wasn't a criminal trial


... and therefore he wasn't convicted and is therefore not legally a rapist.
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 18th, 2024 at 8:07pm:
It's not 'true' because the judge in a civil matter asserts it to be so like some prosecutor and without compelling evidence -

In civil cases, the claim you are making is more probable than not. 51% is enough.


...and possibility as in this case - not probability - is not truth.  It's a best guess and a personal opinion - an assertion rather than a proven fact.

Perhaps you could explain that 51% in Bruce's case then???  Lay out your 51% for us all including this 'judge'....

I'll start for you...... she makes an accusation days later without any solid evidence ... and remember - Bruce is your daughter here and the punishment is slow hanging .....

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 19th, 2024 at 6:26am:
John Smith wrote on Jun 18th, 2024 at 8:42pm:
Gnads wrote on Jun 18th, 2024 at 8:29pm:
John Smith wrote on Jun 18th, 2024 at 8:13pm:
What's the matter crappler,  you've been crapping on about how he can only be found guilty in a court.   Well sucked in to you  since a judge in a court of law ruled he is guilty. 

Or are you only pro courts when you agree with the ruling? I bet you're also a closet Trump supporter. After all,  you like rapists. Cheesy



So why isn't he already in jail for the crime?


Because it wasn't a criminal trial


... and therefore he wasn't convicted and is therefore not legally a rapist.



Hea a rapist.  Legally or not.  A rapist.  And you've done nothing but defend the snivelling little rapist from the beginning.
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 19th, 2024 at 6:32am:
chimera wrote on Jun 18th, 2024 at 8:17pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 18th, 2024 at 8:07pm:
It's not 'true' because the judge in a civil matter asserts it to be so like some prosecutor and without compelling evidence -

In civil cases, the claim you are making is more probable than not. 51% is enough.


...and possibility as in this case - not probability - is not truth.  It's a best guess and a personal opinion - an assertion rather than a proven fact.

Perhaps you could explain that 51% in Bruce's case then???  Lay out your 51% for us all including this 'judge'....

I'll start for you...... she makes an accusation days later without any solid evidence ... and remember - Bruce is your daughter here and the punishment is slow hanging .....

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Grappler, have you yet read Judge Lee's decision?  (It is all laid out there beautifully.)
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"Bruce Lehrman raped Brittany Higgins."

(You cannot get any clearer conclusion.)

Those are the words of Judge Lee.
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Perhaps you could explain that 51% in Bruce's case then??? 

Yes. There were two people, Bruce is 50% with 40% Abv whisky blood-alcohol = Brittany unconscious and legless and Bruce bought 100% of her moonshine.  Bruce had more testosterone and she had no shoes.
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And because it was a civil case no conviction was recorded and he walked out a free man.

The same judge cast serious doubts on the credibility of the accused

Brittney and Lisa

It's important you note the accused was Britney and Lisa.

They were on trial not Bruce.

Regardless, this trial in Toowoomba may be interesting.

As this time Bruce is the accused and may finally be found guilty.

How does he rack up all these legal bills and still appear live a wealthy life?

Liberal party donors looking after him?
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Duh.

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There were no 'accused' in the sense the word is usually understood.

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Brittney and Lisa

It's important you note the accused was Britney and Lisa.


Higgins was not a party to the action.  Wilkinson was, as a Defendant, not as an 'accused.'

The other Defendant was Ch. 10, also not an 'accused.'

Wilkinson and Ch 10 were claimed to have defamed Lehrmann.  They pleaded a 'truth' defence.  That is, what they allegedly asserted, ie that Lehrmann raped Higgins, was true.

The Judge found:

"Bruce Lehrmann raped Brittany Higgins."
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on the balance of probabilities.
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chimera wrote on Jun 19th, 2024 at 12:56pm:
on the balance of probabilities.



Indeed - and you have first to have a set of probabilities to balance...... one simple accusation without supporting evidence does not carry the day... guilt by accusation does not hold in our courts.

This 'judge' made an uneducated guess and an assertion without any real probability.... hence Bruce will win on appeal.  This is remarkably similar to the first 'trial', which should never have gone to trial other than as a sop thrown to the baying crowd outside the doors of the court with their lynching ropes in their hands and flaming brands.... a cowardly move in all ways by those responsible for courts and law .... so someone organised that it would be derailed - and then.... surprise of surprises - that case was held in such high regard in terms of a possible guilty verdict that it was never resumed..... was never going to happen on the available 'evidence' - which was exclusively 'Elle Accuse!'

Show me what makes up this predominance of 'probability' in favour of the accuser in this 'civil' matter ...... lay it all out for us step by step.....
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And because it was a civil case no conviction was recorded and he walked out a free man.


Duh.

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There were no 'accused' in the sense the word is usually understood.

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Brittney and Lisa

It's important you note the accused was Britney and Lisa.


Higgins was not a party to the action.  Wilkinson was, as a Defendant, not as an 'accused.'

The other Defendant was Ch. 10, also not an 'accused.'

Wilkinson and Ch 10 were claimed to have defamed Lehrmann.  They pleaded a 'truth' defence.  That is, what they allegedly asserted, ie that Lehrmann raped Higgins, was true.

The Judge found
asserted without evidence let alone proof
:  he could not make a legal finding on that 'evidence'.

"Bruce Lehrmann raped Brittany Higgins."


Where is the PROOF?  Where the 'balance of probabilities'?  Lay it out for us step by step and show the road to an inescapable conclusion ........................................    Grin
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The judge like anyone can express the view of Brucie dun it.
It's not a conviction, crime or even liability for herpes. Two drunk twits are very likely in it. No proof anyone is a twit.
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 19th, 2024 at 4:22pm:
chimera wrote on Jun 19th, 2024 at 12:56pm:
on the balance of probabilities.



Indeed - and you have first to have a set of probabilities to balance...... one simple accusation without supporting evidence does not carry the day... guilt by accusation does not hold in our courts.

This 'judge' made an uneducated guess and an assertion without any real probability.... hence Bruce will win on appeal.  This is remarkably similar to the first 'trial', which should never have gone to trial other than as a sop thrown to the baying crowd outside the doors of the court with their lynching ropes in their hands and flaming brands.... a cowardly move in all ways by those responsible for courts and law .... so someone organised that it would be derailed - and then.... surprise of surprises - that case was held in such high regard in terms of a possible guilty verdict that it was never resumed..... was never going to happen on the available 'evidence' - which was exclusively 'Elle Accuse!'

Show me what makes up this predominance of 'probability' in favour of the accuser in this 'civil' matter ...... lay it all out for us step by step.....


Right here.
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Reply #191 - Jun 19th, 2024 at 5:04pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jun 19th, 2024 at 4:47pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 19th, 2024 at 4:22pm:
chimera wrote on Jun 19th, 2024 at 12:56pm:
on the balance of probabilities.



Indeed - and you have first to have a set of probabilities to balance...... one simple accusation without supporting evidence does not carry the day... guilt by accusation does not hold in our courts.

This 'judge' made an uneducated guess and an assertion without any real probability.... hence Bruce will win on appeal.  This is remarkably similar to the first 'trial', which should never have gone to trial other than as a sop thrown to the baying crowd outside the doors of the court with their lynching ropes in their hands and flaming brands.... a cowardly move in all ways by those responsible for courts and law .... so someone organised that it would be derailed - and then.... surprise of surprises - that case was held in such high regard in terms of a possible guilty verdict that it was never resumed..... was never going to happen on the available 'evidence' - which was exclusively 'Elle Accuse!'

Show me what makes up this predominance of 'probability' in favour of the accuser in this 'civil' matter ...... lay it all out for us step by step.....


Right here.


Just lay it out point by point.... make it clear.... I'll start again...

. she said
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. she said

'Hi Bruce, How's it going.'
'Great'
'Good. Will you be at the bar?'
'Yep. Sure. I'm just posting to Ozpol'
'Aren't they just cool? I always read aquascoot and LTYC'.
'And Frank. He's a big hitter'
'Graps is nuts, but'
'Yeah'
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 19th, 2024 at 5:04pm:
Aussie wrote on Jun 19th, 2024 at 4:47pm:
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chimera wrote on Jun 19th, 2024 at 12:56pm:
on the balance of probabilities.



Indeed - and you have first to have a set of probabilities to balance...... one simple accusation without supporting evidence does not carry the day... guilt by accusation does not hold in our courts.

This 'judge' made an uneducated guess and an assertion without any real probability.... hence Bruce will win on appeal.  This is remarkably similar to the first 'trial', which should never have gone to trial other than as a sop thrown to the baying crowd outside the doors of the court with their lynching ropes in their hands and flaming brands.... a cowardly move in all ways by those responsible for courts and law .... so someone organised that it would be derailed - and then.... surprise of surprises - that case was held in such high regard in terms of a possible guilty verdict that it was never resumed..... was never going to happen on the available 'evidence' - which was exclusively 'Elle Accuse!'

Show me what makes up this predominance of 'probability' in favour of the accuser in this 'civil' matter ...... lay it all out for us step by step.....


Right here.


Just lay it out point by point.... make it clear.... I'll start again...

. she said
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In 17 minutes, you have NOT read the Judgement where it is all set out .
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Aussie wrote on Jun 19th, 2024 at 5:36pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 19th, 2024 at 5:04pm:
Aussie wrote on Jun 19th, 2024 at 4:47pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 19th, 2024 at 4:22pm:
chimera wrote on Jun 19th, 2024 at 12:56pm:
on the balance of probabilities.



Indeed - and you have first to have a set of probabilities to balance...... one simple accusation without supporting evidence does not carry the day... guilt by accusation does not hold in our courts.

This 'judge' made an uneducated guess and an assertion without any real probability.... hence Bruce will win on appeal.  This is remarkably similar to the first 'trial', which should never have gone to trial other than as a sop thrown to the baying crowd outside the doors of the court with their lynching ropes in their hands and flaming brands.... a cowardly move in all ways by those responsible for courts and law .... so someone organised that it would be derailed - and then.... surprise of surprises - that case was held in such high regard in terms of a possible guilty verdict that it was never resumed..... was never going to happen on the available 'evidence' - which was exclusively 'Elle Accuse!'

Show me what makes up this predominance of 'probability' in favour of the accuser in this 'civil' matter ...... lay it all out for us step by step.....


Right here.


Just lay it out point by point.... make it clear.... I'll start again...

. she said
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In 17 minutes, you have NOT read the Judgement where it is all set out .


I thought that you, knowing it all - could just cut to the chase and save us the trouble of reading that sludge... it's obvious that the 'judge' was dancing with himself.... all we need is the salient points - some of us have real things to do - but we know already what the 'evidence' amounted to in THAT allegation.

. she said
. he said
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Where is the compelling balance?  In his mind?  His incredible psychic powers?  His ability to leap tall tales in a single bound?  His inability to discern the difference between various witnesses who are all equally suspect?

Where are the issues that go into this 'balance'?  In his head?  Does he support trannies and unrestricted giving in to demands by specified groups?  Is he a willing participant in the program to reduce true legal and social and economic rights for all eventually - starting with men with piggy eyes?  Does he consider piggy eyes a clear sign of guilt?  Does he consider hiding the payout in a 'trust' and vanishing it overseas to be signs of innocence and of guaranteed integrity in witness?

If all those appearing were suspicious - where is his balance?  In his head.... ONLY!!  He WANTED it that way... or even worse, was instructed to go that way..... by his political masters intent on their agenda .... chopping down first the legal rights of one group - then the rest.... remember Angela Davis? If they come for Bruce in the morning - they will come for Smith at night ... please make it so.... that would wake one hell of a lot of the Woke up... one at a time and go for the easy meat - the piggy guy with piggy eyes.... one at a time..... slowly but surely.....

Royal Commission into the judiciary and into jurisprudence required NOW!

Now let's move on to real issues - Bruce is clearly innocent and has been done a grievous wrong time and again .... so let's just keep that one on the books and move to this... when will those Gazan Enablers of Terrorism move to Gaza and help out?
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Is there some time limit on reading this mind-numbing nonsense to justify the unjustifiable prejudice and bias in a 'court'?

Why not just join the Woke Anti-Bruce crowd and get out the lynching ropes for the judge? Fair's fair... let's just lynch everyone accused instantly and get it over with .....
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Is there some time limit on reading this mind-numbing nonsense to justify the unjustifiable prejudice and bias in a 'court'?

Why not just join the Woke Anti-Bruce crowd and get out the lynching ropes for the judge? Fair's fair... let's just lynch everyone accused instantly and get it over with .....


Or maybe...read the Judgement so are so stupidly critical of....not having even read it.
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Where is the compelling balance?  In his mind? 

Nah. The witnesses are shredded into curable monomers and photinitiators in 3D printouts, without handcuffs at all good retail outlets.
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Reply #198 - Jun 19th, 2024 at 7:10pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jun 19th, 2024 at 6:01pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 19th, 2024 at 5:59pm:
Is there some time limit on reading this mind-numbing nonsense to justify the unjustifiable prejudice and bias in a 'court'?

Why not just join the Woke Anti-Bruce crowd and get out the lynching ropes for the judge? Fair's fair... let's just lynch everyone accused instantly and get it over with .....


Or maybe...read the Judgement so are so stupidly critical of....not having even read it.


Far easier to just read through the salient points.  When I put up the COMPLETE voice proposal and the COMPLETE Cass Review into trannyism - I also took the time to put up the relevant bits such as points in Cass etc.

Surely you can see that this court has more important things to do than look over an assertion that stands on a single piece of verbal statement.... read through page after page of self-justifying bullshit - and arrive at the exact same situation.

We don't need to read it to know that

.she said

Was the only evidence.  Nothing to balance there at all.

Let's try again...

. she said
............................................. (CRICKETS) ...............................................

We're waiting..... just admit the 'judge' was out of order in condemning a defendant purely on the basis that the defendant was accused = guilt by accusation..... nothing to balance in any way.

On the other hand, it's long past time for the 'judiciary' to be put on trial for doing this kind of thing..... we all know that Judge John Deed with his innate sense of fairness doesn't exist, right?  We all know that Living With The Enemy isn't a documentary, right?  We all know that there are COUNTLESS PROBABILITIES of what may have actually occurred at that time and in that place  - ERGO - EVIDENCE was required for any 'judgement' or 'balance of probabilities' - not assumption, supposition, tea-leaf reading, 'feeling pressured by the mob', tender feelings towards the 'victims' who complain and suffer so terribly while the poor bastard accused apparently just rides over it in a haughty fashion suffering nothing, being a mammy's boy and thinking women can do no wrong and that unequal treatment before the law = preferential treatment for women is normal and right.... none of these may come into it.......

Get out the lynching ropes and fiery brands, boys... go after the judge.... grab and hang those who demand guilt by accusation .... it's rule of the loudest screeching mob out there so cast aside your civilised constraints and give it back to them equally....  sad, innit?  You drew down the thunder....    Grin  Grin  Grin

OK -

.she said ........................................... (crickets) ................................................

And?  AND??
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BRUCE said.
Brucey!
Bruce said I said she said.
The winner ees....
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Reply #200 - Jun 19th, 2024 at 8:08pm
 
See what happens when you put the ONE simple question? 

Where is the evidence?

Off they go on all sorts of wild tangents, speculations, assumptions, suppositions.... tea leaf readings ... sessions with psychics..... 'feeling' their way with eyes closed and  'getting in touch with their inner prejudice' .... pressured to come up with 'the right answer' to suit the prevailing climate of wild howling at the door (Jesus - any thinking person would instantly reject any demand from the likes of those 'women' who are so intent on instant hanging, drawing and quartering without a moment's hesitation... their clear blood lust and utter lack of humanity or rational thought - but listen to them baying at the moon outside the gates and instilling fear in the namby-panties who sit in the seats of power - and none of them is in a mental institution these days - those are all closed!) **....... learning to weigh it up and reasoning that the end justifies the means and only a few will be harmed anyway................

................... then they make the c*nts a judge...... and turn them loose on an unsuspecting public steeped in American law shows where the judge is always above such things and it's only the lawyers who are grubby ....

** Sergeant At Arms!  Remove that baying crowd from the steps of this court - and if they refuse to leave, summon the Army Reserve to shift them by whatever means are necessary!  We will not have this court cowed by screeching baboons baying for blood ...
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Reply #201 - Jun 19th, 2024 at 8:19pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jun 19th, 2024 at 4:47pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 19th, 2024 at 4:22pm:
chimera wrote on Jun 19th, 2024 at 12:56pm:
on the balance of probabilities.



Indeed - and you have first to have a set of probabilities to balance...... one simple accusation without supporting evidence does not carry the day... guilt by accusation does not hold in our courts.

This 'judge' made an uneducated guess and an assertion without any real probability.... hence Bruce will win on appeal.  This is remarkably similar to the first 'trial', which should never have gone to trial other than as a sop thrown to the baying crowd outside the doors of the court with their lynching ropes in their hands and flaming brands.... a cowardly move in all ways by those responsible for courts and law .... so someone organised that it would be derailed - and then.... surprise of surprises - that case was held in such high regard in terms of a possible guilty verdict that it was never resumed..... was never going to happen on the available 'evidence' - which was exclusively 'Elle Accuse!'

Show me what makes up this predominance of 'probability' in favour of the accuser in this 'civil' matter ...... lay it all out for us step by step.....


Right here.


Crikey... this could be a fit-up then... they've been accused of overwhelming bias before..... think I'll look it up on sky News..... now - what channel is that again?  Damn - for an old Boomer who trawls Sky to find hate stuff my links are sure overwhelmingly ABC, Guardian and a few others - Sky is a rarity!!

I'm beginning to suspect that most of these 'Wokes' are just plain stupid........ or maybe illiterate.....

Let's just call it 'Lee' - leave 'justice' out of it..... just for plain speaking ... the only scales of justice he knows are the scales over his own eyes....

Free Bruce!!



... wait a minute.... he hasn't been convicted - he IS free... gonna have to find a new cause... unlike the Woke - they can just find a cause anywhere ... at the drop of a hat...

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he hasn't been convicted -

Gold. you struck the mother lode. You made every useless paragraph worthwhile.
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Reply #203 - Jun 19th, 2024 at 8:52pm
 
chimera wrote on Jun 19th, 2024 at 8:46pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 19th, 2024 at 8:19pm:
he hasn't been convicted -

Gold. you struck the mother lode. You made every useless paragraph worthwhile.


The thing is - I'm always right - and don't they all hate it?  All them Wokes - a little more choke and they might get their brain started - then maybe into gear.... this is from Aliens 1949....

...


Still basking in the full outlay by the Federal Court about what Native Title actually means..... they finally worked out that you need to explain it to not cause trouble all the time over nothing..... this land is my land, this land is your land .... got an eye on those 'government bodies' though - the local tribes says they won't change anything or stuff anything up - but they don't run the show - the 'educated' do-gooders in their fat jobs in Bris-Brain do that for them - and for everyone else... so one whine about the Glass Houses being 'sacred'.... and off she goes again.... those fat cat bastards will do anything to justify their jobs - which need to be abolished.

On the streets with them... send 'em all to Tent City.... it'll be worse if Labor get back in at State level... their agenda is separate from everyone else's .... but they've got the power - they must be right, no?

Now - how can they go about chopping down the flimsy protection of 'innocent until proven guilty beyond any reasonable doubt' and 'right to confront one's accuser'?  Keep taking Bruce and Jarryd to the courts until they get something on them..... give them a Mau Mau trial by the British where the witnesses sat behind a curtain with a hood on and pointed to the accused they wanted guilty ...... don't laugh.... that's what these sheilas get to do....while - astonishingly - garnering sympathy as 'victims' in 'need' of not having their faces shown as they accuse, accuse, accuse....

As a civilised country - we are going rapidly backwards....  I blame the governments for allowing the feminists free runs without deserving it ... YOU?  That started the rot of this 'feelings trump all' bullshit.... now look at the joint?  Every stop pulled out to get someone on the basis of some claimed 'feeling'...... I suppose you missed it - being so young and uneducated in life....
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I suppose you missed it

Certainly did. I've been gold-digging at Mt Warning behind the Mau Mau curtain, feeling my way in the darkies and femines, fat cats and flimsy. Bruce was there on the whisky and witness whoppers, working backwards.
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**ears perk up** ... Gold digging?  Hmm - yeee-ussshh - gold and fire thunder eggs from volcanic activity!  Of course!!  I'll have to do the Mt Warning climb one day - still getting over heart failure... I'll get there even if I have to stop fifty times!!

I made it up Cape Hawke lookout - had to stop about a dozen times, though...

                                           
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Reply #206 - Jun 20th, 2024 at 12:34am
 
**wakes up**

There ya go - read it - still the same....

. she said .....

He has assumed that sexual contact took place - but the evidence is hazy at best.

There will be no guilt by accusation in this country - not officially - though as  lawyer, Aussie, you will know that is more upheld in the breach than in the keeping- and countless people have been convicted on nothing more substantial than accusation and even when the evidence shows the opposite.  The general rule has been that 'courts' have found guilt as a matter of upholding police policy, regardless of facts and even realities.

So it is here.... this 'judge' has assumed that because they went there at that time - for whatever reason - sex actually took place.  There are countless reasons to say that it just as likely did not, so he mumbles on about how 'language' has changed somehow and so the meaning of RAPE has changed to mean pretty much anything. 

There is not even evidence that Bruce took off any of her clothing etc, and the available witnesses - the security girls - noted TWO DIFFERENT STAGES OF UNDRESS, both after Bruce had left..... the first one said 'partially clothed, dress up.  (and??)  The second said 'naked'.  There is a big difference and clearly the state of undress changed in the absence of Bruce - so what is there to say he ever touched even any of her clothing?

Assumption and prejudice and willingness to find guilt where there is no evidence.  Appeal won.... which is what was intended with this farcical finding same as the farcical criminal trial (The Trial That Never Was) - the baying crowd is satisfied they 'got' the piggy-eyed bastard and feel all chuffed and go down a few white wines - so they go away happy - then the 'verdict' is overturned on appeal and back to square one, and Ten and Lisa negotiate a settlement.

Meantime attempts continue to try to make out that Bruce is an essentially evil person - with some second unnamed, masked sheila working out several weeks after he allegedly porked her in Toowoomba who he was, and thinking to herself - "Five minutes of fame and a few lazy thou for victim money!"

And Lawfare is in play - the 'prosecution' is funded to the roof, the witnesses are paid by the state - the defendant - no job etc - has to find money to launch any defence or rely on 'Legal Aid' (two lies for the price of one) that will help sink his case for him.

And none dare call it Injustice...... but I do!  J'Accuse!!
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thinking to herself - "Five minutes of fame and a few lazy thou for victim money!"
the defendant - no job etc - has to find money to launch any defence or rely on 'Legal Aid' (two lies for the price of one) that will help sink his case for him.

Judge Grapps convicts the girl on his own rumour.
'Lehrmann's lawyer, Paul Svilans, told the court his firm, Mark O'Brien Legal, acted for the former Liberal staffer on a no-win no fee basis.'
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chimera wrote on Jun 20th, 2024 at 3:54am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 20th, 2024 at 12:34am:
thinking to herself - "Five minutes of fame and a few lazy thou for victim money!"
the defendant - no job etc - has to find money to launch any defence or rely on 'Legal Aid' (two lies for the price of one) that will help sink his case for him.

Judge Grapps convicts the girl on his own rumour.
'Lehrmann's lawyer, Paul Svilans, told the court his firm, Mark O'Brien Legal, acted for the former Liberal staffer on a no-win no fee basis.'
(two lies for the price of one)


Didn't convict anyone - case not proven... just working with the balance of probabilities there... how probable is it that she would pork this guy not recognise him and only after working out who he was several weeks later, not see this as a golden opportunity?  NEXT!!

Lessee now - pick-up somewhere sleazy ... what's your name... (let's just call him Mal Gibson) .. she doesn't recognise his face after it's been displayed millions of times ... takes him off somewhere and shags him - wakes up next morning with a smile on her face and goes about her business for several weeks..... sees his picture (well - looks like him) and says - "OMG!  I porked THE Bruce!  that means he must have raped me!"  Off to the coppers who rub their hands together in glee - we're on the map boys and girls .. promotions ahead!  So it's into court again with about zero evidence, and a lot of negative and even stupid evidence... and Bruce has to suffer for months and be spread far and wide as a raping mongrel.  Didn't she go back for seconds?

I sincerely hope it happens to some of you and soon.... the suicide rate would go up dramatically since you're all such wimps these days you can't trust your own truth any more but need it force fed to you.

Oh ... sorry .... feelings trump all..... she 'felt' raped' ...... when it became convenient.

Now that you mention it, chimie - she should be prosecuted when the case fails.
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Reply #209 - Jun 20th, 2024 at 1:52pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 20th, 2024 at 1:46pm:
chimera wrote on Jun 20th, 2024 at 3:54am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 20th, 2024 at 12:34am:
thinking to herself - "Five minutes of fame and a few lazy thou for victim money!"
the defendant - no job etc - has to find money to launch any defence or rely on 'Legal Aid' (two lies for the price of one) that will help sink his case for him.

Judge Grapps convicts the girl on his own rumour.
'Lehrmann's lawyer, Paul Svilans, told the court his firm, Mark O'Brien Legal, acted for the former Liberal staffer on a no-win no fee basis.'
(two lies for the price of one)


Didn't convict anyone - case not proven... just working with the balance of probabilities there... how probable is it that she would pork this guy not recognise him and only after working out who he was several weeks later, not see this as a golden opportunity?  NEXT!!

Lessee now - pick-up somewhere sleazy ... what's your name... (let's just call him Mal Gibson) .. she doesn't recognise his face after it's been displayed millions of times ... takes him off somewhere and shags him - wakes up next morning with a smile on her face and goes about her business for several weeks..... sees his picture (well - looks like him) and says - "OMG!  I porked THE Bruce!  that means he must have raped me!"  Off to the coppers who rub their hands together in glee - we're on the map boys and girls .. promotions ahead!  So it's into court again with about zero evidence, and a lot of negative and even stupid evidence... and Bruce has to suffer for months and be spread far and wide as a raping mongrel.  Didn't she go back for seconds?

I sincerely hope it happens to some of you and soon.... the suicide rate would go up dramatically since you're all such wimps these days you can't trust your own truth any more but need it force fed to you.

Oh ... sorry .... feelings trump all..... she 'felt' raped' ...... when it became convenient.

Now that you mention it, chimie - she should be prosecuted when the case fails.


Where did you get all that from Grappler? The evidence has largely been suppressed.
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It's the Grappy whisky talking.
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All in the early reports put about by Aussie.... every little bit in the papers...

Stop making up fantasy stories you guys...
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Reliable information that the juror who left the information on a table so as to allow the court to ceased the initial trial has been identified via ct and confirm via other juror and if the camera is correct?

Oh dear, when at first you seek to.........
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Demand from Chanel #10 to bankrupt Bruce..... not quite but got your attention away from your navel for ad few seconds:-

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/network-ten-requests-bruce-lehrmann-pay...

Lawfare at its very best - they know he's broke after years of brutal and unconvicted punishment.... so now they try to sneak out of it by buldozing him over money - what IS it they are afraid of?  You can't imagine the appeal court will throw the 'judge' 'Mindreader' Lee comment out, do you?  For lack of evidence you understand.
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Ooooh - lookee this one!

"Justice Lee found, “it is more likely than not that Mr Lehrmann’s state of mind was such that he was so intent upon gratification to be indifferent to Ms Higgins’ consent, and hence went ahead with sexual intercourse without caring whether she consented.”

So Bruce - being a man - is so intent on 'having his way' that nothing would stop him... and that is the sole basis on which Mind-reader Lee said " 'e must 'ave done it!  You know what blokes are like!"

Does that amazing stereotype also apply to you, 'Mr' Lee?  And all your male friends and male relatives?  This is, after all - 2024...... not 1954, you know.... and I was of the belief that one of the foundations of 'feminism' was that 'stereotypes' were out of the game.... and yet you cling to this as your ONLY excuse for asserting that a man was guilty despite the absolute lack of ANY corroborative evidence.

A bloke cleared to work in one of the highest and most secure offices in the country is a lust-crazed monster?

The bloke has a girlfriend at home yet is so overcome - at that single time - by lust that he cannot control himself with young Brittany sprawled drunk and dress up wearing no pants all night already on the minister's couch - who - let's face it - is hardly that exciting a prospect.

Where is the evidence of intercourse having taken place - to be placed in the 'balance'?  Only that Bruce is assumed to be a raging monster with a monster in his pants after downing a heap of spirits all night and the 'judge' has magically read his mindset at that time?

Can someone tell me this - is this Lee a poof without a single real idea of what a Man is and does?  He sure sounds like a mammy's boy.

No wonder they're all running scared... and are trying to push Broke Bruce out of the game using Lawfare.

Your right to be innocent stops at the end of your bank balance.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-17/annabel-crabb-lehrmann-judgment-a-lesson-...
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Interesting dramatis personae:-

https://www.afr.com/companies/media-and-marketing/destined-for-greatness-lehrman...

Hmmm - old mates on the 'right' side of Hang the Pig, Drink His Blood.  I mean we all know how Labor views poor suffering women - to this day they are short-changed in pay, don' cha know - despite being paid on average 7-10% more per actual hour worked than men?

Once a victim, always a victim and Lee is on 'the right side' here.

The best and perhaps only good part of his fatally flawed judgement - is that he set it up to fail - while still getting all the kudos from the 'poor women' groups with their flaming brands and lynch ropes.... the mad mob.

Now wonder Australia is in rack and ruin.... split endlessly into small loud-voiced groups who are then paid off to vote one way or the other, one by one, while the majority take it all on the chin.

Another charlatan in a seat way above his capabilities.... and it will never cost him one cent... when his judgement is dismissed as nonsensical, he will still be a hero.....  Poor Fellow - My Country.
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The last paragraph: 'There is much in humanity to be feared, and there is much to admire. But let us never make the error of assuming that the more furiously and sharply we attempt to draw the line in between, the closer we are to truth'.
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chimera wrote on Jun 23rd, 2024 at 6:26am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 23rd, 2024 at 5:36am:

The last paragraph: 'There is much in humanity to be feared, and there is much to admire. But let us never make the error of assuming that the more furiously and sharply we attempt to draw the line in between, the closer we are to truth'.


Translates:-  the loudest megaphone does not always speak the truth.

Did one of those online tests - bet none of youse buggars would agree with this - mothracorp think I'm a right wing masked executioner of anything smarmy:-

"You're outgoing, intuitive, social, and thrive on your interactions with people. You're deeply empathetic and you easily connect with people. Sometimes this is a bit exhausting, and you often need time alone to recharge your emotional batteries. Emotional intelligence is key to building social relationships. It enables you to reach out, connect, empathize with others and communicate with a sense of mutual understanding. You know how to read people and you feel energized from your rich and meaningful social life. You're a genuine healer at heart, beloved by all."


Bloke asked me recently if I'd lost any patients - he was one o' them trans-supporters - I said NO - you can find them all in the morgue or the graveyard or the funeral parlour, with their gonads intact.

It's a pity someone - Michael Cimino - already did Shutter Island, where a 'patient' is loose among the inmates as a federal agent and is on the run and finding out things....  imagine a film about a young doctor slotted into a 'transgender' ward....... with all The Madness laid out to see......  suffering, bleeding children etc, butchery of sound body parts, Norman Bates Florence Nightingales with carving knives,'psychologists' like SS doctors, etc (this one to the left... this one to the left... this one to the left)...... and asking self HTF any medical professional could do such things .... wondering if he/she had wandered into a mad house:-

First they take you down to the cells in the basement of Ward C, Teddy... then they put on the restraints so tight your balls and tits ache..... they come back and tighten 'em over and over until your tits and balls are almost gone ... they fill you up with artificial chemicals 'til you don't even know yourself any more... then they drug you up with artificial hormones and fill you with tranquilisers and pain killers.... and they drag you up to the light house and cut into your guts and chop out your gonads..... you gotta get us all off this island, Teddy.. PLEASE!!

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"Yes, Justice Lee declared, he thought Bruce Lehrmann lied about things. Yes, he thought journalists had got things wrong, or fanned the flames of conspiracy where one did not necessarily exist. Yes, he thought Brittany Higgins misremembered things and allowed her fear that reporting the rape would ruin her career to curdle into a conviction that dark forces were conspiring to bring about that result for political purposes."

Well - there's your shades of grey right there.... this one is called CLEAR BIAS!  He lied - she 'deliberately disremembered' through unfounded fear for which there was no foundation at all.  In other words - he's a dirty boy in the schoolyard and she's a goody two-shoes girl.... anything he says, does or is accused of - he's wrong.... she can never be wrong.

Appeal found in favour of Bruce.

**Lee is a Catholic School boy ... that should tell you a lot.... maybe the priests beat the Virgin Mary into him - no wrong can be done by womanhood and boys one school, girls another and private schools at that.  Again - what would the thinking 'feminist' say .... if indeed there is such a thing....?
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Crappler is certainly triggered  Grin Grin
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 23rd, 2024 at 7:08am:
the loudest megaphone

'Did you do it Bruce?'
'Probably not'
'What happened?'
'She was full of whisky, no shoes, no pants, dress pulled up. I was doing paperwork'
'And..?'
'Probably not'.
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Smith's up - we've got a bite on the line..... he's triggered..... we're all braced for his usual intellectual case to be presented to us.... bile and accusation, put down and other nonsense - no 'fifty shades of grey jurisprudence' there... just pure black, baby... Pure Black Heart and Soul.

Free Bruce!!! Bruce was Innocent!!
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Probably. Or not.
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chimera wrote on Jun 23rd, 2024 at 7:35am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 23rd, 2024 at 7:08am:
the loudest megaphone

'Did you do it Bruce?'
'Probably not'
'What happened?'
'She was full of whisky, no shoes, no pants, dress pulled up. I was doing paperwork'
'And..?'
'Probably not'.


The most the judge could suggest (suggest only) was that they probably went there for an 'assignation' - she dropped off - he said "F
u
ck this!"  And went home..... there is nothing to indicate that any intercourse took place.

(ahem)  What Did His Girlfriend At Home Have To Say About When He Got There?  Did he smell of pussy?  Do you need another ROFL emoticon?  Of course not - he smelt of a fresh shower in Reynold's office shower!!!!  As in WTF??  How about TWO ROFL emoticons?

In simple English - the judge was wrong - he knew he was wrong - he was playing that game of 'playing Solomon' and finding one way at the same time as the other and leaving it open to appeal, thus appeasing the blood-crazed mob at the door while opening the door for reality - meaning he did not have the balls of his own convictions and is therefore not suited to be a judge.

She said - he said - he lied about OTHER things, she simply didn't tell the truth about other things....  world of difference .... sure, sure... we believe you... in other words - he's a bloke and therefore guilty of LUST!! - she's the Virgin Mary...


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What Did His Girlfriend At Home Have To Say About When He Got There?  Did he smell of pussy? 

Probably. It was more like dribbled Johnny Walker, paper-clips, gents urinal disinfectant, hand wash, polyester, car fumes and girlfriend's fried chips with palmolive.
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Ooooh - lookee this one!

"Justice Lee found, “it is more likely than not that Mr Lehrmann’s state of mind was such that he was so intent upon gratification to be indifferent to Ms Higgins’ consent, and hence went ahead with sexual intercourse without caring whether she consented.”

So Bruce - being a man - is so intent on 'having his way' that nothing would stop him... and that is the sole basis on which Mind-reader Lee said " 'e must 'ave done it!  You know what blokes are like!"

Does that amazing stereotype also apply to you, 'Mr' Lee?  And all your male friends and male relatives?  This is, after all - 2024...... not 1954, you know.... and I was of the belief that one of the foundations of 'feminism' was that 'stereotypes' were out of the game.... and yet you cling to this as your ONLY excuse for asserting that a man was guilty despite the absolute lack of ANY corroborative evidence.

A bloke cleared to work in one of the highest and most secure offices in the country is a lust-crazed monster?

The bloke has a girlfriend at home yet is so overcome - at that single time - by lust that he cannot control himself with young Brittany sprawled drunk and dress up wearing no pants all night already on the minister's couch - who - let's face it - is hardly that exciting a prospect.

Where is the evidence of intercourse having taken place - to be placed in the 'balance'?  Only that Bruce is assumed to be a raging monster with a monster in his pants after downing a heap of spirits all night and the 'judge' has magically read his mindset at that time?

Can someone tell me this - is this Lee a poof without a single real idea of what a Man is and does?  He sure sounds like a mammy's boy.

No wonder they're all running scared... and are trying to push Broke Bruce out of the game using Lawfare.

Your right to be innocent stops at the end of your bank balance.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-17/annabel-crabb-lehrmann-judgment-a-lesson-...


From the mouth of Higgins as she was in the witness box sworn to tell the truth, that's where.
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An open and shut case.
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 23rd, 2024 at 5:36am:
Ooooh - lookee this one!

"Justice Lee found, “it is more likely than not that Mr Lehrmann’s state of mind was such that he was so intent upon gratification to be indifferent to Ms Higgins’ consent, and hence went ahead with sexual intercourse without caring whether she consented.”

So Bruce - being a man - is so intent on 'having his way' that nothing would stop him... and that is the sole basis on which Mind-reader Lee said " 'e must 'ave done it!  You know what blokes are like!"

Does that amazing stereotype also apply to you, 'Mr' Lee?  And all your male friends and male relatives?  This is, after all - 2024...... not 1954, you know.... and I was of the belief that one of the foundations of 'feminism' was that 'stereotypes' were out of the game.... and yet you cling to this as your ONLY excuse for asserting that a man was guilty despite the absolute lack of ANY corroborative evidence.

A bloke cleared to work in one of the highest and most secure offices in the country is a lust-crazed monster?

The bloke has a girlfriend at home yet is so overcome - at that single time - by lust that he cannot control himself with young Brittany sprawled drunk and dress up wearing no pants all night already on the minister's couch - who - let's face it - is hardly that exciting a prospect.

Where is the evidence of intercourse having taken place - to be placed in the 'balance'?  Only that Bruce is assumed to be a raging monster with a monster in his pants after downing a heap of spirits all night and the 'judge' has magically read his mindset at that time?

Can someone tell me this - is this Lee a poof without a single real idea of what a Man is and does?  He sure sounds like a mammy's boy.

No wonder they're all running scared... and are trying to push Broke Bruce out of the game using Lawfare.

Your right to be innocent stops at the end of your bank balance.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-17/annabel-crabb-lehrmann-judgment-a-lesson-...


From the mouth of Higgins as she was in the witness box sworn to tell the truth, that's where.


Ah - so no merit in 'from the mouth of Lehrmann as he was in the witness box sworn to tell the truth'?  We have two standards now wherein the accuser is  deemed to have more merit than the accused, and even more so when the accuser is a woman?  A one hundred and eighty degree turnaround and utter destruction of Law, sonny.

You are no lawyer, Aussie - and clearly you are one of those campaigners for the destruction of the cultured Western standards and ways of law - flawed as they are  and often more upheld in the breach than in the keeping - but they DID contain guarantees for some safety from malicious prosecution for the accused.

Ne passerons!!  Hundreds of years of upward mobility in Rights for an accused - especially in this convict colony founded nation - which were just beginning to bear fruit with the royal commissions into police and the flow-on from that to 'magistrates' and their follies - and along came you lot with your demand for super special treatment for the accuser - as long as the accuser is a woman and is backed by a pack at the doors of the court with fiery brands and lynching ropes, and supported by cowardly 'judiciary'.

One day I would like to see one of those baying crowds dispersed as they should be.....

I blame the feminists entirely for this.. they started this whining and bitching and megaphoning bullshit that is ruining the West in the hands of idiots. YOU?
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On the basis of an utter lack of corroborative evidence and equally of physical evidence - Lehrmann should never have been brought to trial.

The utter cowardice of the DPP and the judiciary in this series of matters is noted for future reference.... those sworn to uphold the right have plunged into the sewer of upholding wrong, and have done so gleefully and willingly.**

Free Bruce!!



**Do you know one clear indication of psychopathy?  The gleefulness with which such a person will inflict harm on another without valid reason... will actually think it is right and somehow 'fun'... gleefully rubbing their hands together over 'getting that bloke with piggy eyes'.... pack of prancing poofs behaviour - not the behaviour of men
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It's just possible that Mr Pig Eyes realised he was in the office of Minister Reynolds and did a quick white wash of the evidence. The security gestapo did an eye ball but not couch crawl with surgical wipes to detect DNA wrigglers. CCTV was not working, true, but did Bruce hang his undies over the lens?
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 23rd, 2024 at 12:11pm:
On the basis of an utter lack of corroborative evidence and equally of physical evidence - Lehrmann should never have been brought to trial.

The utter cowardice of the DPP and the judiciary in this series of matters is noted for future reference.... those sworn to uphold the right have plunged into the sewer of upholding wrong, and have done so gleefully and willingly.**

Free Bruce!!



**Do you know one clear indication of psychopathy?  The gleefulness with which such a person will inflict harm on another without valid reason... will actually think it is right and somehow 'fun'... gleefully rubbing their hands together over 'getting that bloke with piggy eyes'.... pack of prancing poofs behaviour - not the behaviour of men


Plenty of that...all carefully identified by Judge Lee.

"Bruce Lehrmann raped Brittany Higgins."
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'Hullo. Security?'
'Yes speaking'
'Look I've got this loopy girl interfering with my report here. Can you help her to leave?'
'We'll be there. Where are you?'
'erm.. arhhh..Senator Reynolds office...'
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Brittany was not sure if she had been raped. That gives me the impression about the state of inebriation she was in at the time.
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UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 23rd, 2024 at 4:58pm:
Brittany was not sure if she had been raped. That gives me the impression about the state of inebriation she was in at the time.


She was unequivocally sure she had been penetrated by Lehrmann.  She was unsure if the consent aspect would be an issue because of her inebriation.

I wish you blokes would bloody read the Judgement as when you do, you will see that all this is well explained by the Judge.
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The judgement in the defamation case Lehrmann had raised in court?
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The judgement in the defamation case Lehrmann had raised in court?


Matey.....it is the ONLY judgement in the matter of Lehrmann and Higgins.

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UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 23rd, 2024 at 5:16pm:
The judgement in the defamation case Lehrmann had raised in court?


Matey.....it is the ONLY judgement in the matter of Lehrmann and Higgins.

There is no other.


Have you got a link? I am not sure where to look. All I have found is this: https://www.fedcourt.gov.au/services/access-to-files-and-transcripts/online-file...
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Aussie wrote on Jun 23rd, 2024 at 9:46am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 23rd, 2024 at 5:36am:
Ooooh - lookee this one!

"Justice Lee found, “it is more likely than not that Mr Lehrmann’s state of mind was such that he was so intent upon gratification to be indifferent to Ms Higgins’ consent, and hence went ahead with sexual intercourse without caring whether she consented.”

So Bruce - being a man - is so intent on 'having his way' that nothing would stop him... and that is the sole basis on which Mind-reader Lee said " 'e must 'ave done it!  You know what blokes are like!"

Does that amazing stereotype also apply to you, 'Mr' Lee?  And all your male friends and male relatives?  This is, after all - 2024...... not 1954, you know.... and I was of the belief that one of the foundations of 'feminism' was that 'stereotypes' were out of the game.... and yet you cling to this as your ONLY excuse for asserting that a man was guilty despite the absolute lack of ANY corroborative evidence.

A bloke cleared to work in one of the highest and most secure offices in the country is a lust-crazed monster?

The bloke has a girlfriend at home yet is so overcome - at that single time - by lust that he cannot control himself with young Brittany sprawled drunk and dress up wearing no pants all night already on the minister's couch - who - let's face it - is hardly that exciting a prospect.

Where is the evidence of intercourse having taken place - to be placed in the 'balance'?  Only that Bruce is assumed to be a raging monster with a monster in his pants after downing a heap of spirits all night and the 'judge' has magically read his mindset at that time?

Can someone tell me this - is this Lee a poof without a single real idea of what a Man is and does?  He sure sounds like a mammy's boy.

No wonder they're all running scared... and are trying to push Broke Bruce out of the game using Lawfare.

Your right to be innocent stops at the end of your bank balance.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-17/annabel-crabb-lehrmann-judgment-a-lesson-...


From the mouth of Higgins as she was in the witness box sworn to tell the truth, that's where.


That's why she went there ... it wasn't for a guided tour...

but a guided meat missile she assisted in administering.
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Reply #238 - Jun 23rd, 2024 at 6:17pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jun 23rd, 2024 at 5:14pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 23rd, 2024 at 4:58pm:
Brittany was not sure if she had been raped. That gives me the impression about the state of inebriation she was in at the time.


She was unequivocally sure she had been penetrated by Lehrmann.  She was unsure if the consent aspect would be an issue because of her inebriation.

I wish you blokes would bloody read the Judgement as when you do, you will see that all this is well explained by the Judge.


The Judge wasn't there.
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Usually a judge is there when he reads his judgment. He was in this case.
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Aussie wrote on Jun 23rd, 2024 at 3:59pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 23rd, 2024 at 12:11pm:
On the basis of an utter lack of corroborative evidence and equally of physical evidence - Lehrmann should never have been brought to trial.

The utter cowardice of the DPP and the judiciary in this series of matters is noted for future reference.... those sworn to uphold the right have plunged into the sewer of upholding wrong, and have done so gleefully and willingly.**

Free Bruce!!



**Do you know one clear indication of psychopathy?  The gleefulness with which such a person will inflict harm on another without valid reason... will actually think it is right and somehow 'fun'... gleefully rubbing their hands together over 'getting that bloke with piggy eyes'.... pack of prancing poofs behaviour - not the behaviour of men


Plenty of that...all carefully identified by Judge Lee.

"Bruce Lehrmann raped Brittany Higgins."


OH????  Was it the stained panties?  The clear signs of sex from vaginal check?  The tears and such from forced entry?  The damp spot on the couch - oh, wait.... ?  The Clinton style dress? The scent of a woman after the act?  The reckless grin on her face?

Lee outlined NO corroborative evidence.... there was none - you are fantasising.  All he went on with his ASSERTION (not a verdict) was 'she said' in a drunken state.  There are a thousand other possibilities.... and none of those require any evidence but they do fit the available evidence.  Lee is not fit to be a judge.

Clearly you are part of the problem in demanding that guilt by accusation become the norm... Night and Fog .. the kind of legal treatment only available in the most despotic forms of government in history...  you are no lawyer, Aussie... but you do need some psychiatric help.

Letter to Lee:-  There will be NO 'guilty by accusation' in this country..... best you get back to law school and open your ears.
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chimera wrote on Jun 23rd, 2024 at 6:25pm:
Usually a judge is there when he reads his judgment. He was in this case.



Silly Chimp .... he wasn't in the parliamentary office when the alleged rape took place.
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Aussie wrote on Jun 23rd, 2024 at 5:14pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 23rd, 2024 at 4:58pm:
Brittany was not sure if she had been raped. That gives me the impression about the state of inebriation she was in at the time.


She was unequivocally sure she had been penetrated by Lehrmann.  She was unsure if the consent aspect would be an issue because of her inebriation.

I wish you blokes would bloody read the Judgement as when you do, you will see that all this is well explained by the Judge.


and??????? ..................... (crickets) ............................
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Oh yes but the answer you gave was about her statement in court.
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chimera wrote on Jun 23rd, 2024 at 6:28pm:
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Oh yes but the answer you gave was about her statement in court.


No it wasn't ... it was about the Judges assumptions that he made to justify his decision that she had been raped.

He wasn't there ... it was a he said , she said case.
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Aussie wrote on Jun 23rd, 2024 at 5:14pm:
She was unequivocally sure she had been penetrated by Lehrmann.  She was unsure if the consent aspect would be an issue because of her inebriation.



That's what you were replying to.
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by lust that he cannot control himself with young Brittany sprawled drunk and dress up wearing no pants all night already on the minister's couch - who - let's face it - is hardly that exciting a prospect.

please explain.
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chimera wrote on Jun 23rd, 2024 at 6:35pm:
Aussie wrote on Jun 23rd, 2024 at 5:14pm:
She was unequivocally sure she had been penetrated by Lehrmann.  She was unsure if the consent aspect would be an issue because of her inebriation.



That's what you were replying to.



Ahhhh ... Chimp playing the selective edit bullshyte.

Quote:
I wish you blokes would bloody read the Judgement as when you do, you will see that all this is well explained by the Judge.


That's what I was replying to you half smartarse.
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Gnads wrote on Jun 23rd, 2024 at 6:17pm:
She was unequivocally sure she had been penetrated by Lehrmann.  She was unsure if the consent aspect would be an issue because of her inebriation.

I wish you blokes would bloody read the Judgement as when you do, you will see that all this is well explained by the Judge.

'All this' is her statement. It's clarifying what she claims.

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chimera wrote on Jun 23rd, 2024 at 6:41pm:
Gnads wrote on Jun 23rd, 2024 at 6:17pm:
She was unequivocally sure she had been penetrated by Lehrmann.  She was unsure if the consent aspect would be an issue because of her inebriation.

I wish you blokes would bloody read the Judgement as when you do, you will see that all this is well explained by the Judge.

'All this' is her statement. It's clarifying what she claims.



If she was so inebriated she didn't know what happened, was still there with all her gear off after Lehrmann left...

how could she be unequivocally sure of anything?

And why would anyone one say that's unconditionally a case of rape?

And what Lehrmann claims is of no matter?

Toddle on.
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You've never been drunk Gnads? Some things you forget, random details are in the memory. Girls have memories. The sex stuff has  some focus for them. Probably he done it in the situation but no criminal proof.
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So now the entire burden of proof relies totally on whether or not the accuser is 'unequivocally sure' long after the event and after extreme coaching?

WTF is wrong with you, Aussie?  You used to be a lawyer claimant we could trust - claiming to have defended people from flimsy rape allegations... now you go along with some fantasist 'judge' who says - without any support for the statement, that the alleged perpetrator was overcome by lust and had his way.

Is he maybe thinking of Buford Tannen at school or something?

Let's get this right - the accuser can be as drunk as a skunk, flakes out on a lounge, recollects, after feeling her job is threatened by the late night antics, that she 'wakes up with the guy on top of her' - he has his way leaving no marks or stains etc, there is nothing on him detected when he arrives back home, no test is done, no complaint made until much later,  no substantial evidence is provided to support ANY contention, not one whit of corroborative evidence is offered other than statements made later at a time when the accuser herself says she felt her job was under threat, he 'judge' himself says the accuser was economical with the truth and recollection - and yet the 'judge' finds guilt?

That puts The Kangaroo Court to shame.... and the Pissed At the Pub Tall Story Court as well... the Martin Bryant one... must be the piggy eyes.

Again I ask - on what basis?  Assumptions, reading in selectively, bias, preconception regarding events, prejudice against men.... even poofs can have two kids and be married.... and this guy sure fits the bill... did the big boys at Catholic private school lift his lunch money and his skirts?  Has he ever been psycho-analysed?  He sure needs to be.

Sorry to consistently hold you to simple truths that are verifiable and supported by substantial corroborative evidence, Aussie.... but that's how it is supposed to work.

With that imagination 'judge' Lee could retire to become a movie script writer............................... and earn a motza at it....

Lee's Law!


... when all else fails, call Judge Lee to the bench....


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'by lust that he cannot control himself with young Brittany sprawled drunk and dress up wearing no pants all night already on the minister's couch - who - let's face it - is hardly that exciting a prospect.'
Why do I face it? Why isn't that exciting? hmmm? Age shall not weary him..
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chimera wrote on Jun 23rd, 2024 at 7:01pm:
'by lust that he cannot control himself with young Brittany sprawled drunk and dress up wearing no pants all night already on the minister's couch - who - let's face it - is hardly that exciting a prospect.'
Why do I face it? Why isn't that exciting? hmmm? Age shall not weary him..


So would you mount a drunken passed-out woman on a couch?

I'd at least find her a blanket before going home.... something, BTW - that the security staff should have done at the same time as actually checking very carefully to ensure she hadn't choked on something.  Nah - quick look across the room is enough for those dopey sheilas  in our Department of Defence.... I say it again - give me control over security there...

Aussie said that on the evidence of her word alone, he would frog march his own son to the police station ... only if you wanted to be sure he got his case in first.... but then...... maybe Bruce the ex-employee had no idea at the time that he was being accused when YB was finding her 'job threatened' and needed a way out...  surely not going to police at that time is evidence of an innocent mind..... he did not know he was being accused and therefore did not bother to make any defence.... nor was he afforded any such opportunity in Reynolds' office.  He was hauled in and sacked.... she got the full hearing and an offer of a soft transfer to a quiet place.... she 'felt threatened' - he was already burning on the ground - but hell - that's a man's job, no?  To take all the hits and burn while the woman gets all the medals.....
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She was plonked because he paid for her to be.

'I'd at least find her a blanket before going home.'
Well there ya go.  Bruce and Grapps have different tastes.
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chimera wrote on Jun 23rd, 2024 at 7:24pm:
She was plonked because he paid for her to be.

'I'd at least find her a blanket before going home.'
Well there ya go.  Bruce and Grapps have different tastes.


Not from the cameras at the pub/club - he is shown buying her one drink.

Meanwhile:-

https://eji.org/issues/wrongful-convictions/

You are aware, of course, that I run Australia's Wrongfully Convicted?  In mine - unlike the US model, I make the clear distinction between mistaken allegation/accusation and malicious allegation/accusation.

At this stage I would consider Young Brittany's accusation as 'mistaken' since I cannot see her as a malicious person.... that it is distinctly possible that Bruce is the recipient of the outfall fallout from her unthought-out attempt to cover her own job.  In that case she should have stayed away from the media and not sought the limelight.

Jeffrey Robertson described the reaction of government when under apparent attack - he said it flailed around like a startled octopus without any thought for those it might harm.... it's not a big stretch to consider that Young Brittany would/could have done the same thing...... and once that statement of rape was made - it all got out of control and people are now harmed for life.

I know - let's wait on the Reynolds counter-case...... complete with witnesses present at the time and recordings..... if I were the Minister all such discussions would be recorded as a matter of policy, same as police body-cam - nobody gets out of jail free.  If you have a problem with that - don't work with me.  Cool
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He bought a drink for her. The judge had witness statements.
If you have a problem with that - don't work with me.

'One of the most intriguing research nuggets to emerge: While male sexuality is fairly predictable — they tend to be aroused by naked women'. Did you know that?
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UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 23rd, 2024 at 5:33pm:
Aussie wrote on Jun 23rd, 2024 at 5:29pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 23rd, 2024 at 5:16pm:
The judgement in the defamation case Lehrmann had raised in court?


Matey.....it is the ONLY judgement in the matter of Lehrmann and Higgins.

There is no other.


Have you got a link? I am not sure where to look. All I have found is this: https://www.fedcourt.gov.au/services/access-to-files-and-transcripts/online-file...


This Thread would have been a good place to start!!!!!!!!!!

Link.
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Not at all, there were many other facts established which went to satisfying the burden of proof.

You have not read the Judgement carefully or at all.

Within days, she had complained of being raped, not 'long after the event' at all.
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he has his way leaving no marks or stains etc, there is nothing on him detected when he arrives back home, no test is done,

And there was a spot on the couch, girl friend detected something, tests proved they had sex attachments. Aha, guilty as proved!
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So now the entire burden of proof relies totally on whether or not the accuser is 'unequivocally sure' long after the event and after extreme coaching


Not at all, there were many other facts established which went to satisfying the burden of proof.

You have not read the Judgement carefully or at all.

Within days, she had complained of being raped, not 'long after the event' at all.


'facts'? 

She first complained of rape when interviewed over her presence in the building early on a Saturday morning... that was days later ... and felt her job was under threat - a belief she persisted with despite apparently kind treatment.  Convenience rape accusation.

There were security people present to make an immediate complaint to on waking.... the security staff at the time noted no signs of sex .... blind and noseless .... they noted two different stages of undress when the bloke was nowhere in sight having left hours earlier (tooth fairy?)  ... there were telephones ....  and the list goes on and on... she destroyed potential evidence ... she was less than forthcoming with the truth ... those are all facts ....

Clearly your 'judge' chose to only see 'facts' he wanted to see.... highly preferentially .... clearly you have become obsessed with this to the point where you refuse facts and prefer assertions, the same as he did.

His 'additional facts' are assumptions, suppositions, assertions, follow-on accusations, and other forms of non-proven and non-provable evidence.  He CHOSE to see what he wanted to see in a totally biased way.

Of course, no lawyer can go into an appeal and say that!!  Which shows how very bad our 'jurisprudence' system is.... when simple truths cannot be told for fear of adverse reaction... a 'judge' no matter how flawed, is above criticism in an appeal.... but subject to vilification in public by the baying crowds if/when he makes the 'wrong' decision.

If this weak-cocked guy had made the proper decision - that there was insufficient evidence to say anything - and that Bruce was clearly punished without merit as a result - the outcry in the media and in the baying crowd would have been immense.  So a man suffers for life as a result of cowardice on the bench..... and the accuser is rewarded with millions and heroic status .....

Now then - why do you think he was so right when he was clearly so wrong?


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How would a rape complaint help keep her job? Was she suggesting he dragged her by the hair through the security gate?
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 24th, 2024 at 12:55pm:
Aussie wrote on Jun 24th, 2024 at 9:53am:
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So now the entire burden of proof relies totally on whether or not the accuser is 'unequivocally sure' long after the event and after extreme coaching


Not at all, there were many other facts established which went to satisfying the burden of proof.

You have not read the Judgement carefully or at all.

Within days, she had complained of being raped, not 'long after the event' at all.


'facts'? 

She first complained of rape when interviewed over her presence in the building early on a Saturday morning... that was days later ... and felt her job was under threat - a belief she persisted with despite apparently kind treatment.  Convenience rape accusation.

There were security people present to make an immediate complaint to on waking.... the security staff at the time noted no signs of sex .... blind and noseless .... they noted two different stages of undress when the bloke was nowhere in sight having left hours earlier (tooth fairy?)  ... there were telephones ....  and the list goes on and on... she destroyed potential evidence ... she was less than forthcoming with the truth ... those are all facts ....

Clearly your 'judge' chose to only see 'facts' he wanted to see.... highly preferentially .... clearly you have become obsessed with this to the point where you refuse facts and prefer assertions, the same as he did.

His 'additional facts' are assumptions, suppositions, assertions, follow-on accusations, and other forms of non-proven and non-provable evidence.  He CHOSE to see what he wanted to see in a totally biased way.

Of course, no lawyer can go into an appeal and say that!!  Which shows how very bad our 'jurisprudence' system is.... when simple truths cannot be told for fear of adverse reaction... a 'judge' no matter how flawed, is above criticism in an appeal.... but subject to vilification in public by the baying crowds if/when he makes the 'wrong' decision.

If this weak-cocked guy had made the proper decision - that there was insufficient evidence to say anything - and that Bruce was clearly punished without merit as a result - the outcry in the media and in the baying crowd would have been immense.  So a man suffers for life as a result of cowardice on the bench..... and the accuser is rewarded with millions and heroic status .....

Now then - why do you think he was so right when he was clearly so wrong?




No, a 'man' suffers because he 'raped Brittany Higgins.'

Grappler, do you think he screwed her in that Suite that night? 

Do you think he took here there, pissed, to get the keys to his flat (where his girlfriend was and she could have let him in?) 

Do you think he took here there, pissed, to make some notes (not produced at Trial) about a conversation (no evidence at Trial from the other person in the conversation) about submarines to brief the Minister for a QT which was not due for weeks?

Do you think he took here there, pissed, to share some whiskey he did have there?
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Reply #264 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 1:45pm
 
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A far more useful timeline (for you) would be one setting out the events of that fateful night.
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Reply #265 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 1:59pm
 
They came
They did something that nobody knows of
She was left sleeping on the couch
He went home
Days later she said he'd raped her

Not much more of a timeline involved.

The judge was wrong, having no facts to base anything on - only assumption.....

He KNEW that when feeding the ravening crowd at the door with their pitch forks, flaming brands and lynching ropes - and he set Bruce up to win on appeal.

There is no room for poltroons, cowards and such on the bench... there is no concept of 'playing Solomon' when someone's life is at stake.
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Reply #266 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 2:09pm
 
In the Higgins (non) matter I hold no brief for either party... they went there for some reason - an OPINION only is that they went there to try on the 'Mile High Club' of a shag in the minister's office.  I would suggest from the security actions, including the response from the senior called for advice, that such things were not uncommon.  Whether or not any such thing took place NOBODY KNOWS!

Was shagging in the minister's office or similar cause for sacking?  Not in Canberra ...... there'd be nobody left....

Clearly the minister chose to sack the man (what a surprise) and coddle the angel - sorry - woman... thus certifying that even she can persist with the false belief in the 21st Century that a man is always culpable and a woman an angel with no real responsibility for doing anything wrong...

.... many here argue - and probably rightly .. that coddling the Aborigines is the primary cause of many of them living in squalor and crime and violence etc... they say that not demanding and expecting personal responsibility means they will never NOT behave as children.... the same can be said of modern women.

If you want to be equal - ACT LIKE IT!  AND ACCEPT THE BURDENS OF EQUALITY, EQUAL TREATMENT AND EQUAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS.
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Reply #267 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 2:14pm
 
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Thank you for the link. However, it is difficult to thoroughly search for that, when you have to scroll through pages of nonsense and sort through quote boxes inside of quote boxes to find the link, even if it was only 4 pages back.
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Reply #268 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 2:14pm
 
'Network Ten’s barrister, Matt Collins KC, played extensive CCTV footage to the court which showed Higgins and Lehrmann socialising and drinking on a Friday night after work with other parliamentary staffers.
The court heard the footage showed Higgins had consumed six spirit-based drinks in the Canberra bar, two of which were bought for her by Lehrmann.'

The girl dropped her shoes and panties and lay down naked as did all the other pollies and drunks.  There was no raping, let's face it, who likes nude flesh anyway?
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Reply #269 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 2:15pm
 
Now to the Toowoomba Fa4rce:-

Sheila picks up a bloke, willingly heads off to the sack with (let's call him Deuce)  ... despite national coverage she doesn't even know who he is.... three weeks later, on identifying him as Deuce, she decides that he must have raped her.

Now then......... let's hear it from the monkey gallery again.... the bonobos....
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Reply #270 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 2:19pm
 
Can't be him. He just uses naked women to help concentrate on Minister's letters.
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Reply #271 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 2:27pm
 
chimera wrote on Jun 24th, 2024 at 2:14pm:
'Network Ten’s barrister, Matt Collins KC, played extensive CCTV footage to the court which showed Higgins and Lehrmann socialising and drinking on a Friday night after work with other parliamentary staffers.
The court heard the footage showed Higgins had consumed six spirit-based drinks in the Canberra bar, two of which were bought for her by Lehrmann.'

The girl dropped her shoes and panties and lay down naked as did all the other pollies and drunks.  There was no raping, let's face it, who likes nude flesh anyway?


She threw back six that they could see - and two of those were bought by Bruce.  Was it a shout?  Did he buy a drink for anyone else?  Did she sneak any more?  Did anyone else buy her a drink?  Who paid for the other four drinks seen?

According to herself she wore no panties on that night... Canberra Summer time... fair enough, otherwise it's Eskimo time...

Security person - couple of hours after Bruce left, saw her on couch with dress pulled up and no panties....  (and?????) ... second 'check', apparently a quick look from the door as usual with a Mile High assignation, no 'sniff test' or anything for sexual engagement etc (which is rape if she is drunk, under ACT law) couple of hours later again and she was 'naked' according to signed statement.

The tooth fairy removed her clothing.... so - if she removed her own clothing in full at some time in the interim between 'checks' (again - does she sleep naked so it was 'normal'?) .... what possible bearing does her state of dress have on anything?

Yet the 'judge' relies entirely on one thing to say 'he was so overcome with lust that he was going to have his way even when there is no evidence that he did!'... not one shred of substantial evidence.

This is a travesty.  I'll bet countless 'fellow judges' - a highly suspect lot - are ribbing Lee unmercifully over a glass of whiskey at their private club over that one!!  And talking behind his wimpy back about it.....

All Bruce needs at this appeal is a genuine Judge to do his job.... for the pain this has caused... he should be paid millions.
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Reply #272 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 2:31pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 24th, 2024 at 1:59pm:
They came
They did something that nobody knows of
She was left sleeping on the couch
He went home
Days later she said he'd raped her

Not much more of a timeline involved.

The judge was wrong, having no facts to base anything on - only assumption.....

He KNEW that when feeding the ravening crowd at the door with their pitch forks, flaming brands and lynching ropes - and he set Bruce up to win on appeal.

There is no room for poltroons, cowards and such on the bench... there is no concept of 'playing Solomon' when someone's life is at stake.


Grappler, when it comes to making decisions in Court Rooms, people are expected to bring their common sense, every day life experience with them, and when they must make that decision, they make it based on what they have seen as evidence, and then even draw logical inferences (if necessary) to arrive at a decision.

If I am asleep at night at 2.30 am, and I hear loud water noises on my tiled roof, should I conclude it is raining or that my neighbour is out there with his hose washing down my roof?
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Reply #273 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 2:36pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 24th, 2024 at 2:27pm:
no 'sniff test' or anything for sexual engagement etc (which is rape if she is drunk, under ACT law)

The Parliament Mother Superior only requires a quick prayer and vow of chastity. Sniffing the Bartholin gland is not for everyone. Drunks are permitted sex with Police Warrant and Wipes.
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Reply #274 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 2:36pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 24th, 2024 at 2:27pm:
chimera wrote on Jun 24th, 2024 at 2:14pm:
'Network Ten’s barrister, Matt Collins KC, played extensive CCTV footage to the court which showed Higgins and Lehrmann socialising and drinking on a Friday night after work with other parliamentary staffers.
The court heard the footage showed Higgins had consumed six spirit-based drinks in the Canberra bar, two of which were bought for her by Lehrmann.'

The girl dropped her shoes and panties and lay down naked as did all the other pollies and drunks.  There was no raping, let's face it, who likes nude flesh anyway?


She threw back six that they could see - and two of those were bought by Bruce.  Was it a shout?  Did he buy a drink for anyone else?  Did she sneak any more?  Did anyone else buy her a drink?  Who paid for the other four drinks seen?

According to herself she wore no panties on that night... Canberra Summer time... fair enough, otherwise it's Eskimo time...

Security person - couple of hours after Bruce left, saw her on couch with dress pulled up and no panties....  (and?????) ... second 'check', apparently a quick look from the door as usual with a Mile High assignation, no 'sniff test' or anything for sexual engagement etc (which is rape if she is drunk, under ACT law) couple of hours later again and she was 'naked' according to signed statement.

The tooth fairy removed her clothing.... so - if she removed her own clothing in full at some time in the interim between 'checks' (again - does she sleep naked so it was 'normal'?) .... what possible bearing does her state of dress have on anything?

Yet the 'judge' relies entirely on one thing to say 'he was so overcome with lust that he was going to have his way even when there is no evidence that he did!'... not one shred of substantial evidence.

This is a travesty.  I'll bet countless 'fellow judges' - a highly suspect lot - are ribbing Lee unmercifully over a glass of whiskey at their private club over that one!!  And talking behind his wimpy back about it.....

All Bruce needs at this appeal is a genuine Judge to do his job.... for the pain this has caused... he should be paid millions.


Just bizarre.

Grappler, can you slowly walk though a crowded long queue, sniffing, and then tell me which of those you sniffed had just had a root?

You are off the Planet with this cave man rubbish.
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Reply #275 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 2:46pm
 
chimera wrote on Jun 24th, 2024 at 2:19pm:
Can't be him. He just uses naked women to help concentrate on Minister's letters.


that's right!!

According to the security staff she was fully dressed on first check two hours after Deuce left, panties none and dress pulled up but no smell of raunch... no clear signs of shagging ..... two hours later she was stark naked..... next morning she leaves without a word of complaint.... the cleaning crew come in and steam clean the couch ......... remove the dead bodies and such ... steep them in acid and cement shoe them into Lake Burley Griffin...

So the security staff removed her clothing while they were not there? Tooth fairy?  Feat of magic?  Emperor's New Clothes?  Fairy Godmother after three AM and she turns back into a naked woman, the footmen turn back into mice and the coach into a pumpkin?  The Invisible Man came in and took all her clothes off her?

Nah - 'Deuce was so overcome with his lust that he had to have his way' - the Myth of The Ultra-Predatory Man comes into play to cover all the lacks in the story.

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Reply #276 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 2:50pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jun 24th, 2024 at 2:36pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 24th, 2024 at 2:27pm:
chimera wrote on Jun 24th, 2024 at 2:14pm:
'Network Ten’s barrister, Matt Collins KC, played extensive CCTV footage to the court which showed Higgins and Lehrmann socialising and drinking on a Friday night after work with other parliamentary staffers.
The court heard the footage showed Higgins had consumed six spirit-based drinks in the Canberra bar, two of which were bought for her by Lehrmann.'

The girl dropped her shoes and panties and lay down naked as did all the other pollies and drunks.  There was no raping, let's face it, who likes nude flesh anyway?


She threw back six that they could see - and two of those were bought by Bruce.  Was it a shout?  Did he buy a drink for anyone else?  Did she sneak any more?  Did anyone else buy her a drink?  Who paid for the other four drinks seen?

According to herself she wore no panties on that night... Canberra Summer time... fair enough, otherwise it's Eskimo time...

Security person - couple of hours after Bruce left, saw her on couch with dress pulled up and no panties....  (and?????) ... second 'check', apparently a quick look from the door as usual with a Mile High assignation, no 'sniff test' or anything for sexual engagement etc (which is rape if she is drunk, under ACT law) couple of hours later again and she was 'naked' according to signed statement.

The tooth fairy removed her clothing.... so - if she removed her own clothing in full at some time in the interim between 'checks' (again - does she sleep naked so it was 'normal'?) .... what possible bearing does her state of dress have on anything?

Yet the 'judge' relies entirely on one thing to say 'he was so overcome with lust that he was going to have his way even when there is no evidence that he did!'... not one shred of substantial evidence.

This is a travesty.  I'll bet countless 'fellow judges' - a highly suspect lot - are ribbing Lee unmercifully over a glass of whiskey at their private club over that one!!  And talking behind his wimpy back about it.....

All Bruce needs at this appeal is a genuine Judge to do his job.... for the pain this has caused... he should be paid millions.


Just bizarre.

Grappler, can you slowly walk though a crowded long queue, sniffing, and then tell me which of those you sniffed had just had a root?

You are off the Planet with this cave man rubbish.


Oho!  What 'crowd' are we talking about in Reynolds' office?  There's only one person to be checked..... one sniff test.... don't tell me your sense of smell is that bad and you've never smelt raunch.  'Security' staff were women - women have a stronger sense of smell than men.... a security office should know that sex with a drunken woman is a crime under ACT law... so - what did 'security' think they were doing there or planning to do?

YOU are the one in the Cave Man times - bent on denying reality to suit ...  aaaargh - it was magic... Thunder God!!

There was no substantial evidence that any sex had taken place.... stop trying to worm out of reality.

Wouldn't have been on trial if he hadn't done it, right?  And of course the piggy eyes in public sealed that!!

"Bruce Lehrmann - you are hereby convicted of the social crime of being remarkably sexually unattractive, having a poor disposal of fat tissue around your body, and of having piggy eyes..... sentencing will take place on a date to be set.. just not on the same date as your date with the complainant."
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Reply #277 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 2:57pm
 
Nah then - that 'case' in Toowoomba....... let's just call him Deuce ....
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Reply #278 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 2:59pm
 
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Nah then - that 'case' in Toowoomba....... let's just call him Deuce ....


"Deuce Bigalow - male gigolo". But, he left the office without getting paid.
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Reply #279 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 3:09pm
 
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 24th, 2024 at 2:57pm:
Nah then - that 'case' in Toowoomba....... let's just call him Deuce ....


"Deuce Bigalow - male gigolo". But, he left the office without getting paid.


I thought that was Deuce's problem half the time or more...

"Sack 'em all for shagging in the office and there'd be nobody left in Canberra!" ... well - working for the government that is .... now THERE is an idea!!

**Holds laughter in at the thought of Wee Johnnie copping a Monica under the desk...**
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You tell me.  Lehrmann offered three alternatives to shagging her.  Which one do you reckon, using your 'sniff' test?
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Reply #281 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 3:32pm
 
He did indeed - and any single one of those could be equally considered as the 'facts' of the matter.  There are countless other probabilities.... as you well know... get your hand off it.

You're not getting anywhere - well - at least you've slid away from y6ou puny 'cave man' BS attempt... as if somehow by saying the chances are more that it didn't happen than it did is somehow back in the old days or something.... YOU are still trapped in the old days of assuming angels and demons.... you and Lee and a lot of other people need to grow up and fast before you destroy this country.

Aye - must be guilty!  Person of standing in the community - in this case a preferred woman - said so!!  Clearly he is just a wild man with no constraint!!  Hang him....

Let me make this clear to you all now and forever - There Will Be No Guilt By Accusation In This Country - you keep your primitive Neo-Nazi approach to law to yourself.... ALL of you, sheilas and wimpy blokes alike!

Now then - Deuce has never been found guilty of any rape..... the opinion of a fool is meaningless... we all have our opinions - but not one shred of substantial evidence.
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You tell me.  Lehrmann offered three alternatives to shagging her.  Which one do you reckon, using your 'sniff' test?


A proper check under the law would require at least a cursory examination at close range to see ... are you blind as well as dumb?  there is no evidence that any sex took place .....  the security staff could have corrected that one way or the other with a proper check.

I don't have to decide which story holds - only the facts.... no substantial evidence of sex existed or exists.  case not proven = here = not guilty.  An unfounded assertion in a 'civil' matter has no relevance.

Not going to explain it to you again... get your hand off it....  YOU show me the proof positive.....
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She threw back six that they could see - and two of those were bought by Bruce.  Was it a shout?  Did he buy a drink for anyone else?  Did she sneak any more?  Did anyone else buy her a drink?  Who paid for the other four drinks seen?

She followed little Brucie all the way down the corridors. He was typing and she was dripping fluids and fumes. Security had an alarm of the raunch detector on the Public Morality Informers Register. She said he said it wasn't his, who knows? It smells fishy, Grapps.
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He did indeed - and any single one of those could be equally considered as the 'facts' of the matter.  There are countless other probabilities.... as you well know... get your hand off it.

You're not getting anywhere - well - at least you've slid away from y6ou puny 'cave man' BS attempt... as if somehow by saying the chances are more that it didn't happen than it did is somehow back in the old days or something.... YOU are still trapped in the old days of assuming angels and demons.... you and Lee and a lot of other people need to grow up and fast before you destroy this country.

Aye - must be guilty!  Person of standing in the community - in this case a preferred woman - said so!!  Clearly he is just a wild man with no constraint!!  Hang him....

Let me make this clear to you all now and forever - There Will Be No Guilt By Accusation In This Country - you keep your primitive Neo-Nazi approach to law to yourself.... ALL of you, sheilas and wimpy blokes alike!

Now then - Deuce has never been found guilty of any rape..... the opinion of a fool is meaningless... we all have our opinions - but not one shred of substantial evidence.


When a bloke is accused of being in a place to screw a woman, and he offers THREE different reasons for being at the place where the screwing is alleged to have occurred, DENIES the obvious, the screwing of a woman to whom he was hormonally  attracted, a woman he had plied with piss, taken HER to that place for no reason at all, leaves her there alone for no reason at all, and while he is there, he ignores many phone calls made to his mobile phone from his "Mrs" who is obviously ringing to ask, "Where the
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He might have worn a wet suit.... still....  trout fishing.... morning ladies said the blind man walking past the fish market...
I'm not arguing one way or the other on the shagging angle - just expecting facts and reality other than the conviction of Sir Thomas Mann....

"Aye - me Lord King Henry!  Two persons of standing in the community have said they overheard Sir Thomas saying that your taking over the Church and renaming it the Church of England and creating for yourself the right to dispose of your Queen was a crime....."

"Truly then is Sir Thomas undone - prepare the scaffold for the hanging, drawing and quartering..... and let his name henceforth be Deuce!"


Ah - the good old feudal days when a man could hang slowly on a rope from a tree at the word of a 'better'.... the good old feudal days when a lord could just say 'hang him' on no evidence.... the good old feudal days when no criminal accused ever escaped the rack and death because nobody did!!  Ahhh - the good old days here when any 'judge' or 'magistrate' could just find anyone guilty by accusation at whim on the basis that all are criminals unless they are of a certain type - wouldn't be here unless they did it, eh?  The good old feudal days of the Hitlers and Stalins ... wherein any person 'denounced' as an enemy of the State/Reich would go to the gas chamber or the fatal gulag or the cellars at the Lubyanka or at Gestapo HQ ... the heady days of absolute power and total control over the very lives of the citizenry!!!

Bloody democracy ruined all that for them .... buggar .... how our politicians, women, judges and other half-educated arseholes assembled in baying crowds of one kind or another suffer from that modern deficiency.... bloody democracy and human rights..... they want to determine what human rights are - not you scum.... how can any society function unless the accredited better classes can just have their way in everything?

And we thought we laughed at Poms and tgheir pretentious ways and putting on airs - literally - when they adopt the 'accent' of a class hagher, you know.... when all along our country suffered the same fatal disease of every petty arsehole thinking about abusing someone else and looking down on others....

Yes - we really need a return to the stratified 'class' society with different 'rights' adhering to different groups - women must have more 'rights'.... tifino why - but they must... no woman ever lies or makes a mistake or is just plain stupid ....

Poor Fellow - My Country.  Just when there was hope for democracy, proper civil equal rights for all no based on position, and even a fair hearing in a court for a change instead of the automatic guilt handed to the defendant.... along came the feminists and opened up the door for the corrupt politicians and judiciary to stamp down on people by social group again.

Answer me this - in the event of a successful national revolution - how many judges and politicians would 'scape the scaffold or the firing squad... considering they are all doing the right thing by everyone, that is.....   Shocked
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I'm not arguing one way or the other on the shagging angle - when a man could hang slowly on a rope from a tree

Quite right, don't mention the whore. Bruce is well hung, probably in a civil manner, as a gentleman. Not defamation, good one Brucey old cock.
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Reply #287 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 4:16pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jun 24th, 2024 at 3:51pm:
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He did indeed - and any single one of those could be equally considered as the 'facts' of the matter.  There are countless other probabilities.... as you well know... get your hand off it.

You're not getting anywhere - well - at least you've slid away from y6ou puny 'cave man' BS attempt... as if somehow by saying the chances are more that it didn't happen than it did is somehow back in the old days or something.... YOU are still trapped in the old days of assuming angels and demons.... you and Lee and a lot of other people need to grow up and fast before you destroy this country.

Aye - must be guilty!  Person of standing in the community - in this case a preferred woman - said so!!  Clearly he is just a wild man with no constraint!!  Hang him....

Let me make this clear to you all now and forever - There Will Be No Guilt By Accusation In This Country - you keep your primitive Neo-Nazi approach to law to yourself.... ALL of you, sheilas and wimpy blokes alike!

Now then - Deuce has never been found guilty of any rape..... the opinion of a fool is meaningless... we all have our opinions - but not one shred of substantial evidence.


When a bloke is accused of being in a place to screw a woman, and he offers THREE different reasons for being at the place where the screwing is alleged to have occurred, DENIES the obvious, the screwing of a woman to whom he was hormonally  attracted, a woman he had plied with piss, taken HER to that place for no reason at all, leaves her there alone for no reason at all, and while he is there, he ignores many phone calls made to his mobile phone from his "Mrs" who is obviously ringing to ask, "Where the
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k are you Bruce," worried about his whereabouts, what do you conclude Grappler, when the woman says she was screwed by him there when his girlfriend made those calls.


It is not proof positive, this offering different reasons for being there.... how do you or anyone else know he was 'hormonally attracted' to the woman at the time?  There you go again - off into fantasy land..... he didn't 'ply her with piss' - he bought her two drinks over the entire night that went on into the early hours of the next morning... he gave three reasons for going there.... maybe they went for a shag - but NOBODY KNOWS FOR SURE ..  and nobody knows for sure it ever happened ...maybe his phone was turned off.....

Show me ..... where's your substantial evidence?  If sex took place there is evidence of sex - not just of being there...... she destroyed some of the claimed evidence ... she changed her stories time and again .... NOBODY, including that silly commissioner overpaid sheila down there - came out of this looking good.... but there is no case to answer, and just carrying on with a facade like that commissioner creature did will not change facts.

WTF ever considered her for any such appointment with her clear stupidity and total bias?  Another job for an old party mate intent on 'The Agenda' - that agenda being the demolition of Law here.

So next we'll have a different approach to law for every group.... you are insane,Aussie.

So - let's try again .... they were there - AND??  What can you PROVE happened?

You just go round and round and never connect with reality.....
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Reply #288 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 4:53pm
 
Yes - those were the days!  All a laird had to do was point a finger and out came the chopping block and the hooded axe man.... we'll soon put paid to those uppity men!!  Any time a woman points a finger he'll be guilty... it's really only a continuation of the old worn-out 'white knight' BS anyway - you know - some sheila in the workplace only has to say how she's being bullied or put upon and the bastard is guilty!!  We all know that - so why not just make it the law of the land, eh?  All men are bastards and should all be punished.... let's make sure women are paid 7-10% more per actual hour worked - not including all their special leaves.... and cry about 'wage gaps' and other BS... let's talk about how they are victims of society as a whole and deserve everything for no real effort... that their 'being protected' must extend to the very roots of their 'feelings', just like the poofs and trannies... let's stick to the idea that men are overwhelmingly possessed by their raging sex drive and will stop at nothing to get 'it' ..... let's ruin countless lives based on 'feelings' and assertions and myths about men, eh?  Let's forget all the good they've done to bring about this modern society of unequals.....

You people are sick...... so sick you don't even know it ... and the asylums are long gone, sadly, so there's no place to keep you away from civilised society... you have lead to and will bring about the ascendancy of the beta people .. the losers and mind-trash with their flaming brand, pitch forks and lynching ropes just like that dopey commissioner sheila in Cambra overpaid to the max FCS ....  WTF appointed that creature?
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Reply #289 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 4:57pm
 
Nah then - once again - the 'high profile case in Toowoomba' - where the sheila lunched some bloke (let's call him Deuce), and three weeks later from reports worked out it was Deuce Mk I and then decided that he must have raped her .... even though she went back for seconds ....

Ummm .... yeah... yeah.... true story.... cool story, bro... this is more of a farce every day.
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Reply #290 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 5:05pm
 
Aussie wrote on Aug 4th, 2023 at 1:48pm:
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Here you go Aussie!!!

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Documents show other Lehrmann allegations

A man accused of raping Brittany Higgins in Parliament House was the subject of multiple sexual assault and harassment allegations, with other women reporting their own complaints after the political staffer's claim.

The reports which were previously kept under wraps by a court were on Friday made public along with Bruce Lehrmann's attempts to prevent his criminal trial going ahead.


Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

https://www.northweststar.com.au/story/8005770/documents-show-other-lehrmann-all...

https://www.jimboombatimes.com.au/story/7942256/court-hears-lehrmanns-conflictin...


This incident I refer to occurred in Toowoomba, not Canberra, and so far as I know, is not in any way work related.  You links are not to the Toowoomba matter.





Ooooh - MeToo - and not a single one followed up on..... I wonder why?????  This gets more farcical by the moment.... ooooh - sexual assault AND sexual harassment.... and not a one every proceeded with......
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Reply #291 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 5:11pm
 
Aussie wrote on Aug 4th, 2023 at 5:36pm:
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Accusations are a dime a dozen - we must never fall into the trap of finding a person guilty on accusation because the accuser belongs to some specified social group.

If an Indigenous wishes to claim massacre, for instance, they'd best be ready with a heap of hard evidence.....


Your point, beyond the blindingly bleeding banal obvious?


Your confession from long ago now is noted............ you support guilt by accusation now.... as long as a person of a specified social group is the accuser, there is no defence, just like in any despotic government .... ah - the good old days of wave a finger and  a man burns at the stake.... what a shame they are no longer with us and judges are sworn to uphold LAW equally for all...... and not Animal Farm style - all animals are equal but special groups as designated are more equal than others ... a woman claiming rape or any form of abuse is more equal.... an Aborigine claiming 'scrimination is more equal ... a transgender claiming ... something or other... is more equal.... poor buggars - just can't fend for themselves in the Big World....

Wow - trannies are 66 times more likely to have HIV ... hmmm... a fine argument for never 'sleeping' with one.... YUK!
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Reply #292 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 5:25pm
 
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It is not proof positive, this offering different reasons for being there....


Of course it is not proof POSITIVE.  All that was needed was proof on the balance of probabilities.  I also tell you, that, and the other evidence, convinces me beyond reasonable doubt that:

"Bruce Lehrmann raped Brittany Higgins."


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how do you or anyone else know he was 'hormonally attracted' to the woman at the time?  There you go again - off into fantasy land.....



Because he said so, as is commented upon in the Judgement! 
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he didn't 'ply her with piss' - he bought her two drinks over the entire night that went on into the early hours of the next morning...


And lied about that.  Did you not read the evidence about his credit card?

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he gave three reasons for going there.... maybe they went for a shag - but NOBODY KNOWS FOR SURE ..  and nobody knows for sure it ever happened ...


Nobody will ever know for sure.  But, everybody can use their common sense, just like the Judge did, and just like you will not, preferring to think he took her there for.....um....nothing.  He took here there for a reason Grappler?  What was it?  Which is the far more likely, even beyond treasonable doubt?

He would have been far smarter to admit he screwed her and argued the consent issue, because even Higgins was unsure about that.  But, because he denied screwing her, the issue of consent became very easy to dispose of.

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maybe his phone was turned off.....


Did he say it was?  No he didn't.
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Reply #293 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 5:39pm
 
Yay - no 'proof on the balance of probabilities ' just a determination of balance of probabilities without proof ... i.er. no proof at all, and nothing more than a person opinion based on... well... pretty much anything.  You really must stop trying to pull the wool over the eyes of the court, counsellor... using words like 'proof' when they do not apply.

Nothing has been proven other than that they were there.... no proof of any illegal act has been produced.... only an accusation without supporting evidence.
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Reply #294 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 5:55pm
 
probability: the quality or fact of being probable.
a strong likelihood or chance of something.
example: 'Her naked whisky soaked raunch probably was worth the expense, in his balance of probability.'
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Reply #295 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 5:59pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 24th, 2024 at 5:39pm:
Yay - no 'proof on the balance of probabilities ' just a determination of balance of probabilities without proof ... i.er. no proof at all, and nothing more than a person opinion based on... well... pretty much anything.  You really must stop trying to pull the wool over the eyes of the court, counsellor... using words like 'proof' when they do not apply.

Nothing has been proven other than that they were there.... no proof of any illegal act has been produced.... only an accusation without supporting evidence.


Grappler, you confuse 'proof' with 'evidence.'

Here, there was ample evidence to prove, according to Judge Lee, on the balance of probabilities:

"Bruce Lehrmann raped Brittany Higgins."

According to me, there is ample evidence which proves, beyond reasonable doubt:

"Bruce Lehrmann raped Britanny Higgins."

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Reply #296 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 6:21pm
 
Grappler, just for you, I went in search of a relevant time line for the night.  Read it all.  The lot.

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Reply #297 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 7:02pm
 
"Lehrmann had been drinking for five hours with colleagues and had returned to the office after 1.30am with his 24-year-old colleague, Brittany Higgins. She was heavily intoxicated. He was not."

Funnier by the moment...  five hour 'e 'it the piss, yer 'onnah - but 'e were not drunk!!!   Girl 'ad six over many hour - she were pissed out of mind!!!  Arh, aye - 'leven drinks counted an' he bought TWO of 'em... filthy plier.... then she 'it thirteen!!!

Nobody counted HIS drinks... butc 'e weren't pissed, yer 'onnah!  True story....

“Contrary to his evidence, he did spend most of the evening with Ms Higgins and, as the night wore on, was aware of her drinking and, towards the end of the evening, was encouraging her to drink well beyond the bounds of sobriety,” he said."

Actually it looks like a group of more than half a dozen.... he bought her two drinks over the evening - how is he 'encouraging' her when she's already high in the sky? 

8.51 change of story - linking up on a dating site... Jesus ... why bother?

9.34 pm " Mr Lehrmann handed over a card in payment of a $42.50 charge for a round of drinks" ... so he wasn't 'plyhng her with drinks' at all - he bought a round.  One down out of two.......

Aye - that be incriminating - the bastard paid for the drinks....

“Mr Reedy was an impressive and accomplished man who did his best to assist the court but, in the end, there is no need for me to form definitive views about his evidence,” Lee said."


Ah - 'e be condemned on lip reading but in the end the 'judge paid not attention to it... did the video show where these drinks came from and where they went... you know - did it show her drinking all of them after Bruce bought them for  (LMFAO) late night Canberra Friday night $16?

“notably the sixth spirit-based drink which Mr Lehrmann had observed Ms Higgins consume since his arrival” and “it is clear that Mr Lehrmann had again actively encouraged her to consume the drink”."  How did he assume he 'encouraged' her to drink it?

This could go on and on - but there is still zero supportive evidence to show that sex of any kind actually took place.  hat is an assumption pure and simple.  It reads like Bruce must have been lying Lee with drinks.... all that confusion...

“Put bluntly, he was a 23-year-old male cheating on his girlfriend, having just ‘hooked up’ with a woman he found sexually attractive. Human experience suggests what he then wanted to happen is not exactly shrouded in mystery.”  Indeed - but DID it happen?  Where's the conclusive proof?

He doesn't recall (Brittany style) signing her in - but he wasn't drunk... nah ... YTF would he deny signing her in if he did?

It would take a book, but clearly there is an incredible range of assumptions in this... this would suit mothra... reading in - inserting own experience - just bulldoze reality aside  - make no sense - Bruce spent $16 on another card?  Probably his government card so he didn't want to mention it... you might get two drinks for $16 .... three in front of her?  Again where did they come from?

This is a comedy routine, surely?



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Reply #298 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 7:13pm
 
For every inference or innuendo or presumption - there is at least one other interpretation.... so it was the sixth drink he saw her consume - maybe he was concerned for her drinking....  clearly he did not spend the whole night at her side etc.... photos show that...  he bought drinks at the bar - should've put that in slo-mo with evil music .... who were they for - chain of evidence - did all of those drinks find their way to Brittany?  Or only one of a group?  In the 'three amigo drinks' shot - the two guys to her right have no drinks....... were two of those for them?  was he gathering them up and saying :- "Britt -you've had a lot!  Slow down..."

Both had been drinking for hours - both recollections were rocky - he was hung for that and she got a $3m medal.

Sounds like a jury needed to look at all this video and stuff - not just some whiskey drinker in Canberra.....  how many drinks did you say she had before Deuce bought her one?  You reckon she needed encouraging?  That 'judge' needs to stay off the sauce himself, and clearly the best work of the security cameras wound up on the cutting room floor....

At the cremation she'd burn for a fortnight... good argument for a jury to go over all this.... not one person with a clear bias.
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Reply #299 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 7:20pm
 
So why did Bri'ny follow Brusch at one clok in mornig hic? Wy was Bruus in room widh her all tha time busy doin portant work?
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Reply #300 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 7:21pm
 
Substantial evidence... e.g.:-

"That guy ran up the back of my car!"

"Yes, clearly his car is stuck on your tow bar, his car's paint matches the dents on the back of yours, and the coolant fluid from his radiator matches the splashes on the ... rear ... of your car...we tested it to be sure ....."


Catch my drift??

You can't say - "That guy ran up the back of my car!" ... and have nothing to show that he did......

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Reply #301 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 7:24pm
 
chimera wrote on Jun 24th, 2024 at 7:20pm:
So why did Bri'ny follow Brusch at one clok in mornig hic? Wy was Bruus in room widh her all tha time busy doin portant work?


Zhe wuz (hic) ashleep onnda couch.... t' Minster pu' i' there for (hic) such a .. happe.. happen...ing...  Deuce was  (hic) inna nothea room...
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Reply #302 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 7:27pm
 
Drunk driver, seen by security on front seat parked 1 metre from your car, in your drive-way. You say he ran over your roses. He says it was the wind blowing your wheelie bin full of whisky bottles. The dog cocked his leg. Neighbour smelled nothing.
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Reply #303 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 8:12pm
 
chimera wrote on Jun 24th, 2024 at 7:20pm:
So why did Bri'ny follow Brusch at one clok in mornig hic? Wy was Bruus in room widh her all tha time busy doin portant work?


When you have been drinkin', you don't really think all that clearly. I think I have massive experience of heavy drinkin'... and not thinking all that clearly. Sometimes, I am as sober as anything, and I am not thinking all that clearly. That is because I was drinking a few nights before, and my hangover takes 2 days to clear.

But, n.e.weigh. For all we know, there might have been a suggestion by one side or the other to go to Parliament and have a few more drinks and a lay down. Perhaps Brittany had some overconfidence that she could get up and make a show of how strong as a woman she is by being able to handle her alcohol.

I get the feeling that Brittany was not just drunk, but drink spiked. If you are that out of it with the alcohol that you don't know that you are being raped, then I would say that there is a likelihood of drink spiking going on. It is difficult to speculate that when there is video evidence that Brittany was walking okay inside the Parliament building.

I don't know all the facts to this case. Maybe Aussie can take pity with me and provide me with the transcript of the court case of Higgins vs Lehrmann. I will have a look around online.
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chimera wrote on Jun 24th, 2024 at 7:27pm:
Drunk driver, seen by security on front seat parked 1 metre from your car, in your drive-way. You say he ran over your roses. He says it was the wind blowing your wheelie bin full of whisky bottles. The dog cocked his leg. Neighbour smelled nothing.


Are the keys in the ignition?
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chimera wrote on Jun 24th, 2024 at 7:20pm:
So why did Bri'ny follow Brusch at one clok in mornig hic? Wy was Bruus in room widh her all tha time busy doin portant work?


When you have been drinkin', you don't really think all that clearly. I think I have massive experience of heavy drinkin'... and not thinking all that clearly. Sometimes, I am as sober as anything, and I am not thinking all that clearly. That is because I was drinking a few nights before, and my hangover takes 2 days to clear.

But, n.e.weigh. For all we know, there might have been a suggestion by one side or the other to go to Parliament and have a few more drinks and a lay down. Perhaps Brittany had some overconfidence that she could get up and make a show of how strong as a woman she is by being able to handle her alcohol.

I get the feeling that Brittany was not just drunk, but drink spiked. If you are that out of it with the alcohol that you don't know that you are being raped, then I would say that there is a likelihood of drink spiking going on. It is difficult to speculate that when there is video evidence that Brittany was walking okay inside the Parliament building.

I don't know all the facts to this case. Maybe Aussie can take pity with me and provide me with the transcript of the court case of Higgins vs Lehrmann. I will have a look around online.



Interesting - but I don't think thirteen drinks needs much spiking... in that state, though - a recollection of waking up for a short time etc..... you've surely been there... back to that hospital, man - when I was drugged after heart op I swore the nurses were having a party in the garden outside the glass doors... thing is - when I thought about it later - it's a bit hard to have a party in the garden outside the glass windows on the seventh floor... or whatever it was... and the way that bed ran around the ward when I closed my eyes....

Point is - 'waking up with Deuce on top of her' may not be a reliable memory .... in that state.... and that is why substantial corroborative evidence is a MUST for ALL court hearings.  Assumptions are just not good enough - but you try telling that to the crazed sheila mob with pitch forks and flaming brands and lynch ropes outside the court doors.... just waiting for a single wrong word.... and all backed by the media for a headline.

Was the media guilty?  YES!  Do they owe Deuce?  YES!  Do they encourage this destruction of the Law?  YES!  Should they be brought to heel for doing this over and over?  YES!

Judges and magistrates should not be kow-towing to them for fear of a bad headline.... they must stick to the legal truth ONLY and damn the torpedoes.... and the media who breach that rule should be charged with contempt.

Does Brittany owe Deuce? Probably - but they could have probably settled that over a drink.............  **snuckles**
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Reply #306 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 10:38pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 24th, 2024 at 8:50pm:
and that is why substantial corroborative evidence is a MUST for ALL court hearings. 

She sent a video of Bruce penetrating her to her friend Craigette (pimples, skinny, spiked hair). Lee had a perv and deleted it. Reynolds saw the vibes around the couch but assumed it was Johnnie who Walked. Grapps goes with Bruce.
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 24th, 2024 at 8:50pm:
Interesting - but I don't think thirteen drinks needs much spiking... in that state, though - a recollection of waking up for a short time etc..... you've surely been there... back to that hospital, man - when I was drugged after heart op I swore the nurses were having a party in the garden outside the glass doors... thing is - when I thought about it later - it's a bit hard to have a party in the garden outside the glass windows on the seventh floor... or whatever it was... and the way that bed ran around the ward when I closed my eyes....


Are we talking in terms of thirteen drinks at the nightclub? Or thirteen drinks that I would pour?

I tend to put about 150mL of scotch into a glass, two ice cubs, and the rest cola. That is 500mL of a beverage in a 550mL glass mug. I do that about 6 times during a drinking session, where I have enough scotch left over to either finish up at 2 in the morning, or I leave it to finish as an "eye opener" the next day.

I would imagine that my condition by drink number 6 is where I am so tired that I fall asleep, as would someone like Brittany after finishing 13 nightclub drinks. However, I severely doubt that I would be so inebriated that I would not notice someone touching me.
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Interesting - but I don't think thirteen drinks needs much spiking... in that state, though - a recollection of waking up for a short time etc..... you've surely been there... back to that hospital, man - when I was drugged after heart op I swore the nurses were having a party in the garden outside the glass doors... thing is - when I thought about it later - it's a bit hard to have a party in the garden outside the glass windows on the seventh floor... or whatever it was... and the way that bed ran around the ward when I closed my eyes....


Are we talking in terms of thirteen drinks at the nightclub? Or thirteen drinks that I would pour?

I tend to put about 150mL of scotch into a glass, two ice cubs, and the rest cola. That is 500mL of a beverage in a 550mL glass mug. I do that about 6 times during a drinking session, where I have enough scotch left over to either finish up at 2 in the morning, or I leave it to finish as an "eye opener" the next day.

I would imagine that my condition by drink number 6 is where I am so tired that I fall asleep, as would someone like Brittany after finishing 13 nightclub drinks. However, I severely doubt that I would be so inebriated that I would not notice someone touching me.


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Reply #309 - Jun 25th, 2024 at 12:17pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 25th, 2024 at 12:04pm:
notice someone touching me.

Bruce needed her political advice at the late night research session. Otherwise he wouldn't have arranged for her to be in the Commonwealth legislative premises with him. After consultations with governmental colleagues, he was up to speed and aware of the complex material he was drafting with her expertise.
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Reply #310 - Jun 25th, 2024 at 8:06pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 25th, 2024 at 12:04pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 24th, 2024 at 8:50pm:
Interesting - but I don't think thirteen drinks needs much spiking... in that state, though - a recollection of waking up for a short time etc..... you've surely been there... back to that hospital, man - when I was drugged after heart op I swore the nurses were having a party in the garden outside the glass doors... thing is - when I thought about it later - it's a bit hard to have a party in the garden outside the glass windows on the seventh floor... or whatever it was... and the way that bed ran around the ward when I closed my eyes....


Are we talking in terms of thirteen drinks at the nightclub? Or thirteen drinks that I would pour?

I tend to put about 150mL of scotch into a glass, two ice cubs, and the rest cola. That is 500mL of a beverage in a 550mL glass mug. I do that about 6 times during a drinking session, where I have enough scotch left over to either finish up at 2 in the morning, or I leave it to finish as an "eye opener" the next day.

I would imagine that my condition by drink number 6 is where I am so tired that I fall asleep, as would someone like Brittany after finishing 13 nightclub drinks. However, I severely doubt that I would be so inebriated that I would not notice someone touching me.


Maybe he was shaking her - not baking her... or shucking her or something similar...only they know for sure - and even that's not sure....

"We've gotta get outta here!"

"Yeah... ged ouda there ....**snore" ....


I'm fascinated with Lee's extra assertion that 'rape has changed meanings'.... or whatever he said there that means something like that .... **scratches head** .. I always thought it was pretty clear....
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Reply #311 - Jun 25th, 2024 at 8:25pm
 
'Rape which describes the forced penetration of the vagina or anus of any person with any part of the body of another person, or any object, against their will or consent. It also includes oral sex. In NSW Criminal Law, the term rape is no longer used and has been replaced by the term sexual intercourse without consent'.

Bruce of course could have produced the 38pages of documents that he and Ms Whisky created. Probably in all probability.
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Reply #312 - Jun 25th, 2024 at 8:28pm
 
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/jarryd-hayne-will-not-face-a-fourth-rap...

One down, anyway...... three attempts at it.... Jesus.... what's happening to law around here?  Just malleable to suit any whinge nowadays, is it?

All that and he finally walks free..... a free man ....
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Reply #313 - Jun 25th, 2024 at 8:31pm
 
chimera wrote on Jun 25th, 2024 at 8:25pm:
'Rape which describes the forced penetration of the vagina or anus of any person with any part of the body of another person, or any object, against their will or consent. It also includes oral sex. In NSW Criminal Law, the term rape is no longer used and has been replaced by the term sexual intercourse without consent'.

Bruce of course could have produced the 38pages of documents that he and Ms Whisky created. Probably in all probability.


So now the next round of BS will be about the 'definition' of 'sexual intercourse' ... I always thought that was pretty straight up and down myself....
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Reply #314 - Jun 26th, 2024 at 6:26pm
 
... and Lee's Mistake just rolls on and on .... what did Bruce Lehrmann do to someone 'in the know' that he 'needed' to be so discredited??  Aye - but he were hell bent on sex!  Look at his eyes ... piggy as .... oh, yeah ....  plied her with alcohol all night he did.... looks like he bought two a shout and two drinks separate... I count six seven people at the table.... $40 = five drinks (all bought at once) ..... $16 = two drinks - for whom?  .. $24.20 = two or three drinks - for whom? ... Barton Grocer packet of condoms??  What did the others drink all night while (let's call her complainant B) was downing a dozen or more?  If Bruce was drinking with colleagues for over five hours they HAD to be in a shout!!  HOW DID HE PLY HER WITH A DOZEN OR MORE ON THAT EXPENDITURE???  Did anyone check THEIR cards to see if they were all six/SEVEN indeed in a shout?  Ex-culpatory excluded???

Argh, aye - 'must' have had another source of funds.... clearly so considering he.... wait a minute....... what DID he actually 'do'?  This could go around and around until even a 'judge's' mind is confused.... Argh aye - he plied her with drinks therefore MUST have had another source of funds!!!  Yeah... yeah... that's it .... cool story, bro.... circular 'logic'......  LMFAO .. clearly the guy is totally innocent!!

So much material for any appeal....  why did Bruce's lawyers not address these issues?  I guess they just couldn't imagine such a stupid rendering of 'facts' as presented by Lee.... who would?  Just goes to show with idiots on the bench you need to cover EVERY single little thing....  FFS ... what 'judge' would come up with 'hell bent on sex, etc'.... based ENTIRELY on her accusation and nothing else of direct relevance??? WTF??

A man got life without parole from a bad reputation for that incredible assumption to please a baying crowd of feminist lunatics (if you don't by now understand that beast - you never will - I'll be laughing at you, same as your nonsensical Aboriginal Supremacism) ..... what's he going to do for a job and to get by?  The accuser, untested - got a three million dollar medal AND a job she could never work at again with the UN a couple of weeks later!!!!!!!

I think Lee has been reading the 'Slow Horses' series... Roddie the loser nerd buying drinks for his 'pals' who all despise him while his Korean gf somehow always finds a way to avoid going home with him... and turns out to be a NK spy...  now WTF would she be getting out of Slough House?

Appeal Upheld...... Lee turned out into the street to beg for a living instead of the feathered ride.... FFS... and Lee's Mistake just rolls on and on....  What Was He Thinking?

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/lehrmann-s-bitter-battle-over-10m-bill/...
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Big Time Bruce Buys for the Boys and Bitch. He Helps Higgins Handle His High Handed Hold-all.  Which Whisky Was Wanted With the Wicked Woman?
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Reply #316 - Jun 26th, 2024 at 7:26pm
 
Better by the moment - Deuce bought three BEERS in that video..... now I don't know how much a full price schooner was in The Gaga Strip about then .... Complainant B only drank spirits..... had three in front of her but not schooners.... maybe Deuce was moving them away from her... she doesn't look too pissed to use her phone.....  Gaga Strip Rules...

Good GRIEF!!  That's the night when the lights went out in Gaga ... that's the night they hung an innocent man...

This is more of a farce the more you look it over - like the Governor Connally hit L side rear chest exiting R side nipple (bullet then falling on his lap) ..... while he was turned fully 100+ degrees in his seat towards JFK and saying WTF, so that shot came from the LEFT of the motorcade crossing in front of Mrs Connally (she must have felt the heat) = two gunmen with triangulation of fire meaning the ideal third spot was...... The Grassy Knoll that a cop ran to immediately.... Deuce buys three beers....... Complainant B drank spirits ....Three Beers.... Three Beers... maybe we should call this fairy tale Goldilocks and The Three Beers... hair colour's as wrong as everything else though...

Deuce Bought Three BEERS!!  But let's leave that one for a while.... he just MUST have had another source of funds and gone to the bar several or more other times unrecorded to 'ply her with liquor' all night! It is logical, Jim!  That explains it, Watson!! And nobody else in the group of seven bought a drink all night.......... no account records, no bar records, no video ...... cool story, bro ....

Fish marketry at its very best ....
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https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/trial-date-set-for-reynolds-higgins-def...

ReynoldsGate hearing date set.... this should be interesting...

Again - I do not hold a brief for a single soul involved in this utterly tawdry mess... I only support what the LAW is supposed to do.... treat everyone equally according to Law - as judges take an oath to do.....

So - who was and who wasn't treated according to Law?  I know...
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Reply #318 - Jun 28th, 2024 at 1:05am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 26th, 2024 at 10:17pm:
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/trial-date-set-for-reynolds-higgins-def...

ReynoldsGate hearing date set.... this should be interesting...

Again - I do not hold a brief for a single soul involved in this utterly tawdry mess... I only support what the LAW is supposed to do.... treat everyone equally according to Law - as judges take an oath to do.....

So - who was and who wasn't treated according to Law?  I know...


https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/high-profile-witness-list-grows-in-reyn...
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Anyway - been a busy coupla days... let's review Aussie's 'cave man' approaches:-

'Judge' Lee:-

"Deuce was so overcome with LUST that he would brook no response other than a root!!  He MUST, therefore, have 'sexually assaulted her'!!"
  Now THAT, Poppets, has to be THE 'cave man reading-in' of all time in the 21st Century... not one iota of substantive evidence to support such an outlandish cave man style claim ....

But he's got more!!  "Deuce wasn't shown to have spent the money to 'ply her with liquor all night!" (another famous 'cave man' catch phrase - but without foundation here!!)  ... so he somehow MUST have had another source of funds!!"  Not  one iota of evidence to support such an outlandish claim....

Amazing... simply amazing.... and that, Poppets - is 'judge' Lee's cave man approach to jurisprudence - push men back into the Viking Raider Dark Ages as predatory beasts with no self-control etc.... better still - make all men (except them and their 'class' of course) into 'cave men preying on defenceless women' ....  sneaky, treacherous, under-handed and stopping at nothing to get into some poor little angel's panties....

The Dark Ages resided and reside in the head of this judge - and just like Albo and his Catholic school - it's nobody's fault these days that the big kids took his lunch money, called him a Wop or whatever, he didn't make fullback on the school Rugby team, or the priests gave him the odd spinal tap .... time to stop taking your childhood out on men, you dorks....

FFS .....  the man is an idiot!!  Deuce will win an appeal hands down .... what utter unfounded nonsense....

Lee's victim gets life without character without proof and nobody will employ him as the most hated man in Australia never convicted of anything... his accuser, never properly tested in court or proven right - got a (revised) $2.4m golden handshake medal and a new job that she could never work at again due to this terrible unproven case - all within days....

What an argument Lee is - at his age and 'education' - for tight controls over social media and similar - including academia and its often outlandish assertions...

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One more time, Grapler. Let's do it again.
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Reply #321 - Jul 4th, 2024 at 10:54am
 
Deuce offended someone in a 'position' - they're after him ...

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chimera wrote on Jun 29th, 2024 at 4:19pm:
One more time, Grapler. Let's do it again.


The price of liberty from wrongful conviction of any kind is eternal vigilance.... someone has to stand on that wall 24/7 or it doesn't work.Simple rule - no proof - no conviction.
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 4th, 2024 at 10:54am:
Deuce offended someone in a 'position' - they're after him ...

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/former-liberal-staffer-bruce-lehrmann-c...


"Oh, Mr Lehrmann, yev done it again!"

Woman unconscious and he screws her.  Remind you of anything Grappler?

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Aussie wrote on Jul 4th, 2024 at 11:51am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 4th, 2024 at 10:54am:
Deuce offended someone in a 'position' - they're after him ...

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/former-liberal-staffer-bruce-lehrmann-c...


"Oh, Mr Lehrmann, yev done it again!"

Woman unconscious and he screws her.  Remind you of anything Grappler?

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Paywall.

Former Liberal staffer Bruce Lehrmann committed to stand trial on rape charges

Former Liberal party staffer Bruce Lehrmann has been committed to stand trial on two counts of rape. 

A magistrate today ruled there was sufficient evidence to have the matter determined by a jury or a judge alone.
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How did she know he screwed her if she was unconscious?

Aussterrity Measures?  The economy is unable to sustain unconsciousness so semi-unconsciousness will be the rule... anyone caught in breach of regulations will be knocked out!!  Times are so tough that some of you will just have to close your eyes and count to three.... on a rotational basis....

Of course they'd send it to trial - first of all they are chicken scared of the baying mob outside... secondly they are in hot pursuit of 'the agenda' to remove from all - men first - the right to be innocent until proven guilty and to receive any and all reasonable doubt.  What better way to approach demolition of the requirement for proof and the right to innocence other than through the highly emotive 'rape' crying?  It's so emotional that any feeling will do, said Lee.....

That's called 'law reform' in the social science sense .... we don't send the law to reform school to CORRECT its ways - we send it to the law reform affirming model clinic in order to solidify its wrongs and extend them into an overwhelming 'science'... it's the modern thing this 'affirmation' of things ... in this case it's 'translegal' and is all in the mind of the beholder..... a Lee Lack of Decision, you understand - when there is no doubt you are wrong, just make it up (back to the Dark Ages of the cave man style of judging) ... the confusion between reality and legal interpretation is a terrible thing to see.... many judges could benefit from surgery to remove distractions between their legs...
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Reply #326 - Jul 4th, 2024 at 12:07pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4th, 2024 at 11:56am:
Aussie wrote on Jul 4th, 2024 at 11:51am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 4th, 2024 at 10:54am:
Deuce offended someone in a 'position' - they're after him ...

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/former-liberal-staffer-bruce-lehrmann-c...


"Oh, Mr Lehrmann, yev done it again!"

Woman unconscious and he screws her.  Remind you of anything Grappler?

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Paywall.

Former Liberal staffer Bruce Lehrmann committed to stand trial on rape charges

Former Liberal party staffer Bruce Lehrmann has been committed to stand trial on two counts of rape. 

A magistrate today ruled there was sufficient evidence to have the matter determined by a jury or a judge alone.


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The woman who accused former Liberal party staffer Bruce Lehrmann of raping her in Toowoomba told police she was passed out and “woke up” to find him penetrating her and that he consoled her by saying “it’s OK, it’s OK” after she’d told him to stop.

Lehrmann was today committed to stand trial on two counts of rape after his defence team made an unsuccessful attempt to have the charges thrown out.

No plea has been entered and Lehrmann intends to fight the allegations.

The court heard the woman had been out drinking with friends and continued on to strip club The Vault, consuming four lines of cocaine in the hope she’d be “sober” enough to gain entry.

Once inside, the court heard she began talking to a man who she claims initially said his name was Bryce.

The court heard the pair caught a taxi back to the home of a school friend of Lehrmann where they got into bed together and had consensual sex.

During the night, they consumed more cocaine after Lehrmann discovered it in her bra, the hearing was told.

Crown prosecutor Nicole Friedewald said the woman said she was unconscious and woke to find Lehrmann penetrating her.

“Whilst (this) was occurring, the complainant had told the defendant to stop,” she told the court of the prosecution’s case.

“He confirmed to her that he was not wearing a condom, despite her insistence the night before that he do so during that one act of consensual intercourse.



“She then physically brought charge one, the act of penetration, to an end by positioning her body, forcing the defendant’s penis out of her body and despite all of this and these interactions, he immediately climbed on top of her and performed another act of sexual intercourse without wearing a condom once more.

“He did nothing, in my submission, to ascertain that she was consenting -

and to the contrary, her evidence is that he was consoling her throughout that act saying ‘it’s OK, it’s OK’.

“She describes her body as being limp and that she was not enthusiastic. He continued having intercourse with her until he ejaculated inside of her.”

Defence barrister Andrew Hoare argued the woman did not disclose any allegation of rape for some time, including later that morning, on October 10, 2021, when she asked Lehrmann to drive her to a chemist for the morning after pill.

“My client is absent and in a vehicle outside,” he told the court.

He said while inside, the woman was required to fill in a form that provided four options as to why she might need the morning after pill.

They included contraceptive failure (a split condom), missed contraceptive pills or diarrhoea or vomiting, sexual assault and contraception not used.

Mr Hoare said the woman ticked option one - contraceptive failure - and indicated that her last sexual activity had been two hours earlier.

”Just on two hours since the last sexual intercourse, the complainant does not tick that box,” he said.

He said she also did not make any disclosures at several medical appointments over the following days - including two where her mental health was discussed and a third where she was tested for STDs.

Mr Hoare said text messages to friends later that day included that she’d “had a bunch of fun with my friends” the night before.


He said a forensic medical report from a doctor - who the court heard did not meet with or receive any blood or breathe samples from the complainant - indicated the combination of alcohol and cocaine may have caused memory loss.

“The complainant using the term ‘I woke up’ is in fact a simile for ‘my next memory is this’,” Mr Hoare said.

Ms Friedewald said the woman disclosed the alleged rapes to two friends on November 6.

“It is not an uncommon occurrence for victims of offences of this kind to wait days, weeks...
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'A magistrate today ruled there was sufficient evidence to have the matter determined by a jury or a judge alone.
Mr Lehrmann's legal team had made the submission he had no case to answer and should not be committed to stand trial in the District Court.'
The judge referred the committal to Mr G Feller, of 24/7 Stand on the Wall who refused consent. Bruce sent Grapps a case of Johnnie Walker and the victim was left naked, by consent of Bruce.
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That's a Twiggy size case..... I thought you said there were no facts available, Aussie?

Hmmmm .... drugs, booze, consent ..... sounds like a .................... dead rubber ........... to me...

Now then - what about that tale that she only decided this was the story after she found out that Bryce was Deuce???

"she also did not make any disclosures at several medical appointments over the following days - including two where her mental health was discussed and a third where she was tested for STDs.

Mr Hoare said text messages to friends later that day included that she’d “had a bunch of fun with my friends” the night before.

He said a forensic medical report from a doctor - who the court heard did not meet with or receive any blood or breathe samples from the complainant - indicated the combination of alcohol and cocaine may have caused memory loss."


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That's a Twiggy size case..... I thought you said there were no facts available, Aussie?


That was published today Grappler.  Do catch up you idiot!

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Hmmmm .... drugs, booze, consent ..... sounds like a .................... dead rubber ........... to me...


Higgins, Take # 2.

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Now then - what about that tale that she only decided this was the story after she found out that Bryce was Deuce???


That's NOT what she decided.  Let's not mis-represent the facts so early in the piece, ey?

"she also did not make any disclosures at several medical appointments over the following days - including two where her mental health was discussed and a third where she was tested for STDs.

Mr Hoare said text messages to friends later that day included that she’d “had a bunch of fun with my friends” the night before.

He said a forensic medical report from a doctor - who the court heard did not meet with or receive any blood or breathe samples from the complainant - indicated the combination of alcohol and cocaine may have caused memory loss."


**falls about laughing** [/quote]

Yes, but did she consent?  Will Lehrmann be able to get in the Box and say she actually gave him consent, and if so, why did that consent (to the second screw) NOT come with the 'use a condom' condition, which was a condition of consent to the first screw?

Mr Lehrmann seems to like 'f
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Oooh - so NOW it's all right to splash lurid allegations around!!

Doesn't detract from the realities shown -

"she also did not make any disclosures at several medical appointments over the following days - including two where her mental health was discussed and a third where she was tested for STDs.

Mr Hoare said text messages to friends later that day included that she’d “had a bunch of fun with my friends” the night before.

He said a forensic medical report from a doctor - who the court heard did not meet with or receive any blood or breathe samples from the complainant - indicated the combination of alcohol and cocaine may have caused memory loss."


She also said she gave consent.... then her drug and booze addled mind, several weeks later and after finding out who Bryce was, decided she had some time said no.... keep up, Aussie - you idiot!!  Again - you're no lawyer, but you need mental help like mothra and Skanka ... something north of the border?  One of them personality disorders?

"Judge Lee, Magistrate Howden - you have been found not guilty of character murder on the basis that you were following direct orders from your political masters and were being weak-kneed bastards of no worth - you are, however, found guilty of conduct unbecoming a judge and are sentenced to dishonourable discharge from the Judge Corps."

"But why?  Why?  We did nothing wrong!  We protected the poor suffering girl like we were told - we were good mummy's boys!  We did nothing wrong!!!"

"Yeah - you did - you were supposed to protect people like Deuce...."
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Reply #331 - Jul 4th, 2024 at 2:57pm
 
Loooong ago - this 'woman' said she found out who 'Bryce ' was and then decided that it was 'rape'..... keep up, Aussie...

Clearly the judiciary is in desperate need of being cleared out and the survivors reamed with a big bastard file so as to get all the sh
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Judge Lee is obviously obsessed with the idea of rapacious men on every corner - makes you wonder  about his history ... and when unable to work out how 'Deuce plied her with wild booze all night long' on his card bill - which showed one round for the table plus two drinks (Deuce had two beers in front of him in a photo) and the shot of Deuce paying showed three beers not liquors - Lee replied:-  "He must have had a second source of funds!!"

Equivalent - "the perpetrator seen leaving was over 4'7" tall and had red hair - clearly Deuce being 5'9" is over 4'7" and clearly he had access to a second source of coloured hair!!"


Buggar - there goes the defence......   Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin
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'Call Dr Feller'
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'Did you examine the suffering, innocent, womanly victim?'
'The poor thing had Bruce all over her intimacies. He signed his work "Rape by B Lehrmann" using lipstick and wrote his blood group and semen count /ml'.
'Guilty'.
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Reply #333 - Jul 4th, 2024 at 3:58pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 4th, 2024 at 2:57pm:
Loooong ago - this 'woman' said she found out who 'Bryce ' was and then decided that it was 'rape'..... keep up, Aussie...


Incorrect.  She then (when she discovered the ID) decided to report the incident.  On her version, it was always rape, but she was content not to whinge about it UNTIL she realised the ID of the bloke who had screwed her was the same bloke who was in the media as having raped a woman in Canberra in strikingly similar circumstances.


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"relating to the night and morning following 9 October 2021."

"After messaging her friends about the alleged assault on 6 November, the complainant went to police 20 days later.

The court was told she made her formal complaint the day after seeing news coverage of the allegations by Brittany Higgins that Lehrmann raped her in parliament house and realising he was the same man who she knew only as Bruce who she alleges raped her the month prior in Toowoomba."


Down again, Aussie....... Aussie bites the dust yet again.... do you or any of the other clowns ever take a trick?

Drug and booze user sheila .... (Jesus, Deuce- not 'any old pussy in a storm, boy!!) ...
9th October - shag....
Next coupla days - 'had a great time ' ....
6th November (month later) - whines to mates .... sees news coverage of Deuce and Brittany And the Beast - decides the time is ripe for a claim and five minutes fame amongst her 'peers' in the drug hollows .... bit of 'victim's compensation'....
One full month plus 20 days to reckon she was 'raped'..... and a Queenslund 'magistrate' reckons this is grounds for a throw on the poker machine and possible injury again to a man's life.... for life.

Well - the DO do things diff'runtly there, you know... I suppose lynching isn't yet off the books....

Is it his piggy eyes or what?  Who DID Deuce offend in Cambra?

All done, Aussie.... anyone else.  Like Sacka and all the other facades in Lower Queenslund (where they DO things diff'runtly) - do you ever actually READ even the things you post?  Did you suffer a brain haemmorhage or something?  Severe Stroke?

Your mind, and their minds, are not functioning.... none of you can keep track ....
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Reply #335 - Jul 4th, 2024 at 6:13pm
 
Let's see Aussie deny reality again - a very common thing here with some - mothra, Sacka, smith a few others:-

"she also did not make any disclosures at several medical appointments over the following days - including two where her mental health was discussed and a third where she was tested for STDs.

Mr Hoare said text messages to friends later that day included that she’d “had a bunch of fun with my friends” the night before.

He said a forensic medical report from a doctor - who the court heard did not meet with or receive any blood or breathe samples from the complainant - indicated the combination of alcohol and cocaine may have caused memory loss."


"relating to the night and morning following 9 October 2021."

"After messaging her friends about the alleged assault on 6 November, the complainant went to police 20 days later.

The court was told she made her formal complaint the day after seeing news coverage of the allegations by Brittany Higgins that Lehrmann raped her in parliament house and realising he was the same man who she knew only as Bruce who she alleges raped her the month prior in Toowoomba."


FIFTY days later she figures it's cause for a complaint... FIFTY DAYS .. I guess that's long enough to think it over without really thinking about it, eh? ....and - as I said - AFTER SHE RECOGNISED THAT BRYCE WAS BRUCE THE DEUCE - (well - DUH!!  Room temperature IQ)!!!  This would be hilarious if it wasn't a man's life again on the line without proper reason.  The judges and magistrates should be on trial - and always are once True Justice comes along and the people rise in their righteous wrath...

Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin

**let's keep this revealing little document close, shall we?   Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/article/2024/jul/04/bruce-lehrmann-to...

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Reply #336 - Jul 4th, 2024 at 6:26pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 4th, 2024 at 5:59pm:
"relating to the night and morning following 9 October 2021."

"After messaging her friends about the alleged assault on 6 November, the complainant went to police 20 days later.

The court was told she made her formal complaint the day after seeing news coverage of the allegations by Brittany Higgins that Lehrmann raped her in parliament house and realising he was the same man who she knew only as Bruce who she alleges raped her the month prior in Toowoomba."


Down again, Aussie....... Aussie bites the dust yet again.... do you or any of the other clowns ever take a trick?

Drug and booze user sheila .... (Jesus, Deuce- not 'any old pussy in a storm, boy!!) ...
9th October - shag....
Next coupla days - 'had a great time ' ....
6th November (month later) - whines to mates .... sees news coverage of Deuce and Brittany And the Beast - decides the time is ripe for a claim and five minutes fame amongst her 'peers' in the drug hollows .... bit of 'victim's compensation'....
One full month plus 20 days to reckon she was 'raped'..... and a Queenslund 'magistrate' reckons this is grounds for a throw on the poker machine and possible injury again to a man's life.... for life.

Well - the DO do things diff'runtly there, you know... I suppose lynching isn't yet off the books....

Is it his piggy eyes or what?  Who DID Deuce offend in Cambra?

All done, Aussie.... anyone else.
  Like Sacka and all the other facades in Lower Queenslund (where they DO things diff'runtly) - do you ever actually READ even the things you post?  Did you suffer a brain haemmorhage or something?  Severe Stroke?

Your mind, and their minds, are not functioning.... none of you can keep track ....


Nothing is all done.  Lehrmann will stand Trial on the charge of rape.

I reckon, as I have said before, it is not the strongest case I have ever seen, but there is enough there for the Jury to consider his guilt or otherwise.

I will not be surprised either way.
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Ah - what a relief!!  Aussie has decided that denying reality and twisting it to attack me for stating the true news is not the way to go.

I thought he'd been in the front passenger seat of a bus on the Bruce Highway or something and had taken a hit to the head...

Clearly this woman was already receiving medical help for her behaviour and lifestyle including her substance abuse and even testing for STDs on a regular basis ... that doctor would have only read ongoing reports from others to determine her status at that time re 'memory loss' etc - probably fully recorded by the nurses etc ...

Deuce is clearly guilty of utterly poor taste.... root a skank?  No thanks....

So - FIFTY days to decide in between memory loss etc that she'd been 'raped' and a court goes for it... chicken sh
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Seriously - you clowns wonder why I refer to the silliness of the 'socialist centre' in Germany handing Hitler the Chancellor's job and assuming they could control him through the democratic process.... will of the majority - we've already seen Albo and his mates piss all over that after the voice defeat .... clearly NO doesn't mean NO to them when it suits them ....... again - do they seriously imagine that if they give the Aborigines inside running on everything that they will be controllable using the very democratic approach they just threw out the window?  Same here - if those dopey 'feminist' sheilas ever succeed in bringing down Law and its flimsy protections - they will very quickly find that they are incapable of even defending themselves ... and it is not likely the majority men police will intervene on their behalf given the attacks on men, and on the very Law those police are sworn to uphold.

I envisage a sort of Kristallnacht in Reverse - those who set out to smash the glass etc will end up bleeding in the gutters while the police etc either participate or look on....

Beware your demands for unjust laws and unjust dealing under law.... it WILL come back to bite you!  The flimsy protections of Law were set there for MORE than good reason.... and will not be lightly overthrown.

Now then - about that next dissertation about Neo-Feudalism.... of which this attitude is a part..... along with the voice by stealth ....

Neo-Feudalism at work on a 'lesser being' than the New Aristos - when you're handed a policy or a regulation or a 'law' you'll take it and like it!!  Bloody peasants ...:-

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**Oh, yes - 'judge' Lee and the reversion to the 'cave man' concept of men..... back to the Neo-Feudal Cave Man days of jurisprudence - wherein if you have not the PROOF in front of you as required - JUST MAKE IT UP!!  He had a secret source of funds and of course, was overcome with lust..... therefore he must have done it.... he also had a pumpkin turn into a Uber later  and restored the Great Library of Alexandira.... just like that!!  I believe Lee is viewing his possible connection to the Kennedy job....

This kind of thing is what went down in courts run by the likes of Lee at least two decades ago - when the time of the penetrating inquiries into police and their evidence etc were all going through and the results were astronomical..... now Lee has simply turned the new rule book that requires PROOF and not assumptions and suppositions and suggestions and allegations on its head.  Clearly he is prematurely senile or has some other serious issue that should rightly preclude him from the bench.  I guess they'll find it hard to appoint Catholic School boys to the bench in future... another watershed.... I predicted that Abbott would be the watershed for the LNP - that Albo would be the watershed for Labor ... and now this....

Footnote:-  I had an old Digger mate - he was never any good with women..... now the cops have asked me about a couple of recent shirtless photos of his put out online - and asked about 'certain predilections' on his part.... I never thought that being 'bad with women' meant something else..... Jesus... never noticed anything like 'that'...... but they're after him .... WTF???  Lips Sealed
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Dear Mr Grappler,
Following your recent visits to our clinic and relaxation facility, it was decided by the committee to offer you this schedule.
Diagnosing high blood pressure
Meaning      Top number (systolic) mm Hg      Bottom number (diastolic) mm Hg
Optimal      Less than 120      and Less than 80
Normal      120 to 129      and/or 80 to 84
High-normal      130 to 139      and/or 85 to 89
High      Greater than 140      and/or Greater than 90.
Please call urgently to meet Dr Bruce or Dr Lehrmann.
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Antipsychotic medications work by altering brain chemistry to help reduce psychotic symptoms like hallucinations, delusions and disordered thinking.
They can also help prevent those symptoms from returning.
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Ah - what a relief!!  Aussie has decided that denying reality and twisting it to attack me for stating the true news is not the way to go.


I've twisted nothing you idiot.



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Clearly this woman was already receiving medical help for her behaviour and lifestyle including her substance abuse and even testing for STDs on a regular basis ... that doctor would have only read ongoing reports from others to determine her status at that time re 'memory loss' etc - probably fully recorded by the nurses etc ...


So, she is legally rapeable because of those issues? "Line up Boys, Grappler first."



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So - FIFTY days to decide in between memory loss etc that she'd been 'raped' and a court goes for it... chicken shi
ts licking the balls of the mad feminist lobby who are intent on bringing down the Patriarchy one legal right at a time and reducing it to the Law of the Jungle...... which they imagine they can control ....


There you go again, misrepresenting the evidence.  It was not fifty days  "to decide in between memory loss etc that she'd been 'raped'."

It was days before event the event was officially reported.  Keep to the known allegations, Grappler and leave your silly script writing out of it.

It does not work in this environment.

Take it to The Tavern.  There is where you have licence to bullshit.
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Reply #342 - Jul 4th, 2024 at 7:35pm
 
Oh - dear - he WAS in the front seats in that bush crash on the Bruce Highway.... rule #1 NO BRUCES!

Oh, dear, Aussie - you ARE in a bad way:-

"Clearly this woman was already receiving medical help for her behaviour and lifestyle including her substance abuse and even testing for STDs on a regular basis ... that doctor would have only read ongoing reports from others to determine her status at that time re 'memory loss' etc - probably fully recorded by the nurses etc ...


So, she is legally rapeable because of those issues?"


Don't know where you got that twisted, demented viewpoint - let alone the other scurrilous attempt... you're doing a Lee and PRESUMING rape - the issues there are her 'memory loss', substance abuse affecting recollection and behaviour patterns, he need to be tested for STDs regularly as a result of her clear pattern of irresponsible, drug-fueled behaviour, and other issues surrounding her clear need for ongoing medical treatment and supervision on a regular basis.

Nobody said that meant she was 'fair game' - she apparently handles that quite well on her own....

You, and Lee and this 'magistrate' and quite a few other fork-wits have simply got to stop reading in to everything and stick to the hard facts.... she took FIFTY DAYS to determine, in her drug-addled mind, that since Bryce was Deuce - after - ASI SAID - hearing that he WAS Deuce The Beast of the St Brittany And the Beast fable - HE was fair game..... now that's a lot of water under the bridge for someone clearly drug-addled and most likely - on the evidence there - suffering from some VERY serious mental issues.  Afdter all - why was she a drug addict and in receipt of such inteensive and regular health care?????? Why would anyone trust her recollection a month after - let alone fifty days later?  What ARE these 'judges' and 'magistrates doing?  On the same drugs?

Not mothra is it?  She has those South Dakota type mental circuits..... (see video) ...

Long ago, they said of Kennedy that after his Presidency, it would be a LOOOONG time before America had another Catholic for Prez.... we've had Abbott, now Albo, and now 'judge' Lee from the Catholic plug holes (receiving spinal taps perhaps?) .... all three total watersheds in politics and jurisprudence and all three reversions to the Cave Man Dark Ages of Feudalism and 'Overlordship' in their own minds and their attitude to the 'Fellow' Men (those damned lunch money thieves! - grrrr .. that Flanders...) ... no wonder Albo and Lee likely love 'the voice' and Abo Supremacism as the New Overlords complete with Land Enclosures and Round-ups and Exclusions of Clanspeople from Open Range Lands to create private hunting reserves and spiritual retreats for the New Aristocracy ... my mother was a Cat'lic and what a relief that she never raised us .... I get on well with the Cat'lic rellies but hell... they're a bit more open-minded than most ...

Are you a Cat'lic, too, Aussie?  Or just ... you know .... head stuffed like this sheila?  Mind you - in OUR kind of kind government ANYONE is entitled to create an accusation out of thin air ... smoke on the water or whatever....!!!!
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9th OCTOBER to 6th NOVEMBER = one month..... let's say a round thirty days...... then ANOTHER twenty days in that report to make it official after ranting to her friends .... that equals FIFTY days, Aussie.... FIFTY DAYS of drug use and pissing this over and over with 'friends' over a toke or fifteen and clear mental issues already  ..... yeah.... yeah.... maaaaan .... has to be true, eh???  Oh, look - Bryce is Deuce .. Brittany and the Beast!!!!!!  Will I call RAAAAPE or wait and see if there's something in it for me? Leave it with me for a few weeks..... maaaaaaan ...

I can SMELL this one.....

Come back?? I've got a shower to have and football to watch..... take your time.... you're not going anywhere, after all...  never have - never will.... bus accident, you see .... or was it a stroke?
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The defence barrister Andrew Hoare is waiting now to take your call.
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Reply #345 - Jul 4th, 2024 at 9:41pm
 
Free Deuce!

Oh .... wait a minute again..... he's not in the slammer ... and on this reading of 'law' he never will be....

Now then - how's his appeal against Lee going and how is the Reynolds/Higgins Saga?  Reckon they'll wear him down yet?  Lawfare you understand... using 'law' coupled with prejudices and such to get your way... and wow - a reversion to the good old days of 'class lawfare' with the fat wallets holding sway..... then to make it worse the 'judge' manufactures 'evidence' in his head to fill in the gaps!!!  Amazing in the 21st Century....

Soon we'll be back to the days of poof crime and such - the good old cave man days of 'jurisprudence' ..... infallible judges steeped in fine liquor.... and totally biased... amazing that Aussie claims to have defended some bloke accused of rape ... but the moment deuce was accused - with near zero evidence - Aussie wanted him hung, drawn and quartered.

Brain damage, you see?  Now you toddle along and try to avoid the same fate.

God is clearly on the side of the big wallets..... now that needs fixing right here and now....
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chimera wrote on Jul 4th, 2024 at 7:19pm:
Antipsychotic medications work by altering brain chemistry to help reduce psychotic symptoms like hallucinations, delusions and disordered thinking.
They can also help prevent those symptoms from returning.


Not really. I was on an involuntary treatment order from the years 2006 to 2008. Risperidone and then Flupentixol were used to treat my condition. I was off the medication for about 7 years until November of 2015. The mental health assessor -- and I forget her title -- suggested that I go on medication again. I refused once. Then when I went back to the hospital to insist on proper treatment, mental health stepped back in and said that they were not going to let me leave unless I was on some medication. I was on my way home with a packet of Olazapine. That was nearly 9 years ago. So far, no troubles. But I would not be surprised if I had to go back on some short-term medication to clear up hallucinatory thinking in about 10 years time.

The concept of the "Mandela Effect" seems to apply to me.
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Reply #347 - Jul 5th, 2024 at 1:38am
 
Hmmm ....  just hmmmmmm....

Now then - about that simple maths of adding 30 days to 20 ..... ummmm ... I can see a few here who would benefit from doing fifty days.... might calm and order their thinking for them to confront the truly awake world out there....  Cool

"But I didn't do it!" - said Mothra Aussie Smith....

"Come along quietly, tovarich - you understand how this is working.... you have been denounced and is no appeal to court or law ....... Deuce Decision applies.... do you have any hidden source of cash to buy drinks or you try to pay bribe?  If not we can say that you did.. is no problem... Canberra Rules...."
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Let us then put the polish to the balls of Aussie over this time line thing:-

"About a month later, she saw media coverage of Lehrmann being charged with the rape of Brittany Higgins in the office of then-defence industry minister Linda Reynolds at Parliament House in March 2019, while both were employed by the senator.

The woman then googled "Brittany Higgins rapist" and recognised Lehrmann, who had told her his name was Bryce.

"Honestly, if I had not found out who he was, I would not have reported it I think," the woman said in a text message."



"So it was about a month ago you saw the Deuce Lehrmann?"

"We have not seen no Deuce here."

"In the Lee Reich we take our grammar very seriously.... so you DID see Deuce.... or some Deuce... one month ago?  Or the juice of some Deuce?  Or a deuce of Deuces perhaps?"

"My eyes were a little confused..."

"You also forgot to cross your tees on the golf course.... so when did you last see the Deuce Lehrmann?"

"About... four weeks ago I thought I saw the Deuce Lehrmann oyster diving... down by the fork..... but when I got there.... there was no Deuce there... only a Bryce... no Bruce here...."
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I don't understand how one man can take the most obnoxious stand on practically every issue by choice, and then pretend to be the victim because of it...
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SadKangaroo wrote on Jul 5th, 2024 at 2:27pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 5th, 2024 at 6:31am:
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I don't understand how one man can take the most obnoxious stand on practically every issue by choice, and then pretend to be the victim because of it...


I can, but only if he has been burned by some woman in his past and he has been tilting at female windmills ever since.  Women start off, according to Grappler with an implied certainty that they are lying.

Higgins says she woke up and Lehrmann was penetrating her.  Grappler, with no basis for saying it, claims she is lying about that.
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We need to apply the Lee Values here..... clearly even though this 'woman' says she didn't want to do the ten o'clock the next morning round after a tempestuous night long epic, she was so overcome by lust that her body was going to have its way regardless..... and when it comes to the reality of her plying Deuce with her mental issues all night, without there being any evidence of doctor's etc reports allowed (nah - can't discuss her mental state as she makes accusations, can we?)  we are forced to accept that she had a secret hidden source of mental deficit...

Thank Dog for Judge Lee and his common sense... he's cleared up the absolute right to simply make things up and insert them to fill any gaps that seem to be in the case ........
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SadKangaroo wrote on Jul 5th, 2024 at 2:27pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 5th, 2024 at 6:31am:
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I don't understand how one man can take the most obnoxious stand on practically every issue by choice, and then pretend to be the victim because of it...


I merely discuss the issues - Deuce is not a rapist.... never been proven so....

You are truly weird....

I take it you are like Aussie and incapable of understanding that the time lapse between 9th October and 6th November is (exact figure for you dopes) 28 days .... at which point by her own statement she saw deuce on the teev and realised that Bryce was the same guy, and jumped on the phone to her friend...... then waited a further 20 days before making any complaint of 'rape' - even to you morons that equals 48 days.... seven weeks between the claimed 'no consent' episode and any complaint and after she herself said she only considered it when she found out who Bryce was on national teev ..... during which time she had medical things including ongoing mental health consultations and said nothing about this 'terrible' incident .....

So what is your problem,?  You are absolute filth even considering that anyone should be instantly condemned on the basis of such a ridiculous story of nothing.... clearly you are all psychopaths who just love harming others and seeing them harmed.... and you have zero regard for law or for simple truths.

You are gutter filth even thinking that the idiotic statement of 'judge' Lee meant or means that guilt was found in a proper court of criminal law... and that the accused who had the case dropped is somehow guilty.

You're all mad in the SEQET Garden full of vegetables down there at the bottom of Queenslund.

I do trust you will feel the same when they come for you on the same basis.... oh dear old Kanga raped someone seven weeks ago.... it was at the end of a night of passion by consent..... but we think the mental elf issue woman said no because she now says so - IF she can remember at all given her issues - and only realised when Kanga was on national Teev that he was actually Kevin Rudd!!!  What a score for a civil action that would be!!

No conviction - no claim of anyone being a rapist, Aussie - but you know that.... no wonder they disbarred you.
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Aussie wrote on Jul 5th, 2024 at 2:33pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Jul 5th, 2024 at 2:27pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 5th, 2024 at 6:31am:
Crappler still defending rapists?
Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


I don't understand how one man can take the most obnoxious stand on practically every issue by choice, and then pretend to be the victim because of it...


I can, but only if he has been burned by some woman in his past and he has been tilting at female windmills ever since.  Women start off, according to Grappler with an implied certainty that they are lying.

Higgins says she woke up and Lehrmann was penetrating her.  Grappler, with no basis for saying it, claims she is lying about that.


OH?  When did I say Higgins was lying about it?  Maybe she did, maybe she didn't - Higgins said days after the event when she was on the carpet in the office that she woke up etc - but there is ZERO corroborating evidence - she was drunk - maybe she dreamed it all - NOBODY can know.  End of discussion, dick-head.

You HAVE heard of evidence, haven't you?

Are you a congenital idiot or did it take years of serious study?

Aussie we all understand  - he's lost his marbles... but you?  You don't even begin to understand reality ...
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I defend facts and law - you defend unwarranted and illegal violence against people purely on accusation never proven.  Clearly you need help, too.

Would you say all that to deuce's face if he were right there in front of you?  Think carefully ....... very carefully ... about what you would do in your delusional self-righteous state ...... the doors of the cells are yawning wide for any and all of you .....

Let's see you!!

Views I take ................. 61/39 ....................................... 76/81  .......................... a person never convicted is not guilty ....

Now then - about those views your lack of balls  prevent you from holding with any conviction ......  f
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ck the 61% democratic majority ...... f
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ck the 76 Aboriginal women killed out of 81 between 2000 and 2024 in the Terr'uh'tree (forget about the 300+ missing) .... f
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ck the rules and demands of Law that dictate that a person never found guilty cannot be called by that crime...

Your kind NEED to be placed in a gulag to get your minds right.... mad as hatters - filled with hate, Messiah Complexes  .. racist ... genderist ... law-breakers and deniers (outlaws) .... criminals harbouring violent intent towards others ... psychopaths who enjoy seeing someone else done down ....

A body of shrinks would have a field day with all of you ....   Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes
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even to you morons that equals 48 days.

Poor girl was warned that Judge Grappler does the girlie decisions and she has no chance.
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Reply #358 - Jul 5th, 2024 at 7:38pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 5th, 2024 at 6:59pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Jul 5th, 2024 at 2:27pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 5th, 2024 at 6:31am:
Crappler still defending rapists?
Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


I don't understand how one man can take the most obnoxious stand on practically every issue by choice, and then pretend to be the victim because of it...


I merely discuss the issues - Deuce is not a rapist.... never been proven so....

You are truly weird....

I take it you are like Aussie and incapable of understanding that the time lapse between 9th October and 6th November is (exact figure for you dopes) 28 days .... at which point by her own statement she saw deuce on the teev and realised that Bryce was the same guy, and jumped on the phone to her friend...... then waited a further 20 days before making any complaint of 'rape' - even to you morons that equals 48 days.... seven weeks between the claimed 'no consent' episode and any complaint and after she herself said she only considered it when she found out who Bryce was on national teev ..... during which time she had medical things including ongoing mental health consultations and said nothing about this 'terrible' incident .....

So what is your problem,?  You are absolute filth even considering that anyone should be instantly condemned on the basis of such a ridiculous story of nothing.... clearly you are all psychopaths who just love harming others and seeing them harmed.... and you have zero regard for law or for simple truths.

You are gutter filth even thinking that the idiotic statement of 'judge' Lee meant or means that guilt was found in a proper court of criminal law... and that the accused who had the case dropped is somehow guilty.

You're all mad in the SEQET Garden full of vegetables down there at the bottom of Queenslund.

I do trust you will feel the same when they come for you on the same basis.... oh dear old Kanga raped someone seven weeks ago.... it was at the end of a night of passion by consent..... but we think the mental elf issue woman said no because she now says so - IF she can remember at all given her issues - and only realised when Kanga was on national Teev that he was actually Kevin Rudd!!!  What a score for a civil action that would be!!

No conviction - no claim of anyone being a rapist, Aussie - but you know that.... no wonder they disbarred you.


And that establishes how wide from the mark you are, Grappler.
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" no wonder they disbarred you."

Anyone can have a single short round... so where did your outrageous and anti-Law views on guilt come from?  Guilt by accusation you KNOW is verboten... insertion of assumption by a 'judge' to fill in gaps in finding guilt are more than verboten ..... doesn't stop 'em but Deuce will win on appeal or a grave injustice will have been done.

48 days.... Jesus.... they could have built several houses in that time....  I remember 48 days ago seeing Greg Pecc rape someone... yeah.... there was a chance several days later at a regular medical appointment including mental health to say something, but it simply didn't occur to the claimant to do so ...  yeah... yeah .... four full weeks later seeing him on national tv she figured she should ring a mate and 'wow' it to the mate.... then wait nearly three weeks again before deciding that the time was ripe to say - "Oh - but I said no in mid-stream!"

Jesus, Aussie.... give us a break with this 'protecting the victim' BS - there IS NO perpetrator until a case is proven... and therefore no opportunity to say that 'victim' (read complainant) has been 'protected' in any way...

What happened to you, Aussie?  You used to be a shyster we could rely on to at least uphold the right..... was it Brittany And The Beast with all its flaws that did you down?  You need to get that looked at very seriously.... I mean - we get some here who seem to imagine that by going on and on and on and never meeting anything, they are 'getting at me' - I'm calmly returning my 16"/38 rounds and demolishing them ...

Now then - which of you vigilante heroes is going to front Deuce and tell him, to his face, what you think ....... Skanka is out - got an appointment at Fraser Island to sell those woosy 'Aboriginal rights to everything on claim/demand' to those who live there.... I suppose you can see the comparison..... dumb if you don't...

You want everyone Man convicted on accusation - Skanka wants everything handed over to his pets on demand...... wow - Skanka's interpretations of this 'truth telling thing' in Queenslund should be interesting to dissect day after day.... have they decided the shape of the table yet?   Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 5th, 2024 at 7:05pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 5th, 2024 at 6:31am:
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I defend facts and law - you defend unwarranted and illegal violence against people purely on accusation never proven.  Clearly you need help, too.

Would you say all that to deuce's face if he were right there in front of you?  Think carefully ....... very carefully ... about what you would do in your delusional self-righteous state ...... the doors of the cells are yawning wide for any and all of you .....

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You don't do facts,  only victimology.  Your area of expertise
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 5th, 2024 at 8:29pm:
there IS NO perpetrator until a case is proven... and therefore no opportunity to say that 'victim' (read complainant) has been 'protected' in any way...

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chimera wrote on Jul 5th, 2024 at 8:36pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 5th, 2024 at 8:29pm:
there IS NO perpetrator until a case is proven... and therefore no opportunity to say that 'victim' (read complainant) has been 'protected' in any way...

oh.
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Yup - there is an alleged perpetrator - who may or may not be the person actually accused.... and unless and until a crime has been shown to have been committed on evidence conclusive - no possibility exists of either a victim or a perpetrator.

Zo - zomeone zays they remember waking up etc.... vass zis TRUE or vass it illusion... dream schtate? Unlezz zey can Zhow somedink more it is not bossible to kontinue....

Chimera, drunk as ein skunk, recalls vaking up being bonked...... chimera wakes up later and zere are no zigns off Chimera having been bonked.... vat are ve to conclude?

ZAT iss zer qvestion!!
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John Smith wrote on Jul 5th, 2024 at 8:31pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 5th, 2024 at 7:05pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 5th, 2024 at 6:31am:
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I defend facts and law - you defend unwarranted and illegal violence against people purely on accusation never proven.  Clearly you need help, too.

Would you say all that to deuce's face if he were right there in front of you?  Think carefully ....... very carefully ... about what you would do in your delusional self-righteous state ...... the doors of the cells are yawning wide for any and all of you .....

Let's see you!!



You don't do facts,  only victimology.  Your area of expertise



Show me where..... your words are, as usual, empty as your head ...
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and unless and until a crime has been shown to have been committed on evidence conclusive - no possibility exists of either a victim or a perpetrator.

So judgment comes before anyone is charged.
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chimera wrote on Jul 6th, 2024 at 5:52am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 5th, 2024 at 8:54pm:
and unless and until a crime has been shown to have been committed on evidence conclusive - no possibility exists of either a victim or a perpetrator.

So judgment comes before anyone is charged.
interesting.



I'm absolutely certain that a person is the victim of an assault from the moment the assault takes place.

Not the moment a court rules on it.

I quite honestly can't believe i'm having to type all of that out.

What lunatic refutes it?

Crappler, that's who. Ozpol's pigeon in chief.

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Hands up if you know why people don't always immediately report sexual assault and why sometimes they never do?
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Hands up if you know why people don't always immediately report sexual assault and why sometimes they never do?

Because, as Germain Greer said, most rape is bad, banal, insensitive sex.


"Rape is a jagged outcrop in the vast monotonous landscape of bad sex"

https://books.google.com.au/books/about/On_Rape.html?id=azxpDwAAQBAJ&source=kp_b...
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Hands up if you know why people don't always immediately report sexual assault and why sometimes they never do?


First split off rape from 'sexual assault' - then we'll talk.  Deliberately inflating the claimed figures for RAPE y including 'he looked up my dress on the stairs' will hot help your case.  Why not throw in 'rape ideation' as well... just to make up the numbers.....

Rape is THE minority crime...

Countless reasons.... I'm sure your propaganda has a list unrelated to reality...

. poor reaction from police  ... lie...
- public humiliation - lie - their names are protected while The Deuce is named and shamed long before any attempt at a trial ....
- lack of facilities in emergency rooms - lie ...
- adverse family reaction - lie ....

I've got one for you - woman already undergoing mental elf treatment, some of it within three days of this event, with reports already  written stating 'high probability of memory loss' (etc) due to substance abuse - takes four weeks to realise that the bloke she willingly shagged is The Deuce!!  ... only does so when he is shown on TV ....then waits another twenty days to make any official complaint of a besotted recollection of Round (choose a number) after a wild night of shagging where she recalls mumbling 'NO'........ forty eight days in all - seven weeks...... during which any 'evidence' is long gone ..... and we are left with the accusation standing forlorn and alone ..........  waiting for a security truck filled with cash ....

Enter stage left - The Magistrate - posing as defender of all that is true, right, just and equal ......

"Aha!  MY five minutes of fame here - and a possible promotion from the Labor government for siding with their push for 'guilt upon accusation' (denouncement) only followed by dire punishment for life..... but only for men ... mothra will love that ... aussie will have kittens again ...."

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mothra wrote on Jul 6th, 2024 at 6:38am:
Hands up if you know why people don't always immediately report sexual assault and why sometimes they never do?


First split off rape from 'sexual assault' - then we'll talk.  Deliberately inflating the claimed figures for RAPE y including 'he looked up my dress on the stairs' will hot help your case.  Why not throw in 'rape ideation' as well... just to make up the numbers.....

Rape is THE minority crime...


The one time you're defending the minority, and you're doing it wrong...
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Mr G. you're the minority, and you're doing it wrong...

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Frank wrote on Jul 6th, 2024 at 2:20pm:
mothra wrote on Jul 6th, 2024 at 6:38am:
Hands up if you know why people don't always immediately report sexual assault and why sometimes they never do?

Because, as Germain Greer said, most rape is bad, banal, insensitive sex.


"Rape is a jagged outcrop in the vast monotonous landscape of bad sex"

https://books.google.com.au/books/about/On_Rape.html?id=azxpDwAAQBAJ&source=kp_b...


So women should make themselves available for sex at a man's whim? This is of course, the logical conclusion of your argument. Were you assulted? Were you beaten? Was a weapon held on you? Were you bound? Denied movement? Denied agency?

Were you traumatised?

Which of these demonstrated a crime against personhood, Frank? You absolute idiot?

And citing Germaine when she's at her outright battiest and most controversial is just a shameless example of how very fickle you are ... so flimsy is the sand you have built your world view on, anyone will do to side with ... for the instant their useful of course. I cab assure you that you have far less in common with Greer and that this outlier, so desperately clung to by you and your patriarchal view that women ought serve the various "needs" of men is in stark contrast to absolutely everything else she's ever said.

Any port in the storm, eh fruitbat.
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Reply #372 - Jul 8th, 2024 at 6:40am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 6th, 2024 at 3:19pm:
mothra wrote on Jul 6th, 2024 at 6:38am:
Hands up if you know why people don't always immediately report sexual assault and why sometimes they never do?


First split off rape from 'sexual assault' - then we'll talk.  Deliberately inflating the claimed figures for RAPE y including 'he looked up my dress on the stairs' will hot help your case.  Why not throw in 'rape ideation' as well... just to make up the numbers.....

Rape is THE minority crime...

Countless reasons.... I'm sure your propaganda has a list unrelated to reality...

. poor reaction from police  ... lie...
- public humiliation - lie - their names are protected while The Deuce is named and shamed long before any attempt at a trial ....
- lack of facilities in emergency rooms - lie ...
- adverse family reaction - lie ....

I've got one for you - woman already undergoing mental elf treatment, some of it within three days of this event, with reports already  written stating 'high probability of memory loss' (etc) due to substance abuse - takes four weeks to realise that the bloke she willingly shagged is The Deuce!!  ... only does so when he is shown on TV ....then waits another twenty days to make any official complaint of a besotted recollection of Round (choose a number) after a wild night of shagging where she recalls mumbling 'NO'........ forty eight days in all - seven weeks...... during which any 'evidence' is long gone ..... and we are left with the accusation standing forlorn and alone ..........  waiting for a security truck filled with cash ....

Enter stage left - The Magistrate - posing as defender of all that is true, right, just and equal ......

"Aha!  MY five minutes of fame here - and a possible promotion from the Labor government for siding with their push for 'guilt upon accusation' (denouncement) only followed by dire punishment for life..... but only for men ... mothra will love that ... aussie will have kittens again ...."

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There is nothing there worth responding to. It's just gibberish.

Lunatic ravings.

The only thing i gleaned was that somehow you think women who've been raped are required by you to be of a certain character type and to report the incident in a timely fashion or else be forever vilified by sad, lonely, delusional old men on the internet.

Thankfully, this is all quite antiquated and we now understand why women, men and children can take time in reporting assaults against them. More often than not, they never do.

The single greatest irony is you anachronistic misogynists wonder why ... after trash talking these already at least potentially traumatised women publicly, all in the myopic and eye-wateringly moronic PRESUMPTION that they are lying.

And now amount of window dressing or blustering is going to detract from the very really fact that that is precisely what you are doing.
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mothra wrote on Jul 8th, 2024 at 6:40am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 6th, 2024 at 3:19pm:
mothra wrote on Jul 6th, 2024 at 6:38am:
Hands up if you know why people don't always immediately report sexual assault and why sometimes they never do?


First split off rape from 'sexual assault' - then we'll talk.  Deliberately inflating the claimed figures for RAPE y including 'he looked up my dress on the stairs' will hot help your case.  Why not throw in 'rape ideation' as well... just to make up the numbers.....

Rape is THE minority crime...

Countless reasons.... I'm sure your propaganda has a list unrelated to reality...

. poor reaction from police  ... lie...
- public humiliation - lie - their names are protected while The Deuce is named and shamed long before any attempt at a trial ....
- lack of facilities in emergency rooms - lie ...
- adverse family reaction - lie ....

I've got one for you - woman already undergoing mental elf treatment, some of it within three days of this event, with reports already  written stating 'high probability of memory loss' (etc) due to substance abuse - takes four weeks to realise that the bloke she willingly shagged is The Deuce!!  ... only does so when he is shown on TV ....then waits another twenty days to make any official complaint of a besotted recollection of Round (choose a number) after a wild night of shagging where she recalls mumbling 'NO'........ forty eight days in all - seven weeks...... during which any 'evidence' is long gone ..... and we are left with the accusation standing forlorn and alone ..........  waiting for a security truck filled with cash ....

Enter stage left - The Magistrate - posing as defender of all that is true, right, just and equal ......

"Aha!  MY five minutes of fame here - and a possible promotion from the Labor government for siding with their push for 'guilt upon accusation' (denouncement) only followed by dire punishment for life..... but only for men ... mothra will love that ... aussie will have kittens again ...."

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zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz as usual you have hit right to the heart of every non-issue involved here without a single ad hom zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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So - why would anyone NOT report a crime in a timely fashion?

Who said that ALL women who behaved the way this one did - and who already was in receipt of mental health reports referred to by a doctor, which reports said she had memory losses - were in the same category?

You really are rabid, aren't you, mothra?  such hate that you spread one case out like manure being washed out of a cow shed to cover all -

I never mentioned ALL allegations of rape - YOU did - and then tried to say that somehow in discussing one, I was discussing all!

Are you mad?  Or is it pure stupidity?

THIS woman was receiving mental elf treatment before shagging Deuce; she had records showing memory problems from substance abuse and perhaps other things - THIS woman failed for 48 days to make any complaint - THIS woman didn't even consider such a thing until she saw Deuce on national television in regard to the Brittany And The Beast fantasy four weeks later and then waited a further twenty days - THIS woman had zero substantial evidence, either - THIS woman similarly had an alleged drunken/drugged recollection of mumbling NO in the middle of one of the many sessions that night/morning ....

Are you mad?  How DARE you even try to suggest I said such things about ALL such cases?

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Reply #375 - Jul 8th, 2024 at 1:33pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 8th, 2024 at 1:17pm:
So - why would anyone NOT report a crime in a timely fashion?

Who said that ALL women who behaved the way this one did - and who already was in receipt of mental health reports referred to by a doctor, which reports said she had memory losses - were in the same category?

You really are rabid, aren't you, mothra?  such hate that you spread one case out like manure being washed out of a cow shed to cover all -

I never mentioned ALL allegations of rape - YOU did - and then tried to say that somehow in discussing one, I was discussing all!

Are you mad?  Or is it pure stupidity?

THIS woman was receiving mental elf treatment before shagging Deuce; she had records showing memory problems from substance abuse and perhaps other things - THIS woman failed for 48 days to make any complaint - THIS woman didn't even consider such a thing until she saw Deuce on national television in regard to the Brittany And The Beast fantasy four weeks later and then waited a further twenty days - THIS woman had zero substantial evidence, either - THIS woman similarly had an alleged drunken/drugged recollection of mumbling NO in the middle of one of the many sessions that night/morning ....

Are you mad?  How DARE you even try to suggest I said such things about ALL such cases?

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Grappler, do you reckon Lehrmann will give evidence (i.e. in the Witness Box) in this one?
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Reply #376 - Jul 8th, 2024 at 1:45pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 8th, 2024 at 1:17pm:
So - why would anyone NOT report a crime in a timely fashion?



Because of people JUST LIKE YOU
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Reply #377 - Jul 8th, 2024 at 1:53pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jul 8th, 2024 at 1:33pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 8th, 2024 at 1:17pm:
So - why would anyone NOT report a crime in a timely fashion?

Who said that ALL women who behaved the way this one did - and who already was in receipt of mental health reports referred to by a doctor, which reports said she had memory losses - were in the same category?

You really are rabid, aren't you, mothra?  such hate that you spread one case out like manure being washed out of a cow shed to cover all -

I never mentioned ALL allegations of rape - YOU did - and then tried to say that somehow in discussing one, I was discussing all!

Are you mad?  Or is it pure stupidity?

THIS woman was receiving mental elf treatment before shagging Deuce; she had records showing memory problems from substance abuse and perhaps other things - THIS woman failed for 48 days to make any complaint - THIS woman didn't even consider such a thing until she saw Deuce on national television in regard to the Brittany And The Beast fantasy four weeks later and then waited a further twenty days - THIS woman had zero substantial evidence, either - THIS woman similarly had an alleged drunken/drugged recollection of mumbling NO in the middle of one of the many sessions that night/morning ....

Are you mad?  How DARE you even try to suggest I said such things about ALL such cases?

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Grappler, do you reckon Lehrmann will give evidence (i.e. in the Witness Box) in this one?



I doubt he'll have to..... there's already enough tom-foolery surrounding this 'case' that it is the laughing stock of even Toowoomba.... Souf East Queenslund border with the rest, you know... funny lot even there ... no wonder the rest of Queenslund want to cut off from that corner....

What's your view now of the 48 days without a word other than to some 'friend' on the phone on the day she saw deuce on tv?  What about the doctor who - long before any complaint and in merely reviewing the files already held on the 'complainant' for her mental elf issues and substance abuse - said she had memory losses or lapses?

What about this ruler of the king's navy magistrate going for his five minutes of fame?   Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes

Future Governor of Queenslund spot for standing in the barricades with at least one major component of 'The Cause' - that component being to bring down that part of the Patriarchy which demands ... DEMANDS (how dare they?) ... that a person be considered innocent, that no conviction can be made on other than compelling evidence supported by corroboration and indeed hard evidence, and that no conviction on accusation/denunciation can take place in THIS country?

mothra - in her asylum room next door to Kanga down there - has already assumed deuce is 'guilty' and that everyone is attacking 'the poor victim' by discussing such things..... mothra of course is insane... Kanga is a sock .... where would you like to stand this time?

For the abolition of Law and its substitution with guilt by denunciation?  Or are you ready to stand by Law properly and expect evidence, corroboration, substance and reason to hold sway, and all ex-culpatory evidence to be open and offered in court?

Difficult crossroads for so many of you - it must be that hot sun and the water up there.....
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I doubt he'll have to..... there's already enough tom-foolery surrounding this 'case' that it is the laughing stock of even Toowoomba.... Souf East Queenslund border with the rest, you know... funny lot even there ... no wonder the rest of Queenslund want to cut off from that corner....


Well, a Magistrate has determined there is a strong enough case to go to a Jury.  Let's see if the Trial Judge agrees whenever that happens.

If there is no case strong enough for a Jury to consider, then the Trial Judge can take it away from the Jury. 

I have always had the view that this Toowoomba case was problematic, but I'll wait to see/hear all the evidence before I get a final conclusion.

Do you think Bruce admitted to the Cops he had intercourse with her on that second relevant occasions, no condom?

What DID he say to the Cops?

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mothra - in her asylum room next door to Kanga down there - has already assumed deuce is 'guilty' and that everyone is attacking 'the poor victim' by discussing such things..... mothra of course is insane... Kanga is a sock .... where would you like to stand this time?


It says something about you when you have to assume that those who don't agree with you and challenge your point of view must be crazy and should be committed.

This is a classic example of an ad hominem attack, where you're attacking the character or mental state of your opponents instead of addressing the arguments or issues at hand. You're trying to divert attention away from the actual debate topics and focus on discrediting the person.

Resorting to such accusations often suggests that you don't have strong or substantive arguments.

These sorts of tactics are mostly used as a way to deflect from the weaknesses in your own case.

This tactic can also be an attempt to paint yourself as the victim of crazy people.  What a surprise, more victimhood from Grap.

This behaviour can be a sign of desperation or frustration, which explains why you've been projecting that as an attack on others so much lately.

In the real world, this approach usually weakens the credibility of the person making the accusation and can detract from the overall quality of their argument. 

I guess that doesn't really bother you Grap since you'll just believe whatever you want to anyway.
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No need to assume - anyone with that kind of thinking is clearly a few kangaroos short of a paddock* ... we need to re-open the asylums...

*that's Aboriginal mathematics - the sheila who invented that one is a red-haired third cousin of mine .... clearly mind affected by academia....  a million visitors or so short of a national park ....... yeah... that suits .... that water 'ole he go plenny water - bit less than plenny plenny last year.... that one maybe two three day walk ....  very precise science ...
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mothra wrote on Jul 6th, 2024 at 6:38am:
Hands up if you know why people don't always immediately report sexual assault and why sometimes they never do?

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Ummmm - to make sure that nobody really knows the figures and so it can become a political football at any time and just be bounced around? 

90% of sexual assaults are not reported!!  How do they know that?  Because only 10% are reported...... how do that know that?  Because 90% are not reported.... those are the official figures... don't blame the messenger.... and 100% of men killed by a partner do not report that, either.....

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Reply #384 - Jul 11th, 2024 at 10:09pm
 
mothra wrote on Jul 6th, 2024 at 6:38am:
Hands up if you know why people don't always immediately report sexual assault and why sometimes they never do?


Because they have doubts about whether they can prove that they have been raped.
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UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 11th, 2024 at 10:09pm:
mothra wrote on Jul 6th, 2024 at 6:38am:
Hands up if you know why people don't always immediately report sexual assault and why sometimes they never do?


Because they have doubts about whether they can prove that they have been raped.



John was closer.

What you suggest, Rocky, is quite someways down the to do list for most rape victims. You see, most are in shock. now that can take a few days to pass ... then there's trauma. you keep saying that you have experienced trauma yet you consistently show no awareness of it whatsoever.

Generally, people who have been raped are traumatised. A much understood byproduct of trauma is an unwillingness to relive the incident.

Now factor in what John said.

Now factor in what you said.

Now weigh it all up and consider if you had just been horribly traumatised and brutalised whether you felt like immediately reporting it to the police? And knowing what conviction rates are and what people have to go through to procure them ... all to be processed and faced while traumatised?

Or maybe you agree with Frank, rape is simply unsophisticated sex. or with Crappler, tear the accusers apart!

whatever you blokes decide amongst yourselves, rape victims will continue to under-report and upon occasion, report suddenly, should the mood take them. This is simply part of the process. The only choice that is left to them.

And you resent even that.

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Reply #386 - Jul 12th, 2024 at 12:46pm
 
mothra,

I think I know what it's like to suffer the trauma of a violent situation caused by someone you thought you could trust (and love). My ex drove her work vehicle into me when she felt that I had abused/harassed her co-worker/friend.

...

Anyway, after the witness had explained/confessed to being the one involved in the incident, all I got for an apology was "Oh... Sorry. The front of that vehicle can get fixed this week. I hope you get better, too" all in a sardonic sounding voice.

I was not too seriously injured that night. But I felt quite betrayed. I had the option of reporting this to police. But, given that she works in a government industry where she knows people, I thought I would give it a miss...

There is something about 27-year-old red-headed women who don't like the idea of guys like me being within cooee of their blonde co-workers. The only saving grace for that night was that my ex had to explain to her supervisor why the work vehicle, that she was assigned, had damage to the front of it.
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Reply #387 - Jul 12th, 2024 at 1:12pm
 
mothra wrote on Jul 12th, 2024 at 8:58am:
Now factor in what you said.

Now weigh it all up and consider if you had just been horribly traumatised and brutalised whether you felt like immediately reporting it to the police? And knowing what conviction rates are and what people have to go through to procure them ... all to be processed and faced while traumatised?

Or maybe you agree with Frank, rape is simply unsophisticated sex. or with Crappler, tear the accusers apart!

whatever you blokes decide amongst yourselves, rape victims will continue to under-report and upon occasion, report suddenly, should the mood take them. This is simply part of the process. The only choice that is left to them.

And you resent even that.

Of course you do.


The only example of being raped I can say I have experienced is one that happens to be a technicality. I was 12 years old. The lady in question was about 25 or 26 years old. I was flirting with the lady, and the lady thought it was amusing that a young 'teenager' would hit upon her like that. She decided to do me a favour.

A week later, Mum gets this phone call from the lady. That lady said that I had got her pregnant. Mum informed her that I was only 12 years old. I still remember hearing the faint sound of a squeal coming from the receiver, as I sat about 3 metres away at the table. Mum told her how stupid she was, before terminating the call.

Obviously, I did not want to report the incident. Mum was very annoyed, but thought that it was probably a prank call. She figured that a woman with a very sultry voice would not possibly want to sleep with a pre-teen like me. I could swear that she almost changed her mind, when she spotted me smirking whilst I reminisced about the previous week.

Basically, my situation was nowhere near as serious as genuine rape victims. But, if Mum wanted to pursue the matter of child rape, it would take 9 months before any DNA evidence would be available. Aaaand, the lady was back in the USA when my daughter was born. So, that is a wildly different perspective of how a 'raped' child would not report to police being raped. I also did not want the lady to have her career destroyed because of this.
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Reply #388 - Jul 12th, 2024 at 1:57pm
 
One week after?  You were set up ................ that's rape............

Anyway - 28 days to feel 'raped' upon seeing Deuce on national TV accused .... and another 20 days to make a report.... from a woman already diagnosed with memory problems etc ...... hmmmmmm...

Come off the high horse, mothra - we're not talking about someone dragged into an alley and viciously assaulted here and traumatised - we're talking about a shared night in the same bed for two people and an ALLEGED recollection of mumbling 'no' the next morning when the festivities resumed.... a form of 'Swedish Rape', you know..... this 'woman' would hardly be 'so traumatised' she wouldn't be able to think .....

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When I was a junior in the beak's high courts
I watched all sorts of cunning rorts
Often selfish people in pursuit of gravy
And now I am the Ruler Of The King's Navy....

(Now he is the Ruler Of The King's Navy)....

So when some sheila comes to me
And says somebody with her body made free
Only fifty days ago or so,
It's down to the cells the accused will go

(it's down to the cells he'll go right away,
Because he's the Ruler Of The King's Navy) ....


Power without responsibility - and even without ethics at too many times..... no matter how it turns out in the end............................ only one person ever definitely and absolutely suffers in this benighted land ..... the accused even if found innocent ...... and fools and idiots want to make people guilty for being accused/denounced like some Stalino-Fascist nightmare... stuff the Law and the rights of the accused - flimsy as they always have been here.....  Night and Fog....

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Ah - the joys of political appointment and even election through the approved ways of making connections etc and not even having skills etc:-

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 12th, 2024 at 1:57pm:
One week after?  You were set up ................ that's rape............


A 12-year-old boy having sex with a woman in her 20s is technically rape. If I was 13 years old, and that lady thought I was 16 years old, she may well have a defence to use in a hypothetical rape case. But, I was still 6 months away from being 13.

My daughter is now 32 years old, and living in the United States. She visited me in the year 2008. Her mother is a brunette. I am blond. My daughter is blonde. At 16 years of age, she is quite tall and has taken after both our looks. I am glad that she looks more like her mother than me, even if the blonde hair shifts the looks department more my side.
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That's it. Bruce is innocent. There was no rape. Grappler is absolutely on the money. Girl was wrong. Lehrmann is up and running. Case closed. Gate is shut. Nothing to see. Go away.
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chimera wrote on Jul 12th, 2024 at 6:08pm:
That's it. Bruce is innocent. There was no rape. Grappler is absolutely on the money. Girl was wrong. Lehrmann is up and running. Case closed. Gate is shut. Nothing to see. Go away.


Well - it's a funny 'rape' all round, innit? 

What a joke - and just today they were saying that magistrates are crying about being overworked... but they can find business for The Cause at any time, eh?

Do you know what the Cause is, chim?  Overall it is the destruction of legal and civil rights of the majority with the clear intent of reducing them under the despotism of Neo-feudalism, so as to benefit those who imagine themselves the 'movers' in this world.  Our political class gaze with envy on such things as Indian billionaires spending $200m on a wedding... or a Chinese Communist President being worth $300Bn or so while holding total control over every citizen ..... at whim.... they and their mates are dying to get their hands on that sort of power over the people, the economy, and everything else associated with those.

Look back at the past forty years of reduction of legal and civil rights for many..... one bit at a time.......

If you are an Aboriginal or a poof or something - and I thought you were a Poof or something (capital letter for respect) ... you should know these things, in your water.... you've been the primary targets until recently when the war expanded .....

Do you know what Feudalism is?  Think back to the book/series - The Pillars Of The Earth - and consider the situation for Tom Builder and his family in the snow .... his wife dies and he is forced to abandon his infant son in the snow.... goes back to recover him and sees a monk taking him to the abbey..... figures that's a better place for the child... all this while he struggles to find piece work.......... part-time casual .... and he hopes to build the cathedral thought up by the monks.... and earn some money to get by...

That my son, is part of Feudalism - the other part is where the lord says he owns the land (sound familiar?) because he once just took it and retained it since he is the most heavily armed in the area (sound familiar?) .... and he graciously allows the peasants to 'share-crop' on 'his' land and pay for the privilege by giving to him a percentage of their crop.

As time goes by you will find more and more parallels for this..... and never forget that most of our immigrants come from such backgrounds of either abject poverty or untold riches.... and they bring those ideas with them..... never forget also that our New Aristocracy who are out back intent on Land Enclosure and mandated possession - of 'the land' they once conquered and kept in the same way as the feudal lord - are exactly the same and their claims just as much out-dated as that lord's.

Sadly - the armed takeover and possession of land now persists in law, as clearly shown in Britain - and we saw the Land Enclosures to suit the lords there, just like here.... and the world is closing in around you, and you must ask what form of government would actively use demands for a reversion to an ancient feudal style of ownership to suit a minority...... and why the same set of government would take any and every opportunity to use its power to limit more and more of the rights of citizens.  The revered Queen Lillibut had possession of vast lands, from which she derived her income from the labour of her serfs .... now her son Chuck of the Fox Fur Hat* has it all.... no change ...

Deuce (let's call him Deuce) is an easy target to push one component of The Cause..... and it's been going on for decades now - beat the men into submission by listening to the whining of women and just change everything to suit the Sirenes with their wailing... then use the same tactics with every little whinging group to attack rights of the majority of the people, with the aim of subjugating them to the new order of Neo-Feudalism.

You know I'm right.... it doesn't MATTER if Deuce is innocent - what matters is that he has been wrongly brought to trial at all ... not once .. but twice on the same utter lack of hard evidence.

He's an easy target because he's beach ball and he has piggy eyes .... and people say when he offers a sick smile to the media to try and keep his spirits up - that he is 'smirking'.... it is this kind of insanity - and some here push it relentlessly - that is giving me reason to consider leaving this country for good..... The Madness... The Madness.....

**Charles is in Meekatharra summer, hot as hell.... and wearing a Fox Fur Hat... Albo takes him aside and asks why he is wearing such unsuitable head gear... and Charles replies:-  "Well - I told Mummy that when I was King I would go to Australia and especially visit Meekatharra!" ..... and she said:-  "Wear the Fox 'At?"

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It's important ( imo) to note they are both LNP staffers being groomed for greatness.

Australia just dodge two bullets with Brittany and watshis..name
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I know, I know. The Aboriginal poof land-enclosure Windsor CCP magistrates in feudal cathedrals make you want to be a migrant.
I blame the women.
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chimera wrote on Jul 14th, 2024 at 7:06am:
I know, I know. The Aboriginal poof land-enclosure Windsor CCP magistrates in feudal cathedrals make you want to be a migrant.
I blame the women.



You are at the beginning of the getting of wisdom, grasshopper.  All you need to do is think those things through.  Take it one at a time....THINK....
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Daves2017 wrote on Jul 14th, 2024 at 12:09am:
It's important ( imo) to note they are both LNP staffers being groomed for greatness.

Australia just dodge two bullets with Brittany and watshis..name


There is that fine point.... certainly Australia would appear to be better off without them in such positions.... and they are not alone.

I'm intrigued as to what Deuce had to offer to get such a position..... I mean - there's always room for the pussy around the joint for show etc and for 'making a statement' about owning one's own harem.... looka me - I'm the bigger ape - I have more female staff than you!!  Don't laugh - it is an unconscious part of the employment pattern in many areas of life...

An underlying issue - why do 'men' choose to have more women working under them?  The appearance of having a harem and thus of being 'successful'!  Ever notice the difference between men forced to work primarily with men and those with women servitors?  Look at your milquetoast political class men.... how do they make up for their obvious inadequacies?

By having a bigger harem!!  More women work in the public service!! 

P.S.  I keep telling the Idiot's Gallery here that I don't hold a brief for anyone in these things - I hold a brief ONLY for proper administration and use of Law and for the full rights of the individual here.... and you know my thoughts on those being under siege and how.

How do you remove the rights from frogs?  A little bit at a time by slowly raising the temperature and creating an environment in which they feel unable to influence things, or are unwilling to do so through fear ....

People's Rights Forever.... stand now or be subsumed by the masses of unlawed people of the world.... survival of the most brutal... and our politicians bring some of those here as a matter of policy.....
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 14th, 2024 at 11:51am:
chimera wrote on Jul 14th, 2024 at 7:06am:
I know, I know. The Aboriginal poof land-enclosure Windsor CCP magistrates in feudal cathedrals make you want to be a migrant.
I blame the women.

  Take it one at a time.

It falls into place as one neo-feudalism. Senator Reynold's office is an Aboriginal cathedral of the king and land-lord enclosures for magistrate's causes. I couldn't agree more but I will.
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I guess it falls under this one - juicier by the moment:-

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/every-fairytale-needs-a-villain-reynold...

"Liberal Senator Linda Reynolds was cast as a "villain" in a fictional political cover-up created by her former staffer Brittany Higgins and her husband David Sharaz, a defamation trial has been told.

The former defence minister is suing Higgins over a series of social media posts she says damaged her reputation as she pursues vindication for a series of alleged mistruths.

Lawyer Martin Bennett told the Western Australian Supreme Court that "every fairy tale needed a villain", and Higgins and Sharaz "cast Reynolds in that role for their fictional story of a cover-up".

He said the fiction included allegations of ill-treatment, ostracisation, bullying, harassment and threatening conduct.
"She was cast in … critical light and none of it was true," he said on Friday during his opening submissions.

Reynolds took offence at tweets on the social media platform X and Instagram posts published in 2022 and 2023.

One of the Instagram posts implied the senator mishandled Higgins' rape allegation against her colleague Bruce Lehrmann by failing to provide support, her statement of claim says."


But we got more:-

https://www.9news.com.au/national/bruce-lehrmann-defamation-appeal-funding-press...

"Bruce Lehrmann faces a dual-pronged attack by Network Ten as he fights to stave off bankruptcy over a $2 million legal bill from his failed defamation case.

The 29-year-old's lawyer today foreshadowed he would try to postpone a court order forcing him to pay Ten's hefty bill as he appealed against his dramatic legal loss, including findings he raped Brittany Higgins.
The broadcaster is seeking orders Lehrmann pay $200,000 as security in the appeal to cover any further legal bill if it again emerges the victor.

Following a brief appearance in the Federal Court, Justice Wendy Abraham scheduled a hearing for both applications on October 14.
Lehrmann's decision not to try to stay the $2 million costs order when it was made in June could mean his bid to do so now was rejected, she noted.

Ten's barrister Tim Senior told the court the ex-Liberal staffer's legal bid complicated matters because his client had started separate proceedings to enforce the court's costs order."
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A week later, Mum gets this phone call from the lady. That lady said that I had got her pregnant.


There is absolutely no way she could know she was pregnant after only one week. If she was indeed pregnant, she did the deed long before she ever got near you.
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 3rd, 2024 at 2:12am:
I guess it falls under this one - juicier by the moment:-

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/every-fairytale-needs-a-villain-reynold...

"Liberal Senator Linda Reynolds was cast as a "villain" in a fictional political cover-up created by her former staffer Brittany Higgins and her husband David Sharaz, a defamation trial has been told.

The former defence minister is suing Higgins over a series of social media posts she says damaged her reputation as she pursues vindication for a series of alleged mistruths.

Lawyer Martin Bennett told the Western Australian Supreme Court that "every fairy tale needed a villain", and Higgins and Sharaz "cast Reynolds in that role for their fictional story of a cover-up".

He said the fiction included allegations of ill-treatment, ostracisation, bullying, harassment and threatening conduct.
"She was cast in … critical light and none of it was true," he said on Friday during his opening submissions.

Reynolds took offence at tweets on the social media platform X and Instagram posts published in 2022 and 2023.

One of the Instagram posts implied the senator mishandled Higgins' rape allegation against her colleague Bruce Lehrmann by failing to provide support, her statement of claim says."


But we got more:-

https://www.9news.com.au/national/bruce-lehrmann-defamation-appeal-funding-press...

"Bruce Lehrmann faces a dual-pronged attack by Network Ten as he fights to stave off bankruptcy over a $2 million legal bill from his failed defamation case.

The 29-year-old's lawyer today foreshadowed he would try to postpone a court order forcing him to pay Ten's hefty bill as he appealed against his dramatic legal loss, including findings he raped Brittany Higgins.
The broadcaster is seeking orders Lehrmann pay $200,000 as security in the appeal to cover any further legal bill if it again emerges the victor.

Following a brief appearance in the Federal Court, Justice Wendy Abraham scheduled a hearing for both applications on October 14.
Lehrmann's decision not to try to stay the $2 million costs order when it was made in June could mean his bid to do so now was rejected, she noted.

Ten's barrister Tim Senior told the court the ex-Liberal staffer's legal bid complicated matters because his client had started separate proceedings to enforce the court's costs order."


Ya know...these defamation actions might seem like a good idea at the time one's feeling are hurt, but I wonder if it is worth grabbing a tiger by the tail?

Does anyone now give a flying
f
uc
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about either Reynolds or Higgins?  They are both yesterdays news, and completely irrelevant.

I could not care less what Higgins said about Reynolds (and vice versa.) It has had zero impact on my views on either.

You?
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Aussie wrote on Aug 3rd, 2024 at 5:54pm:
I wonder if it is worth grabbing a tiger by the tail?

yes.
The base estimate is $11 million in tiger tails for lawyers. Bruce is being charged for his pleasure perhaps at $2-5 million per minute.
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I'm just here to follow the juice... not the Deuce.... and the juice so far shows that nobody is above board....

Yesterday's news?  Tomorrow's new social and legal disaster...... a man who fails to learn from the history of bringing laws to their knees to suit baying hordes lusting for blood at the gates is a man doomed to disaster over and over.....
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Wine, woman and song. This guy has it all.
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chimera wrote on Aug 4th, 2024 at 4:33am:
Wine, woman and song. This guy has it all.


And his Downfall was that some learned Catholic judge assaulted reason by claiming a balance of proabilities on the basis of some cave man rant from a priest from the pulpit ....

".. AND DO NOT BE TAKEN BY THE DEMON LUST, LIKE THAT PUIR UNFORTUNATE SOUL DEUCE WHEN CONFRONTED BY THE BLATANT ALL-MIGHTY BARE IN FRONT OF HIM...... WHAT MAN COULD SAY HE HAS NEVER BEEN TEMPTED BY THE DEMON PUSSY?"

You could almost hear that guy's priest banging his hand with a ruler while he repeated a hundred times - 'Beware The Demon LUST that draws ye to the inner female and down into the Fires Of Hell!!!"


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So,  Higgins dumps on Shiraz and says.....Stature Barred.

How jolly!


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So,  Higgins dumps on Shiraz and says.....Stature Barred.

How jolly!





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https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/reynolds-feared-losing-job-over-lying-c...

Deuce 2.0 ... looks shifty.... would you buy a used story from this man??

"Senator Reynolds said she had initially blamed the Labor Party for the attacks on her but she realised how well prepared Ms Higgins and her now husband David Sharaz's plan was, as the alleged instigators.

"They had a package for the media. They had a package for the Me Too movement. They clearly had a package for disaffected Liberals ... pitching it to them as well."
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And the Deuce goes on:-

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/karma-text-from-lehrmann-s-barrister/ar...

Better by the minute..... what a sordid tale all round.............

I'm waiting for St Brittany to build her portfolio as a fearless but modest protector and defender of 'women's rights', and make a comeback in Australian politics under Gillard's guidance once the time is considered right......

Julia Gillard - She currently serves as the inaugural Chair of the Global Institute for Women's Leadership .... St Brittany is a 'visiting fellow' there and her photo shows her most modestly looking down ... the sweet scent of propaganda fills the air... you mark my words.

https://giwl.anu.edu.au/

Murky connections with the UN....... ANU you say?  There's an end to it.........   Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin

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Why do equal rights for people other than the narrow group you categorise yourself in hurt you so much?

Is a level playing field and a merit-based system where you don't hold an ingrained advanced really scare you so much?
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Why do equal rights for
unwarranted and unequal one-sided demands by small groups of people
other than the narrow group you categorise yourself in hurt you so much
everyone
You actually need to ask?


Is a level playing field and a merit-based system where you don't hold an ingrained advanced really scare you so much?
utter nonsense - you are raving again.


Define your 'level playing field' generated by giving special privileges and preference to some..... stick with the principle - you're, as usual, making no headway with playing the man.  Only an idiot plays the man .... an idiot with plenty to hide.

What 'equal rights' are you talking about here, fantasist?  There are no men's organisations pushing for men to take all the top spots... only women's ones, and they are paid to plan their campaigns and are funded liberally (sic)  ... where is the balance and 'equal rights' there?  Everyone has the right to stand for election.................. and vote... they don't need special organisations any more than the Abos do with all their organisations and voices already....what IS your problem apart from fantasy and self-delusion?

You really are a weird one, Kanga... definitely a sheila...no bloke could think like that... oh, wait... the Albo type does.....   Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes ... and you are both Stalinist Fascists.... and are very dangerous in your clear insanity.
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Now then - the the juice without the Deuce as whipping boy......

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/senator-breaks-down-over-bullying-claim...

"Senator Reynolds has begun her final day of evidence in her defamation case against Brittany Higgins.

The senator is suing Ms Higgins and her husband David Sharaz over social media posts the couple shared in 2022 and 2023.

The posts were critical of Senator Reynolds’ handling of Ms Higgins’ allegation she was raped in Parliament House in 2019 by her then-colleague Mr Lehrmann.

He was charged with rape and faced trial in 2022, but the trial was aborted due to juror misconduct.

The charge was dropped and Mr Lehrmann continues to maintain his innocence.

In the Western Australian Supreme Court on Friday, Ms Higgins’ lawyer Rachel Young SC put to the senator that she had brought defamation proceeding against other parties following Ms Higgins’ rape allegations.

Senator Reynolds confirmed to Ms Young that she took action against the ACT because she was concerned about comments made by the Director of Public Prosecutions Shane Drumgold.

The senator settled with the ACT for $70,000 plus $20,000.

The senator confirmed she published a Facebook post in March this year about her action against the ACT, detailing the apology and settlement she received.

The post also said she had initiated further defamation action against other parties.

Senator Reynolds confirmed she had also taken action against Harper Collins, author Aaron Patrick, The Spectator and The Independent, that had all been settled.

Senator Reynolds was sobbing as she told the court she carries guilt for privately telling Labor senators what Senator Kimberley Kitching had told her about the anonymous letter.

Senator Kitching had been sent an anonymous letter containing information there had been an incident in Senator Reynolds’ office.

Senator Reynolds had told the court earlier this week that Senator Kitching told her about the letter and that Labor knew about the incident and were going to “rain hell” on her.

But Senator Kitching publicly denied having that conversation with Senator Reynolds, after she privately told Labor senators she knew.

Senator Reynolds said she now wished she had kept her confidence.

“I believe what I said to them caused them to bully her to death, I carry a lot of guilt,” she said.

“I should not have weakened and told them even in private.

“It was very clear how angry she was at me, it wasn’t just tweets, it was in parliament, it was in Question Time.”

Senator Reynolds told the court she believed it had led to Senator Kitching’s death.

Ms Young put to the senator that by privately telling Labor senators about their conversation had ultimately led to bad relationships with her colleagues and her death.

“It did,” Senator Reynolds said.

“It is widely speculated by others I am not the first to come to that conclusion.

“That is when she got angry with me.”

Senator Reynolds on Friday faced intense questioning about whether she knew her staffer had allegedly been sexually assaulted on the night of the security breach involving Mr Lehrmann and Ms Higgins accessing her office after hours.

Ms Young put to the senator that her suspicions must have been raised because Ms Higgins was found undressed and she was intoxicated.

The senator said she was not made aware of a rape allegation or that anything criminal had occurred.

She told the court she had enough experience not to jump to conclusions about what may have happened on that night.


The senator said there were many possibilities about what could have happened, and she was concerned Ms Higgins could not remember.

But she said she was comforted that Ms Higgins was going to see her doctor.

“We were happy to hear she was going to the doctor, because she could not remember,” she said.

“As her employers we are not counsellors but can provide assistance.”

The senator denied inviting Ms Higgins’ father to support her daughter at a meeting because she knew what had happened.

Senator Reynolds explained Ms Higgins was facing the prospect she could lose her job over the security breach, and had concerns about what happened on that night.

She said Ms Higgins was relatively new in her office and she thought it was a good thing to do because she knew her father was in Canberra at the time.

Ms Young asked the senator if she normally invited family members to meetings about security breaches and if she had invited Mr Lerhmann’s mother to his meeting.

Ms Young asked the senator questions about the way she handled the meeting with Ms Higgins after the alleged rape.

Senator Reynolds said there was a wide range of options drunk young people could get up to late at night and she did not jump to conclusions about what may have happened.

She told the court they discussed the security breach first, then she asked Ms Higgins about her memory and what had happened.

Ms Higgins told her she had been drunk, she was sorry and could not remember much, Senator Reynolds said.

She said she asked Ms Higgins if she had the EAP helpline number and mentioned if she did want to talk to the police, Ms Brown could take her there
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... more... (juicier and juicier) ....

"The senator denied she told Ms Higgins this was something women go through and if she was going to report the matter to police, to tell her first.

Ms Young questioned why she did not discuss the contents of the DPS report with Ms Higgins.

She said it wasn’t on her mind to talk about the DPS report in that meeting and that she thought Ms Brown had discussions around what happened with Ms Higgins.

The senator said she could remember saying to Ms Higgins that she was her boss and wasn’t the right person to have discussions about intimate matters.

“I said again the AFP are far better placed to put her in touch with people who could walk her through the process to remember,” she said.

“I was saying I am not the right person, I am not a trained counsellor, I am no way skilled or experienced to have those conversations.

“I felt very strongly she should use the avenue of the police in the building to help her remember.”

The senator denied asking Ms Higgins if there was any contact or if Mr Lehrmann had touched her without consent.

“I would not dream of asking any employee those questions, I am not trained to ask those questions,” Senator Reynolds said.

“I would still do the same thing today if I had a young staff member in distress, I would refer them to a counsellor or anyone who could provide that advice."

Senator Reynolds said the first time she was told about an allegation of rape was at a meeting with then AFP Assistant Commissioner Leanne Close, who advised her Ms Higgins had decided to proceed with a sexual assault complaint.

The senator was questioned about notes from the assistant commissioner, which stated ‘min pointed to the couch’ and ‘found out through the DPS report.’

Questions were put to the senator that she told the assistant commissioner they had become aware of the incident on Tuesday and it happened on her couch on Saturday.

Senator Reynolds told the court that the notes from the assistant commissioner were not the entire conversation, but a summary of what had been said.

She continued denying knowing about the sexual assault before they had met.

“This is what I had been told by Assistant Commissioner Close, I was actually addressing Fiona Brown that it was on the couch,” Senator Reynolds said.

“I do not recall the assistant commissioner telling me that Ms Higgins thought she had been drugged.

“What she did say was that the appropriate actions was to allow Ms Higgins agency and we should support her with anything she needed."
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Hmmm - so at first Ms Higgins could not remember what had happened when interviewed soon after .... but later her memory cleared up.... she had a boyfriend at home wondering WTF she was up to.... she was being interviewed about a breach of security that had cost Deuce his job..... but she didn't remember what had happened when interviewed by her boss.  Suddenly much later it all came clear.... but she didn't even go to the doctor.....

O.....K.....

Jeez - some of you people are suckers..... you'll believe anything.... like Reynolds, I've had enough experience not to jump to conclusions about such things, but to wait on events and on facts...  some of you clowns just leap for the flaming brands, the poor girl position, and the pitchforks and lynching ropes... and join the raving demand for conviction upon accusation for blokes accused of 'rape'.  You sure know how to make life difficult for the real rape victims, don't you?

You should all be ashamed of yourselves... it's arseholes like you who have ruined a man's life and who actually make it hard for genuine complaints to go ahead.

J'accuse!!  Are you going to call Reynolds and witnesses at the interview liars?  Or simply look at the obvious truth.....or will you try on the Bond defence - now the Higgins defence - I don't remember....

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Footnote:-  This is all looking bad for Lee and his cave man jurisprudence....  oooga-ooga... all man driven by lust can't control self ... oogga booga... plied her with drinks all night - only one shout on card for group of seven or eight ... ooga booga ..... ah... must have had hidden source of funds then!!   Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes   Oooga-booga....
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I see the Pubescent Neo-Fascists have all gone to ground now...... I'll tell you what - they can carry on all they like with the sledging, showing that they wouldn't know a fact if it was solid gold and they stubbed their toe on it and with their demands that the State take total control over everyone's lives by setting in place guilt by denunciation/accusation as the rule of the land and law -  but the facts are starting to look awfully bad for The Case.

Reynolds - supported by witnesses - has sunk the rape case.  Do you now call them all liars as your only way out?

After the incredible Lee gaffes this could be the most important case in the history of Australian law - could lead us finally to the long overdue Royal Commission into the judiciary and into jurisprudence - given the 'judiciary's' historical lust for convicting people accused on any pretext - guilt by accusation - as well as their eternal infernal blundering around real cases where real damage is done to real victims.

Also could begin to unravel the filthy labrynth within which political machinations hide in this country and others... how filth and dirt can be created out of nothing and thrown around to destroy people.... an old tradition with the Australian yob who has no real mind... look at Sad Kanga throwing the assertions around without a single support and hoping to score a point by doing so and appealing to the yobness and blood lust of the audience... the mob baying at the gates ....

Meantime the blood lust of the crowd has seen them throwing rotten fruit at Deuce as he's carried in a tumbril to his inevitable execution - their moral superiority doesn't extend to any consideration for the hell he is going through after never being found guilty in a proper court or to any thought that - as Reynolds said - a balanced mind would not jump to conclusions at all, but wait on facts.  And then - when the ' facts' are developed/incubated sufficiently to make a good story to protect and promote the person accusing - out comes the accusation.

In the second 'case' against Deuce - 49 days later.......

All this is the finest argument for NEVER allowing guilt by accusation/denunciation in this country or for allowing accusations with little or no merit to even proceed to a hearing in a biased court immersed in the baying crowds who gather for any such 'event' to push their own barrows (whatever they are) ..... you are warned.

Monty Python missed out in not doing a French Revolution thing:-

Man to old woman throwing cabbages:- 

"I say Madam - what did that evil aristo in that tumbril do to you to make you so angry at him?"

"Well - nuffin'!"

"Then why are you throwing cabbages at him?"

"Aw, it makes me feel better - more morally superior, you know... a be'er class of person than 'im" ...  **flings cabbage**  ..."besides - 'e wouldn't be there if 'e hadn't been a bad 'un, would 'e?"

"But how do you know that for sure... I mean - the poor man is going to his execution...."

"No need - the judge said so... now lea' me alone t' frow me cabbages..."

"But wouldn't you be better off eating those cabbages?  I mean - you are poor!"

"Nah - s'like a football match, innit - yer jest go along wif the roar of the crowd... you know..."
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https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/senator-had-heated-debate-over-higgins-...

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/reynolds-former-staffer-recounts-heated...

Juicier and juicier ... before we go on  - in the ACT it is a sexual assault to have sex with a woman incapable of meaningful consent - in this case - IF she was drunk and it did actually happen - I have always said that, and stand by it, and have also always said that IF there was any case for sexual assault, it was grossly mishandled by the complainant and others, starting with security staff, from the very beginning.  Now it looks even worse for the complainant of sexual assault:-

"A former senior aide has recalled Senator Linda Reynolds having a "heated" debate with her staff about calling in police after Brittany Higgins' alleged rape.

The ex-defence minister is suing her former staffer, Ms Higgins, over a series of social media posts she alleges contain mistruths - including that she mishandled the response to the incident - that she believes damaged her reputation.

Senator Reynold's former acting chief of staff during the 2019 federal election, Dean Carlson, told a Perth court there was robust discussion about what to do in the days afterwards.

Mr Carlson said Senator Reynolds had consulted the then special minister of state, Alex Hawke, and backed informing the Australian Federal Police.

"The conversation became quite heated. Ms Brown did not want to do that without the permission of Ms Higgins," he told the WA Supreme Court on Thursday, referring to the senator's chief of staff Fiona Brown.

"There was concern around the circumstances, how Ms Higgins was found in a state of undress warranted the opportunity for the AFP to determine whether anything had occurred."

Mr Carlson said it was eventually agreed Ms Brown would contact Ms Higgins to offer support in making contact with the police.

"I supported Ms Brown's position. I thought it was important Ms Higgins had agency over any action and her privacy was paramount," he said.

Mr Carlson said the late-night security breach on February 23, 2019, that led to Ms Higgins and her then-colleague Bruce Lehrmann - who has always denied any rape took place - being in the senator's ministerial suite was concerning.

Asked if he suspected a sexual assault had occurred at that stage, he said: "There were too many question marks ... of course that was a live option."

"We were working with a void of information," he said.

He told the court he understood Ms Higgins was later offered alternatives about where she would work during the 2019 election campaign, in the weeks after the alleged rape in the senator's office.

These included remaining in Canberra, working from the Gold Coast where her parents lived and in Perth "where the minister would spend the bulk of the election campaign".

Mr Carlson said that during the campaign the senator's office paid for Ms Higgins to travel to the Gold Coast "in recognition of the fact that she was the only one in the campaign who hadn't seen family for an extended period of time".

"I recall distinctly that was an unusual arrangement because we actually had to work out how we would do that within travel policy because she wasn't based in Queensland, she was based in Canberra," he said.

Ms Higgins' defence statement of claim says she felt "isolated, traumatised, depressed, unsupported and confused" during her time in Perth for the 2019 federal election campaign.

Mr Carlson said staff who travelled to Perth for the election campaign stayed in the Aloft Hotel near the senator's campaign office.

He said Ms Higgins was often invited to and joined after-work social activities, such as dinner and drinks.

"I found Ms Higgins to be a very enthusiastic team member of the team and whenever I tasked her with work it was always done," he said.

A long-time friend of the senator, Denita Wawn, told the court it was "devastating" to see the retiring politician so physically and mentally unwell after her breakdown at parliament house in 2021.

"She was a mess ... Physically, she was shaking, she was pale, she looked weak. Mentally, she was in a high state of distress," she said.

"I spent considerable time in her home with her, looking after her ... There were a number of us that took turns to be with her."

The court heard that after the Labor Party was elected to office in 2022, the senator was in an unusually high state of distress while holidaying with friends in northern NSW.

"She was very upset that she had not been made a shadow minister, not even a junior minister, which in effect had stopped her ministerial career in the future," Ms Wawn said."
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Former staffer Brittany Higgins will no longer be called to take the stand in WA Liberal Senator Linda Reynolds’ defamation lawsuit against her after her lawyers considered it unnecessary.
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Daves2017 wrote on Aug 20th, 2024 at 12:51am:
Former staffer Brittany Higgins will no longer be called to take the stand in WA Liberal Senator Linda Reynolds’ defamation lawsuit against her after her lawyers considered it unnecessary.


There was mention again of her 'mental health' - doesn't stop her doing all the things she likes... or being a 'visiting fellow' in Julia Gillard's pipe dream (while being fed a relative fortune tax-free by you fools) of educating all these lost girls in the idea that they can rule the future by taking over.  One day societies in the West will wake up and put a stop to such nonsense, but it will take a collapse of those societies to achieve that.

Won't be long the way things are going............... civil war is upon us now ...........  fifth columns are everywhere .............. international unrest is a given ... there are no rumours of wars - only wars ..... soon the descent into chaos will begin in earnest and only the strong will survive.

I'd say, on past performances, her legal eagles are concerned that she will not show well on the stand.  Even in The Dread Interview she was hesitant and searching for answers, and the evidence so far is that she was affected in no way at all by any claimed events in PH after midnight.  If she doesn't refute that somehow, how is this case to go?

And then the flow-on begins.... will The Deuce be exonerated?

Spy Saga:-

The Liberal Labor Party wanted to infiltrate a deep sleeper agent (Higgins was a Liberal staffer) into Gillard's putsch to shove women to the top everywhere in the West (for easy conquest down the road by the 'patriarchals' under the delusion that she is 'making everyone equal'), so they devised this cunning plot to create a scene in PH out of hours, make a headline out of allegations never to be proven, then established a payout to fund her into setting up in France and getting into the UN... then getting in tight with Gullible Gillard so as to be able to report back what The Red Witch was up to.  Thus they could be forewarned of impending further weakening of the West and could set in place counter measures against the growing pressures from the 'patriarchals' exploiting the growing weakness and effeteness of the West.

Of course, the offended Reynolds is a dark horse and may well upset the apple cart  - or perhaps this revelatory judicial process is the means of precluding Higgins coming 'home' and setting up in politics here.

In this context 'patriarchals' is not a social science term, other than that it defines nations and religions which are governed by rigid centralised paternalistic governments anathema to the Western Ideal.


Kind of like Richard Tomlinson, NZ ex-pat and former Territorial SAS, imprisoned while an MI6 agent for letting out secrets and now living in the south of France on a boat.. well - he was anyway....
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Do we need a separate strand about this Reynolds thing?  I know all you true believers out there want it to go away - but it won't.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/linda-reynolds-brittany-higgins-defamat...

"WA Senator Linda Reynolds told a journalist she did not know whether her staffer Brittany Higgins had been raped or not in her parliamentary office because she "wasn't in the room", a WA court has been told.

News Corporation journalist Samantha Maiden gave evidence on Wednesday in the defamation action launched by Senator Reynolds against Ms Higgins over a series of social media posts the senator believes were defamatory.

Ms Maiden told the court she had an hour long phone conversation with Senator Reynolds in mid 2022 in which she asked whether Ms Higgins's allegation that she'd been sexually assaulted by Bruce Lehrmann in the Senator's office was true.

""And she said 'I've got no idea, I wasn't in that room, I don't know'," Ms Maiden told the court.
"She never said she thought it was a lie but she didn't say it was true either."

Senator Reynolds is suing Ms Higgins for defamation over a series of social media posts the senator believes were defamatory.

Ms Maiden broke the story of Ms Higgins's rape allegations in February 2021 and won a Gold Walkley award for her efforts.

Earlier the court was played tape recordings of interviews with Ms Higgins made by Ms Maiden in January 2021 in which she tells the journalist she believed she had become a liability to her boss after she was allegedly raped in Parliament House in March 2019.

After the incident, Ms Higgins said her boss hated her because of the impact it could have on her career, having recently been promoted to Defence Minister.

Ms Higgins had only been working for the senator for about four weeks at this point.

"She avoided being in photos, avoided being near me like I was toxic," Ms Higgins told Ms Maiden in the recordings.

"She hated me.

"She worked her entire life to finally get Minister for Defence, and … in her first two weeks ... some little twitch she doesn't know, gets assaulted her office.

"Still to this day she hates me."

The court was also shown a text message from Ms Maiden to Ms Higgins that read "having played my little part in your operation has been one of the greatest moments in journalism I've ever had".

Questioned about it by Senator Reynolds's lawyer Martin Bennett, Ms Maiden said she was referring to the story and its implications.

"I was very … proud of her, the issues that she had raised. I thought they were very important," Ms Maiden said.

"She went on to change the law, and I thought that she was showing a great deal of bravery in what she had done at great personal cost.

"I was very impressed by it."

In cross examination, Ms Higgins's lawyer Rachael Young asked Ms Maiden if Ms Higgins had ever, during their many conversations and interviews, stated "that her desire in speaking to you was to bring down the Morrison government?"

Part of Senator Reynolds's statement of claim against Ms Higgins is that she and her partner David Sharaz orchestrated a campaign to politically damage her and to bring down the government.

However, Ms Maiden said she had not.

Ms Young also referred to messages Ms Maiden exchanged with Labor Senators Penny Wong and Katy Gallagher about the issue, which the journalist said were part of the normal investigative processes she regularly undertook when researching stories.

"Were you acting as a conduit or advocate for Ms Higgins?" Ms Young asked.

"Absolutely not," Ms Maiden replied.

Senator Reynolds's defamation case revolves around her belief Ms Higgins's social media posts imply she failed to support her staffer in the aftermath of her alleged 2019 rape and that she wanted to silence rape survivors.

Lehrmann's 2022 rape trial was abandoned due to juror misconduct and Ms Higgins's ill health prevented a re-trial, but a judge in a civil case found he did rape Ms Higgins on the balance of probabilities.

Lehrmann has always maintained his innocence and is appealing the civil court's decision.

On Monday the court heard Ms Higgins would no longer be called to testify in her defence, with her lawyer Rachael Young SC citing medical grounds among the reasons for the change of plans.

The trial will continue tomorrow with evidence from former Australian Federal Police assistant commissioner Leanne Close, who is the last witness scheduled to testify."
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Reply #422 - Aug 22nd, 2024 at 2:17pm
 
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/couch-claim-in-higgins-trial-against-se...

"The last witness in senator Linda Reynolds’ defamation battle with Brittany Higgins has taken to the stand, telling the court the senator pointed to a lounge in her office and said “that’s where it occurred”.

Former Australian Federal Police assistant commissioner Leanne Close has been called to give evidence about a meeting she had with Senator Reynolds after Ms Higgins made a complaint with police about her alleged rape.

Taking to the stand on Thursday morning, Ms Close told the court how Senator Reynolds pointed to the lounge in her office and said “that’s where it occurred.”....
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...... The former Australian Federal Police assistant commissioner gave evidence about a meeting she had with Senator Reynolds and her chief of staff Fiona Brown on April 4, 2021.

Ms Close said she did not realise at that point they were talking about a sexual assault in the senator’s office.

She told the court she had presumed the alleged sexual assault occurred in the ministerial suite outside the office area."


Sounds like Close is prone to assuming....  WHAT occurred on the couch?  Higgins in a state of semi-undress?  Higgins sleeping it off?  A cup of tea with the PM?  The security staff's noticing her state?  WHAT EXACTLY?

More likely - "That's where the alleged attack occurred" - I doubt Reynolds, on history to date, would say anything else.

Remember the VC-10 crash at Heathrow.... "Pull that in!" ... young and fearful of older pilot co-pilot pulls in lever for slats - plane drops to ground like a shot bird.

That's where IT occurred....... so Reynolds wasn't specific about what IT was???  Counldn't be since she couldn't say what had happened without being there ................... just like you blood hungry mob.


"Ms Maiden interviewed Ms Higgins weeks before the story was published at her home in Canberra over dinner with dumplings."

"Now, Herr Ballespetites.... was it the interview over dinner with dumplings or the publication of the story over dinner with dumplings or a story published about a dinner with dumplings?  We take our grammar VERY seriously in the Fourth estate, you see?   Many people are so careless with their use of grammar these days...... feminised education system you see - any words will do as long as they obscure the reality.  All reality is malleable, you see - so yours could disappear in an instant...."
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Imo Reynolds is hoping to win so she can secure a huge payout not from Brittany but us the taxpayer.

I think she's going to achieve that goal as well tbh.
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Daves2017 wrote on Aug 22nd, 2024 at 11:10pm:
Imo Reynolds is hoping to win so she can secure a huge payout not from Brittany but us the taxpayer.

I think she's going to achieve that goal as well tbh.


Yes - the way it is phrased about her 'career' - we don't want 'career politicians' - we want politicians dedicated to their work for the nation and its people.

There is always a reserve bench:-

https://www.9news.com.au/national/senator-linda-reynolds-hits-higgins-with-fresh...

Here it is drawing the Higgins cash out so it can be accessed in the event of a win.

Footnote:-  Higgins was well advised and clearly there was a plan, since the money has been removed from her personal hands and placed firstly in a trust that she controlled and then in a trust managed by someone else.... no access to it for Higgins' personal liability.  One reason I've called for a total review of trusts for years now.... to no avail.... you out there in Dorkville forget that these 'rules' were set up when only the rich had money and power, including the vote, and wanted ways to avoid paying tax and other things such as liabilities and debts.  How quickly you never even know about such things.

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Daves2017 wrote on Aug 23rd, 2024 at 10:34am:
Absolutely everything about Reynolds is suspect to me.


The whole thing is suspect to me - though what I can see in Reynolds is her training - not jumping to conclusions without fact.  None of them come out smelling of roses...

anyway - now remember this is not directly about any rape allegation, so watch your emotional filters - my question is now (first time this has been revealed that I've seen) if she went for 'counselling' within days - why was there no follow-up in any way from anyone and why did she not use that as evidence that something had actually taken place?

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/phone-messages-contradict-brittany-higg...

"Brittany Higgins had counselling within days of her alleged rape in Parliament House, contradicting her claims to media none was available for months, a defamation trial has been told.

Higgins is fighting her former boss, senator Linda Reynolds, over a series of social media posts the ex-defence minister believes damaged her reputation.

The senator's lawyer, Martin Bennett, told a Perth court a voice message from a Canberra Rape Crisis Centre counsellor revealed Higgins had an appointment within eight days of her alleged sexual assault in the senator's ministerial suite on March 23, 2019.

"It's an audio file where [a counsellor] is saying, 'We met last Monday [April 8, 2019]'," he told the Western Australian Supreme Court on Wednesday during document tendering.
"It's the provision of counselling services to Ms Higgins from April 8th onwards, this having been instituted on April 1."

Bennett said Higgins told News Corp journalist Samantha Maiden she tried to contact the parliament employee support service and was told she would have to wait a month for counselling.

"By the time it gets to The Project interview, it's a wait of two months," he said.

Bennett said documents showed an employee program organised an appointment for Higgins with a psychologist on April 11.

"Ms Higgins didn't take that up because she was already seeing [the Canberra Rape Crisis Centre counsellor]," he said.

"It's this failure on the part of Ms Higgins to mention either in The Project interview or to Ms Maiden that she was getting counselling that is relevant ... for the support that was offered and not taken up."

Higgins' lawyer Rachael Young said her client's allegations about a delay related to the employee assistance program not the rape crisis centre.

Bennett brought photos of Higgins' diary to the attention of the court.

He said it was relevant because it showed the former staffer and her husband David Sharaz were working with members of the Australian Labor Party in August 2020 "discussing the plan".

"[Laura] Tingle is a journalist," Bennet said as he read other diary entries to the court.

"Drinks with Lucy and Malcolm is a reference to Lucy and Malcolm Turnbull and there's a significant note on the right-hand card ... 'buy white dress'."

Justice Paul Tottle disagreed but he admitted various emails and phone messages he deemed helpful.

Bennett said a series of communications revealed Higgins had been with her ex-boyfriend on April 3 when she had taken a day off work, telling the senator's office she had a medical appointment.

"Went out to dinner with my former boyfriend, stayed the night at this hotel, went to drinks and a party and I didn't go to the doctor's appointment I told people I had gone to," he said, reading one of Higgins' messages.

Bennett said Higgins had deleted 15 messages between herself and Sharaz during discovery as he unsuccessfully fought to exclude some evidence from the case.

"We've always put that Ms Higgins before she produced her phone for police curated her messages [but] this is more than that, this is at the time of discovery," he said.

"Deletion is destruction of evidence."

Bennett attempted to tender documents related to Higgins' $2.4 million federal government settlement and Reynolds' Commonwealth-appointed lawyers "entertaining a 'lying cow' submission" a year after it had been settled in another legal action.

"These are matters which we want to elevate to show the legitimacy of Senator Reynolds' fury at this conduct and determination to refer it ... to the National Anti-Corruption Commission," he said.

"Not to harass Ms Higgins but to deal with something poorly handled."

Bennett foreshadowed further court action against the lawyers and the government.

Justice Tottle said he would think about the matter."
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"Bennett foreshadowed further court action against the lawyers and the government."

Aha!  The lunge for Reynolds Money payout!!  How much is this mishandled on all sides affair going to cost the taxpayer?  Not that there's anything wrong with that ..... if only the security staff had made a report to AFP instantly of a POSSIBLE event inside PH ..... none of this madness would go on and on...

Meanwhile the only positive is that Agent B has successfully infiltrated Gillard's international sheila communist movement significantly funded by the New Commo UN ..... remember what I said about choosing an agent...... look at the one least likely ......................

Aussie Sparrow ......
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Reply #428 - Sep 2nd, 2024 at 4:26pm
 
The Lawyer Ms Young has a point!!!

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Ill health pre-dated social media posts

Ms Young also said Senator Reynolds was trying to sue Ms Higgins for events that happened years before the contentious social media posts were published — events that caused feelings of "distress and upset" because of the "political accountability" she had been forced to face in the wake of the rape allegations being made public.

In seeking damages, Ms Young said, the senator had "besmirched those she blamed for her political demise".

She said Senator Reynolds had failed to produce evidence that her heart condition had escalated since the publication of the social media posts in 2023, and there was evidence of her heart problems existing as early as 2018.

"It is also a significant factor that the senator had pre-existing mental and physical issues, and it is also significant that she was unable to retain the defence portfolio due to her ill health," Ms Young told the court.


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Reply #429 - Sep 2nd, 2024 at 4:42pm
 
No - she is suing Higgins for the posts and their effect on her..... and for any associated nastiness that came before, such as accusing Reynolds of things witnesses say she did not say or do.

Don't worry too much - Reynolds will cop a handout from The Guv as well... just read carefully.  It doesn't matter if her case against Agent B makes it or not.... she's already said it caused the government of the day to demote her and cause unbearable stress.

She'll get a Brittany payout as well.  The only one not getting a handout is Bruce - but he's a bloke, got piggy eyes, is a beach ball - therefore he must be guilty and incapable of being a victim like everyone else.

You need to think on these things.....

BTW - was Lee handled by a priest or something, to come at his 'insatiable lust drove Bruce' (lack of) decision unsupported opinion?  I was watching a long video yesterday about wives of transgender claimant 'men' and the effects on the women and families - and one of them said that her husband had been handled by a priest and so had weird ideas about 'lust' and even sex with her .... thought that after being handled - that's right - by a coven of priests - that all men are relentlessly and unstoppably driven by lust..... that sex was evil ... and he therefore wanted to not be a man...

That's what Lee partly said.... hmmmmmm...    Cool  Cool  Cool  Cool  Cool

Murkier and murkier this thing ............................
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Reply #430 - Sep 2nd, 2024 at 6:43pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 4:26pm:
The Lawyer Ms Young has a point!!!

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Brittany Higgins's lawyer delivers rebuke of senator Linda Reynolds testimony in defamation trial

Ill health pre-dated social media posts

Ms Young also said Senator Reynolds was trying to sue Ms Higgins for events that happened years before the contentious social media posts were published — events that caused feelings of "distress and upset" because of the "political accountability" she had been forced to face in the wake of the rape allegations being made public.

In seeking damages, Ms Young said, the senator had "besmirched those she blamed for her political demise".

She said Senator Reynolds had failed to produce evidence that her heart condition had escalated since the publication of the social media posts in 2023, and there was evidence of her heart problems existing as early as 2018.

"It is also a significant factor that the senator had pre-existing mental and physical issues, and it is also significant that she was unable to retain the defence portfolio due to her ill health," Ms Young told the court.


Huh Huh Huh

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-09-02/linda-reynolds-brittany-higgins-david-sha...


She made far more than just ONE telling point.

But...let's see.
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Reply #431 - Sep 2nd, 2024 at 6:45pm
 
Aussie wrote on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 6:43pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 4:26pm:
The Lawyer Ms Young has a point!!!

Quote:
Brittany Higgins's lawyer delivers rebuke of senator Linda Reynolds testimony in defamation trial

Ill health pre-dated social media posts

Ms Young also said Senator Reynolds was trying to sue Ms Higgins for events that happened years before the contentious social media posts were published — events that caused feelings of "distress and upset" because of the "political accountability" she had been forced to face in the wake of the rape allegations being made public.

In seeking damages, Ms Young said, the senator had "besmirched those she blamed for her political demise".

She said Senator Reynolds had failed to produce evidence that her heart condition had escalated since the publication of the social media posts in 2023, and there was evidence of her heart problems existing as early as 2018.

"It is also a significant factor that the senator had pre-existing mental and physical issues, and it is also significant that she was unable to retain the defence portfolio due to her ill health," Ms Young told the court.


Huh Huh Huh

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-09-02/linda-reynolds-brittany-higgins-david-sha...


She made far more than just ONE telling point.

But...let's see.


True the weight of evidence and the summary by Ms Young was very compelling Aussie???

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Reply #432 - Sep 2nd, 2024 at 9:28pm
 
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/besmirching-those-she-blames-for-politi...

Here's that heroic lawyer in full flight - all emotion and buggar-all substance:-

"Brittany Higgins’ lawyer has branded Liberal senator Linda Reynolds’ defamation case a dogged pursuit to besmirch those she blames for her political demise, including the alleged rape victim at the centre of the scandal that preceded it.

In closing submissions in the WA Supreme Court on Monday, the former staffer’s barrister told the court the former defence minister targeted the “wrong person” in the bid to restore her reputation over what she saw as Higgins’ politicisation of the alleged rape in 2021 via a tell-all interview.

With the benefit of 16 days’ worth of evidence in the trial, Rachael Young, SC, told the court it was clear Reynolds was using several social media posts Higgins published in July 2023 as a “side wind” to claim damages.

“And in that process, besmirch those who she blames for her political demise,” Young, SC, said.

The barrister launched a blistering attack on elements of Reynolds’ testimony, accusing the senator of playing the role of advocate rather than witness in evidence she said was at times “problematic” and “self-serving”.

Young, SC, put to the court it was Reynolds’ own conduct and ailing health that was to blame for the public scrutiny – which she argued was most acute in 2021 – and her eventual demotion from the defence portfolio.

She said while the senator claimed the furore over her handling of the alleged rape in her ministerial office on March 23, 2019, caused her ill health and destroyed her reputation, Young, SC, contended there was no doubt Higgins had and would continue to bear the heaviest burden.

Young, SC, said her client’s decision to go public with the rape allegation via the interview with The Project had caused her great suffering but gave rise to a profound impact on the way gendered violence was addressed in workplaces across the country.

“Without question, the heaviest burden has and will continue to be carried by Ms Higgins, the survivor of a serious crime which has affected every aspect of her life,” she said.

“Ms Higgins considered that her continued silence would make her complicit in any future incident, but out of [her] trauma, she achieved overarching good out of the suffering she endured.”

Reynolds, the former defence minister, is suing Higgins for damages and aggravated damages over social media publications she claims accused her of mishandling the alleged rape by Bruce Lehrmann, brought her into public hatred and damaged her physical and mental health."


So much goona there I don't know where to start... talk about laying a smoke screen... emotive words everywhere.... 'victim'... 'survivor' ... 'side wind' is taking it up to the person who made the comments..... 'heaviest burden' ....what about Deuce the Unproven and The Unfounded Opinion?  Just some Catholic choir boy's obsession with men and overwhelming lust... FFS .... probably derived from personal experience...

The Goona is thick here.. sounds desperate.... could be an Academy Award in it though.
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Reply #433 - Sep 3rd, 2024 at 10:14am
 
Senator Reynolds was hardly neutral or unbias when she tried to help Mr Lehrmann's defence team smear Brittney Higgins....Senator Reynolds can hardly claim she was supporting Brittney Higgins who was still a public servant working for Minister Cash when she was helping Mr Lehrmann who had been sacked for his conduct....What boss secretly defends someone they sacked whilst claiming they were fully supporting the victim of rape???

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Ms Higgins' lawyer told a Perth court the senator communicated with Mr Lehrmann's defence Steve Whybrow before and during his aborted criminal trial.

"What those 21 messages show is the senator's partisan attitude in favour of the accused," she told the Western Australian Supreme Court on Monday during her closing submissions.

Ms Young said Senator Reynolds gave Mr Whybrow suggestions for potential witnesses and phone numbers to contact them.


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Reply #434 - Sep 3rd, 2024 at 10:45am
 
Aussie wrote on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 6:43pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Sep 2nd, 2024 at 4:26pm:
The Lawyer Ms Young has a point!!!

Quote:
Brittany Higgins's lawyer delivers rebuke of senator Linda Reynolds testimony in defamation trial

Ill health pre-dated social media posts

Ms Young also said Senator Reynolds was trying to sue Ms Higgins for events that happened years before the contentious social media posts were published — events that caused feelings of "distress and upset" because of the "political accountability" she had been forced to face in the wake of the rape allegations being made public.

In seeking damages, Ms Young said, the senator had "besmirched those she blamed for her political demise".

She said Senator Reynolds had failed to produce evidence that her heart condition had escalated since the publication of the social media posts in 2023, and there was evidence of her heart problems existing as early as 2018.

"It is also a significant factor that the senator had pre-existing mental and physical issues, and it is also significant that she was unable to retain the defence portfolio due to her ill health," Ms Young told the court.


Huh Huh Huh

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-09-02/linda-reynolds-brittany-higgins-david-sha...


She made far more than just ONE telling point.

But...let's see.


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Lots of hyperbole and fancy - not a single hit...

Now it's the turn of the other side ...
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Reply #436 - Sep 3rd, 2024 at 1:12pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Sep 3rd, 2024 at 10:14am:
Senator Reynolds was hardly neutral or unbias when she tried to help Mr Lehrmann's defence team smear Brittney Higgins....Senator Reynolds can hardly claim she was supporting Brittney Higgins who was still a public servant working for Minister Cash when she was helping Mr Lehrmann who had been sacked for his conduct....What boss secretly defends someone they sacked whilst claiming they were fully supporting the victim of rape???

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Senator tried to help Lehrmann in rape trial: lawyer

Ms Higgins' lawyer told a Perth court the senator communicated with Mr Lehrmann's defence Steve Whybrow before and during his aborted criminal trial.

"What those 21 messages show is the senator's partisan attitude in favour of the accused," she told the Western Australian Supreme Court on Monday during her closing submissions.

Ms Young said Senator Reynolds gave Mr Whybrow suggestions for potential witnesses and phone numbers to contact them.


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Obligation to provide relevant evidence... you ever heard of that?  Young Higgins didn't need much 'smearing' .... even the Eld Gel - a 'survivor' - says she is phoney - I've got a two bob watch here...

Higgins was treated with kid gloves - The Deuce got the sack .... Reynolds simply did not jump to conclusions and when asked provided supported evidence on what actually occurred.  Missy Higgins could have asked Reynolds for some evidence, too..... she didn't - which is telling.

Are you against the idea of including any ex-culpatory evidence?  I'm curious ....

Like sheep you are driven along by emotive terms and hyperbole... you hear what the media wants you to hear and you obey without thought....   Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin
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Reply #437 - Sep 3rd, 2024 at 2:51pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 3rd, 2024 at 1:12pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Sep 3rd, 2024 at 10:14am:
Senator Reynolds was hardly neutral or unbias when she tried to help Mr Lehrmann's defence team smear Brittney Higgins....Senator Reynolds can hardly claim she was supporting Brittney Higgins who was still a public servant working for Minister Cash when she was helping Mr Lehrmann who had been sacked for his conduct....What boss secretly defends someone they sacked whilst claiming they were fully supporting the victim of rape???

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Senator tried to help Lehrmann in rape trial: lawyer

Ms Higgins' lawyer told a Perth court the senator communicated with Mr Lehrmann's defence Steve Whybrow before and during his aborted criminal trial.

"What those 21 messages show is the senator's partisan attitude in favour of the accused," she told the Western Australian Supreme Court on Monday during her closing submissions.

Ms Young said Senator Reynolds gave Mr Whybrow suggestions for potential witnesses and phone numbers to contact them.


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Obligation to provide relevant evidence... you ever heard of that?  Young Higgins didn't need much 'smearing' .... even the Eld Gel - a 'survivor' - says she is phoney - I've got a two bob watch here...

Higgins was treated with kid gloves - The Deuce got the sack .... Reynolds simply did not jump to conclusions and when asked provided supported evidence on what actually occurred.  Missy Higgins could have asked Reynolds for some evidence, too..... she didn't - which is telling.

Are you against the idea of including any ex-culpatory evidence?  I'm curious ....

Like sheep you are driven along by emotive terms and hyperbole... you hear what the media wants you to hear and you obey without thought....   Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin


I posted actual court proceedings not some bullshit opinion based on nothing more than your own bias....You ignore evidence and facts to continue your attack on Britney Higgins by claiming the media is lying and anyone who believes the facts presented is somehow wrong and your pathetic opinion is right....You realy are a pathetic low life mate....You only hear what you want to be true by ignoring the truth!!!

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Reply #438 - Sep 3rd, 2024 at 3:50pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Sep 3rd, 2024 at 2:51pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 3rd, 2024 at 1:12pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Sep 3rd, 2024 at 10:14am:
Senator Reynolds was hardly neutral or unbias when she tried to help Mr Lehrmann's defence team smear Brittney Higgins....Senator Reynolds can hardly claim she was supporting Brittney Higgins who was still a public servant working for Minister Cash when she was helping Mr Lehrmann who had been sacked for his conduct....What boss secretly defends someone they sacked whilst claiming they were fully supporting the victim of rape???

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Senator tried to help Lehrmann in rape trial: lawyer

Ms Higgins' lawyer told a Perth court the senator communicated with Mr Lehrmann's defence Steve Whybrow before and during his aborted criminal trial.

"What those 21 messages show is the senator's partisan attitude in favour of the accused," she told the Western Australian Supreme Court on Monday during her closing submissions.

Ms Young said Senator Reynolds gave Mr Whybrow suggestions for potential witnesses and phone numbers to contact them.


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Obligation to provide relevant evidence... you ever heard of that?  Young Higgins didn't need much 'smearing' .... even the Eld Gel - a 'survivor' - says she is phoney - I've got a two bob watch here...

Higgins was treated with kid gloves - The Deuce got the sack .... Reynolds simply did not jump to conclusions and when asked provided supported evidence on what actually occurred.  Missy Higgins could have asked Reynolds for some evidence, too..... she didn't - which is telling.

Are you against the idea of including any ex-culpatory evidence?  I'm curious ....

Like sheep you are driven along by emotive terms and hyperbole... you hear what the media wants you to hear and you obey without thought....   Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin


I posted actual court proceedings not some bullshit opinion based on nothing more than your own bias....You ignore evidence and facts to continue your attack on Britney Higgins by claiming the media is lying and anyone who believes the facts presented is somehow wrong and your pathetic opinion is right....You realy are a pathetic low life mate....You only hear what you want to be true by ignoring the truth!!!

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There you go again, ranting and raving and name-calling - Higgins' lawyer used a lot of emotive words but not much substance...  WTF are you raving on about?  Your 'court proceedings' read properly and without YOUR bias show that clearly.

Get a grip lad - you'll blow a gasket.... we all hope.  There is nothing wrong with Reynolds giving information to fill in parts of the case, when requested to do so.

Are you now saying that the only witnesses allowed and the only evidence allowed is for the accuser, or in the case of deuce's first civil action, only if it's for the defence?  A person has the right to ask for information and evidence and to see if what is given is of value to the case.

Would you equally say that Brittany Higgins was at fault for seeking views of people close to the events? Or for seeking support from all those lined up to give it free or at public expense?  Any comments there about bias and such?

What is WRONG with you, boy - apart from being abysmally stupid?
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Reply #439 - Sep 3rd, 2024 at 6:42pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 3rd, 2024 at 3:50pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Sep 3rd, 2024 at 2:51pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 3rd, 2024 at 1:12pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Sep 3rd, 2024 at 10:14am:
Senator Reynolds was hardly neutral or unbias when she tried to help Mr Lehrmann's defence team smear Brittney Higgins....Senator Reynolds can hardly claim she was supporting Brittney Higgins who was still a public servant working for Minister Cash when she was helping Mr Lehrmann who had been sacked for his conduct....What boss secretly defends someone they sacked whilst claiming they were fully supporting the victim of rape???

Quote:
Senator tried to help Lehrmann in rape trial: lawyer

Ms Higgins' lawyer told a Perth court the senator communicated with Mr Lehrmann's defence Steve Whybrow before and during his aborted criminal trial.

"What those 21 messages show is the senator's partisan attitude in favour of the accused," she told the Western Australian Supreme Court on Monday during her closing submissions.

Ms Young said Senator Reynolds gave Mr Whybrow suggestions for potential witnesses and phone numbers to contact them.


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Obligation to provide relevant evidence... you ever heard of that?  Young Higgins didn't need much 'smearing' .... even the Eld Gel - a 'survivor' - says she is phoney - I've got a two bob watch here...

Higgins was treated with kid gloves - The Deuce got the sack .... Reynolds simply did not jump to conclusions and when asked provided supported evidence on what actually occurred.  Missy Higgins could have asked Reynolds for some evidence, too..... she didn't - which is telling.

Are you against the idea of including any ex-culpatory evidence?  I'm curious ....

Like sheep you are driven along by emotive terms and hyperbole... you hear what the media wants you to hear and you obey without thought....   Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin


I posted actual court proceedings not some bullshit opinion based on nothing more than your own bias....You ignore evidence and facts to continue your attack on Britney Higgins by claiming the media is lying and anyone who believes the facts presented is somehow wrong and your pathetic opinion is right....You realy are a pathetic low life mate....You only hear what you want to be true by ignoring the truth!!!

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There you go again, ranting and raving and name-calling - Higgins' lawyer used a lot of emotive words but not much substance...  WTF are you raving on about?  Your 'court proceedings' read properly and without YOUR bias show that clearly.

Get a grip lad - you'll blow a gasket.... we all hope.  There is nothing wrong with Reynolds giving information to fill in parts of the case, when requested to do so.

Are you now saying that the only witnesses allowed and the only evidence allowed is for the accuser, or in the case of deuce's first civil action, only if it's for the defence?  A person has the right to ask for information and evidence and to see if what is given is of value to the case.

Would you equally say that Brittany Higgins was at fault for seeking views of people close to the events? Or for seeking support from all those lined up to give it free or at public expense?  Any comments there about bias and such?

What is WRONG with you, boy - apart from being abysmally stupid?


You rant and rave a lot mate....Higgins did not instigate this defamation case and Reynolds needs to prove the texts she is complaining about caused her harm....Lets see how the judge rules and how fat and stupid you are....Why do you hate woman Crappler???

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Keep up in class, lad....  YOU brought up the issue of Reynolds in the Leer Man case ...... I answered it... so let's try again - do you have a problem with an applicant to a court seeking corroboration and evidence that may help the case... or not?  You know - like Deuce did with Reynolds in his case... if she had relevant information or evidence he was well within his rights to ask for it .. nd she to give it.

Only in the emotion-driven and riddled minds of the  Luvvahs of Accusahs That Are Wimmen does anyone ever suggest that available evidence should not be polled...

so now your claim is that a man accused has no rights - but a woman accuser has all rights and more, including to crush his evidence out of existence with the connivance of the 'court'.

Think carefully about your answer, M Ballespetites - or you are coming with me....

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Keep up in class, lad....  YOU brought up the issue of Reynolds in the Leer Man case ...... I answered it... so let's try again - do you have a problem with an applicant to a court seeking corroboration and evidence that may help the case... or not?  You know - like Deuce did with Reynolds in his case... if she had relevant information or evidence he was well within his rights to ask for it .. nd she to give it.

Only in the emotion-driven and riddled minds of the  Luvvahs of Accusahs That Are Wimmen does anyone ever suggest that available evidence should not be polled...

so now your claim is that a man accused has no rights - but a woman accuser has all rights and more, including to crush his evidence out of existence with the connivance of the 'court'.

Think carefully about your answer, M Ballespetites - or you are coming with me....

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What are you ranting about ya smacking dickhead....I have made no claims about anyone....I have posted statements from the court proceedings and commented on those statements....You on the other hand have gone on a rant about bullshit....Making statements without supporting evidence and smearing Ms Higgins like the arsehole rapist excuser you are!!!

Crappler ranted....
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Only in the emotion-driven and riddled minds of the  Luvvahs of Accusahs That Are Wimmen does anyone ever suggest that available evidence should not be polled


WTF are you ranting about dickhead....Your rant makes no sense like most of your Crap???

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so now your claim is that a man accused has no rights - but a woman accuser has all rights and more, including to crush his evidence out of existence with the connivance of the 'court'.


Okay Crappler....
Where did I claim that that a man accused has no rights - but a woman accuser has all rights and more....Post this claim you reacon I made dickhead
you looser arsehole of forever be known as the The Fat Useless Lying piece of Crap you are!!!

I am waiting???

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Reply #443 - Sep 4th, 2024 at 2:33pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Sep 4th, 2024 at 8:42am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 3rd, 2024 at 11:06pm:
Keep up in class, lad....  YOU brought up the issue of Reynolds in the Leer Man case ...... I answered it... so let's try again - do you have a problem with an applicant to a court seeking corroboration and evidence that may help the case... or not?  You know - like Deuce did with Reynolds in his case... if she had relevant information or evidence he was well within his rights to ask for it .. nd she to give it.

Only in the emotion-driven and riddled minds of the  Luvvahs of Accusahs That Are Wimmen does anyone ever suggest that available evidence should not be polled...

so now your claim is that a man accused has no rights - but a woman accuser has all rights and more, including to crush his evidence out of existence with the connivance of the 'court'.

Think carefully about your answer, M Ballespetites - or you are coming with me....

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What are you ranting about ya smacking dickhead....I have made no claims about anyone....I have posted statements from the court proceedings and commented on those statements....You on the other hand have gone on a rant about bullshit....Making statements without supporting evidence and smearing Ms Higgins like the arsehole rapist excuser you are!!!

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Only in the emotion-driven and riddled minds of the  Luvvahs of Accusahs That Are Wimmen does anyone ever suggest that available evidence should not be polled


WTF are you ranting about dickhead....Your rant makes no sense like most of your Crap???

Crappler ranted....
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so now your claim is that a man accused has no rights - but a woman accuser has all rights and more, including to crush his evidence out of existence with the connivance of the 'court'.


Okay Crappler....
Where did I claim that that a man accused has no rights - but a woman accuser has all rights and more....Post this claim you reacon I made dickhead
you looser arsehole of forever be known as the The Fat Useless Lying piece of Crap you are!!!

I am waiting???

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You proto-Nazis are all the same... totally confused about reality and you hide it behind bombast.  It's not my fault that you have the intellectual and verbal capacity of a flea .... in whining about Deuce seeking info from Reynolds you said clearly that this was wrong, thereby designating that  the seeking of info from one side - the one you chose from Day One to hate, is somehow dishonest.... yet the same from the other side is not.

Truly you are bizarre - no wonder they never let you near a jury.

Keep jumping on the end of the line...
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Reply #444 - Sep 4th, 2024 at 3:57pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 4th, 2024 at 2:33pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Sep 4th, 2024 at 8:42am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 3rd, 2024 at 11:06pm:
Keep up in class, lad....  YOU brought up the issue of Reynolds in the Leer Man case ...... I answered it... so let's try again - do you have a problem with an applicant to a court seeking corroboration and evidence that may help the case... or not?  You know - like Deuce did with Reynolds in his case... if she had relevant information or evidence he was well within his rights to ask for it .. nd she to give it.

Only in the emotion-driven and riddled minds of the  Luvvahs of Accusahs That Are Wimmen does anyone ever suggest that available evidence should not be polled...

so now your claim is that a man accused has no rights - but a woman accuser has all rights and more, including to crush his evidence out of existence with the connivance of the 'court'.

Think carefully about your answer, M Ballespetites - or you are coming with me....

https://media.tenor.com/sXPkjvYuiZQAAAAM/hans-landa.gif


What are you ranting about ya smacking dickhead....I have made no claims about anyone....I have posted statements from the court proceedings and commented on those statements....You on the other hand have gone on a rant about bullshit....Making statements without supporting evidence and smearing Ms Higgins like the arsehole rapist excuser you are!!!

Crappler ranted....
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Only in the emotion-driven and riddled minds of the  Luvvahs of Accusahs That Are Wimmen does anyone ever suggest that available evidence should not be polled


WTF are you ranting about dickhead....Your rant makes no sense like most of your Crap???

Crappler ranted....
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so now your claim is that a man accused has no rights - but a woman accuser has all rights and more, including to crush his evidence out of existence with the connivance of the 'court'.


Okay Crappler....
Where did I claim that that a man accused has no rights - but a woman accuser has all rights and more....Post this claim you reacon I made dickhead
you looser arsehole of forever be known as the The Fat Useless Lying piece of Crap you are!!!

I am waiting???

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You proto-Nazis are all the same... totally confused about reality and you hide it behind bombast.  It's not my fault that you have the intellectual and verbal capacity of a flea .... in whining about Deuce seeking info from Reynolds you said clearly that this was wrong, thereby designating that  the seeking of info from one side - the one you chose from Day One to hate, is somehow dishonest.... yet the same from the other side is not.

Truly you are bizarre - no wonder they never let you near a jury.

Keep jumping on the end of the line...


The Higgins legal team only learned that Senator Reynolds was helping the defence of her alledged rapist during the trial through discovery....Senator Reynolds never offered any help to Ms Higgins after she was shipped off to Cash's office....Reynolds also referred Ms Higgins settlement to the Anti Crime Commission and leaked confidential details of the settlement to News Ltd journo....Sounds like Reynolds is a vindictive bitch who went out of her way to harrass Ms Higgins and you are a dickhead!!!

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Reply #445 - Sep 4th, 2024 at 7:31pm
 
Does anyone have an update on Bruce latest trial for raping?

You got give credit to these young “ born to rule “ liberal’s.

When they aren’t raping colleagues on senator desks in Canberra there out on the northern beaches of Sydney raping children.
It’s no wonder the liberals couldn’t meet the deadline to contest council elections.

With all the raping and child  gay intercourse and frantic denials they obviously just didn’t have time between being charged and seeking legal advice?
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Reply #446 - Sep 4th, 2024 at 8:39pm
 
"The Higgins legal team only learned that Senator Reynolds was helping the defence of her alleged rapist during the trial through discovery

And?  Are you suggesting that the alleged rapist did not have the right to ask for and receive help, information, possible support and any possible ex-culpatory evidence?



....Senator Reynolds never offered any help to Ms Higgins after she was shipped off to Cash's office....

Did Young Brit request any information or supporting evidence from Reynolds or any staff?  Senator Reynolds offered young Higgins a walk to the local Federal Police station inside Parliament House if she wished to make any complaints of a legal nature (which she had not done in interview with Reynolds so Reynolds was doing the right thing making that offer - covering all the bases as an ex Army officer would do) .... Reynolds did not sack Young Brit alongside her fellow perpetrator of the security breach (Pussy Pass), Deuce got the arse, she got the pass for the same offence .... Young Brit was offered the choice of remaining in Canberra or working out of Reynolds' Western Australian office, then when unhappy, was handed a transfer to another Minister's office ...


Reynolds also referred Ms Higgins settlement to the Anti Crime Commission and leaked confidential details of the settlement to News Ltd journo" 

And??  Reynolds considered that, unlike Young Brit and The Case, if there was a case to answer about the way in which Young Brit was handed a hefty golden handshake, it should be referred to a policing body (as Young Brit did NOT do about her claimed 'rape' until long after all evidence was dead, cremated and buried), and Reynolds, probably rightly in the public interest since everyone else wanted to know, felt that there was something shady about a 'confidential settlement'.


Now then - Young Brit and her Bruce clone husband David Sharkaz, are putting their paid for home in France up for sale to cover costs.  You should read some of the public comments about that and how happy many are out there in Australialand to hear that this is the case...

For something never proven in a court of law and having zero chance of ever being proven in such a court, since Young Brit destroyed evidence etc, and others did a very poor job...... this absolute non-event is certainly causing a lot of people a lot of pain.

Maybe you, you POS, need to get your head out of your arse and try to think for once.... and shut your foul mouth while you're at it. It's sheep like you who are dragging this country into the slimy ditches alongside the roads of civilisation.
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Reply #447 - Sep 5th, 2024 at 5:35am
 
Hmmm - lot of new arse tearing from both sides, eh?  Always do a Reynolds, lads, and WAIT on the facts to come forth, instead of jumping to conclusion after being driven by emotion.  Jeez - if you really want to get serious about that kind of thing, you can cut your balls off and become a woman in your own feelings....

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/senator-needs-to-nail-higgins-lie-trial...

"Brittany Higgins must be "restrained" and Senator Linda Reynolds "needs to nail the lie" amid a conspiracy to inflict hurt and injury on the politician, a court has been told.

Ms Higgins is fighting a defamation lawsuit launched by her former boss, Senator Reynolds, over a series of social media posts that the ex-defence minister believes damaged her reputation.

In closing his case, the senator's lawyer Martin Bennett said Ms Higgins planned with her now husband David Sharaz to harm his client and the damage she caused was amplified by her social media posts.

"This was intended by Ms Higgins," he told the Western Australian Supreme Court on Wednesday.

"Her boast was that she fights to control the daily media cycle, throwing mud ... plainly inseparable from her truth, a concept that's factually devoid of actual truth."

"To vindicate her reputation (Senator Reynolds) needs to nail the lie that's been perpetuated since February 2021," Mr Bennett said

He called for Ms Higgins to be legally restrained from further defamatory posts against the senator as she was "wedded to social media" and would "continue to proclaim her truth".

Senator Reyholds' reputation demands the truth be established because if it isn't, "sure as anything" Ms Higgins will continue to defame her, Mr Bennett said.

He said Senator Reynolds was entitled to a substantial damage award, citing cases where litigants had been awarded up to $675,000.

Outside court, the senator said she was relieved the trial was over and it was "highly regrettable that I've had to take it this far to not only defend my reputation but also to get the truth out there and to stop the publications of things that are not true".

The senator said the case had taken a toll on her and everybody she loved.

"It was very good for me after three and a half years to be able to tell my story and for my family and friends and colleagues to also be able to tell the truth," she said.

Asked if it was difficult to take legal action against Ms Higgins, an alleged rape victim, and put "a chunk" of her $2.4 million Commonwealth settlement at risk, the senator said: "That's not a fair question".

"It's important to note that I've never doubted or contradicted, in fact, I did everything I could to support her allegations," she said.

"This is not about the allegation and the finding of rape, this is about what was said and what was alleged about my actions."


Mr Bennett addressed Ms Higgins' statements and social media posts about the senator attempting to silence her as a sexual assault victim, saying the case wasn't about the alleged rape.

"Ms Higgins is not being sued for speaking out about sexual assault," he said.

"She's been sued for defaming the senator."


"The fact that she was sexually assaulted is accepted by Senator Reynolds, deeply sympathetic to the trauma ... but that didn't give Ms Higgins a licence to defame."

Mr Bennett also outlined a 2021 message exchange between Ms Higgins and her partner David Sharaz in which they discussed the senator's political demise after she took leave from parliament.

"So Linda has delayed her return to work hahaha, three weeks," said one of the messages read by Mr Bennett.

Another said: "Wow, she's done. You don't take three weeks and come back".

"So they mock the fact that the attack initiated on my client has caused her to go on sick leave," Mr Bennett said.

He reminded the court how Ms Higgins and Mr Sharaz had allegedly executed a plan to harm the senator.

Mr Bennett said that in another of Mr Sharaz's messages to Ms Higgins, he said: "Suck sh*t Linda, you awful human".

Both sides have now put their cases and Justice Paul Tottle has reserved his decision."



Commentary:-  So much to-do and utterances and even not quite rendering of facts about something NEVER PROVEN TO HAVE HAPPENED - Reynolds was incorrect in saying that she accepted one version without evidence.  Again - that is an opinion - not a truth. 

Deuce has never been found guilty in a court of law and the evidence was as thin as an Ethiopian's greyhound.

As for Young Brit - she increasingly sounds like a rather silly young thing addicted to social media and drama and seems to be malleable, as so many are these days, in the hands of the social media types and even her friends - it's a form of borderline personality disorder in which the social media world becomes the reality and the world is the fantasy (leads to nut cutting and such in youngsters who should not even have access to such information) - hardly the credentials for a reliable witness.

Anyway - this will be a good one.

Jeez - this Sharkaz sounds a bit twee, doesn't he?  Is that... like.... a modern thing for 'men'?


                                 
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Reply #448 - Sep 5th, 2024 at 5:56am
 
... but there's more...  don't go away - stay glued to your seat ...

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/reynolds-lawyer-throws-spotlight-on-hig...

Everyone is ignoring the fact that Young Brit didn't make any complaint until later.... once again - at the initial interview which Young Brit entered knowing that Deuce had already been given his marching orders, the Senator offered to 'walk' her down to the AFP point in PH if there was anything she felt needed to be discussed with police... Young Brit refused and yet still got the Pussy Pass on keeping her job .... and then delayed making any complaint until her ideas had curdled enough or she was advised to do so.  Wonder by who??

This whole thing sucks.

P.S.  Told yez they put all the relevant news up in the middle of the night - by the time you dirt-holes get out of bed it's disappeared..... just like John Howard's comment that those dead Iraqi citizens died for a good cause in Desert Storm ... or that parachuting airman footage on Night One of the bombing campaign .... that guy is still missing and his wife has been paid out long ago.... but nobody was shot down officially.  Nearly landed on the falcon camera.
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Reply #449 - Sep 5th, 2024 at 6:08am
 
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/toll-senator-speaks-as-higgins-trial-en...

You really should read all these links for the actual words spoken, which quite often give a different skew from what the media initially reports......

Reynolds:-  “It’s important to note that I’ve never doubted or contradicted (Ms Higgins’ rape allegations), in fact I did everything I could to support the allegations,” she said." ... note - AS allegations, not as indisputable truth.

Not quite the same as saying she accepted them as truth ...  start thinking, pigeons.... you are being sheep-dipped by the media as only sheep can be....
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Reply #450 - Sep 5th, 2024 at 9:17am
 
Senator Reynolds actions do not reconcile with the statements (lies) she told the court....Why would Reynolds who claims to believe Ms Higgins was raped and that she fully supported her then sacked her accuser, go on to help the alledged rapist against the woman Reynolds claimed was the victim....Why did Senator Reynolds help the person she believed was a rapist Crappler???

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Reply #451 - Sep 5th, 2024 at 12:53pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Sep 5th, 2024 at 9:17am:
Senator Reynolds actions do not reconcile with the statements (lies) she told the court....Why would Reynolds who claims to believe Ms Higgins was raped and that she fully supported her then sacked her accuser, go on to help the alledged rapist against the woman Reynolds claimed was the victim....Why did Senator Reynolds help the person she believed was a rapist ???

Huh Huh Huh



She didn't - she gave the benefit of doubt... Reynolds did not SAY she believed it implicitly - just that she accepted the possibility pending proof and asked Higgins if she had anything she wanted to discuss with the police next door or so.  Deuce was not sacked for being a rapist - he was sacked for a security breach, and Higgins was on the mat for the same breach.  You really must stop confusing things with one another.

At the time of that interview, her first opportunity to make that claim of rape, Higgins did not.  That story came later, after she'd had time to think about it or get advice from what increasingly appears to be a manipulative and scheming 'boyfriend' or similar.

Higgins accepted the legal right of the defendant to request information, and she gave it.  Had the accuser asked, I have no doubt she would have received the same level of attention..... Higgins/Lawyers did not ask Reynolds for any corroboration, but chose, rather, to try to use Reynolds as a stalking horse to muddy the waters of the case that never was.... make out that the only reason Higgins did not come forward at the outset and then actually destroyed evidence and later made **coughs** incorrect statements to police etc, was because she had been 'victimised' by Reynolds.  If someone had tried to stand over YOU in that way, what would be your response if you were genuinely aggrieved?  I'd be in front of the cameras in five minutes, not waging a war of words on social media to undermine.

Mark that word - CASE  that never was...nobody knows to this day whether or not the alleged event took place - but the CASE when presented was as thin as that old Ethiopian's whippett, and had no chance of success in any real court of Law (not law), and therefore the CASE did not exist other than in the mind of the accuser and those prepared to jump to conclusions and be lead by the nose like sheep.

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Reply #452 - Sep 5th, 2024 at 3:59pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 5th, 2024 at 12:53pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Sep 5th, 2024 at 9:17am:
Senator Reynolds actions do not reconcile with the statements (lies) she told the court....Why would Reynolds who claims to believe Ms Higgins was raped and that she fully supported her then sacked her accuser, go on to help the alledged rapist against the woman Reynolds claimed was the victim....Why did Senator Reynolds help the person she believed was a rapist ???

Huh Huh Huh


She didn't - she gave the benefit of doubt... Reynolds did not SAY she believed it implicitly
- just that she accepted the possibility pending proof and asked Higgins if she had anything she wanted to discuss with the police next door or so.  Deuce was not sacked for being a rapist - he was sacked for a security breach, and Higgins was on the mat for the same breach.  You really must stop confusing things with one another.

How d'ya feel?


You are a liar and a dickhead Crappler....Why lie when the truth is so easy to prove arsehole!!!

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Outside court, Senator Reynolds told media she took legal action against Ms Higgins to defend allegations made about her and the non-existent cover-up of a rape.

She defended the decision to launch legal action against Ms Higgins, who she acknowledged had been raped in Parliament House.

“It’s important to note that I’ve never doubted or contradicted (Ms Higgins’ rape allegations), in fact I did everything I could to support the allegations,” she said.


So how do you reconcile your bullshit and the fact Reynolds claimed to believe Ms Higginsl....Why did Senator Reynolds help the person she believed was a rapist Crappler!!!

How d'ya feel ya pathetic lying rape excuser???

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Reply #453 - Sep 6th, 2024 at 7:51am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 5th, 2024 at 12:53pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Sep 5th, 2024 at 9:17am:
Senator Reynolds actions do not reconcile with the statements (lies) she told the court....Why would Reynolds who claims to believe Ms Higgins was raped and that she fully supported her then sacked her accuser, go on to help the alledged rapist against the woman Reynolds claimed was the victim....Why did Senator Reynolds help the person she believed was a rapist ???

Huh Huh Huh



She didn't - she gave the benefit of doubt... Reynolds did not SAY she believed it implicitly - just that she accepted the possibility pending proof and asked Higgins if she had anything she wanted to discuss with the police next door or so.  Deuce was not sacked for being a rapist - he was sacked for a security breach, and Higgins was on the mat for the same breach.  You really must stop confusing things with one another.

At the time of that interview, her first opportunity to make that claim of rape, Higgins did not.  That story came later, after she'd had time to think about it or get advice from what increasingly appears to be a manipulative and scheming 'boyfriend' or similar.

Higgins accepted the legal right of the defendant to request information, and she gave it.  Had the accuser asked, I have no doubt she would have received the same level of attention..... Higgins/Lawyers did not ask Reynolds for any corroboration, but chose, rather, to try to use Reynolds as a stalking horse to muddy the waters of the case that never was.... make out that the only reason Higgins did not come forward at the outset and then actually destroyed evidence and later made **coughs** incorrect statements to police etc, was because she had been 'victimised' by Reynolds.  If someone had tried to stand over YOU in that way, what would be your response if you were genuinely aggrieved?  I'd be in front of the cameras in five minutes, not waging a war of words on social media to undermine.

Mark that word - CASE  that never was...nobody knows to this day whether or not the alleged event took place - but the CASE when presented was as thin as that old Ethiopian's whippett, and had no chance of success in any real court of Law (not law), and therefore the CASE did not exist other than in the mind of the accuser and those prepared to jump to conclusions and be lead by the nose like sheep.

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Reply #454 - Sep 6th, 2024 at 8:02am
 
No, no, no, dopey - Reynolds said she'd never DOUBTED Higgins' tale of woe - not that she believed it....it's the same for Deuce's tale of woe - Reynolds never doubted his version of events ... she never said she believed it.

What you and countless others always fail to see is that maintaining a neutral position is not taking sides, as you do and did instantly.  Your kind simply do not have the nous to understand the difference between the two positions.

Reynolds herself said she'd taken a neutral position and  that means she did not judge instantly but awaited FACTS - which in support of Higgins' case were never forthcoming.

So if Deuce's lawyers asked Reynolds for clarification on certain points, and Reynolds responded by giving that clarification - what she did was legally correct.  Again - had Higgins' lawyers requested clarification on certain points, Reynolds, on that history, would have responded in exactly the same manner.

Stop being one-eyed and stupid with it.... even for you there is hope.

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"Ya see, Pill ... as an example I do not doubt that you are Phil from Perth... buggared if I know why, but I don't doubt that at all... whether I believe absolutely that you indeed ARE Phil from Perth is another issue - you could Filipe Umbero from Guacomole Province for all I KNOW.... or some troll sitting in England somewhere playing games to try to herh-herh yourself into a preening position for your ego .... so Reynolds can say she does not DOUBT the story and is therefore open to seeing it at least supported by facts- but that does not equate to absolute belief.  Capisce?

Clearly Reynolds has been defamed...

Poor Perth.... no wonder it's way over there... nobody on the Australian side wants all them Poms here, either..."
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Reply #455 - Sep 6th, 2024 at 8:38am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 6th, 2024 at 8:02am:
Reynolds said she'd never DOUBTED Higgins' tale of woe - not that she believed it...

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Reply #456 - Sep 6th, 2024 at 8:39am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 6th, 2024 at 8:02am:
No, no, no, dopey - Reynolds said she'd never DOUBTED Higgins' tale of woe - not that she believed it....it's the same for Deuce's tale of woe - Reynolds never doubted his version of events ... she never said she believed it.

What you and countless others always fail to see is that maintaining a neutral position is not taking sides, as you do and did instantly.  Your kind simply do not have the nous to understand the difference between the two positions.

Reynolds herself said she'd taken a neutral position and  that means she did not judge instantly but awaited FACTS - which in support of Higgins' case were never forthcoming.

So if Deuce's lawyers asked Reynolds for clarification on certain points, and Reynolds responded by giving that clarification - what she did was legally correct.  Again - had Higgins' lawyers requested clarification on certain points, Reynolds, on that history, would have responded in exactly the same manner.

Stop being one-eyed and stupid with it.... even for you there is hope.

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"Ya see, Pill ... as an example I do not doubt that you are Phil from Perth... buggared if I know why, but I don't doubt that at all... whether I believe absolutely that you indeed ARE Phil from Perth is another issue - you could Filipe Umbero from Guacomole Province for all I KNOW.... or some troll sitting in England somewhere playing games to try to herh-herh yourself into a preening position for your ego .... so Reynolds can say she does not DOUBT the story and is therefore open to seeing it at least supported by facts- but that does not equate to absolute belief.  Capisce?

Clearly Reynolds has been defamed...

Poor Perth.... no wonder it's way over there... nobody on the Australian side wants all them Poms here, either..."

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Reply #457 - Sep 6th, 2024 at 9:02am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Sep 5th, 2024 at 3:59pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 5th, 2024 at 12:53pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Sep 5th, 2024 at 9:17am:
Senator Reynolds actions do not reconcile with the statements (lies) she told the court....Why would Reynolds who claims to believe Ms Higgins was raped and that she fully supported her then sacked her accuser, go on to help the alledged rapist against the woman Reynolds claimed was the victim....Why did Senator Reynolds help the person she believed was a rapist ???

Huh Huh Huh


She didn't - she gave the benefit of doubt... Reynolds did not SAY she believed it implicitly
- just that she accepted the possibility pending proof and asked Higgins if she had anything she wanted to discuss with the police next door or so.  Deuce was not sacked for being a rapist - he was sacked for a security breach, and Higgins was on the mat for the same breach.  You really must stop confusing things with one another.

How d'ya feel?


You are a liar and a dickhead Crappler....Why lie when the truth is so easy to prove arsehole!!!

Quote:
Outside court, Senator Reynolds told media she took legal action against Ms Higgins to defend allegations made about her and the non-existent cover-up of a rape.

She defended the decision to launch legal action against Ms Higgins, who she acknowledged had been raped in Parliament House.

“It’s important to note that I’ve never doubted or contradicted (Ms Higgins’ rape allegations), in fact I did everything I could to support the allegations,” she said.


So how do you reconcile your bullshit and the fact Reynolds claimed to believe Ms Higginsl....Why did Senator Reynolds help the person she believed was a rapist Crappler!!!

How d'ya feel ya pathetic lying rape excuser???

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

https://www.news.com.au/national/western-australia/brittany-higgins-labelled-arr...


Senator Reynolds never doubted or contradicted (Ms Higgins’ rape allegations)
???

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Reply #458 - Sep 6th, 2024 at 9:09am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Sep 6th, 2024 at 9:02am:
Senator Reynolds never doubted or contradicted (Ms Higgins’ rape allegations)
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Neither did I - that doesn't mean I believed it.... without good reason she wouldn't contradict it.... doesn't mean she believed in it.
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Reply #459 - Sep 6th, 2024 at 9:11am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 6th, 2024 at 9:09am:
philperth2010 wrote on Sep 6th, 2024 at 9:02am:
Senator Reynolds never doubted or contradicted (Ms Higgins’ rape allegations)
???

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Neither did I - that doesn't mean I believed it.... without good reason she wouldn't contradict it.... doesn't mean she believed in it.


Grappler always has the lowdown on every issue.
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Reply #460 - Sep 6th, 2024 at 10:09am
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Sep 6th, 2024 at 9:11am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 6th, 2024 at 9:09am:
philperth2010 wrote on Sep 6th, 2024 at 9:02am:
Senator Reynolds never doubted or contradicted (Ms Higgins’ rape allegations)
???

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Neither did I - that doesn't mean I believed it.... without good reason she wouldn't contradict it.... doesn't mean she believed in it.


Grappler always has the lowdown on every issue.


According to Crappler Reynolds never doubting or contradicting Ms Higgins’ rape allegations does'nt mean she believed it....Apparently Reynolds cannot be believed because according to Crappler she was lying when she claimed.... “It’s important to note that I’ve never doubted or contradicted (Ms Higgins’ rape allegations), in fact I did everything I could to support the allegations,” she said...Reynolds lied according to Crappler who knows what was really in Reynolds head when she lied to the court!!!

Can you provide any statement from Reynolds were she claimed she did not believe Ms Higgins rape allegations Crappler....You made the claim now back it up ya smacking dickhead???


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Reply #461 - Sep 6th, 2024 at 11:08am
 
Doubt is one end of the line - belief is the other - saying you do not doubt does not automatically place you at the belief end....  reynolds offered Higgins every chance to make a statement early and even offered a walk down to the police office - Higgins said no.  Higgins' later assertions were never validated.

Stop pretending to be stupid.  I don't doubt that you are an idiot who cannot understand English ...  but until it is clearly proven that you are an idiot, I don't necessarily believe you are....

Now then - I suppose you think that Mayo's 'listen' meant 'hear and obey or be punished', rather than simply hearing what they have to say?

It's a cultural thing - in your case a lack of cultural thing.  No wonder the voice failed with mouths like that pushing for it... including you.
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Reply #462 - Sep 6th, 2024 at 11:15am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Sep 6th, 2024 at 10:09am:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Sep 6th, 2024 at 9:11am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 6th, 2024 at 9:09am:
philperth2010 wrote on Sep 6th, 2024 at 9:02am:
Senator Reynolds never doubted or contradicted (Ms Higgins’ rape allegations)
???

Grin Grin Grin



Neither did I - that doesn't mean I believed it.... without good reason she wouldn't contradict it.... doesn't mean she believed in it.


Grappler always has the lowdown on every issue.


According to Crappler Reynolds never doubting or contradicting Ms Higgins’ rape allegations does'nt mean she believed it....Apparently Reynolds cannot be believed because according to Crappler she was lying when she claimed.... “It’s important to note that I’ve never doubted or contradicted (Ms Higgins’ rape allegations), in fact I did everything I could to support the allegations,” she said...!!!

Can you provide any statement from Reynolds were she claimed she did not believe
wrong word - Reynolds simply did not view it from the opposite end of the spectrum of doubt = total rejection - pending evidence
Ms Higgins rape allegations Crappler....You made the claim now back it up ???


Grin Grin Grin


'never doubted or contradicted' ... so she was open to hearing the story - much later - as Higgins provided - and was prepared to wait on the evidence before leaping to a conclusion like you.... she also never doubted or contradicted Deuce... that must stick in your craw - someone actually being neutral and awaiting the facts first, unlike you, you crawling POS.

Now you try to convert 'never doubted or contradicted' into 'believed' and demand an answer on that basis.

You've got your answer... she never doubted or contradicted - but that does not equate to absolute belief.....and as time goes by any belief in the veracity of Higgins grows thinner and thinner.

Go home.
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Reply #463 - Sep 6th, 2024 at 11:37am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 6th, 2024 at 11:15am:
philperth2010 wrote on Sep 6th, 2024 at 10:09am:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Sep 6th, 2024 at 9:11am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 6th, 2024 at 9:09am:
philperth2010 wrote on Sep 6th, 2024 at 9:02am:
Senator Reynolds never doubted or contradicted (Ms Higgins’ rape allegations)
???

Grin Grin Grin



Neither did I - that doesn't mean I believed it.... without good reason she wouldn't contradict it.... doesn't mean she believed in it.


Grappler always has the lowdown on every issue.


According to Crappler Reynolds never doubting or contradicting Ms Higgins’ rape allegations does'nt mean she believed it....Apparently Reynolds cannot be believed because according to Crappler she was lying when she claimed.... “It’s important to note that I’ve never doubted or contradicted (Ms Higgins’ rape allegations), in fact I did everything I could to support the allegations,” she said...!!!

Can you provide any statement from Reynolds were she claimed she did not believe
wrong word - Reynolds simply did not view it from the opposite end of the spectrum of doubt = total rejection - pending evidence
Ms Higgins rape allegations Crappler....You made the claim now back it up ???


Grin Grin Grin


'never doubted or contradicted' ... so she was open to hearing the story - much later - as Higgins provided - and was prepared to wait on the evidence before leaping to a conclusion like you.... she also never doubted or contradicted Deuce... that must stick in your craw - someone actually being neutral and awaiting the facts first, unlike you, you crawling POS.

Now you try to convert 'never doubted or contradicted' into 'believed' and demand an answer on that basis.

You've got your answer... she never doubted or contradicted - but that does not equate to absolute belief.....and as time goes by any belief in the veracity of Higgins grows thinner and thinner.

Go home.


Post the statement by Reynolds you are relying on to claim she did in fact not mean this when Reynolds said....Senator Reynolds
never doubted or contradicted
(Ms Higgins’ rape allegations)....The onus is on you to present the statement Reynolds made to contradict this statement....Over to you dickhead???

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Reply #464 - Sep 6th, 2024 at 6:05pm
 
doubt - 1. : uncertainty of belief or opinion. 2. : the state of being uncertain

belief - an acceptance that something exists or is true, especially one without proof.

At no time did Reynolds use, express, the word 'believe' or 'belief in the Higgins saga..... she simply said she had not expressed doubt.  This in the context of not wishing to impose on or intimidate Higgins at that time - but in her trained way - to get to the truth.

Again - Reynolds offered Higgins a 'walk' to the local police post in the building IF she had anything of a legal nature she may wish to discuss - it was not Reynolds' place, as she herself said, to control any legal issue - Higgins - again - refused the 'walk', having at that time no complaint to make.

That - as well as not expressing doubt about the story - was offering support without intruding into things that were not her domain, but the domain of police - IF any such event occurred, as Reynolds held out the offer of discussing - which is why Reynolds much later, on hearing out of Higgins' mouth that she was a nasty bitch and intimidated Higgins, burst out with "Lying cow!".

I think Higgins is gone on this one - which only adds to a so far very sorry tale that reflects well on nobody - but reflects better on Reynolds than the others.
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Reply #465 - Sep 6th, 2024 at 11:22pm
 
Here is a scenario I know quite personally:

A guy gets drunk. He goes to sleep it off in the other room. A co-worker (female) decides that he is attractive enough to get his sperm for impregnation. She goes into the room, and gives the man fellatio. He lays there quite drunk, but starts to enjoy the sensation. After a few minutes of lollipopping the man, the woman decides that she is not getting anything from him. But his erection is attractive enough to have a bit of a ride.

Getting to the issue, she is using her female empowerment motivation to slide Mister "nice and clean" inside her "slippery dip". And after a few climactic sessions, she finally gets to release her 'victims' seeds into her uterus. The guy wakes up an hour later, all groggy. His ding-dong showing signs of recent ejaculation from a coupling. He wonders why his pants are unzipped. But he parts this thought to that of being rather drunk. He gets up and goes home.

10 months later, a co-worker of his announces that she has given birth to a child. She accuses the man of raping her. DNA tests confirm that the man is the biological father of the child. However, he cannot recall that he was ever in a relationship with the mother of the child. The mother however, wants to get paid for the sperm donation.

Perhaps there is something about that anecdote that speaks volumes for the scenario of Brittany Higgins. She was aware of being raped. But, she was unable to defend herself during the inebriation. And having woken up feeling that she might have been date raped, she made the error of not seeing if she was a victim of crime, by reporting to police and having a rape kit conducted.



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Reply #466 - Sep 7th, 2024 at 12:16pm
 
More meat:-

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/bombshells-in-senator-s-fight-with-higg...

Do your own reading before it disappears.

Media has the knives out for Witness B now... anything for a beefy story ...

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/higgins-mocked-reynolds-senator-s-lawye...
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