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Re: Rent and Reparations
Reply #225 - Aug 23rd, 2023 at 11:46am
 
Is no voice - is no problem with rent or reparations.

Now then - about that rent on all the improvements wrought by civilisation....... how do the local Aborigines plan to pay that?  They'll all have to go to work.... very culture destroying..... but them's the breaks...
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Reply #226 - Aug 23rd, 2023 at 7:27pm
 
Frank wrote on Aug 23rd, 2023 at 10:22am:
John Smith wrote on Aug 23rd, 2023 at 8:41am:
Frank wrote on Aug 23rd, 2023 at 8:38am:
John Smith wrote on Aug 23rd, 2023 at 8:37am:
Frank wrote on Aug 23rd, 2023 at 8:27am:
John Smith wrote on Aug 23rd, 2023 at 8:24am:
So you'll have no trouble quoting me then, ..... but I'm betting you'll do an FD and run away Cheesy



Are you really part Aboriginal?



Are you stuttering Sore end? You asked that in another thread.

Well, are you?

Not a difficult question, even for one as thick as you.



It's a stupid question, all 4 times that you asked.

Why is Aboriginality a stupid question?

If you can tell me to **** off to Denmark then why is it a stupid question to ask your Aboriginality - or anyone's?
If it's not racist and stupid from you then it's not racist and stupid from me, either.


It's stupid because it's irrelevant.  What is the point of the question? Are you really that moronic that you think only someone aboriginal would defend aborigines? Are you really that bereft of compassion in your life that the idea that someone might stand up for someone for no reason other than because they see a wrong, is totally beyond you?
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Reply #227 - Aug 23rd, 2023 at 8:01pm
 
John Smith wrote on Aug 23rd, 2023 at 7:27pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 23rd, 2023 at 10:22am:
John Smith wrote on Aug 23rd, 2023 at 8:41am:
Frank wrote on Aug 23rd, 2023 at 8:38am:
John Smith wrote on Aug 23rd, 2023 at 8:37am:
Frank wrote on Aug 23rd, 2023 at 8:27am:
John Smith wrote on Aug 23rd, 2023 at 8:24am:
So you'll have no trouble quoting me then, ..... but I'm betting you'll do an FD and run away Cheesy



Are you really part Aboriginal?



Are you stuttering Sore end? You asked that in another thread.

Well, are you?

Not a difficult question, even for one as thick as you.



It's a stupid question, all 4 times that you asked.

Why is Aboriginality a stupid question?

If you can tell me to **** off to Denmark then why is it a stupid question to ask your Aboriginality - or anyone's?
If it's not racist and stupid from you then it's not racist and stupid from me, either.


It's stupid because it's irrelevant.  What is the point of the question? Are you really that moronic that you think only someone aboriginal would defend aborigines? Are you really that bereft of compassion in your life that the idea that someone might stand up for someone for no reason other than because they see a wrong, is totally beyond you?


This is the Aboriginal Affairs board, rent and reparation for Aborigines thread. Aboriginality IS pertinent.

I was born in Denmark with Danish parents and one French Swiss grandmother. Wife English with some Scottish and Norwegian ancestry. Three sons, no Aboriginals in my family.

Are you part Aborigine? Don't be ashamed to say who your people are. I am not, nor should you.
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Re: Rent and Reparations
Reply #228 - Aug 23rd, 2023 at 8:05pm
 
Frank wrote on Aug 23rd, 2023 at 8:01pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 23rd, 2023 at 7:27pm:
Frank wrote on Aug 23rd, 2023 at 10:22am:
John Smith wrote on Aug 23rd, 2023 at 8:41am:
Frank wrote on Aug 23rd, 2023 at 8:38am:
John Smith wrote on Aug 23rd, 2023 at 8:37am:
Frank wrote on Aug 23rd, 2023 at 8:27am:
John Smith wrote on Aug 23rd, 2023 at 8:24am:
So you'll have no trouble quoting me then, ..... but I'm betting you'll do an FD and run away Cheesy



Are you really part Aboriginal?



Are you stuttering Sore end? You asked that in another thread.

Well, are you?

Not a difficult question, even for one as thick as you.



It's a stupid question, all 4 times that you asked.

Why is Aboriginality a stupid question?

If you can tell me to **** off to Denmark then why is it a stupid question to ask your Aboriginality - or anyone's?
If it's not racist and stupid from you then it's not racist and stupid from me, either.


It's stupid because it's irrelevant.  What is the point of the question? Are you really that moronic that you think only someone aboriginal would defend aborigines? Are you really that bereft of compassion in your life that the idea that someone might stand up for someone for no reason other than because they see a wrong, is totally beyond you?


This is the Aboriginal Affairs board, rent and reparation for Aborigines thread. Aboriginality IS pertinent.

I was born in Denmark with Danish parents and one French Swiss grandmother. Wife English with some Scottish and Norwegian ancestry. Three sons, no Aboriginals in my family.

Are you part Aborigine? Don't be ashamed to say who your people are. I am not, nor should you.



A. It is still irrelevant no matter how much of a mongrel you are
B. I answered your question this morning.  I don't recall what thread exactly but that's your problem since you were the Dumbarse who asked the same question on different threads.  Cheesy
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Reply #229 - Aug 23rd, 2023 at 8:14pm
 
Hi John,
were you a dunce at school?
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Reply #230 - Aug 23rd, 2023 at 8:52pm
 
issuevoter wrote on Aug 18th, 2023 at 3:27pm:
The Voice would certainly demand these payments. Just listen to the most vocal YES campaigners, but Albanese is trying to weasel out of it.

Unlike most Aboriginals, I can document my ancestors for many generations in Europe, America, and here. They came to Australia in good faith and they did not kill Aboriginals. I categorically reject any suggestion that I have inherited anything from those who stole from Aboriginals, or killed them, or that I owe indigenous people anything that should be paid out of the public purse that people of many cultures and nations contribute to.

Let the YES voters have their wages garnisheed. Should the Vietnamese and Sudanese Australians be included, or be exempt because they are not white?


Whether or not The Voice gets up, it's a certainty that there will be reparations in the pipeline. Australia is a signatory to The UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples

Some of its key points are:

Self-Determination: Indigenous peoples have the right to self-determination, which includes the right to freely determine their political status, pursue their economic, social, and cultural development, and manage their own affairs.

Land and Resources: Indigenous peoples have the right to own, use, develop, and control the lands, territories, and resources they have traditionally owned or used. This includes protection against forced displacement.

Cultural Preservation: Indigenous peoples have the right to practice and revitalize their cultural traditions, languages, and spiritual beliefs. They also have the right to maintain and develop their own educational, legal, and political institutions.

Free, Prior, and Informed Consent: States must consult and cooperate with Indigenous peoples before undertaking any projects or activities that could affect their lands, resources, or cultures. Consent must be obtained through a process of informed and meaningful participation.

Non-Discrimination: Indigenous individuals and communities should not face discrimination in any form, and they have the right to enjoy their human rights without any distinction based on their Indigenous identity.

Right to Participation: Indigenous peoples have the right to participate in decision-making processes that affect them, both at the national and international levels.

Right to Development: Indigenous peoples should not be forcibly assimilated or deprived of their cultural, social, and economic development. They should be able to benefit from development processes while maintaining their distinct identities.

Protection of Traditional Knowledge: Indigenous peoples' traditional knowledge, innovations, and practices should be respected, preserved, and passed on to future generations.

Protection from Discrimination and Genocide: Indigenous peoples are entitled to protection against all forms of discrimination and to prevent and address acts of genocide or any other act of violence.

Remedies and Redress: Indigenous peoples have the right to seek and obtain effective remedies for violations of their rights and to have their lands, territories, and resources restored or compensated in case of displacement.


Despite your denial of personal responsibilty, it's an incontrovertible fact that we've all( non-indigenous) indirectly benefited from the usurped land and its wealth. As such, consider your objection invalid.


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Reply #231 - Aug 23rd, 2023 at 8:59pm
 
Linus wrote on Aug 23rd, 2023 at 8:52pm:
issuevoter wrote on Aug 18th, 2023 at 3:27pm:
The Voice would certainly demand these payments. Just listen to the most vocal YES campaigners, but Albanese is trying to weasel out of it.

Unlike most Aboriginals, I can document my ancestors for many generations in Europe, America, and here. They came to Australia in good faith and they did not kill Aboriginals. I categorically reject any suggestion that I have inherited anything from those who stole from Aboriginals, or killed them, or that I owe indigenous people anything that should be paid out of the public purse that people of many cultures and nations contribute to.

Let the YES voters have their wages garnisheed. Should the Vietnamese and Sudanese Australians be included, or be exempt because they are not white?


Whether or not The Voice gets up, it's a certainty that there will be reparations in the pipeline. Australia is a signatory to The UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples

Some of its key points are:

Self-Determination: Indigenous peoples have the right to self-determination, which includes the right to freely determine their political status, pursue their economic, social, and cultural development, and manage their own affairs.

Land and Resources: Indigenous peoples have the right to own, use, develop, and control the lands, territories, and resources they have traditionally owned or used. This includes protection against forced displacement.

Cultural Preservation: Indigenous peoples have the right to practice and revitalize their cultural traditions, languages, and spiritual beliefs. They also have the right to maintain and develop their own educational, legal, and political institutions.

Free, Prior, and Informed Consent: States must consult and cooperate with Indigenous peoples before undertaking any projects or activities that could affect their lands, resources, or cultures. Consent must be obtained through a process of informed and meaningful participation.

Non-Discrimination: Indigenous individuals and communities should not face discrimination in any form, and they have the right to enjoy their human rights without any distinction based on their Indigenous identity.

Right to Participation: Indigenous peoples have the right to participate in decision-making processes that affect them, both at the national and international levels.

Right to Development: Indigenous peoples should not be forcibly assimilated or deprived of their cultural, social, and economic development. They should be able to benefit from development processes while maintaining their distinct identities.

Protection of Traditional Knowledge: Indigenous peoples' traditional knowledge, innovations, and practices should be respected, preserved, and passed on to future generations.

Protection from Discrimination and Genocide: Indigenous peoples are entitled to protection against all forms of discrimination and to prevent and address acts of genocide or any other act of violence.

Remedies and Redress: Indigenous peoples have the right to seek and obtain effective remedies for violations of their rights and to have their lands, territories, and resources restored or compensated in case of displacement.


Despite your denial of personal responsibilty, it's an incontrovertible fact that we've all( non-indigenous) indirectly benefited from the usurped land and its wealth. As such, consider your objection invalid.




Don't  forget to list the other side of the ledger, the benefits modernity brought to people stuck, helplessly, for millennia, in the Stone Age.
What price sanitation, education, roads, hospitals, literacy (Jan 26 is the Day of Literacy), wheels, beer, parliamentary representation, awareness of a world beyond the tribal lands, international travel, music, literature, art, future.


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Reply #232 - Aug 23rd, 2023 at 9:29pm
 
... and hats.... let's not forget hats..... we'll get Pat Dodson a BIG hat - A VERY BIG HAT!!  He could be a Commodore!!

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Reply #233 - Aug 23rd, 2023 at 9:34pm
 
Frank wrote on Aug 23rd, 2023 at 8:59pm:
Linus wrote on Aug 23rd, 2023 at 8:52pm:
issuevoter wrote on Aug 18th, 2023 at 3:27pm:
The Voice would certainly demand these payments. Just listen to the most vocal YES campaigners, but Albanese is trying to weasel out of it.

Unlike most Aboriginals, I can document my ancestors for many generations in Europe, America, and here. They came to Australia in good faith and they did not kill Aboriginals. I categorically reject any suggestion that I have inherited anything from those who stole from Aboriginals, or killed them, or that I owe indigenous people anything that should be paid out of the public purse that people of many cultures and nations contribute to.

Let the YES voters have their wages garnisheed. Should the Vietnamese and Sudanese Australians be included, or be exempt because they are not white?


Whether or not The Voice gets up, it's a certainty that there will be reparations in the pipeline. Australia is a signatory to The UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples

Some of its key points are:

Self-Determination: Indigenous peoples have the right to self-determination, which includes the right to freely determine their political status, pursue their economic, social, and cultural development, and manage their own affairs.

Land and Resources: Indigenous peoples have the right to own, use, develop, and control the lands, territories, and resources they have traditionally owned or used. This includes protection against forced displacement.

Cultural Preservation: Indigenous peoples have the right to practice and revitalize their cultural traditions, languages, and spiritual beliefs. They also have the right to maintain and develop their own educational, legal, and political institutions.

Free, Prior, and Informed Consent: States must consult and cooperate with Indigenous peoples before undertaking any projects or activities that could affect their lands, resources, or cultures. Consent must be obtained through a process of informed and meaningful participation.

Non-Discrimination: Indigenous individuals and communities should not face discrimination in any form, and they have the right to enjoy their human rights without any distinction based on their Indigenous identity.

Right to Participation: Indigenous peoples have the right to participate in decision-making processes that affect them, both at the national and international levels.

Right to Development: Indigenous peoples should not be forcibly assimilated or deprived of their cultural, social, and economic development. They should be able to benefit from development processes while maintaining their distinct identities.

Protection of Traditional Knowledge: Indigenous peoples' traditional knowledge, innovations, and practices should be respected, preserved, and passed on to future generations.

Protection from Discrimination and Genocide: Indigenous peoples are entitled to protection against all forms of discrimination and to prevent and address acts of genocide or any other act of violence.

Remedies and Redress: Indigenous peoples have the right to seek and obtain effective remedies for violations of their rights and to have their lands, territories, and resources restored or compensated in case of displacement.


Despite your denial of personal responsibilty, it's an incontrovertible fact that we've all( non-indigenous) indirectly benefited from the usurped land and its wealth. As such, consider your objection invalid.




Don't  forget to list the other side of the ledger, the benefits modernity brought to people stuck, helplessly, for millennia, in the Stone Age.
What price sanitation, education, roads, hospitals, literacy (Jan 26 is the Day of Literacy), wheels, beer, parliamentary representation, awareness of a world beyond the tribal lands, international travel, music, literature, art, future.





The UN Declaration is a clear agenda for splitting up countries into smaller groups for easier control by a world government... Australia - a nation founded on a continent entire - is a prime target in their sights.... and who is paying their bills?  Qui Bono??

We are not BOUND to UN ideas - and every one of those demands must be only in conjunction with the over-riding system of government - e.g. their own education thing must take place alongside that of the rest of the nation.

I smell trouble in the wind.... the 'bushfires' have started again... already... we need some drones up there to keep an eye on hot spots (sic).....
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