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Sir Eoin O Fada Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1943 New England, NSW Gender:	A good read on Traditions Aug 22^nd, 2023 at 10:51am https://quadrant.org.au/magazine/2023/08-online/the-ruse-of-tradition/ Does a bit of truth telling.
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Reply #1 - Aug 22^nd, 2023 at 11:03am

Dozens of pastoral stations were purchased in Western Australia to provide Aboriginal communities with their “traditional” land. Native Title was subsequently granted over some 90 per cent of the Kimberley region, including Noonkanbah in 2007. Yet, today, across the entire region, the blight of alcohol and drugs and the related domestic abuse among many of these communities is beyond crisis levels, from Broome to Fitzroy Crossing to Kalumburu. Noonkanbah itself was, until a few years ago, plagued by alcohol and drug addiction and related violence.[xliii] In many remote communities, high levels of unemployment and the seeming uselessness of future dreams lead inevitably to chronic drunkenness and drug addiction, juvenile crime and high suicide rates. It is sadly all too clear that many people—not all, but many—in those communities have not found the return to the land ennobling in any way, finding instead that they are without jobs, dependent on welfare, devoid of any sustaining sense of self-worth and without any hope of a better future.

So you return the natives to their traditional, sacred, spiritual lands and what happens? Do they regain their strong, proud Aboriginal culture and live in lotus-eating harmony with Nature and each other, as before 1788?
No, of course not. They sink ever deeper into an alcoholic stupor and self-degradation.

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Reply #2 - Aug 28^th, 2023 at 9:41am

Penny Wong might have been wise to wait for the result of the voice to parliament referendum before appointing an Aboriginal voice to the world. Instead, she jumped the gun by selecting Justin Mohamed as Australia’s Ambassador for First Nations People.

Other ambassadors, high commissioners and consuls-general are employed to represent all Australians. Mohamed is paid to represent some Australians.

Other diplomatic appointments are made purely on merit. Applications for the position to which Mohamed was appointed in March were restricted to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Australians.

The Ambassador for First Nations People is tasked with the “development and implementation of a First Nations foreign policy”, with specific instruction to conduct “international First Nations dialogues on voice, treaty and truth with like-minded countries”.

The woolly 459-word job description betrays a sense of internal confusion. How exactly will the knowledge of First Nations people Mohamed is presumed to embody help solve “shared challenges such as health security, environmental management and climate change, and gender equality”? In what way are the experiences of Indigenous Australians about these topics “unique”?

More pertinently, the bureaucrats responsible for this mumbo jumbo appear to have given little consideration to the implications of establishing a separate foreign policy for Indigenous Australians.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/first-nations-ambassador-a-voice-fro...

"I am excited about the opportunities ahead to embed First Nations voices and knowledge into Australia's foreign policies and trade," Mr Mohamed said.

"I am looking forward to sitting down and listening to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people across the country, as we develop foreign policies that have First Nations People's knowledges, voice and connection to country front and centre."

https://www.dfat.gov.au/international-relations/themes/indigenous-peoples/ambass...

You couldn't make up this drivel, they would accuse you af savagely taking the piss.

Sitting down - that seems to be a major Aboriginal action plan across the board.

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Reply #3 - Aug 28^th, 2023 at 10:01am

'foreign policies'???

Don't you first need national sovereignty? Isn't Wong somewhat jumping the gun and the shark here? She's already got the Aborigines as a separate nation....

Isn't she way past her use-by date yet? FCS - this is what happens when you allow career politicians.... and when people are stupid enough to vote on party lines instead of sense lines...

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Reply #4 - Aug 28^th, 2023 at 1:54pm

It looks to me like the inhabitants of remote lands under native title, opposed to those who have lived in urban culture for generations, are largely a transitional population. They certainly are not the semi-namadic hunter gatherers still living that way in WW2 and the 1950s. Do the descendents want to re-establish a traditional way of life? I doubt it. So they seem to have few options other than running livestock or digging up minerals. If they choose a Western way of life, without Goverment handouts, it will take a lot of hard work, whatever they do. The first thing required for success is imagination.

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Reply #5 - Aug 28^th, 2023 at 2:42pm

issuevoter wrote on Aug 28^th, 2023 at 1:54pm:

It looks to me like the inhabitants of remote lands under native title, opposed to those who have lived in urban culture for generations, are largely a transitional population. They certainly are not the semi-namadic hunter gatherers still living that way in WW2 and the 1950s. Do the descendents want to re-establish a traditional way of life? I doubt it. So they seem to have few options other than running livestock or digging up minerals. If they choose a Western way of life, without Goverment handouts, it will take a lot of hard work, whatever they do. The first thing required for success is imagination.

Ah - so they no longer need access to all that land to wander over as NHGs.... good to know.... give 'em a block to build a house on and leave it at that... it's a far better deal than most get for free... most struggle for decades on a mortgage to own a home while running all the sand traps as well.....

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Sir Eoin O Fada Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1943 New England, NSW Gender:	Re: A good read on Traditions Reply #6 - Aug 29^th, 2023 at 11:35am Labor and their fellow travellers are laying the ground work for the division of Australia and its destruction as a nation. Anyone care to guess which foreign country will be one of the first to have a treaty with the “Aboriginal Nation”?
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