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Re: Preschoolers forced to say sorry
Reply #60 - Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 8:02pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 7:31pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 7:26pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 7:17pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 7:15pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 3:38pm:

Gnads wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 1:12pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 12:03pm:

Gordon wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2023 at 9:57pm:

See where this is going?

https://www.9news.com.au/national/new-south-wales-preschool-kids-sorry-cards-fir...

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Exaggerate like always.

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.... their children were asked to make "sorry" cards to First Nations people apologising for the actions of colonisers.

Nothing more than the formal apology endorsed by all , even Dutton, given by Rudd.

Get yer hands off it, you faux outraged wankers.

No comparison. Rudd & Co are adult politicians.

Hanging guilt trips on pre-schoolers is not the job of their teachers.

I hope you don't have children or grandkids if you agree with hanging that shyte on them.

Expressing regret for something that happened years ago is not a guilt trip, you idiot.

FMD AUSSIE ... THE TODDLERS WERE APOLOGISING FOR SOMETHING THEY NEVER DID AND CAN’T UNDERSTAND!

You missed the point entirely!

The kids didn't apologise for anything.

They drew a heart on a piece of paper.

Frank has already exposed Gordon's lie.

Frank: "Those cards were not written by the preschoolers, ..."

Oh sigh ...

It matters not who (in that classroom) held the pencil and wrote those words during the lesson ... it was PART of the lesson which is THE POINT ffs and that lesson WAS forced onto toddlers who have done nothing wrong AND CAN’T understand what they were supposed to have done wrong.

FFS! We’re talking toddlers still using pull ups and/or still need help when going to the toilet. 😐

What was forced onto them, exactly?

The dirty filthy lie that they needed to apologise for doing something wrong to other people when in fact they are innocent and vulnerable toddlers who have done nothing wrong.

Incidentally and alarmingly ... what’s happened to these kids is (emotional) child abuse.

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Re: Preschoolers forced to say sorry
Reply #61 - Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 8:04pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 7:56pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 7:54pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 7:14pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 7:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 6:50pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 6:49pm:

AusGeoff wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 6:44pm:

Aussie wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 3:38pm:

Expressing regret for something that happened years ago is not a guilt trip, you idiot.

To a limited extent, I agree Aussie.

But the point of this debate is primarily not
about that specifically, but about the age of
the pre-schoolers at 3-4 years, and the "right"
of their teachers to imply that they're all
responsible for the historic wrongs committed
against our Aboriginals, and the wrongs still
being committed today.

It's perfectly okay for thinking adults to express
their regrets/apologies etc, but not for little
children who're barely self-aware, let alone
aware of historical wrongs possibly committed
by their ancestors and/or family.

(BTW, you don't need personal
insults to make a point in any
debate. It only weakens your
argument.)

Apologising for what you have evidently not done makes you a fraud. Anyone accepting such an apology makes them a fraud, too.

Anyone making little children apologise for something they haven't done and do not understand is a monstrous****ing fraud and should not be let near any classroom.

Nobody is making little children do anything (unless you're referring to the allegations against Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein).

Those cards were not written by the preschoolers, ...

Ah.

So no preschoolers were forced to say sorry then.

It was all a lie.

Gordon: Frank has uncovered your lie.

They were made to apologise.

So you say, yet nobody can provide any proof of this.

Shall I bundle up your white flag with the one Lisa has just handed me?

Oh, **** off stinking creep. Just **** off.
Like you promised you would, dishonest, deformed shite.

I have to disinfect now, after interacting with you. Yuck!

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Re: Preschoolers forced to say sorry
Reply #62 - Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 8:05pm

Linus wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 8:00pm:

If you read the article, the very first lines state:

"Families of preschool students say they are outraged after their children were asked to make "sorry" cards ..."

"Asked"?

Oh, so they weren't "forced" - according to the lie in the thread title - they were asked.

And, those cards were not made by children - they were made by the teachers.

So, once again, we have confirmation that this story is a complete & utter fabrication.

More bullshit from Channel 9 and Gordon.

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Preschoolers forced to say sorry Reply #63 - Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 8:07pm Aussie wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 12:25pm: Kids have to assume a great deal is the word of God. It's called education. 👆 What’s this all about???
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Re: Preschoolers forced to say sorry
Reply #64 - Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 8:12pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 8:05pm:

Linus wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 8:00pm:

If you read the article, the very first lines state:

"Families of preschool students say they are outraged after their children were asked to make "sorry" cards ..."

"Asked"?

Asked as in required BECAUSE IT WAS A PLANNED LESSON FFS!

Don’t any of you have kids to understand wtf goes on in pre schools and kindergartens?? The teacher ASKS her class what is REQUIRED. 😐

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Re: Preschoolers forced to say sorry
Reply #65 - Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 8:13pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 8:05pm:

Linus wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 8:00pm:

If you read the article, the very first lines state:

"Families of preschool students say they are outraged after their children were asked to make "sorry" cards ..."

"Asked"?

Oh, so they weren't "forced" - according to the lie in the thread title - they were asked.

And, those cards were not made by children - they were made by the teachers.

So, once again, we have confirmation that this story is a complete & utter fabrication.

More bullshit from Channel 9 and Gordon.

I wish you would have quoted me in full. I wrote:

Quote:

If you read the article, the very first lines state:

"Families of preschool students say they are outraged after their children were asked to make "sorry" cards to First Nations people apologising for the actions of colonisers.
2GB listener Kim told Chris O'Keefe that her four-year-old twin grandchildren had participated in a lesson of painting cards apologising to First Nations people on National Sorry Day earlier this year at their preschool in Sydney's south.

One card read: "Sorry for hurting you. Sorry for hurting your land."

Looking at in one way, you could say it's a way to introduce young children to empathy, history, and social justice. While the children themselves may not have been responsible for historical injustices, the goal could be to help them understand the impacts of those actions and to develop a sense of responsibility towards creating a more just society.

However, it's obviously a highly sensitive area in society, and it may have been prudent to consult with parents beforehand.

The point being made by the right whingers on this thread is that the kids were unfairly manipulated. On the left, you'd say they were being educated.

However, the problem is that this is a sensitive issue and it would have been better had the school consulted with the parents beforehand.

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Re: Preschoolers forced to say sorry
Reply #66 - Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 8:15pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 8:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 8:05pm:

Linus wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 8:00pm:

If you read the article, the very first lines state:

"Families of preschool students say they are outraged after their children were asked to make "sorry" cards ..."

"Asked"?

Asked as in required BECAUSE IT WAS A PLANNED LESSON FFS!

Don’t any of you have kids to understand wtf goes on in pre schools and kindergartens?? The teacher ASKS her class what is REQUIRED. 😐

Hold your thunder, Greggery didn't quote me in full.

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Re: Preschoolers forced to say sorry
Reply #67 - Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 8:17pm

Linus wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 8:15pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 8:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 8:05pm:

Linus wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 8:00pm:

If you read the article, the very first lines state:

"Families of preschool students say they are outraged after their children were asked to make "sorry" cards ..."

"Asked"?

Asked as in required BECAUSE IT WAS A PLANNED LESSON FFS!

Don’t any of you have kids to understand wtf goes on in pre schools and kindergartens?? The teacher ASKS her class what is REQUIRED. 😐

Hold your thunder, Greggery didn't quote me in full.

Ok .... I’ll hold my thunder lol.

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Re: Preschoolers forced to say sorry
Reply #68 - Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 8:19pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 8:17pm:

Linus wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 8:15pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 8:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 8:05pm:

Linus wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 8:00pm:

If you read the article, the very first lines state:

"Families of preschool students say they are outraged after their children were asked to make "sorry" cards ..."

"Asked"?

Asked as in required BECAUSE IT WAS A PLANNED LESSON FFS!

Don’t any of you have kids to understand wtf goes on in pre schools and kindergartens?? The teacher ASKS her class what is REQUIRED. 😐

Hold your thunder, Greggery didn't quote me in full.

Ok .... I’ll hold my thunder lol.

Now, don't explode.... Grin

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 136337 Gender:	Re: Preschoolers forced to say sorry Reply #69 - Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 8:34pm Linus wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 8:13pm: The point being made by the right whingers on this thread is that the kids were unfairly manipulated. Zero evidence of that. We have photos of cards, made by teachers - nothing more.
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Re: Preschoolers forced to say sorry
Reply #70 - Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 8:42pm

Linus wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 8:00pm:

If you read the article, the very first lines state:

"Families of preschool students say they are outraged after their children were asked to make "sorry" cards to First Nations people apologising for the actions of colonisers.
2GB listener Kim told Chris O'Keefe that her four-year-old twin grandchildren had participated in a lesson of painting cards apologising to First Nations people on National Sorry Day earlier this year at their preschool in Sydney's south.

One card read: "Sorry for hurting you. Sorry for hurting your land."

Looking at in one way, you could say it's a way to introduce young children to empathy, history, and social justice. While the children themselves may not have been responsible for historical injustices, the goal could be to help them understand the impacts of those actions and to develop a sense of responsibility towards creating a more just society.

However, it's obviously a highly sensitive area in society, and it may have been prudent to consult with parents beforehand.

I don't see any indication the kids were learning facts about history. It looks like gibberish to me. What they are being taught is a guilt trip. This is the sort of thing that should be left until high school history when they are mature enough to handle the facts. The people who push this would be up in arms if the kids learnt the same facts on a children's TV show.

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Re: Preschoolers forced to say sorry
Reply #71 - Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 8:51pm

Linus wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 8:00pm:

If you read the article, the very first lines state:

"Families of preschool students say they are outraged after their children were asked to make "sorry" cards to First Nations people apologising for the actions of colonisers.
2GB listener Kim told Chris O'Keefe that her four-year-old twin grandchildren had participated in a lesson of painting cards apologising to First Nations people on National Sorry Day earlier this year at their preschool in Sydney's south.

One card read: "Sorry for hurting you. Sorry for hurting your land."

Looking at in one way, you could say it's a way to introduce young children to empathy, history, and social justice. While the children themselves may not have been responsible for historical injustices, the goal could be to help them understand the impacts of those actions and to develop a sense of responsibility towards creating a more just society.

However, it's obviously a highly sensitive area in society, and it may have been prudent to consult with parents beforehand.

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All the moronic shibboleths to justify indoctrination.

Focus: PRESCHOOLERS.

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Re: Preschoolers forced to say sorry
Reply #72 - Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 9:17pm

Frank wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 8:51pm:

Linus wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 8:00pm:

If you read the article, the very first lines state:

"Families of preschool students say they are outraged after their children were asked to make "sorry" cards to First Nations people apologising for the actions of colonisers.
2GB listener Kim told Chris O'Keefe that her four-year-old twin grandchildren had participated in a lesson of painting cards apologising to First Nations people on National Sorry Day earlier this year at their preschool in Sydney's south.

One card read: "Sorry for hurting you. Sorry for hurting your land."

Looking at in one way, you could say it's a way to introduce young children to empathy, history, and social justice. While the children themselves may not have been responsible for historical injustices, the goal could be to help them understand the impacts of those actions and to develop a sense of responsibility towards creating a more just society.

However, it's obviously a highly sensitive area in society, and it may have been prudent to consult with parents beforehand.

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All the moronic shibboleths to justify indoctrination.

Focus: PRESCHOOLERS.

Drawing hearts on a card.

You poor little snowflake.

What click-bait will you be triggered by tomorrow?

I'm curious.

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 83698 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: Preschoolers forced to say sorry Reply #73 - Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 9:57pm So it's just drawing hearts now? What about WHY they were drawing hearts and such and being told they are apologising for their evil White ways... their unconscious racism and privilege... you know... As with the transgender insanity - LEAVE THE KIDS ALONE!
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Re: Preschoolers forced to say sorry
Reply #74 - Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 10:06pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 9:57pm:

So it's just drawing hearts now? What about WHY they were drawing hearts and such and being told they are apologising for their evil White ways... their unconscious racism and privilege... you know...

As with the transgender insanity - LEAVE THE KIDS ALONE!

Ohh shut up you fool. My God I've never met anyone who cries as much as you do. Do you really think preschoolers give a shit why their teachers got them to draw hearts?
You just can't help yourself can you? you have to make yourself a victim about absolutely EVERYTHING.

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