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Re: Preschoolers forced to say sorry
Reply #90 - Aug 24^th, 2023 at 8:22am

Aussie wrote on Aug 24^th, 2023 at 8:17am:

freediver wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 8:42pm:

Linus wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 8:00pm:

If you read the article, the very first lines state:

"Families of preschool students say they are outraged after their children were asked to make "sorry" cards to First Nations people apologising for the actions of colonisers.
2GB listener Kim told Chris O'Keefe that her four-year-old twin grandchildren had participated in a lesson of painting cards apologising to First Nations people on National Sorry Day earlier this year at their preschool in Sydney's south.

One card read: "Sorry for hurting you. Sorry for hurting your land."

Looking at in one way, you could say it's a way to introduce young children to empathy, history, and social justice. While the children themselves may not have been responsible for historical injustices, the goal could be to help them understand the impacts of those actions and to develop a sense of responsibility towards creating a more just society.

However, it's obviously a highly sensitive area in society, and it may have been prudent to consult with parents beforehand.

I don't see any indication the kids were learning facts about history. It looks like gibberish to me. What they are being taught is a guilt trip. This is the sort of thing that should be left until high school history when they are mature enough to handle the facts. The people who push this would be up in arms if the kids learnt the same facts on a children's TV show.

The only thing these kids 'learned' if anything was how to draw a crappy heart on a piece of paper. As you acknowledge, it is gibberish, as you would expect from four year olds.

What would you imagine accompanied the card drawing, kid pinner?

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Re: Preschoolers forced to say sorry
Reply #91 - Aug 24^th, 2023 at 8:27am

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 24^th, 2023 at 7:55am:

Gnads wrote on Aug 24^th, 2023 at 6:47am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 7:45pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 7:41pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 7:38pm:

These are toddlers who need help going to the toilet and who probably still wear Huggies pull up nappies. They’re vulnerable and innocent and naive. Yet here they are ... saying sorry for something they never did AND can’t possibly understand.

When did they say sorry?

And where is your proof?

Calm down for a minute and look at this click-bait story objectively.

Where is the evidence that any child was forced to do or say anything?

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Looks pretty much like the card starts with the word "Sorry" to me.

"Sorry for hurting the Dharawal people" is what it said.

Those words weren't written by the children - even Frank admits this.

As I've stated before, there's no proof that any child was made to do or say anything. None whatsoever.

The thread title is an outright lie.

The "news" article is click-bait designed to catch poorly educated people looking for something to be outraged about.

The thread title is not what's in question now is it?

Catching poorly educated people? Grin

How very presumptuous & priggish of you Peccar

You want to explain how education in the formative years works?

It was a planned lesson.... whether they wrote the words or not .... it would have had to be explained to them .... therefore it was being taught to them.

If early education means nothing as you, Aussie & Smith seem to be suggesting .... then why has it been a requirement in our system for so long?

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38518 Gender:	Re: Preschoolers forced to say sorry Reply #92 - Aug 24^th, 2023 at 8:29am Teacher: Here Gordon, draw a crappy heart on this. Gordon: Okay.....I'll try. Teacher: Have a lollypop. Gordon: Gee, thanks, gimme a crayon.
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Re: Preschoolers forced to say sorry
Reply #93 - Aug 24^th, 2023 at 8:30am

Gnads wrote on Aug 24^th, 2023 at 6:47am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 7:45pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 7:41pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 7:38pm:

These are toddlers who need help going to the toilet and who probably still wear Huggies pull up nappies. They’re vulnerable and innocent and naive. Yet here they are ... saying sorry for something they never did AND can’t possibly understand.

When did they say sorry?

And where is your proof?

Calm down for a minute and look at this click-bait story objectively.

Where is the evidence that any child was forced to do or say anything?

Over to you ...

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Looks pretty much like the card starts with the word "Sorry" to me.

The cards were blank pieces of paper when given to the children.

They drew the hearts on them first and then the teachers wrote the text after the children handed them back.

Again, the thread title is a complete & utter lie and the "news" article is nothing more than click-bait for morons.

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Re: Preschoolers forced to say sorry
Reply #94 - Aug 24^th, 2023 at 8:31am

Gnads wrote on Aug 24^th, 2023 at 7:00am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 10:06pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 9:57pm:

So it's just drawing hearts now? What about WHY they were drawing hearts and such and being told they are apologising for their evil White ways... their unconscious racism and privilege... you know...

As with the transgender insanity - LEAVE THE KIDS ALONE!

Ohh shut up you fool. My God I've never met anyone who cries as much as you do. Do you really think preschoolers give a shit why their teachers got them to draw hearts?
You just can't help yourself can you? you have to make yourself a victim about absolutely EVERYTHING.

Hey dypshit why do you send your children to school?

Just to get them out of your hair?

Even my 11 yr old can't remember what or why he drew when he was in pre school. You're just crying because you're a dumb bitch .

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Re: Preschoolers forced to say sorry
Reply #95 - Aug 24^th, 2023 at 8:31am

Aussie wrote on Aug 24^th, 2023 at 8:17am:

freediver wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 8:42pm:

Linus wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 8:00pm:

If you read the article, the very first lines state:

"Families of preschool students say they are outraged after their children were asked to make "sorry" cards to First Nations people apologising for the actions of colonisers.
2GB listener Kim told Chris O'Keefe that her four-year-old twin grandchildren had participated in a lesson of painting cards apologising to First Nations people on National Sorry Day earlier this year at their preschool in Sydney's south.

One card read: "Sorry for hurting you. Sorry for hurting your land."

Looking at in one way, you could say it's a way to introduce young children to empathy, history, and social justice. While the children themselves may not have been responsible for historical injustices, the goal could be to help them understand the impacts of those actions and to develop a sense of responsibility towards creating a more just society.

However, it's obviously a highly sensitive area in society, and it may have been prudent to consult with parents beforehand.

I don't see any indication the kids were learning facts about history. It looks like gibberish to me. What they are being taught is a guilt trip. This is the sort of thing that should be left until high school history when they are mature enough to handle the facts. The people who push this would be up in arms if the kids learnt the same facts on a children's TV show.

The only thing these kids 'learned' if anything was how to draw a crappy heart on a piece of paper. As you acknowledge, it is gibberish, as you would expect from four year olds.

How is " Sorry for hurting the Dharawal people" gibberish?

The heart is a symbol so neither is that gibberish.

The only gibberer here is you.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74217 Gender:	Re: Preschoolers forced to say sorry Reply #96 - Aug 24^th, 2023 at 8:32am Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 10:22pm: Then how did this story get out? The teacher told the parents of their good deed? you rang 2gb? Who else listens to that crap other than right wing nutjobs who cry over every little thing
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Re: Preschoolers forced to say sorry
Reply #97 - Aug 24^th, 2023 at 8:33am

Gnads wrote on Aug 24^th, 2023 at 8:27am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 24^th, 2023 at 7:55am:

Gnads wrote on Aug 24^th, 2023 at 6:47am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 7:45pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 7:41pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 7:38pm:

These are toddlers who need help going to the toilet and who probably still wear Huggies pull up nappies. They’re vulnerable and innocent and naive. Yet here they are ... saying sorry for something they never did AND can’t possibly understand.

When did they say sorry?

And where is your proof?

Calm down for a minute and look at this click-bait story objectively.

Where is the evidence that any child was forced to do or say anything?

Over to you ...

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Looks pretty much like the card starts with the word "Sorry" to me.

"Sorry for hurting the Dharawal people" is what it said.

Those words weren't written by the children - even Frank admits this.

As I've stated before, there's no proof that any child was made to do or say anything. None whatsoever.

The thread title is an outright lie.

The "news" article is click-bait designed to catch poorly educated people looking for something to be outraged about.

...

It was a planned lesson.... whether they wrote the words or not .... it would have had to be explained to them .... therefore it was being taught to them.

...

No need to explain something to them that they didn't even see.

The cards were blank pieces of paper when given to the children.

They drew the hearts on them first and then the teachers wrote the text after the children handed them back.

Again, the thread title is a complete & utter lie and the "news" article is nothing more than click-bait for morons (successful click-bait).

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35220 Gender:	Re: Preschoolers forced to say sorry Reply #98 - Aug 24^th, 2023 at 8:34am Oh my god the article in the OP is ridiculous! How on god's green earth does this pass for reporting? With a massive photo of "Just vote no" placards on top of the header? No need to wonder who it worked on. Behold!
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74217 Gender:	Re: Preschoolers forced to say sorry Reply #99 - Aug 24^th, 2023 at 8:34am greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 24^th, 2023 at 8:33am: nothing more than click-bait for morons whaddayaknow, it worked.
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Re: Preschoolers forced to say sorry
Reply #100 - Aug 24^th, 2023 at 8:35am

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 24^th, 2023 at 8:30am:

Gnads wrote on Aug 24^th, 2023 at 6:47am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 7:45pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 7:41pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 7:38pm:

These are toddlers who need help going to the toilet and who probably still wear Huggies pull up nappies. They’re vulnerable and innocent and naive. Yet here they are ... saying sorry for something they never did AND can’t possibly understand.

When did they say sorry?

And where is your proof?

Calm down for a minute and look at this click-bait story objectively.

Where is the evidence that any child was forced to do or say anything?

Over to you ...

Waiting ...

Looks pretty much like the card starts with the word "Sorry" to me.

The cards were blank pieces of paper when given to the children.

They drew the hearts on them first and then the teachers wrote the text after the children handed them back.

Again, the thread title is a complete & utter lie and the "news" article is nothing more than click-bait for morons.

For what purpose? It was a planned lesson.

Who was the teacher writing the apology to?

Who were the target audience?

I know who the morons are downplaying this indoctrination.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 136337 Gender:	Re: Preschoolers forced to say sorry Reply #101 - Aug 24^th, 2023 at 8:36am John Smith wrote on Aug 24^th, 2023 at 8:34am: greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 24^th, 2023 at 8:33am: nothing more than click-bait for morons whaddayaknow, it worked. Very successful indeed. And despite it being pointed out to the morons who fell for it, they still don't get it.
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Re: Preschoolers forced to say sorry
Reply #102 - Aug 24^th, 2023 at 8:37am

John Smith wrote on Aug 24^th, 2023 at 8:31am:

Gnads wrote on Aug 24^th, 2023 at 7:00am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 10:06pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 9:57pm:

So it's just drawing hearts now? What about WHY they were drawing hearts and such and being told they are apologising for their evil White ways... their unconscious racism and privilege... you know...

As with the transgender insanity - LEAVE THE KIDS ALONE!

Ohh shut up you fool. My God I've never met anyone who cries as much as you do. Do you really think preschoolers give a shit why their teachers got them to draw hearts?
You just can't help yourself can you? you have to make yourself a victim about absolutely EVERYTHING.

Hey dypshit why do you send your children to school?

Just to get them out of your hair?

Even my 11 yr old can't remember what or why he drew when he was in pre school. You're just crying because you're a dumb bitch .

Irrelevant you twat.

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Re: Preschoolers forced to say sorry
Reply #103 - Aug 24^th, 2023 at 8:40am

Gnads wrote on Aug 24^th, 2023 at 8:35am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 24^th, 2023 at 8:30am:

Gnads wrote on Aug 24^th, 2023 at 6:47am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 7:45pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 7:41pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 7:38pm:

These are toddlers who need help going to the toilet and who probably still wear Huggies pull up nappies. They’re vulnerable and innocent and naive. Yet here they are ... saying sorry for something they never did AND can’t possibly understand.

When did they say sorry?

And where is your proof?

Calm down for a minute and look at this click-bait story objectively.

Where is the evidence that any child was forced to do or say anything?

Over to you ...

Waiting ...

Looks pretty much like the card starts with the word "Sorry" to me.

The cards were blank pieces of paper when given to the children.

They drew the hearts on them first and then the teachers wrote the text after the children handed them back.

Again, the thread title is a complete & utter lie and the "news" article is nothing more than click-bait for morons.

For what purpose? It was a planned lesson.

Who was the teacher writing the apology to?

Who were the target audience?

I know who the morons are downplaying this indoctrination.

Meanwhile you lot are all busy telling your kids that Jesus died for their sins.

I'm sorry that Sorry Day triggers you, Gonads. But it's part of the national fabric now and you're just going to have to have to adjust.

I worry about your blood pressure.

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Re: Preschoolers forced to say sorry
Reply #104 - Aug 24^th, 2023 at 8:41am

Gnads wrote on Aug 24^th, 2023 at 8:37am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 24^th, 2023 at 8:31am:

Gnads wrote on Aug 24^th, 2023 at 7:00am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 10:06pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2023 at 9:57pm:

So it's just drawing hearts now? What about WHY they were drawing hearts and such and being told they are apologising for their evil White ways... their unconscious racism and privilege... you know...

As with the transgender insanity - LEAVE THE KIDS ALONE!

Ohh shut up you fool. My God I've never met anyone who cries as much as you do. Do you really think preschoolers give a shit why their teachers got them to draw hearts?
You just can't help yourself can you? you have to make yourself a victim about absolutely EVERYTHING.

Hey dypshit why do you send your children to school?

Just to get them out of your hair?

Even my 11 yr old can't remember what or why he drew when he was in pre school. You're just crying because you're a dumb bitch .

Irrelevant you twat.

yes, facts are always irrelevant to you.

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