Belgarion wrote on Sep 1
st, 2023 at 5:20pm:
Yes, Belgarion, I think I do.
https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/350524-antifa-activists-say-violenc... Quote:On Sunday, antifa protesters hurled glass bottles and bricks at police officers monitoring a far-right march in Portland, Ore.
Bricks and bottles? That's not very nice. Was it Antifa protesters or Nazis? It's a bit hard to say. Your article goes on to point out what Antifa are up against. It's a balanced piece.
Quote:“The way law enforcement has reacted to the protests far exceeds the amount of danger involved, particularly when we talk about violence at far-right protests — because there is a long and deep history of murderous violence coming out of the far-right movements that continues up to today that far exceeds anything associated with antifa,” said Mike German, a former FBI agent who works on law enforcement issues at the Brennan Center for Justice’s Liberty and National Security Program.
https://nypost.com/2021/06/07/finally-portland-antifa-is-being-brought-to-justic... Quote:Charges against 10 suspected Antifa were announced on Thursday alone, mostly for vandalism around Election Day and an Inauguration Day riot. Several more face federal charges.
Vandalism.
Suspected Antifa protesters. What makes the NY Post say they were members of Antifa?
https://nationalinterest.org/feature/black-lives-matter-movement-must-solve-its-... Quote:Moral deliberations point in the same direction. Violence is not merely a poor strategy, but it also raises major ethical concerns. The key moral value that the Black Lives Matter movement taps into is the sanctity of life. It is the recognition—reflected in the legal and moral codes of ancient and contemporary societies, above all in those of liberal democracies—that taking a life is a much more serious offense than most any other action
Nice bit of virtue signalling there, dear, but no charges, convictions or proof of anything.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/08/31/riots-violence-erupting-turnin... Quote:Violence erupted last week in Kenosha, Wisconsin.
Random violence, eh? That's not very nice. Too bad it's got nothing to do with BLM, eh?
https://www.newsweek.com/prosecutors-make-first-move-break-antifa-cell-11-activi... Quote:The Antifa-affiliated group surrounded several minors who they believed to be attending the Patriot March, sprayed them with mace and chased them up the boardwalk, shoving one of the minors to the ground. The minor was surrounded and beaten resulting in the minor victim being taken to the hospital to be treated for a concussion," the statement read.
Fair enough. Lock them up. Only, er, the Defendants are
alleged to be affiliated with Antifa. Half took plea deals, the rest are still in court, questioning the conspiracy element that supposedly ties random acts of violence with any organised movement. There is no evidence most of them are with "Antifa" at all, or connected, or coordinated, which highlights the legal perils of such prosecutions:
Quote:The stakes grow higher as the country moves into a new election cycle, said Stanislav Vysotsky, a professor of criminology and author of the book "American Antifa." A successful prosecution in San Diego could become a model for conservative prosecutors around the country, he said.
“It would give a really powerful tool of repression that could be used against not just anti-fascist activists but really any left-wing counterprotesters or left-wing protesters because you could just sort of slap them with a broad ‘Antifa’ label,” Vysotsky said. “It actually creates an ‘Antifa’ entity that doesn't exist to begin with.”
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/03/17/san-diego-antifa-trial-als...Therein lies your problem. The Proud Boys are ALL about violence, and
hundreds of them have been sentenced to years in jail for the Capitol riots alone.
Antifa are a counter-fascist movement and BLM is a peaceful civil organisation that has no violent agenda at all.
Thanks for your response and your links.
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