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Re: abos arent a race
Reply #90 - Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 3:43pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 3:38pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 3:30pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 3:26pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 3:22pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 3:21pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 3:18pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 3:11pm:

The Abbos are of the Indian race -

they even look like Indians.

The Indian 'race', eh?

Which Indians? Peoples of the Indian sub-continent are the most diverse people in the world in all senses of the word - hence Modi's obsession with Indian nationalism: building on the myth of one Indic people.

The Abbos are related to the Southern Indians - the really dark ones.

Southern Indians, eh! Which ones?

Who cares -
the fact remains -
the Abbos are basically Indians.

Certain DNA was inherited by certain peoples of the Indian subcontinent and by those who became Australian Aboriginals - they are both related to west-migrating hunter-gatherer sapiens over 60,000 years ago - not directly to each other.

The last glacial period began about 100,000 years ago and lasted until 25,000 years ago.
The sea levels were much lower.
At that time there was a land bridge from South East Asia all the way to Australia.
The Southern Indians migrated here along that route over 1,000s of years.
The interbred a little on the way.
They also evolved to survive the harsh, dry Australian conditions
but still - they are basically just primitive Indians who migrated here
about 60,000 years ago.
When we look at Abbos we can see what our ancestors looked like
60,000 years ago before we evolved into more complex beings capable
of modern civilisation - with buildings, cities and technology.

Aboriginal Australian DNA contains some DNA also located in the regions of Africa, India, Indonesia, Papua-New Guinea, the Philippines and Denisovan DNA.

If you are European, you will be likely more closely related to some peoples of the Indian subcontinent than Aboriginals.

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Re: abos arent a race
Reply #91 - Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 5:41pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 12:40pm:

Albosqueaky thinks Abos are a race. He's holding a referendum to prove it

Brian Ross doesn't think they are a race, he said all humans are the same, that there are no races ... yet he calls us racist if we talk about them. How can anyone be racist if there are no races?

It gets a little confusing at times

Have you ever heard Albanese speak of the Aboriginal race?

He uses the term 'the Aboriginal people', although even that is a misnomer. It presumes Aboriginals are one people which they're not.

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Re: abos arent a race
Reply #92 - Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 5:51pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 1:56pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 1:19pm:

I watched a video of someone who thought he was 'pure' Han Chinese - until he received his DNA analysis results. Turns out he was likely 10% Korean.

He was not happy! Or 不开心 .

Ah...so Han Chinese are racist.

The Han Chinese are blindingly ethno-chauvinistic.

You can see images of signs outside restaurants in China translating to 'No Black Permitted', and 'No Foreigners Permitted'.

It got so bad during the pandemic that Africans were being thrown out of their accommodation in Chinese cities, to the point where the Nigerian Ambassador publicly denounced the CCP for not putting an end to it.

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12106 Gender:	Re: abos arent a race Reply #93 - Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 5:56pm freediver wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 3:10pm: So you think the concept of race did not even exist prior to the discovery of DNA? But also that DNA 'debunked' the concept of race? DNA science debunked race theory as pseudoscience, like phrenology.
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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: abos arent a race Reply #94 - Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 6:08pm Ok back again to see how you all went today. Are we closer to any answer? Did we even cover the definition of race?
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Re: abos arent a race
Reply #95 - Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 6:13pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 1:34pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 1:26pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 1:19pm:

It has only been a few decades - with the mapping of the human genome - and the popularity of DNA ancestry, that the notion of race has been debunked as meaningless except as a reference to cultural/social/religious differences.

I watched a video of someone who thought he was 'pure' Han Chinese - until he received his DNA analysis results. Turns out he was likely 10% Korean.

He was not happy! Or 不开心 .

If DNA has debunked the existence of race, how is it possible to use DNA to identify a person's racial ancestry?

Also, did you know that there are significant amounts of human DNA that are only present in people originating from outside of Africa?

DNA analysis places ancestors geographically, not racially.

Fun fact:

"...A DNA test has come back to haunt Pauline Hanson after the results showed she had Middle Eastern heritage....

Her genetic make up was traced back to a multicultural background, including 9 percent Middle Eastern, 32 per cent Italian, Greek or Turkish and 59 per cent from northern Europe..."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3678167/Pauline-Hanson-slammed-DNA-test...

Meister is on the money.

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Re: abos arent a race
Reply #96 - Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 6:15pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 5:41pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 12:40pm:

Albosqueaky thinks Abos are a race. He's holding a referendum to prove it

Brian Ross doesn't think they are a race, he said all humans are the same, that there are no races ... yet he calls us racist if we talk about them. How can anyone be racist if there are no races?

It gets a little confusing at times

Have you ever heard Albanese speak of the Aboriginal race?

He uses the term 'the Aboriginal people', although even that is a misnomer. It presumes Aboriginals are one people which they're not.

Only an idiot thinks calling them aboriginal people means they are one people.

Does referring to European people as such mean Europeans are one people? Cheesy

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Re: abos arent a race
Reply #97 - Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 6:18pm

John Smith wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 6:15pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 5:41pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 12:40pm:

Albosqueaky thinks Abos are a race. He's holding a referendum to prove it

Brian Ross doesn't think they are a race, he said all humans are the same, that there are no races ... yet he calls us racist if we talk about them. How can anyone be racist if there are no races?

It gets a little confusing at times

Have you ever heard Albanese speak of the Aboriginal race?

He uses the term 'the Aboriginal people', although even that is a misnomer. It presumes Aboriginals are one people which they're not.

Only an idiot thinks calling them aboriginal people means they are one people.

Does referring to European people as such mean Europeans are one people? Cheesy

No one uses the term 'the European people'. Although they're often loosely referred to collectively as 'the Europeans'.

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Re: abos arent a race
Reply #98 - Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 6:19pm

Linus wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 6:13pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 1:34pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 1:26pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 1:19pm:

It has only been a few decades - with the mapping of the human genome - and the popularity of DNA ancestry, that the notion of race has been debunked as meaningless except as a reference to cultural/social/religious differences.

I watched a video of someone who thought he was 'pure' Han Chinese - until he received his DNA analysis results. Turns out he was likely 10% Korean.

He was not happy! Or 不开心 .

If DNA has debunked the existence of race, how is it possible to use DNA to identify a person's racial ancestry?

Also, did you know that there are significant amounts of human DNA that are only present in people originating from outside of Africa?

DNA analysis places ancestors geographically, not racially.

Fun fact:

"...A DNA test has come back to haunt Pauline Hanson after the results showed she had Middle Eastern heritage....

Her genetic make up was traced back to a multicultural background, including 9 percent Middle Eastern, 32 per cent Italian, Greek or Turkish and 59 per cent from northern Europe..."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3678167/Pauline-Hanson-slammed-DNA-test...

Meister is on the money.

Only a fool would trust those ancestry DNA sites. And only an even bigger fool would come online to post about the results of one such test. 😐

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Re: abos arent a race
Reply #99 - Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 6:21pm

Linus wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 6:13pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 1:34pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 1:26pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 1:19pm:

It has only been a few decades - with the mapping of the human genome - and the popularity of DNA ancestry, that the notion of race has been debunked as meaningless except as a reference to cultural/social/religious differences.

I watched a video of someone who thought he was 'pure' Han Chinese - until he received his DNA analysis results. Turns out he was likely 10% Korean.

He was not happy! Or 不开心 .

If DNA has debunked the existence of race, how is it possible to use DNA to identify a person's racial ancestry?

Also, did you know that there are significant amounts of human DNA that are only present in people originating from outside of Africa?

DNA analysis places ancestors geographically, not racially.

Fun fact:

"...A DNA test has come back to haunt Pauline Hanson after the results showed she had Middle Eastern heritage....

Her genetic make up was traced back to a multicultural background, including 9 percent Middle Eastern, 32 per cent Italian, Greek or Turkish and 59 per cent from northern Europe..."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3678167/Pauline-Hanson-slammed-DNA-test...

Meister is on the money.

Is she even directly related to her father, I wonder. Or was there a Nicaraguan in the woodpile next to her mother's shack back in 1953?

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Re: abos arent a race
Reply #100 - Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 6:23pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 6:18pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 6:15pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 5:41pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 12:40pm:

Albosqueaky thinks Abos are a race. He's holding a referendum to prove it

Brian Ross doesn't think they are a race, he said all humans are the same, that there are no races ... yet he calls us racist if we talk about them. How can anyone be racist if there are no races?

It gets a little confusing at times

Have you ever heard Albanese speak of the Aboriginal race?

He uses the term 'the Aboriginal people', although even that is a misnomer. It presumes Aboriginals are one people which they're not.

Only an idiot thinks calling them aboriginal people means they are one people.

Does referring to European people as such mean Europeans are one people? Cheesy

No one uses the term 'the European people'. Although they're often loosely referred to collectively as 'the Europeans'.

Sure they do. I've heard it many times from racists

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Re: abos arent a race
Reply #101 - Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 6:25pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 6:21pm:

Linus wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 6:13pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 1:34pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 1:26pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 1:19pm:

It has only been a few decades - with the mapping of the human genome - and the popularity of DNA ancestry, that the notion of race has been debunked as meaningless except as a reference to cultural/social/religious differences.

I watched a video of someone who thought he was 'pure' Han Chinese - until he received his DNA analysis results. Turns out he was likely 10% Korean.

He was not happy! Or 不开心 .

If DNA has debunked the existence of race, how is it possible to use DNA to identify a person's racial ancestry?

Also, did you know that there are significant amounts of human DNA that are only present in people originating from outside of Africa?

DNA analysis places ancestors geographically, not racially.

Fun fact:

"...A DNA test has come back to haunt Pauline Hanson after the results showed she had Middle Eastern heritage....

Her genetic make up was traced back to a multicultural background, including 9 percent Middle Eastern, 32 per cent Italian, Greek or Turkish and 59 per cent from northern Europe..."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3678167/Pauline-Hanson-slammed-DNA-test...

Meister is on the money.

Is she even directly related to her father, I wonder. Or was there a Nicaraguan in the woodpile next to her mother's shack back in 1953?

Whatever the case may be, whoever approaches her needs to be vaccinated against rabies.

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Re: abos arent a race
Reply #102 - Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 6:25pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 6:19pm:

Linus wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 6:13pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 1:34pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 1:26pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 1:19pm:

It has only been a few decades - with the mapping of the human genome - and the popularity of DNA ancestry, that the notion of race has been debunked as meaningless except as a reference to cultural/social/religious differences.

I watched a video of someone who thought he was 'pure' Han Chinese - until he received his DNA analysis results. Turns out he was likely 10% Korean.

He was not happy! Or 不开心 .

If DNA has debunked the existence of race, how is it possible to use DNA to identify a person's racial ancestry?

Also, did you know that there are significant amounts of human DNA that are only present in people originating from outside of Africa?

DNA analysis places ancestors geographically, not racially.

Fun fact:

"...A DNA test has come back to haunt Pauline Hanson after the results showed she had Middle Eastern heritage....

Her genetic make up was traced back to a multicultural background, including 9 percent Middle Eastern, 32 per cent Italian, Greek or Turkish and 59 per cent from northern Europe..."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3678167/Pauline-Hanson-slammed-DNA-test...

Meister is on the money.

Only a fool would trust those ancestry DNA sites. And only an even bigger fool would come online to post about the results of one such test. 😐

DNA databases have helped solve decades-old cold cases when relatives of the perpetrators submitted DNA samples to these companies that then matched DNA found at the crime scenes.

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Re: abos arent a race
Reply #103 - Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 6:28pm

John Smith wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 6:23pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 6:18pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 6:15pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 5:41pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 12:40pm:

Albosqueaky thinks Abos are a race. He's holding a referendum to prove it

Brian Ross doesn't think they are a race, he said all humans are the same, that there are no races ... yet he calls us racist if we talk about them. How can anyone be racist if there are no races?

It gets a little confusing at times

Have you ever heard Albanese speak of the Aboriginal race?

He uses the term 'the Aboriginal people', although even that is a misnomer. It presumes Aboriginals are one people which they're not.

Only an idiot thinks calling them aboriginal people means they are one people.

Does referring to European people as such mean Europeans are one people? Cheesy

No one uses the term 'the European people'. Although they're often loosely referred to collectively as 'the Europeans'.

Sure they do. I've heard it many times from racists

Yes, of course! Tell the English they're just like the French. Or the Italians they're the same as Austrians! Or the Greeks that they're the same as Turks.

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Re: abos arent a race
Reply #104 - Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 6:30pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 6:25pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 6:19pm:

Linus wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 6:13pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 1:34pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 1:26pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 1:19pm:

It has only been a few decades - with the mapping of the human genome - and the popularity of DNA ancestry, that the notion of race has been debunked as meaningless except as a reference to cultural/social/religious differences.

I watched a video of someone who thought he was 'pure' Han Chinese - until he received his DNA analysis results. Turns out he was likely 10% Korean.

He was not happy! Or 不开心 .

If DNA has debunked the existence of race, how is it possible to use DNA to identify a person's racial ancestry?

Also, did you know that there are significant amounts of human DNA that are only present in people originating from outside of Africa?

DNA analysis places ancestors geographically, not racially.

Fun fact:

"...A DNA test has come back to haunt Pauline Hanson after the results showed she had Middle Eastern heritage....

Her genetic make up was traced back to a multicultural background, including 9 percent Middle Eastern, 32 per cent Italian, Greek or Turkish and 59 per cent from northern Europe..."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3678167/Pauline-Hanson-slammed-DNA-test...

Meister is on the money.

Only a fool would trust those ancestry DNA sites. And only an even bigger fool would come online to post about the results of one such test. 😐

DNA databases have helped solve decades-old cold cases when relatives of the perpetrators submitted DNA samples to these companies that then matched DNA found at the crime scenes.

Does it upset you Lisa that you may be part Nigerian?

The point is that there is no biological validity to "race". It's a social construct. You seem to have difficulty in comprehending. Is that wilful or innate? Roll Eyes

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