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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 41108	Re: abos arent a race Reply #120 - Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 7:35pm JC Denton wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 7:31pm: the point of it is to upset you brian You have merely made it clear that you are a scientific ignoramus. Tsk, tsk, tsk...
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Reply #121 - Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 7:36pm

JC Denton wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 7:25pm:

there is no aboriginal race as aboriginals have chosen to define themselves extraracially

recognition and identification are the bedrock signifiers of aboriginality, not ancestry or shared phenotypic and genotypic markers

aboriginals are in effect post-racial, so making fun of them or excluding them definitionally cannot be racism

Creating the myth of race, and then categorising peoples by 'race' was a European explorer-nation project to justify superiority over and conquest of non-European peoples.

Aboriginal peoples define themselves as they always have: along tribal lines. Their territories, who they can breed with, who they can associate with and who they can shun are based on tribal affiliations not 'race'.

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Reply #122 - Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 7:40pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 7:36pm:

JC Denton wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 7:25pm:

there is no aboriginal race as aboriginals have chosen to define themselves extraracially

recognition and identification are the bedrock signifiers of aboriginality, not ancestry or shared phenotypic and genotypic markers

aboriginals are in effect post-racial, so making fun of them or excluding them definitionally cannot be racism

Creating the myth of race, and then categorising peoples by 'race' was a European explorer-nation project to justify superiority over and conquest of non-European peoples.

Aboriginal peoples define themselves as they always have: along tribal lines. Their territories, who they can breed with, who they can associate with and who they can shun are based on tribal affiliations not 'race'.

I wouldn’t mind a few links.

(I have asked a few times)

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Reply #123 - Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 7:41pm

JC Denton wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 7:21pm:

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There's more genetic diversity within a so-called racial group than between so-called racial groups.The concept of race is bygone bunk.

this is a moronic statement lol

it's like saying because there's more variance of height within the male and female genders then there is between them, therefore there is no average dimorphic size difference between men and women

and a lot of the time that isn't even true and that human races virtually universally differ on measured phenotypic traits, and that it isn't even a question of characteristic overlap

So you're afraid of being more like that Indigenous Australians you despise than your next door neighbour? Roll Eyes

Actually, you're statement is moronic, Denton. It completely glosses over the fact that phenotypic characteristics are a minute part of the genome and selection of some such traits to form races is arbitrary. The concept of race is no better than phrenology. They're both garbage.

Human beings, Homo sapiens, share 99.9% of their genes.

And my so-called moronic statement is part of the scientific consensus on the issue. i

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Reply #124 - Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 7:45pm

Frank wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 7:22pm:

So there is no need for an Aboriginal Voice.

They are no different.

Worse than 'no need', the project will be divisive among aboriginal peoples.

Were it to get up, how long will it be before many Aboriginal peoples claim the voice isn't representing them and only lines the pockets of urbanised self-declared part-Aboriginals?

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: abos arent a race Reply #125 - Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 7:50pm Frank wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 7:22pm: So there is no need for an Aboriginal Voice. They are no different. Actually....yes! 😳
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Reply #126 - Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 7:52pm

Prior to the myth of race, religion was the determining factor. To Europeans, the New World peoples were inferior as they were not Christian and therefore were not worthy of the rights that European Christians had.

The myth of race was more palatable by the late 18th and 19th centuries as it was posing as 'science of the enlightenment' and diverged from, by then, spurious religious claims of superiority.

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Reply #127 - Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 7:57pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 7:45pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 7:22pm:

So there is no need for an Aboriginal Voice.

They are no different.

Worse than 'no need', the project will be divisive among aboriginal peoples.

Were it to get up, how long will it be before many Aboriginal peoples claim the voice isn't representing them and only lines the pockets of urbanised self-declared part-Aboriginals?

Actually...yes!!!!

Yes!!!! That’s exactly what it HAS been doing!!

We’re fighting each other even now! Online and in our families.

We are seeing :

Aborigines vs Aborigines

Non Aborigines vs Non Aborigines

Aborigines vs Non Aborigines

Albo has been spruiking The Voice as Nation Building but it’s not! It’s Nation Destroying.

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Reply #128 - Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 8:02pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 7:40pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 7:36pm:

JC Denton wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 7:25pm:

there is no aboriginal race as aboriginals have chosen to define themselves extraracially

recognition and identification are the bedrock signifiers of aboriginality, not ancestry or shared phenotypic and genotypic markers

aboriginals are in effect post-racial, so making fun of them or excluding them definitionally cannot be racism

Creating the myth of race, and then categorising peoples by 'race' was a European explorer-nation project to justify superiority over and conquest of non-European peoples.

Aboriginal peoples define themselves as they always have: along tribal lines. Their territories, who they can breed with, who they can associate with and who they can shun are based on tribal affiliations not 'race'.

I wouldn’t mind a few links.

(I have asked a few times)

Google aboriginal skin groups.

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Reply #129 - Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 8:02pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 6:28pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 6:23pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 6:18pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 6:15pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 5:41pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 12:40pm:

Albosqueaky thinks Abos are a race. He's holding a referendum to prove it

Brian Ross doesn't think they are a race, he said all humans are the same, that there are no races ... yet he calls us racist if we talk about them. How can anyone be racist if there are no races?

It gets a little confusing at times

Have you ever heard Albanese speak of the Aboriginal race?

He uses the term 'the Aboriginal people', although even that is a misnomer. It presumes Aboriginals are one people which they're not.

Only an idiot thinks calling them aboriginal people means they are one people.

Does referring to European people as such mean Europeans are one people? Cheesy

No one uses the term 'the European people'. Although they're often loosely referred to collectively as 'the Europeans'.

Sure they do. I've heard it many times from racists

Yes, of course! Tell the English they're just like the French. Or the Italians they're the same as Austrians! Or the Greeks that they're the same as Turks.

Tell a racist Australian there's a difference and they'll look at you like you're nuts

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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #130 - Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 8:03pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 7:57pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 7:45pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 7:22pm:

So there is no need for an Aboriginal Voice.

They are no different.

Worse than 'no need', the project will be divisive among aboriginal peoples.

Were it to get up, how long will it be before many Aboriginal peoples claim the voice isn't representing them and only lines the pockets of urbanised self-declared part-Aboriginals?

Actually...yes!!!!

Yes!!!! That’s exactly what it HAS been doing!!

We’re fighting each other even now! Online and in our families.

We are seeing :

Aborigines vs Aborigines

Non Aborigines vs Non Aborigines

Aborigines vs Non Aborigines

Albo has been spruiking The Voice as Nation Building but it’s not! It’s Nation Destroying.

It follows the natural lines of human instinct: to categorise others as 'us' and 'them'.

To impose spurious division as fundamental to Australian society will not only fail to unite Aboriginal peoples, it will spawn more 'us' and 'them' discriminations - along religious, social and cultural lines.

The voice ethic could just as easily be coopted by protagonists of religious societal separation, for example.

Indian Khalistani separatists are a bad omen for the future in Australia and Canada.

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Reply #131 - Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 8:05pm

freediver wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 6:34pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 6:15pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 5:41pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 12:40pm:

Albosqueaky thinks Abos are a race. He's holding a referendum to prove it

Brian Ross doesn't think they are a race, he said all humans are the same, that there are no races ... yet he calls us racist if we talk about them. How can anyone be racist if there are no races?

It gets a little confusing at times

Have you ever heard Albanese speak of the Aboriginal race?

He uses the term 'the Aboriginal people', although even that is a misnomer. It presumes Aboriginals are one people which they're not.

Only an idiot thinks calling them aboriginal people means they are one people.

Does referring to European people as such mean Europeans are one people? Cheesy

Only an idiot thinks one voice can represent them.

You mean like the pm represents Australia?

I'll bet you've never been accused of being the sharpest tool in the shed Cheesy

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #132 - Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 8:09pm

John Smith wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 8:02pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 6:28pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 6:23pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 6:18pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 6:15pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 5:41pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 12:40pm:

Albosqueaky thinks Abos are a race. He's holding a referendum to prove it

Brian Ross doesn't think they are a race, he said all humans are the same, that there are no races ... yet he calls us racist if we talk about them. How can anyone be racist if there are no races?

It gets a little confusing at times

Have you ever heard Albanese speak of the Aboriginal race?

He uses the term 'the Aboriginal people', although even that is a misnomer. It presumes Aboriginals are one people which they're not.

Only an idiot thinks calling them aboriginal people means they are one people.

Does referring to European people as such mean Europeans are one people? Cheesy

No one uses the term 'the European people'. Although they're often loosely referred to collectively as 'the Europeans'.

Sure they do. I've heard it many times from racists

Yes, of course! Tell the English they're just like the French. Or the Italians they're the same as Austrians! Or the Greeks that they're the same as Turks.

Tell a racist Australian there's a difference and they'll look at you like you're nuts

Then they're not Europeans, they're only of European descent with their respective ancestral family's nationalism/patriotism forgotten or never known.

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Reply #133 - Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 8:18pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 8:03pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 7:57pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 7:45pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 7:22pm:

So there is no need for an Aboriginal Voice.

They are no different.

Worse than 'no need', the project will be divisive among aboriginal peoples.

Were it to get up, how long will it be before many Aboriginal peoples claim the voice isn't representing them and only lines the pockets of urbanised self-declared part-Aboriginals?

Actually...yes!!!!

Yes!!!! That’s exactly what it HAS been doing!!

We’re fighting each other even now! Online and in our families.

We are seeing :

Aborigines vs Aborigines

Non Aborigines vs Non Aborigines

Aborigines vs Non Aborigines

Albo has been spruiking The Voice as Nation Building but it’s not! It’s Nation Destroying.

It follows the natural lines of human instinct: to categorise others as 'us' and 'them'.

To impose spurious division as fundamental to Australian society will not only fail to unite Aboriginal peoples, it will spawn more 'us' and 'them' discriminations - along religious, social and cultural lines.

The voice ethic could just as easily be coopted by protagonists of religious societal separation, for example.

OMG I was thinking about that this afternoon as I was offline. I was watering the garden and getting everything ready for tomorrow’s bbq lunch when it occurred to me that the major players pushing/spruiking the agenda are the very ones who stand to gain a lot from it. These FEW loud voices will end up being the only ones which will be heard.

I guess what I’m trying to say is this : THE VOICE is really all about a small elite group of Aboriginal people being heard at the expense of the rest ie MOST Aboriginal people WILL BE SILENCED. Oh the irony! 😳

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Re: abos arent a race
Reply #134 - Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 8:18pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 8:09pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 8:02pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 6:28pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 6:23pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 6:18pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 6:15pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 5:41pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 12:40pm:

Albosqueaky thinks Abos are a race. He's holding a referendum to prove it

Brian Ross doesn't think they are a race, he said all humans are the same, that there are no races ... yet he calls us racist if we talk about them. How can anyone be racist if there are no races?

It gets a little confusing at times

Have you ever heard Albanese speak of the Aboriginal race?

He uses the term 'the Aboriginal people', although even that is a misnomer. It presumes Aboriginals are one people which they're not.

Only an idiot thinks calling them aboriginal people means they are one people.

Does referring to European people as such mean Europeans are one people? Cheesy

No one uses the term 'the European people'. Although they're often loosely referred to collectively as 'the Europeans'.

Sure they do. I've heard it many times from racists

Yes, of course! Tell the English they're just like the French. Or the Italians they're the same as Austrians! Or the Greeks that they're the same as Turks.

Tell a racist Australian there's a difference and they'll look at you like you're nuts

Then they're not Europeans, they're only of European descent with their respective ancestral family's nationalism/patriotism forgotten or never known.

I didn't say who called European people European people. Racism is a product of ignorance

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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