chimera wrote on Sep 5^th, 2023 at 7:58am:


Well - they certainly didn't just 'arrive' at Yamba and Lake Illawarra from Indonesia without touching down a hell of a lot along the way... as far as they could paddle during daylight hours..... and only on good days.... they didn't just sail majestically all the way to Yamba and Lake Illawarra and 'arrive' there.

Most of them obviously walked there long before any cruise ships set down and anchored.

'Whaling and gold' - well - HTF did they go whaling in a bark canoe?  Why would they and how would they catch a whale? And why would they spend all day digging gold out of the ground when they needed to find lunch?  Go for an Illawarra Sleigh Ride in a bark canoe or cutout log canoe?  HTF would they even get a whale ashore for cutting up IF they could ever survive trying to catch one?

The Gold Coast isn't made of gold..... the Golden Highway isn't paved with gold... more like an accidental similarity of word usage while describing something else..... Barry Goldwater - everyone knows water isn't gold.... the sun shining on water at sunset isn't gold....

I hate to speak ill o' Warra - but that's the simple truth.

freediver wrote on Sep 5^th, 2023 at 8:39am:


These ... errr.. gold traders.... were they Aborigines?  How long ago was gold trade started?

Subsistence whalers.... I'd say sub-subsistence... what boats do thyey use?  Still use 'bamboo spears'?

How much Aboriginal DNA is Chinese then?

This gets better by the utterance.... every time a new fantastic scientific discovery is pointed out... metallurgy now and the uncanny ability to drag a whale in with a small canoe..... the Abos did it .... every time a claim is made to unbroken chain of lebensraum for 60,000 years and climbing (during which they never worked out how to lash a stone to a stick, but they discovered metallurgy), it is broken..!!

I'm looking at a 50' boot down Sydney way when I am recovered - what was that new name for the joint now? .... and I can assure you that pending weather conditions and such, it will be one day at a time to home base and largely on motor until the electric winches (or a crew of wenches) are installed .... maybe some light sails .... I doubt any bark canoe or such made it in one run from Indonesia to Lake Illawarra.... just.... floated in one day..... awwww, look!  That just floated in from somewhere... let's ask 'em where they're from... then spear 'em, ey?

'Modern calculation determined that the average jong ship used by Majapahit, Indonesia, would be about 72.55 m in deck length, carrying 600–700 men, with 1200–1400 tons deadweight and a displacement of 3333–3889 tons. The largest ones, carrying 1000 men, would be about 80.51 m in deck length, with a deadweight of 2000 tons and a displacement of 5556 tons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Djong_(ship)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-26/nt-aboriginal-rock-art-of-ancient-wurrama...

JC Denton wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2023 at 12:09pm:


It is hoped that recognition wil improve SELF-respect among blacks. 

But the activists want to resurrect a dead culture.

Quote:


Unlike you, many people want to close the gap; at this stage most people are still (blindly) looking to cultural narratives to close the gap, but only systemic economic change can close the gap. That's the penny which will eventually have to drop, among the nation's economic advisors.

Boris wrote on Sep 5^th, 2023 at 10:40am:

A darker side to this Dutch inheritance is that a couple of genetc disorders (originating from the Netherlands) are still present outside the Netherlands among some Afrikaans people in South Africa, some Amish communities in the US and some Aboriginal peoples of midwest coastal Western Australia.

Another likely genetic transfer into Aboriginal peoples (other than via British settlers) is via Afghani people who migrated to Australia to run camel transportation across the continent, particularly in South Australia and, what is now, the Northern Territory.

JC Denton wrote on Sep 5^th, 2023 at 11:46am:


Stepping over all of your nasty little nazi crap. who are you quoting there?

What idiot said that a yes vote "would improve self respect amongst Blacks"?

No one should really be surprised that European DNA entered western coastal Aboriginal communities from the 17th to 18th centuries.

The Dutch well knew of the Western Australian coastline, (and had named it, and whatever lay to the east of it, New Holland).

They also knew to be wary of the coast as it was well protected by ship-wrecking reefs.

Not all wrecks found in WA waters have been named, as details of them have been lost to history - probably because in those ships no survivors reached Batavia in Indonesia.