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Reply #315 - Sep 5^th, 2023 at 1:47pm

JC Denton wrote on Sep 5^th, 2023 at 1:44pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 5^th, 2023 at 1:42pm:

JC Denton wrote on Sep 5^th, 2023 at 1:35pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 5^th, 2023 at 1:33pm:

JC Denton wrote on Sep 5^th, 2023 at 1:28pm:

replying to mothra and greatdivide is a waste of time

I kicked your arse. You had nothing. Nothing.

you didnt lol

your argument consisted of repeating the notion that supply and demand magically do not apply to australia's rental market

pumping in hundreds of thousands of migrants without regard to the pace of available rental supply will necessarily put upward pressure on prices

YOU F KING IDIOT

THAT IS GOING TO UNDENIABLY SO

how the f_ck is anyone supposed to address something so backwards ass ignorant and moronic

Is that what you got from what i said?

Poor little nazi. So oblivious.

Did you think what might have been different over the last few years that may have effected the housing market? I did give you a few clies. I was even quite bold about it.

Any land? No?

immigration is higher now than it has been in f_cking forever

rental prices stalled during covid but climbed a bit after work from home drove an increased demand for larger dwellings

then they absolutely exploded after covid when albanese started bringing in migrants to an unprecedented degree

it wouldnt be possible for you to be a more frustrating f_cktard if you tried

Rental process stalled through Covid?

You have absolutely no odea what you're talking about. It's just a sequence of lies.

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Reply #316 - Sep 5^th, 2023 at 1:47pm

mothra wrote on Sep 5^th, 2023 at 1:45pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 5^th, 2023 at 1:36pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 5^th, 2023 at 12:41pm:

JC Denton wrote on Sep 5^th, 2023 at 12:38pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 5^th, 2023 at 12:34pm:

JC Denton wrote on Sep 5^th, 2023 at 12:27pm:

it's migrants you moron, the laws of supply and demand don't magically don't apply to australia's land and rental market

you bring in more people than there is available supply and supply falls out of equilibrium with the introduced demand

holy sh1t how stupid are you

I think you'll find that minds far greater than yours have factored migrants in to the supply and demand for housing and have done successfully for many decades.

What happened is COVID hit. People moved back to their rental properties from overseas and interstate and kicked their tenants out. There was a sudden and unforeseen demand for property so more and more investment owners bought and sold ... taking advantage of low interest rates, threatening ever to rise.

How can you not know know this? Why do you not know this? Why aren't you properly educated on your special interest?

lmao what an unbelievable cop out

these "greater minds" go out of their way to sidestep the obvious fact that the government is bringing in a lot of migrants and that is swallowing the available land supply, they simply deflect the issue by trying to make it entirely a matter of supply and only ever propose supply-side solutions, while pretending that demand pressure doesn't exist

you don't even understand rudimentary economics 101 concepts, why is it even worth replying to you

I just refuted that.

Are you challenged? Scrap that. You're a nazi. Of course you are.

Migrants are well factored into supply and demand. Has been for decades.

Now, if you concentrate, can you think of something extraordinary that happened in the last few years?

Annual dwelling constructions per year since 2003 = approx 40 to 60 thousand dwellings
https://www.housingdata.gov.au/visualisation/housing-market/building-activity-dw...

Australia's natural population growth (excluding migration) is around 30-40 thousand per annum
https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/population/national-state-and-territory...

Annual net migration
2007 to 2020 average net gain of 226,000 per year - more temporary migration
2020-21 net loss of 85,000 due to impact of COVID-19 pandemic
2021-22 resumption of positive net migration - a net gain of 171,000 people recorded
https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/population/overseas-migration/latest-re...

I', sorry fruitbat, but are you suggesting that we need to build a new house for every person born in Australia?

I mean, just going off what you are trying to pass off as relevance in your first two lonks.

Haven't got to the thirs one yet but i expect it's crap.

lmao holy sh1t i love how you couldnt even figure out the significance of the statistics soren posted to the conversation

yet you sitll insistently continue to weigh in on here like you know what you're talking about

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Reply #317 - Sep 5^th, 2023 at 1:51pm

mothra wrote on Sep 5^th, 2023 at 1:47pm:

JC Denton wrote on Sep 5^th, 2023 at 1:44pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 5^th, 2023 at 1:42pm:

JC Denton wrote on Sep 5^th, 2023 at 1:35pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 5^th, 2023 at 1:33pm:

JC Denton wrote on Sep 5^th, 2023 at 1:28pm:

replying to mothra and greatdivide is a waste of time

I kicked your arse. You had nothing. Nothing.

you didnt lol

your argument consisted of repeating the notion that supply and demand magically do not apply to australia's rental market

pumping in hundreds of thousands of migrants without regard to the pace of available rental supply will necessarily put upward pressure on prices

YOU F KING IDIOT

THAT IS GOING TO UNDENIABLY SO

how the f_ck is anyone supposed to address something so backwards ass ignorant and moronic

Is that what you got from what i said?

Poor little nazi. So oblivious.

Did you think what might have been different over the last few years that may have effected the housing market? I did give you a few clies. I was even quite bold about it.

Any land? No?

immigration is higher now than it has been in f_cking forever

rental prices stalled during covid but climbed a bit after work from home drove an increased demand for larger dwellings

then they absolutely exploded after covid when albanese started bringing in migrants to an unprecedented degree

it wouldnt be possible for you to be a more frustrating f_cktard if you tried

Rental process stalled through Covid?

You have absolutely no odea what you're talking about. It's just a sequence of lies.

https://www.rba.gov.au/publications/bulletin/2020/sep/the-rental-market-and-covi...

The COVID-19 pandemic is an unprecedented shock to the rental housing market, reducing demand for rental properties at the same time as supply has increased. Households most affected by the economic impact are more likely to be renters, and border closures have reduced international arrivals. The number of vacant rental properties has increased as new dwellings have been completed and some landlords have offered short-term rentals on the long-term market, particularly in inner Sydney and Melbourne. Government policies have supported renters and landlords. Rents have declined, partly because of discounts on existing rental agreements and it is likely that rent growth in many areas will remain subdued over coming years.

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Reply #318 - Sep 5^th, 2023 at 1:54pm

“Australia’s average household size has been shrinking dramatically,” said Colleen Peterson, the chief executive of planning consultancy Ratio.

“We were having fewer children and were delaying the age at which we have those children and we’re living longer. So all those things add up to fewer larger families and older families of one to two are living much longer. We’ve been on that trend for 20, maybe 30 years.”
Of course, migration is playing a role. The federal government’s National Housing Finance and Investment Corporation in March predicted that a slump in new housing construction and growth in migration would widen the shortfall of homes to 106,300 by 2027 from 62,900 last year.

Last month, the agency said the deficit could deepen as a result of bigger-than-expected predictions of migrants.

“We estimate a gap of about 106,000 is going to emerge over the next five years, but ... if we do get net overseas migration in the realm of 650,000 over this year and next year, we could see this gap grow to about 175,000,” NHFIC head of research Hugh Hartigan said.

“So if anything, our numbers are an underestimate.”
https://www.afr.com/property/residential/the-reasons-for-the-housing-crisis-go-w...

Mothra's 'far greater minds' at work, significantly underestimating migrant numbers.

Migration is a significant factor in the housing shortage. Not the only one, of course, but it is significant and migrant arrivals are consistently UNDERestimated by those 'great minds'.

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Reply #319 - Sep 5^th, 2023 at 1:54pm

JC Denton wrote on Sep 5^th, 2023 at 1:51pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 5^th, 2023 at 1:47pm:

JC Denton wrote on Sep 5^th, 2023 at 1:44pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 5^th, 2023 at 1:42pm:

JC Denton wrote on Sep 5^th, 2023 at 1:35pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 5^th, 2023 at 1:33pm:

JC Denton wrote on Sep 5^th, 2023 at 1:28pm:

replying to mothra and greatdivide is a waste of time

I kicked your arse. You had nothing. Nothing.

you didnt lol

your argument consisted of repeating the notion that supply and demand magically do not apply to australia's rental market

pumping in hundreds of thousands of migrants without regard to the pace of available rental supply will necessarily put upward pressure on prices

YOU F KING IDIOT

THAT IS GOING TO UNDENIABLY SO

how the f_ck is anyone supposed to address something so backwards ass ignorant and moronic

Is that what you got from what i said?

Poor little nazi. So oblivious.

Did you think what might have been different over the last few years that may have effected the housing market? I did give you a few clies. I was even quite bold about it.

Any land? No?

immigration is higher now than it has been in f_cking forever

rental prices stalled during covid but climbed a bit after work from home drove an increased demand for larger dwellings

then they absolutely exploded after covid when albanese started bringing in migrants to an unprecedented degree

it wouldnt be possible for you to be a more frustrating f_cktard if you tried

Rental process stalled through Covid?

You have absolutely no odea what you're talking about. It's just a sequence of lies.

https://www.rba.gov.au/publications/bulletin/2020/sep/the-rental-market-and-covi...

The COVID-19 pandemic is an unprecedented shock to the rental housing market, reducing demand for rental properties at the same time as supply has increased. Households most affected by the economic impact are more likely to be renters, and border closures have reduced international arrivals. The number of vacant rental properties has increased as new dwellings have been completed and some landlords have offered short-term rentals on the long-term market, particularly in inner Sydney and Melbourne. Government policies have supported renters and landlords. Rents have declined, partly because of discounts on existing rental agreements and it is likely that rent growth in many areas will remain subdued over coming years.

What are these absolute and demonstrably so lies?

Rental vacancy increased? Rental prices decreased?

What a load of utter horseshit.

What is hilarious about this bunch of crap is that is repudiated the nazis arguments. Hilariously.

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Reply #320 - Sep 5^th, 2023 at 1:59pm

Frank wrote on Sep 5^th, 2023 at 1:54pm:

“Australia’s average household size has been shrinking dramatically,” said Colleen Peterson, the chief executive of planning consultancy Ratio.

“We were having fewer children and were delaying the age at which we have those children and we’re living longer. So all those things add up to fewer larger families and older families of one to two are living much longer. We’ve been on that trend for 20, maybe 30 years.”
Of course, migration is playing a role. The federal government’s National Housing Finance and Investment Corporation in March predicted that a slump in new housing construction and growth in migration would widen the shortfall of homes to 106,300 by 2027 from 62,900 last year.

Last month, the agency said the deficit could deepen as a result of bigger-than-expected predictions of migrants.

“We estimate a gap of about 106,000 is going to emerge over the next five years, but ... if we do get net overseas migration in the realm of 650,000 over this year and next year, we could see this gap grow to about 175,000,” NHFIC head of research Hugh Hartigan said.

“So if anything, our numbers are an underestimate.”
https://www.afr.com/property/residential/the-reasons-for-the-housing-crisis-go-w...

Mothra's 'far greater minds' at work, significantly underestimating migrant numbers.

Migration is a significant factor in the housing shortage. Not the only one, of course, but it is significant and migrant arrivals are consistently UNDERestimated by those 'great minds'.

Poor fruitbat. Destined to have a tinted person wipe his arse in the nursing home. Actually, he;d probably quite like that.

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Reply #322 - Sep 5^th, 2023 at 2:21pm

Frank wrote on Sep 5^th, 2023 at 2:14pm:

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Poor fruitbat. Destined to have a tinted person wipe his arse in the nursing home. Actually, he;d probably quite like that.

What? Numbers are too hard for you, luv? Give you 'eadache? Cry

Gather up your scattered scanties, mad bloody frightbat, and do as uncle Billy tells ya:

https://media.tenor.com/fTYuWJu4MbcAAAAM/bugger-off-billy-connolly.gif

No i get the numbers. So do you. And that freaks you out.

An i'm delighted.

But if you, like the little nazi in your image think the housing crisis is because of immigration then there is seriously no hope for you.

Investment properties, Air BnB, returning home owners from the pandemic, boomers, and most importantly owner's taking advantage of the well favoured seller's market are the driving forces behind the housing crisis. And of course decades of mismanagement with public housing.

But sure, nazis unite in blaming immigrants!

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Reply #323 - Sep 5^th, 2023 at 2:27pm

you're absolutely hopeless mothra

trying to argue that we're suggesting that housing issues in australia are unifactorial, we're just also acknowledging that very obviously migration has a clear role in the matter

which it undeniably does

it is not THE ONLY factor that matters, but it is important

all you do is persistently regurgitate reality denying tropes and bullsh1t so you can avoid having to state very obvious things

it must be crazy to live in the anti-reality headspace that you currently occupy

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Reply #324 - Sep 5^th, 2023 at 3:08pm

Some evidence that certain midwest coast Western Australian Aboriginals did develop a culture of sedentism - the practice of living in one place for a long time - and agriculture.

In the mid-19th century, British settlers noted that in these areas, fields of yams (a Dutch mariner's staple diet) grew "as far as the eye could see".

It's probable that Dutch marooned mariners, who had been given rations to survive their marooning, had planted them and ultimately taught local Aboriginal peoples how to grow and farm them.

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Reply #325 - Sep 5^th, 2023 at 3:12pm

mothra wrote on Sep 5^th, 2023 at 1:59pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 5^th, 2023 at 1:54pm:

“Australia’s average household size has been shrinking dramatically,” said Colleen Peterson, the chief executive of planning consultancy Ratio.

“We were having fewer children and were delaying the age at which we have those children and we’re living longer. So all those things add up to fewer larger families and older families of one to two are living much longer. We’ve been on that trend for 20, maybe 30 years.”
Of course, migration is playing a role. The federal government’s National Housing Finance and Investment Corporation in March predicted that a slump in new housing construction and growth in migration would widen the shortfall of homes to 106,300 by 2027 from 62,900 last year.

Last month, the agency said the deficit could deepen as a result of bigger-than-expected predictions of migrants.

“We estimate a gap of about 106,000 is going to emerge over the next five years, but ... if we do get net overseas migration in the realm of 650,000 over this year and next year, we could see this gap grow to about 175,000,” NHFIC head of research Hugh Hartigan said.

“So if anything, our numbers are an underestimate.”
https://www.afr.com/property/residential/the-reasons-for-the-housing-crisis-go-w...

Mothra's 'far greater minds' at work, significantly underestimating migrant numbers.

Migration is a significant factor in the housing shortage. Not the only one, of course, but it is significant and migrant arrivals are consistently UNDERestimated by those 'great minds'.

Poor fruitbat. Destined to have a tinted person wipe his arse in the nursing home. Actually, he;d probably quite like that.

You can always expect it to get a bit weird when Mothra turns up.

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Reply #327 - Sep 5^th, 2023 at 3:25pm

mothra wrote on Sep 5^th, 2023 at 2:21pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 5^th, 2023 at 2:14pm:

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Poor fruitbat. Destined to have a tinted person wipe his arse in the nursing home. Actually, he;d probably quite like that.

What? Numbers are too hard for you, luv? Give you 'eadache? Cry

Gather up your scattered scanties, mad bloody frightbat, and do as uncle Billy tells ya:

https://media.tenor.com/fTYuWJu4MbcAAAAM/bugger-off-billy-connolly.gif

No i get the numbers. So do you. And that freaks you out.

An i'm delighted.

But if you, like the little nazi in your image think the housing crisis is because of immigration then there is seriously no hope for you.

Investment properties, Air BnB, returning home owners from the pandemic, boomers, and most importantly owner's taking advantage of the well favoured seller's market are the driving forces behind the housing crisis. And of course decades of mismanagement with public housing.

But sure, nazis unite in blaming immigrants!

So what happened to those all-seeing, all-knowing 'greater minds' and their predictions and planning, thick-as-john-smith(at least)?

You dont get the numbers at all. I think immigration numbers are far too high, havd been for a very long time, at least for the last 2530 years and I would think that even if they were all British and Scandinavian.

And the blamed is on governments that import them in such huge numbers, baffled-but-frothing little hysteric.

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Reply #328 - Sep 5^th, 2023 at 3:27pm

mothra wrote on Sep 5^th, 2023 at 2:21pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 5^th, 2023 at 2:14pm:

Quote:

Poor fruitbat. Destined to have a tinted person wipe his arse in the nursing home. Actually, he;d probably quite like that.

What? Numbers are too hard for you, luv? Give you 'eadache? Cry

Gather up your scattered scanties, mad bloody frightbat, and do as uncle Billy tells ya:

https://media.tenor.com/fTYuWJu4MbcAAAAM/bugger-off-billy-connolly.gif

No i get the numbers. So do you. And that freaks you out.

An i'm delighted.

But if you, like the little nazi in your image think the housing crisis is because of immigration then there is seriously no hope for you.

Investment properties, Air BnB, returning home owners from the pandemic, boomers, and most importantly owner's taking advantage of the well favoured seller's market are the driving forces behind the housing crisis. And of course decades of mismanagement with public housing.

But sure, nazis unite in blaming immigrants!

So what happened to those all-seeing, all-knowing 'greater minds' and their predictions and planning, thick-as-john-smith(at least)?

You dont get the numbers at all. I think immigration numbers are far too high, havd been for a very long time, at least for the last 2530 years and I would think that even if they were all British and Scandinavian.

And the blamed is on governments that import them in such huge numbers, baffled-but-frothing little hysteric.

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Reply #329 - Sep 5^th, 2023 at 4:20pm

JC Denton wrote on Sep 5^th, 2023 at 1:44pm:

rental prices stalled during covid but climbed a bit after work from home drove an increased demand for larger dwellings

Rental prices stalled briefly when covid first hit because there was no one to take up all the usual holiday homes or student accommodation due to the lock downs. But that was short lived, as soon as people started to move again rentals started going through the roof again, long before the borders were ever opened up.

Funny how your sources information is only up to the start of the pandemic

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