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Re: abos arent a race
Reply #30 - Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 1:00pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 12:56pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 12:52pm:

"Race" is a concept created by Racists to justicy their denigration of humans on the basis of physical differences between people. There is more difference within most "Racial" groups than there is between the groups. "Race" is based upon usually melanin/facial differences/hair differences/etc., rather than genetic differences. The use of the term "sub-species" is a complete misnomer used by "Racists" to try to justify their "Racism", all humans have no difficulties interbreeding amongst themselves, "sub-species" point to major genetic differences. It is time they woke up and smelled the truth of Genetics and what it implies for humanity. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Sub-species is used to define groups that were split and isolated from others such that their DNA markers differ significantly from each other but not enough to prevent interbreeding that produces fertile offspring.

1. Still no links yet.

2. Lots and lots of words though (professing to be definitions).

Just an observation.

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Reply #31 - Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 1:04pm

lets go back to the original subject

if these people are aboriginal

and many others like them who i don't think have any 'aborignal' ancestry whatsoever

then aboriginality is something that is defined without regard to racial (all that it entails) characteristics

therefore, by their own definition, aboriginals are a non-racial population

so how can bashing aboriginals be racist if aboriginals arent actually a race?

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Re: abos arent a race
Reply #32 - Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 1:08pm

Here is a question: What is your motivation behind this thread? Is it to denigrate people because of their claims to be Indigenous or is it just to stir things amongst people because it gives you pleasure to do so?

I suspect it is the latter rather than the former. You don't care how scientifically wrong you are. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: abos arent a race
Reply #33 - Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 1:10pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 12:52pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 12:40pm:

Albosqueaky thinks Abos are a race. He's holding a referendum to prove it

Brian Ross doesn't think they are a race, he said all humans are the same, that there are no races ... yet he calls us racist if we talk about them. How can anyone be racist if there are no races?

It gets a little confusing at times

Oh I know. I’m getting there.

Very soon you’ll find that those advocating for YES will finally wake up to the ruse of a vile Labor Party Prime Minister who is pretending to be a caring working class man who values the environment and Aborigines. Albo is a fraud! The sooner we ALL wake up to this the better. The guy is the exact opposite of what he claims. Many left wingers who voted him
in are ever so slowly waking up to this.

Has anyone heard the blooming fool talk about The Voice as being about nation building? It’s not! It’s the exact opposite! It’s nation destroying! We’re fighting each other. Aborigines are fighting Aborigines. Non Aborigines are fighting non Aborigines.

Does anyone remember the blatant lies he’s told wrt to his pro environment policies which would help Australia make a stand against Liberal Party policy? Take a look at the coal mines Labor is approving left right and centre AND Labor has pushed to override previous legislation so as to allow the biggest polluters of the current globe to bury their nuclear waste in Australia. And the regions Albo has offered up are close to waterways.

My apologies to all for going off topic but you know.... I’m farkkkkimg angry at how dumb Australia is. What has happened to make so many Australians seriously naive, gullible and stupid??

Ok we’re all going round in circles again. The same circles even. Let’s get back to the discussion. It IS a remarkable discussion...yes?

In the interests of allowing everyone to follow this topic perhaps we could ALL attempt to contribute something which will allow us all to UNDERSTAND each other’s viewpoints and not necessarily agree with what we individually think.

We all agree that humans are a race. Yes?

If so then perhaps that’s a good starting point.

Did we all descended from the same original parents?

Do we know the answer to such a question?

Is it possible to know the answer to such a question?

(I’m hoping that we’ll eventually get to Aborigines in Australia ... but we need to go back first in order to understand if it’s even possible to move forward in this topic).

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 12202 Gender:	Re: abos arent a race Reply #34 - Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 1:11pm To claim to be 'Aboriginal' (or from any group) by ancestry, where that one ancestor is 2 or 3 times removed, is a statement of socio-cultural affinity, not a reference to exact DNA alignment with full-blood aboriginal DNA.
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Reply #35 - Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 1:15pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 1:11pm:

To claim to be 'Aboriginal' (or from any group) by ancestry, where that one ancestor is 2 or 3 times removed, is a statement of socio-cultural affinity, not a reference to exact DNA alignment with full-blood aboriginal DNA.

but sometimes they have absolutely no aboriginal ancestors at all

you can still be recognised as aboriginal with no ancestry, as long as you receive community recognition etc

so aboriginals are definitionally not really a race at all anymore, but some sort of social club

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Reply #36 - Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 1:17pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 1:11pm:

To claim to be 'Aboriginal' (or from any group) by ancestry, where that one ancestor is 2 or 3 times removed, is a statement of socio-cultural affinity, not a reference to exact DNA alignment with full-blood aboriginal DNA.

👆That is starting to sound like I can choose to identify as Aboriginal in the same way I can choose to identify as male or female.

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JC Denton Gold Member Offline Posts: 5470 Gender:	Re: abos arent a race Reply #37 - Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 1:18pm how can you be racist against a social club? would saying RSL members are sh i t be racist?
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Re: abos arent a race
Reply #38 - Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 1:19pm

It has only been a few decades - with the mapping of the human genome - and the popularity of DNA ancestry, that the notion of race has been debunked as meaningless except as a reference to cultural/social/religious differences.

I watched a video of someone who thought he was 'pure' Han Chinese - until he received his DNA analysis results. Turns out he was likely 10% Korean.

He was not happy! Or 不开心 .

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Re: abos arent a race
Reply #39 - Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 1:19pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 1:19pm:

It has only been a few decades - with the mapping of the human genome - and the popularity of DNA ancestry, that the notion of race has been debunked as meaningless except as a reference to cultural/social/religious differences.

I watched a video of someone who thought he was 'pure' Han Chinese - until he received his DNA analysis results. Turns out he was likely 10% Korean.

He was not happy! Or 不开心 .

this is stupid brah

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Re: abos arent a race
Reply #40 - Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 1:21pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 1:17pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 1:11pm:

To claim to be 'Aboriginal' (or from any group) by ancestry, where that one ancestor is 2 or 3 times removed, is a statement of socio-cultural affinity, not a reference to exact DNA alignment with full-blood aboriginal DNA.

👆That is starting to sound like I can choose to identify as Aboriginal in the same way I can choose to identify as male or female.

Not quite. Having a social-cultural affinity with aboriginality doesn't require the removal of genitals.

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Re: abos arent a race
Reply #41 - Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 1:23pm

JC Denton wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 1:19pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 1:19pm:

It has only been a few decades - with the mapping of the human genome - and the popularity of DNA ancestry, that the notion of race has been debunked as meaningless except as a reference to cultural/social/religious differences.

I watched a video of someone who thought he was 'pure' Han Chinese - until he received his DNA analysis results. Turns out he was likely 10% Korean.

He was not happy! Or 不开心 .

this is stupid brah

Prior to DNA analysis, the only markers, which formed the spine of race theory, were physical features.

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 103535 Melbourne Gender:	Re: abos arent a race Reply #42 - Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 1:24pm Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 7:53am: Bobby. wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 5:21am: Abbos came from India about 60,000 years ago. Ahh so Abos are really just a bunch of wogs from India! 👌 That's right - they used to be curry munchers.
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Re: abos arent a race
Reply #43 - Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 1:26pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 1:19pm:

It has only been a few decades - with the mapping of the human genome - and the popularity of DNA ancestry, that the notion of race has been debunked as meaningless except as a reference to cultural/social/religious differences.

I watched a video of someone who thought he was 'pure' Han Chinese - until he received his DNA analysis results. Turns out he was likely 10% Korean.

He was not happy! Or 不开心 .

If DNA has debunked the existence of race, how is it possible to use DNA to identify a person's racial ancestry?

Also, did you know that there are significant amounts of human DNA that are only present in people originating from outside of Africa?

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 84012 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: abos arent a race Reply #44 - Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 1:26pm Bobby. wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 1:24pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 7:53am: Bobby. wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2023 at 5:21am: Abbos came from India about 60,000 years ago. Ahh so Abos are really just a bunch of wogs from India! 👌 That's right - they used to be curry munchers. Before they invented curry!!
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