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Joe and Hunter Biden took bribes
Sep 2nd, 2023 at 11:36pm
 
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Fired Ukrainian prosecutor Shokin says Joe and Hunter Biden DID take BRIBES - and were behind his ousting: 'Isn't that corruption alone?' he says in preview of bombshell interview


Hunter Biden moves into $15,800-a-month Malibu home with wife Melissa and son Beau

At the time of his firing, Shokin was investigating oil company Burisma Holdings for corruption - when Hunter was serving on the firm's board

Joe Biden is alleged to have threatened to withhold $1 billion in aid to Ukraine if Shokin specifically was not fired for corruption


Former Ukranian Prosecutor-General Viktor Shokin is accusing Joe and Hunter Biden of 'corruption' - saying they accepted large money 'bribes' from Burisma and were behind his firing.

Shokin, who was ousted as Ukraine's top prosecutor in 2016, made the accusations during excerpts of an upcoming explosive interview airing on Fox News.

At the time of his firing, he was investigating oil company Burisma Holdings for corruption - when Hunter was serving on the firm's board.

'I do not want to deal in unproven facts. But my firm personal conviction is that yes, this was the case. They were being bribed,' Shokin says in the clip of the interview.

'The fact that Joe Biden gave away $1 billion in U.S. money in exchange for my dismissal - my firing - isn't that alone a case of corruption?' he continues in another clip.

The White House is accusing Fox News of giving a 'platform to lies' by airing the interview.

'For years, these false claims have been debunked, and no matter how much air time Fox gives them, they will remain false,' said White House spokesperson Ian Sams.

'Fox is giving a platform for these lies to a former Ukrainian prosecutor general whose office his own deputy called 'a hotbed of corruption', drawing demands for reform not only from then-Vice President Biden but also from U.S. diplomats, international partners, and Republican Senators like Ron Johnson.'

In December 2015, then-Vice President Joe Biden delivered a speech to the Ukrainian Rada during which he touted his anti-corruption efforts in the country and urged an overhaul and reform of the office of the general prosecutor. 

A few months later in March 2016, Joe Biden is alleged to have threatened to withhold $1 billion in aid to Ukraine if Shokin specifically was not fired for corruption - and he was shortly thereafter.

Years later, Biden actually bragged about his firing at a Council on Foreign Relations event in 2018.

Biden said that he would withhold a billion dollars in U.S. aid if the Ukrainians did not agree to fire Shokin.

'I looked at them and said, 'I'm leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you're not getting the money,' Biden said.

'Well, son of a b****. He got fired,' he continued.


Republicans have said Hunter's Burisma entanglement and possible influence in Shokin's firing is evidence of the Biden family's influence peddling scheme.

As part of a larger investigation, they are seeking records revealing Joe Biden's use of pseudonyms to discuss his activities related to Ukraine with his son Hunter during his time as vice president.

They specifically want an un-redacted document that indicates that then-Vice President Biden took a call with the president of Ukraine, Petro Poroshenko, on May 27, 2016.

Republicans say the document was emailed to 'Robert L. Peters' which is 'a pseudonym' the House Oversight Committee has 'identified as then Vice-President Biden,' a letter obtained by DailyMail.com states.

Hunter Biden's ex-business partner Archer testified before the House Oversight Committee earlier this month that Joe Biden's 'brand' protected Burisma because 'people would be intimidated to mess with them.'

Hunter's presence on Burisma's board and access to his father - then vice president - led to the company's 'longevity' because they had the 'capabilities to navigate D.C.,' Archer said according to the transcript.

Hunter's best friend and business associate sat with him on Burisma's board beginning in 2014. They also started Rosemont Seneca Partners, an investment advisory firm, together.

He confirmed that Hunter put Joe on speakerphone 20 times during business meetings over a 10-year period, which was a 'signal' of 'value,' and Hunter used his dad as 'defensive leverage.'


He also told lawmakers that Joe sat and had dinner in-person on at least two occasions with Hunter and his foreign business partners, who then wired money almost immediately after to Biden-affiliated companies.

During a dinner with Burisma executives at the Four Seasons in Dubai in December 2015, Hunter said he would be able to get 'help from D.C.' in order to relieve some 'government pressure' on the company.

Archer testified that Burisma was 'getting pressure' and as a result, they 'requested Hunter, you know, help them with some of that pressure.'

He said it was 'government pressure' from the ongoing Ukrainian investigation into the company at the time - led by top prosecutor Shokin.

'But yes, there was constant pressure. And it was like it was like whack a mole in regards to the pressures that had to resolve,' Archer continued.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12445811/Fired-Ukrainian-prosecutor-Sho...
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Reply #1 - Sep 2nd, 2023 at 11:40pm
 
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At the time of his firing, Shokin was investigating oil company Burisma Holdings for corruption - when Hunter was serving on the firm's board


This is the first obvious lie in the article. The investigation was several years before Hunter worked for Brisma. The investigation was never real the problem with this guy is that he wasn't investigating.
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Reply #2 - Sep 2nd, 2023 at 11:45pm
 
Viktor Shokin said on Sunday that he believed – but with no direct evidence – that Joe and Hunter Biden received bribes

https://nypost.com/2023/08/25/fired-ukraine-prosecutor-viktor-shokin-says-he-bel...

Again - we don't like Joe but we have no evidence of anything.
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Reply #3 - Sep 2nd, 2023 at 11:57pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Sep 2nd, 2023 at 11:45pm:
Viktor Shokin said on Sunday that he believed – but with no direct evidence – that Joe and Hunter Biden received bribes

https://nypost.com/2023/08/25/fired-ukraine-prosecutor-viktor-shokin-says-he-bel...

Again - we don't like Joe but we have no evidence of anything.


From your link

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Archer confirmed that Joe Biden attended an April 2015 dinner in Washington with Burisma board adviser Vadym Pozharskyi and said that Hunter stepped away from a December 2015 meeting in Dubai to call his father, joined by both Pozharskyi and Zlochevsky

Archer told journalist Tucker Carlson in a subsequent interview that Shokin was a “threat” to the company and ran Zlochevsky out of Ukraine shortly before his removal.

“He was a threat. He ended up seizing assets of [Zlochevsky] — a house, some cars, a couple of properties. And Nikolai actually never went back to Ukraine after Shokin seized all of his assets,” Archer said.


Shokin’s office won a court order to seize Zlochevsky’s property on Feb. 2, 2016, the Kyiv Post reported at the time. Shokin was fired on March 29.




Devon Archer was Hunters business partner, how much time did he spend in jail?  Roll Eyes
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Reply #4 - Sep 3rd, 2023 at 12:20am
 
Dnarever wrote on Sep 2nd, 2023 at 11:45pm:
Viktor Shokin said on Sunday that he believed – but with no direct evidence – that Joe and Hunter Biden received bribes

https://nypost.com/2023/08/25/fired-ukraine-prosecutor-viktor-shokin-says-he-bel...

Again - we don't like Joe but we have no evidence of anything.


Oh, I don't know, it's not like Viktor would have any reason to spread lies in an attempt to ruin Sleepy Joe's reputation or anything.

If he says he believes it, I say we give him a go, okay?

All Vik has to say is who bribed Joe and when. Easy peasy, no?
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Reply #5 - Sep 3rd, 2023 at 12:25am
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 2nd, 2023 at 11:57pm:
Dnarever wrote on Sep 2nd, 2023 at 11:45pm:
Viktor Shokin said on Sunday that he believed – but with no direct evidence – that Joe and Hunter Biden received bribes

https://nypost.com/2023/08/25/fired-ukraine-prosecutor-viktor-shokin-says-he-bel...

Again - we don't like Joe but we have no evidence of anything.


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Archer confirmed that Joe Biden attended an April 2015 dinner in Washington with Burisma board adviser Vadym Pozharskyi and said that Hunter stepped away from a December 2015 meeting in Dubai to call his father, joined by both Pozharskyi and Zlochevsky

Archer told journalist Tucker Carlson in a subsequent interview that Shokin was a “threat” to the company and ran Zlochevsky out of Ukraine shortly before his removal.

“He was a threat. He ended up seizing assets of [Zlochevsky] — a house, some cars, a couple of properties. And Nikolai actually never went back to Ukraine after Shokin seized all of his assets,” Archer said.


Shokin’s office won a court order to seize Zlochevsky’s property on Feb. 2, 2016, the Kyiv Post reported at the time. Shokin was fired on March 29.




Devon Archer was Hunters business partner, how much time did he spend in jail?  Roll Eyes


Tucker? It's not like Tucker Carlson would have any reason to spread lies in an attempt to gain ratings and get the big fella erected, no?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/tucker-carlson-fox-news-dave-r...

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Reply #6 - Sep 3rd, 2023 at 12:37am
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 2nd, 2023 at 11:57pm:
Dnarever wrote on Sep 2nd, 2023 at 11:45pm:
Viktor Shokin said on Sunday that he believed – but with no direct evidence – that Joe and Hunter Biden received bribes

https://nypost.com/2023/08/25/fired-ukraine-prosecutor-viktor-shokin-says-he-bel...

Again - we don't like Joe but we have no evidence of anything.


From your link

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Archer confirmed that Joe Biden attended an April 2015 dinner in Washington with Burisma board adviser Vadym Pozharskyi and said that Hunter stepped away from a December 2015 meeting in Dubai to call his father, joined by both Pozharskyi and Zlochevsky

Archer told journalist Tucker Carlson in a subsequent interview that Shokin was a “threat” to the company and ran Zlochevsky out of Ukraine shortly before his removal.

“He was a threat. He ended up seizing assets of [Zlochevsky] — a house, some cars, a couple of properties. And Nikolai actually never went back to Ukraine after Shokin seized all of his assets,” Archer said.


Shokin’s office won a court order to seize Zlochevsky’s property on Feb. 2, 2016, the Kyiv Post reported at the time. Shokin was fired on March 29.




Devon Archer was Hunters business partner, how much time did he spend in jail?  Roll Eyes


Yes there is a lot of garbage in the article but it does point out that there was no evidence.

If you seen Devon Archer in the house investigation he was a failure for the Republicans case, he managed to prove the opposite of what they wanted.

The reporting on the Tuckums Archer interviews are not reliable and seem to be the opposite to what was said in the House inquiry. Any link to the actual interviews.
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Reply #7 - Sep 3rd, 2023 at 3:38am
 

The issue with Trump was whether he was leveraging
Ukraine for personal gain—and there was more
evidence that this was true of him than of Biden.
Trump wanted Ukraine to announce it was
investigating Hunter Biden at a time when Joe Biden
was Trump’s likeliest 2020 election opponent.

Fired Ukrainian prosecutor is not a reliable narrator.

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Reply #8 - Sep 3rd, 2023 at 4:59am
 
whats wrong with that , if joe did do it ?

everyone wants to give their kids a leg up in life .

kerry packer helped James

Murdoch helped lachlan

in the afl, they even have laws that a son can play for his dads team and it reduces the salary cap restrictions.

this is perfectly natural behaviour.

hunter was a bit of a loose cannon and so joe used the tools at his disposal to help hunter out

its what any decent father would do.

do people expect hunter to go do some lame ass job at bunnings ?

get real
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Reply #9 - Sep 3rd, 2023 at 11:32am
 
aquascoot wrote on Sep 3rd, 2023 at 4:59am:
whats wrong with that , if joe did do it ?

everyone wants to give their kids a leg up in life .

kerry packer helped James

Murdoch helped lachlan

in the afl, they even have laws that a son can play for his dads team and it reduces the salary cap restrictions.

this is perfectly natural behaviour.

hunter was a bit of a loose cannon and so joe used the tools at his disposal to help hunter out

its what any decent father would do.

do people expect hunter to go do some lame ass job at bunnings ?

get real


Just so. There's no evidence, but what IF?

The big fella sure gave Jared a leg-up with the Saudis. Two bil in cash is nothing to sneeze at, leftards.

Ivanka does have rather expensive taste in handbags, no?

I can't think of a better guy to manage Saudi pension funds.
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Reply #10 - Sep 3rd, 2023 at 11:41am
 
aquascoot wrote on Sep 3rd, 2023 at 4:59am:
whats wrong with that , if joe did do it ?

everyone wants to give their kids a leg up in life .

kerry packer helped James

Murdoch helped lachlan

in the afl, they even have laws that a son can play for his dads team and it reduces the salary cap restrictions.

this is perfectly natural behaviour.

hunter was a bit of a loose cannon and so joe used the tools at his disposal to help hunter out

its what any decent father would do.

do people expect hunter to go do some lame ass job at bunnings ?

get real


Hunter graduated Georgetown University (considered on par with ivy league schools) and then Yale law school.

Hunter has been a hedge fund principal and a venture capital and private equity fund investor. He formerly worked as a banker, a lobbyist, and a legal representative for lobbying firms.

Hunter is a lot more qualified and experienced than people seem to think.
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Reply #11 - Sep 3rd, 2023 at 11:47am
 

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Reply #12 - Sep 3rd, 2023 at 5:54pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Sep 3rd, 2023 at 11:41am:
aquascoot wrote on Sep 3rd, 2023 at 4:59am:
whats wrong with that , if joe did do it ?

everyone wants to give their kids a leg up in life .

kerry packer helped James

Murdoch helped lachlan

in the afl, they even have laws that a son can play for his dads team and it reduces the salary cap restrictions.

this is perfectly natural behaviour.

hunter was a bit of a loose cannon and so joe used the tools at his disposal to help hunter out

its what any decent father would do.

do people expect hunter to go do some lame ass job at bunnings ?

get real


Hunter graduated Georgetown University (considered on par with ivy league schools) and then Yale law school.

Hunter has been a hedge fund principal and a venture capital and private equity fund investor. He formerly worked as a banker, a lobbyist, and a legal representative for lobbying firms.

Hunter is a lot more qualified and experienced than people seem to think.


Hunter is certainly more experienced than Jared Kushner, who received two billion in investment funds from the Saudi government. According to Saudi reports, Jared could not be trusted with the nation's sovereign wealth fund:

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Among other concerns, the (Saudi) panel noted that management was “inexperience[d],” that the kingdom would be responsible for “the bulk of the investment and risk,” that its fee seemed “excessive", and that the firm’s operations were “unsatisfactory in all aspects.”

Given those reservations, it warned that the country’s Public Investment Fund should stay far, far away from Kushner’s firm—a recommendation that was overturned by the fund’s board, which happens to be led by Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman
.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/05/jared-kushner-affinity-partners-saudi-ar...

Jared started his fund six weeks after leaving his taxpayer-funded position at the White House, where he worked as his father-in-law's senior advisor and emissary to the Middle East.

Hunter Biden has never held office, never been employed by his father, and never worked on US government business. Jared received a $2 billion Saudi payout attached to a $25 million bribe from the Saudi headhackers.

The merely alleged bribes to Hunter Biden aren't even in the same ballpark.

Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?
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Reply #13 - Sep 3rd, 2023 at 7:34pm
 
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Joe and Hunter Biden took bribes


Claims like this are meant to be evidence based not just part of a wish list.
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Dnarever wrote on Sep 3rd, 2023 at 7:34pm:
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Joe and Hunter Biden took bribes


Claims like this are meant to be evidence based not just part of a wish list.


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