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Reply #105 - Sep 13th, 2023 at 8:40pm
 
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p.104 These included through the designation of seats in Parliament for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples (although there was some concern that these politicians would be bound by party politics),163 the creation of a ‘Black Parliament’164 that represents communities across Australia. ......... For instance, the body’s representation could be drawn from an Assembly of First Nations, which could be established through a series of treaties among nations. Demand 13 - separate Parliament and established representation in current Parliament, again using 'treaties'. Apartheid.

p. 104-105 "The pursuit of Treaty and treaties was strongly supported across the Dialogues.167 Treaty was seen as a pathway to recognition of sovereignty and for achieving future meaningful reform for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples. Treaty would be the vehicle to achieve self- determination, autonomy and self-government  Demand 14 - for Treaty(ies) on their terms only that would offer them all they want = unconditional surrender - and establish Apartheid.

p. 105 "a Treaty could include a proper say in decision-making, the establishment of a truth commission, reparations, a financial settlement (such as seeking a percentage of GDP), the resolution of land, water and resources issues, recognition of authority and customary law, and guarantees of respect for the rights of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples Demand 15 - one-sided 'truth' commission; reparations; land water and resources control; dual laws. = Apartheid and unconditional surrender of all meaningful things such as land, water and resources never used by them.

p.105 "For some, Treaty should be pursued alongside, but separate from, constitutional reform.171 For others, constitutional reform that gives Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people a voice in the political process will be a way to achieve Treaty.172 For others, specific constitutional amendment could set out a negotiating framework, and give constitutional status to any concluded treaty." Demand 16 - demand that a voice be the avenue to Treaty(ies) and all that entails in loss of ownership of land, water and resources, not just advisory.... unconditional surrender to a minority who lost ............not just a modest thing. - Apartheid and minority group unearned control over the nation and all its people.

p.106 "that the true history of colonisation must be told: the genocides, the massacres, the wars and the ongoing injustices and discrimination. This truth also needed to include the stories of how First Nations Peoples have contributed to protecting and building this country.  Demand 17 - one-sided truth telling, selective history, fantasies about nation building by them alone, and nobody has ever denied their involvement in the armed forces in protecting this country.

p.108 "The Voice should be established to enable it to perform its functions as a representative institution of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander First Peoples, enabling First Peoples to deal with the Executive Government of the day as well as the Parliament"  Demand 18 - the 'right' to deal with all levels of government, not just advise Parliament.

p.109 "The Bill establishing the Makarrata Commission should confer all necessary powers and functions to facilitate the settlement of a National Makarrata Framework Agreement between Australian Governments and First Peoples"  Demand 19 - Makaratta Commission with powers and functions, not just advisory.

That's enough to go forward with, for now... Now I'm busy - I can't do your homework for you every damned day...

Modest proposal my arse.

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Re: So...the day after the Referendum
Reply #106 - Sep 13th, 2023 at 8:45pm
 
"That crap is NOT part of the one page Uluru thing, and is not part of the Referendum.

It is a wish list of cock heads."


Not at all - it is what is BEHIND the Uluru Thing, and is to FOLLOW the success of the referendum... all laid out for you.

Are you saying that all those local Indigenous groups were made up of cock-heads, and that includes Mayo and Langton and Burnie etc?  Then why should anyone consider their proposal at all?


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Reply #107 - Sep 13th, 2023 at 9:25pm
 
Aussie wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 5:17pm:
Belgarion wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 5:03pm:
Aussie wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 4:50pm:
Belgarion wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 4:46pm:
How will I feel the day after? If NO gets up I will feel satisfied that the majority of people have not been taken in by the propaganda being pushed by the government, big business and the Aboriginal industry and have not been bullied or influenced by comments like Professor Langdon's that all NO voters are 'racist and stupid'.  If YES gets up I will be very disappointed, however I will then watch with cynical amusement as this 'Voice' becomes a vehicle for the enrichment of a few without doing anything to help those in real need.   



Ya see...right there is Dutton's and Ley's evil work in play.  Belgarion fell for that lie.

Just appalling.

Link.

Watch and hear what she actually said.




You do realise that the link confirms what I previously posted?  Roll Eyes


Look again...she refers to the argument....NOT the people!!!!!

FMD!

And if it makes your day...I agree that The Voice is fundamentally racist in concept. That is an undeniable fact.

But it is also irrelevant.


She is certainly referring to the people who support the no argument. You can argue her wording all you like but that does not change her meaning. Roll Eyes
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Re: So...the day after the Referendum
Reply #108 - Sep 13th, 2023 at 9:46pm
 
The demand for a special voice is itself racist - once that is the established ground rule, there is no turning back.
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Reply #109 - Sep 13th, 2023 at 10:35pm
 
Just listened to Jacinta Price discussing Marcia Langton's outburst.

She wasn't surprised. Apparently, Langton has long been a trash talker.
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Reply #110 - Sep 14th, 2023 at 12:23am
 
When this expensive racist farce fails will Tanya or Bill stab AnAl in the back.

I reckon it will be Tanya.  Wink
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Reply #111 - Sep 14th, 2023 at 12:26am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 10:35pm:
Just listened to Jacinta Price discussing Marcia Langton's outburst.

She wasn't surprised. Apparently, Langton has long been a trash talker.



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Currently 57% of Australians are racist and stupid, according to Uluru Statement and Voice Campaign architect Marcia Langton.

https://twitter.com/NoSpinPolitics/status/1701507501668393417



Marcia had a whinge about Dutton accurately quoting her.
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Re: So...the day after the Referendum
Reply #112 - Sep 14th, 2023 at 6:58am
 
Ok so now that you’ve all recovered from Marcia’s little tanty (which indicated how much the YES camp is panicking)..this fact remains 👇

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 12th, 2023 at 10:03pm:
Aussie wrote on Sep 12th, 2023 at 6:44pm:
If you vote No and No gets up, will you feel vindicated, proud of what you have done for the Country and its Aboriginal community?


WHEN the No Vote gets through then we’re coming after Albo. You do realise he won’t be around after NO gets through ... don’t you?

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Reply #113 - Sep 14th, 2023 at 7:08am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 6:58am:
Ok so now that you’ve all recovered from Marcia’s little tanty (which indicated how much the YES camp is panicking)..this fact remains 👇

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 12th, 2023 at 10:03pm:
Aussie wrote on Sep 12th, 2023 at 6:44pm:
If you vote No and No gets up, will you feel vindicated, proud of what you have done for the Country and its Aboriginal community?


WHEN the No Vote gets through then we’re coming after Albo. You do realise he won’t be around after NO gets through ... don’t you?


It will depend on whether Albanese can maintain confidence in his leadership with his colleagues, who will be motivated largely by the public mood.

Bob Hawke's 1988 Referendum failure did not dislodge him from his premiership.

But then, he was Bob Hawke.
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Re: So...the day after the Referendum
Reply #114 - Sep 14th, 2023 at 7:12am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 7:08am:
Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 6:58am:
Ok so now that you’ve all recovered from Marcia’s little tanty (which indicated how much the YES camp is panicking)..this fact remains 👇

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 12th, 2023 at 10:03pm:
Aussie wrote on Sep 12th, 2023 at 6:44pm:
If you vote No and No gets up, will you feel vindicated, proud of what you have done for the Country and its Aboriginal community?


WHEN the No Vote gets through then we’re coming after Albo. You do realise he won’t be around after NO gets through ... don’t you?


It will depend on whether Albanese can maintain confidence in his leadership with his colleagues, who will be motivated largely by the public mood.

Bob Hawke's 1988 Referendum failure did not dislodge him from his premiership.

But then, he was Bob Hawke.


Exactly. Albo on the other hand ... is a Captain Binghamton.
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Reply #115 - Sep 14th, 2023 at 9:02am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 10:35pm:
Just listened to Jacinta Price discussing Marcia Langton's outburst.

She wasn't surprised. Apparently, Langton has long been a trash talker.

Price will speak at the National Press Club today, 12.30

https://www.npc.org.au/
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Reply #116 - Sep 14th, 2023 at 9:14am
 
Frank wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 9:02am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 10:35pm:
Just listened to Jacinta Price discussing Marcia Langton's outburst.

She wasn't surprised. Apparently, Langton has long been a trash talker.


Price will speak at the National Press Club today, 12.30


https://www.npc.org.au/


I so respect this Aboriginal woman because she is an advocate for TRUTH and UNITY. Also, Jacinta Price totally gets that we can’t escape the reality of TIME and the CHANGE it has brought with it into the current debate.

Price is the positive role model we conservative Gen X women have been quietly watching. Over the years she’s developed her refreshing unique brand on the Australian political stage and she is precisely  what the Liberals need to separate them from Captain Binghamton and his McHales Navy crew of bungling buffoons.
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Reply #117 - Sep 14th, 2023 at 9:28am
 
Frank wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 9:02am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 10:35pm:
Just listened to Jacinta Price discussing Marcia Langton's outburst.

She wasn't surprised. Apparently, Langton has long been a trash talker.

Price will speak at the National Press Club today, 12.30

https://www.npc.org.au/

Easily one of the most impressive politicians on the national stage.

She is intelligent, an eloquent speaker, has courage, and does not shy away from the harsh realities of societal/cultural issues that have consigned lesser politicians to the dustbin of craven and deceitful virtue-signalling.
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Reply #118 - Sep 14th, 2023 at 9:33am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 9:28am:
Frank wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 9:02am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 10:35pm:
Just listened to Jacinta Price discussing Marcia Langton's outburst.

She wasn't surprised. Apparently, Langton has long been a trash talker.

Price will speak at the National Press Club today, 12.30

https://www.npc.org.au/

Easily one of the most impressive politicians on the national stage.

She is intelligent, an eloquent speaker, has courage, and does not shy away from the harsh realities of societal/cultural issues that have consigned lesser politicians to the dustbin of craven and deceitful virtue-signalling.



Agreed. So ... tell us how far YOU think this Aboriginal woman could go in Australian Politics.

(👆 That’s pretty much what we Conservative women are asking these days.)
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Re: So...the day after the Referendum
Reply #119 - Sep 14th, 2023 at 9:52am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 9:33am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 9:28am:
Frank wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 9:02am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 13th, 2023 at 10:35pm:
Just listened to Jacinta Price discussing Marcia Langton's outburst.

She wasn't surprised. Apparently, Langton has long been a trash talker.

Price will speak at the National Press Club today, 12.30

https://www.npc.org.au/

Easily one of the most impressive politicians on the national stage.

She is intelligent, an eloquent speaker, has courage, and does not shy away from the harsh realities of societal/cultural issues that have consigned lesser politicians to the dustbin of craven and deceitful virtue-signalling.



Agreed. So ... tell us how far YOU think this Aboriginal woman could go in Australian Politics.

(👆 That’s pretty much what we Conservative women are asking these days.)

She is showing the potential to be, with age and more experience, the national leader, and maybe a transformative one.
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