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Re: So...the day after the Referendum
Reply #120 - Sep 14^th, 2023 at 9:53am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 9:52am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 9:33am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 9:28am:

Frank wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 9:02am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 10:35pm:

Just listened to Jacinta Price discussing Marcia Langton's outburst.

She wasn't surprised. Apparently, Langton has long been a trash talker.

Price will speak at the National Press Club today, 12.30

https://www.npc.org.au/

Easily one of the most impressive politicians on the national stage.

She is intelligent, an eloquent speaker, has courage, and does not shy away from the harsh realities of societal/cultural issues that have consigned lesser politicians to the dustbin of craven and deceitful virtue-signalling.

Agreed. So ... tell us how far YOU think this Aboriginal woman could go in Australian Politics.

(👆 That’s pretty much what we Conservative women are asking these days.)

She is showing the potential to be, with age and more experience, the national leader, and maybe a transformative one.

Your reply has made my day!

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Re: So...the day after the Referendum
Reply #121 - Sep 14^th, 2023 at 10:02am

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 9:53am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 9:52am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 9:33am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 9:28am:

Frank wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 9:02am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 10:35pm:

Just listened to Jacinta Price discussing Marcia Langton's outburst.

She wasn't surprised. Apparently, Langton has long been a trash talker.

Price will speak at the National Press Club today, 12.30

https://www.npc.org.au/

Easily one of the most impressive politicians on the national stage.

She is intelligent, an eloquent speaker, has courage, and does not shy away from the harsh realities of societal/cultural issues that have consigned lesser politicians to the dustbin of craven and deceitful virtue-signalling.

Agreed. So ... tell us how far YOU think this Aboriginal woman could go in Australian Politics.

(👆 That’s pretty much what we Conservative women are asking these days.)

She is showing the potential to be, with age and more experience, the national leader, and maybe a transformative one.

Your reply has made my day!

Hopefully she will not be restricted to the coffin-narrow constraints of one-issue politics, or suffer the 'Ardern effect' - i.e. catapulted into seniority by ambitious party elites, (because she's a relatively young woman), before she matures into a seasoned politician.

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Re: So...the day after the Referendum
Reply #122 - Sep 14^th, 2023 at 10:42am

Aussie wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 6:50pm:

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So the very foundation of the referendum is about recognising people by their race.

Yes. Undeniable.

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But to argue that such a division of the polity by race is wrong is irrelevant, racist and stupid.

The Voice is not a division of polity. It recognises an EXISTING division, you moron!

It goes on to address that EXISTING division.

And so much for closing "the gap" ey, when this Voice idiocy will do nothing but widen the division.

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Re: So...the day after the Referendum
Reply #123 - Sep 14^th, 2023 at 10:57am

Jasin wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 7:36pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 12^th, 2023 at 6:01pm:

As I will be voting 'yes,' I will feel only great sadness and disappointment if 'No' got up.

If I had voted 'No' and the "no vote got up, there would be a twinge of guilt and possible a sense of irreversible harm to Australia that a chance to make things better was lost because of fear mongering garbage disseminated by arseholes.

If 'Yes' gets up, I will look forward with positivity and a strong desire to see those arseholes proven just how wrong they were in disseminating their scaremongering tripe and demonising a worthy gesture and offering.

On Sunday the 15th October, 2023, it will all become very, very real and Australia will have changed.

I prefer the "Yes' win scenario myself.

The Media should stick to Music and Entertainment.
Give the Aborigines a 'Voice' there with Seal and Co

The Political world is corrupted by the meddling of the Media.

That's right ... you're a self loathing guilt ridden SJW who has taken the emotional blackmail & wedge politics of the Yes campaign like Jonestown Kool Aid.

No wonder you had to revert to cab driving to try & make a living. The irony of that being that it was lefty ideology driven state Labor Govt that allowed the Ride Share industry an unfettered entry into economy which halved the value of your business investment & nearly rendered it worthless.

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Re: So...the day after the Referendum
Reply #124 - Sep 14^th, 2023 at 11:03am

Aussie wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 6:50pm:

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So the very foundation of the referendum is about recognising people by their race.

Yes. Undeniable.

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But to argue that such a division of the polity by race is wrong is irrelevant, racist and stupid.

The Voice is not a division of polity. It recognises an EXISTING division, you moron!

It goes on to address that EXISTING division.

So it is not only wrong to argue AGAINST racial division, it is also irrelevant to argue against it. The racial division, wrong though it is, must be cemented into the constitution before it disappears.

You ARE a complet idiot, Arrsie. Just muddled, stupid, totally off on the Bbwianesque/ Thick-as trajectory of cockwomblery.

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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 85085 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: So...the day after the Referendum Reply #125 - Sep 14^th, 2023 at 11:03am Well - it seems all the reasoning minds are onside with Jacinta Price - so much for 'racism' controlling the NO debate..... just 'professorially', of course...
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Re: So...the day after the Referendum
Reply #126 - Sep 14^th, 2023 at 12:36pm

Gnads wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 10:57am:

Jasin wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 7:36pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 12^th, 2023 at 6:01pm:

As I will be voting 'yes,' I will feel only great sadness and disappointment if 'No' got up.

If I had voted 'No' and the "no vote got up, there would be a twinge of guilt and possible a sense of irreversible harm to Australia that a chance to make things better was lost because of fear mongering garbage disseminated by arseholes.

If 'Yes' gets up, I will look forward with positivity and a strong desire to see those arseholes proven just how wrong they were in disseminating their scaremongering tripe and demonising a worthy gesture and offering.

On Sunday the 15th October, 2023, it will all become very, very real and Australia will have changed.

I prefer the "Yes' win scenario myself.

The Media should stick to Music and Entertainment.
Give the Aborigines a 'Voice' there with Seal and Co

The Political world is corrupted by the meddling of the Media.

That's right ... you're a self loathing guilt ridden SJW who has taken the emotional blackmail & wedge politics of the Yes campaign like Jonestown Kool Aid.

No wonder you had to revert to cab driving to try & make a living. The irony of that being that it was lefty ideology driven state Labor Govt that allowed the Ride Share industry an unfettered entry into economy which halved the value of your business investment & nearly rendered it worthless.

At least when you drive a Cab they have taken the training tracks off. We are trusted to be able to go to a destination without wheels on rails. You?

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Re: So...the day after the Referendum
Reply #127 - Sep 14^th, 2023 at 12:57pm

Aussie wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 12:36pm:

Gnads wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 10:57am:

Jasin wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 7:36pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 12^th, 2023 at 6:01pm:

As I will be voting 'yes,' I will feel only great sadness and disappointment if 'No' got up.

If I had voted 'No' and the "no vote got up, there would be a twinge of guilt and possible a sense of irreversible harm to Australia that a chance to make things better was lost because of fear mongering garbage disseminated by arseholes.

If 'Yes' gets up, I will look forward with positivity and a strong desire to see those arseholes proven just how wrong they were in disseminating their scaremongering tripe and demonising a worthy gesture and offering.

On Sunday the 15th October, 2023, it will all become very, very real and Australia will have changed.

I prefer the "Yes' win scenario myself.

The Media should stick to Music and Entertainment.
Give the Aborigines a 'Voice' there with Seal and Co

The Political world is corrupted by the meddling of the Media.

That's right ... you're a self loathing guilt ridden SJW who has taken the emotional blackmail & wedge politics of the Yes campaign like Jonestown Kool Aid.

No wonder you had to revert to cab driving to try & make a living. The irony of that being that it was lefty ideology driven state Labor Govt that allowed the Ride Share industry an unfettered entry into economy which halved the value of your business investment & nearly rendered it worthless.

At least when you drive a Cab they have taken the training tracks off. We are trusted to be able to go to a destination without wheels on rails. You?

Phew - that'll be a relief to Albo - he's got one vote in the bag......

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Re: So...the day after the Referendum
Reply #128 - Sep 14^th, 2023 at 2:00pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 9:28am:

Frank wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 9:02am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 13^th, 2023 at 10:35pm:

Just listened to Jacinta Price discussing Marcia Langton's outburst.

She wasn't surprised. Apparently, Langton has long been a trash talker.

Price will speak at the National Press Club today, 12.30

https://www.npc.org.au/

Easily one of the most impressive politicians on the national stage.

She is intelligent, an eloquent speaker, has courage, and does not shy away from the harsh realities of societal/cultural issues that have consigned lesser politicians to the dustbin of craven and deceitful virtue-signalling.
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I watched her at the Press Club. Per 100% politician. Two face hypocrit.

Opposes the Voice as being divisive and arguing that there ought be no recognition of Aboriginals, yet takes the job of Opposition Minister for Aboriginals and advocates for the existence of specific groups which exist ONLY to serve Abo needs, and did not immediately disown Dutton's proposed legislation for The Voice.

What an arsehole.

What a fantastic Uncle Tom!

The very job she has exists because of a racial division which is recognised, one she urges NOT to be recognised.

If she was truly consistent and fair dinkum she would resign from that job and advocate for the existence of a Shadow Minister for the Marginalised (irrespective of race.)

Such an obvious hypocrite. Perfect politician.

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Re: So...the day after the Referendum
Reply #130 - Sep 14^th, 2023 at 2:12pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 2:09pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 2:00pm:

advocate for the existence of a Shadow Minister for the Marginalised (irrespective of race.)

That is precisely what she argued for.

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k she did. She was asked specifically. She has that job she said, because it EXISTS!!!!! And then, in the same breath mouths there ought be no separate recognition.

What she should have said is....'Yes, I immediately resign from this position I hold and I will urge my Party Leader to create a Shadow Ministry for the Marginalised. Stuff the Aboriginal Industry. It should be totally abolished.'

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Re: So...the day after the Referendum
Reply #131 - Sep 14^th, 2023 at 2:35pm

Aussie wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 2:12pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 2:09pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 2:00pm:

advocate for the existence of a Shadow Minister for the Marginalised (irrespective of race.)

That is precisely what she argued for.

Like f

uc

k she did. She was asked specifically. She has that job she said, because it EXISTS!!!!! And then, in the same breath mouths there ought be no separate recognition.

What she should have said is....'Yes, I immediately resign from this position I hold and I will urge my Party Leader to create a Shadow Ministry for the Marginalised. Stuff the Aboriginal Industry. It should be totally abolished.'

Given Price is not in government, she heads a shadow portfolio of a government one - established to hold that governmental portfolio to account.

Were she to make a statement as you suggest now, would be to divert attention from the referendum's issues to herself and to another seismic project.

But watch this space. Of all current politicians, Price is the one politician who could potentially pull that off.

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Re: So...the day after the Referendum
Reply #132 - Sep 14^th, 2023 at 2:48pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 2:35pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 2:12pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 2:09pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 2:00pm:

advocate for the existence of a Shadow Minister for the Marginalised (irrespective of race.)

That is precisely what she argued for.

Like f

uc

k she did. She was asked specifically. She has that job she said, because it EXISTS!!!!! And then, in the same breath mouths there ought be no separate recognition.

What she should have said is....'Yes, I immediately resign from this position I hold and I will urge my Party Leader to create a Shadow Ministry for the Marginalised. Stuff the Aboriginal Industry. It should be totally abolished.'

Given Price is not in government, she heads a shadow portfolio of a government one - established to hold that governmental portfolio to account.

Were she to make a statement as you suggest now, would be to divert attention from the referendum's issues to herself and to another seismic project.

But watch this space. Of all current politicians, Price is the one politician who could potentially pull that off.

You agree her position is hypocritical, but apologise for it by saying she will change it.

If she was fair dinkum, she would never have taken the job. But nah....position, power, and money won out.

Uncle Tom perfection. Cheap opportunist politician perfection.

Takes all the perks from being separately recognised but argues that there ought be no separate recognition.

Drags to the Press Club some woman she wails can't get the PM's ear or the ear of Burnley. Was it a white woman? Nah...a black one. Spoke on and on about how awful it is for Aboriginals, yet NOT ONE word about how awful it is for ALL marginalised people who cannot get into a politician's ear and actually be assisted.

Uncle Tom perfect.

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Re: So...the day after the Referendum
Reply #133 - Sep 14^th, 2023 at 2:54pm

It's all right, Aussie - we all know how difficult it is to accept the words of an Uppity Black Woman... or even a half Black Woman Uncle Tom ...... just take your tablets, grab a good scotch, and take a lie down... you'll be right. Relax and let the universe flow through you.... empty your mind and think of nothing for a while... shake off the ghosts of your past and live for the future of all....

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Re: So...the day after the Referendum
Reply #134 - Sep 14^th, 2023 at 2:59pm

Aussie wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 2:48pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 2:35pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 2:12pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 2:09pm:

Aussie wrote on Sep 14^th, 2023 at 2:00pm:

advocate for the existence of a Shadow Minister for the Marginalised (irrespective of race.)

That is precisely what she argued for.

Like f

uc

k she did. She was asked specifically. She has that job she said, because it EXISTS!!!!! And then, in the same breath mouths there ought be no separate recognition.

What she should have said is....'Yes, I immediately resign from this position I hold and I will urge my Party Leader to create a Shadow Ministry for the Marginalised. Stuff the Aboriginal Industry. It should be totally abolished.'

Given Price is not in government, she heads a shadow portfolio of a government one - established to hold that governmental portfolio to account.

Were she to make a statement as you suggest now, would be to divert attention from the referendum's issues to herself and to another seismic project.

But watch this space. Of all current politicians, Price is the one politician who could potentially pull that off.

You agree her position is hypocritical, but apologise for it by saying she will change it.

If she was fair dinkum, she would never have taken the job. But nah....position, power, and money won out.

Uncle Tom perfection. Cheap opportunist politician perfection.

Takes all the perks from being separately recognised but argues that there ought be no separate recognition.

Drags to the Press Club some woman she wails can't get the PM's ear or the ear of Burnley. Was it a white woman? Nah...a black one. Spoke on and on about how awful it is for Aboriginals, yet NOT ONE word about how awful it is for ALL marginalised people who cannot get into a politician's ear and actually be assisted.

Uncle Tom perfect.

So Langton's poor choice of words characterising No voters (or was it just their arguments that were racist, not the speakers!) as racist and stupid, but Price is a hypocrite, while Langton is 'misunderstood' eh!

It was Langton who warned Price to steer clear of discussing endemic Aboriginal violence in communities so as to assist the Yes vote getting up.

Deceitful, much?

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