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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Reply #1 - Sep 14th, 2023 at 6:58pm
 
Jasin wrote on Sep 14th, 2023 at 6:26pm:


Yes - over 50% of the continent .... & more claims being made.
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Reply #2 - Sep 14th, 2023 at 7:02pm
 
Seems the withdrawal of British and American cultural presence here is giving back the continent to the Aborigines.
The 'West' doesn't belong here and has only existed here as a detached entity.

Wonder who will then take Australia, if Politics (the West) won't/can't?
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Reply #3 - Sep 14th, 2023 at 8:27pm
 
It's a lot:

https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/AA1gGdPc.img

They want more.


It will never be enough:



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Reply #4 - Sep 14th, 2023 at 8:34pm
 
At first it was just isolated areas that nobody really noticed and it was mostly unheralded.... now it is more and more becoming the primest land in the country.... and all brought to you by your nut-licking governments of all colours... the ones who lost their balls decades ago to favour the pussy vote.... and licked their nuts instead....

S-s-s-su-sucking  up  t-t-t-t-t-to  w-w-w-w-w-i--i..... WIMEN  made  m-e-e-e-e  a-a-a  yeew-yyyewwwww-- eunuch!!

And it didn't get any better....


And thus the Western Beowulf, having lain down with the Demon Feminista, found himself and humanity trapped for decades and even generations into dealing daily with the bastard offspring of that unholy union..... yea - e'en unto the seventh generation..... and still climbing....  talk about stupid and bought out for a transient piece of pussy ....

Policy Statement:- No hunter gatherer group is able to lay claim to a vast swathe of land for the simple reason that they never occupied more than a tiny patch at any given time and therefore could not be considered to have 'squatter's rights' or any other rights of ownership.  They should only be claiming the specific area at which they halted when brought into contact with civilisation, and permitted sufficient land to establish themselves, build homes etc.

Mabo has no bearing on wandering hunter-gatherer groups, and that decision was made in the context of a clearly defined space  isolated from the mainland and continually occupied by one group for generations - something which clearly does not apply to wandering across a huge expanse of land.  To surrender to the concept of hunter-gatherer ownership of all the old hunting grounds - which were malleable given that other tribes would compete with them for it - is to apply a system of law foreign to the modern system and is totally out of date.

For example - there is/was no continuous occupation by any such small group of Goat Island or Garden Island and so forth -which were occupied directly by the British Empire and then Commonwealth for many decades and were in direct use.

The same applies to Mt Warning and all other national parks.
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Reply #5 - Sep 14th, 2023 at 9:23pm
 


From Jasinner's link...

Quote:
It's important to note that Native Title can only be
claimed for Crown land and is not applicable to
privately held properties
.

[but...]

When a Native Title determination specifies "exclusive"
rights, it means the Indigenous group has exclusive
ownership and control over the area
in question,
excluding all others, including government authorities
and non-Indigenous individuals or entities.

I have no qualms with this—with the following
exception(s):  That all "exclusive" regions are self-
funded, and that no external and/or non-indigenous
taxpayer funding is directed towards supplying any
social amenities, public housing, education,
health facilities, policing or jurisprudence.

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Reply #6 - Sep 15th, 2023 at 4:05am
 
You call them 'primitive'.
And yet they rip you dumb white fu*ckers off blind in so many ways.
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Reply #7 - Sep 15th, 2023 at 9:29am
 
If you initially looking at the map, and its description, you may think... oh... ALL those land belonging to aborigines ?  And that is alot of money!  They can build their own country! 

What a load of rubbish.

Do you guys even know what is actually Native Title? 

Native title is often described as a ‘bundle of rights’ in land, meaning a collection of rights. These rights may include the right to camp, hunt, use water, hold meetings, perform ceremony and protect cultural sites. It is important to note that native title only recognises the right to perform certain activities which come from traditional laws and customs but does not recognise those traditional laws and customs themselves. The types of rights that are recognised in a native title determination depends on the particular laws and customs of the native title claim group, and what they can prove. 

Native title is inalienable, meaning it cannot be sold or transferred freely, and can only be surrendered to the Crown (or extinguished). However, there are some options for non-extinguishing leasing of native title lands. 

So its not like the aborigines can put up a fence, and drive everyone else out.  At the end of the day, these are still Crown land.   

And then you have Jasinner whining:
Seems the withdrawal of British and American cultural presence here is giving back the continent to the Aborigines.
The 'West' doesn't belong here and has only existed here as a detached entity.

Oh Please!
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Reply #8 - Sep 15th, 2023 at 9:45am
 
It could have been a lot worse.

There was no reason to imagine in the mid to late 18th century that Australia would become a single nation.

There was every reason to suppose that the French, Dutch and British would carve up the continent among themselves - similar to what the Spanish and Portuguese did in South America.

Had that been the case, Aboriginal peoples would have been taking on at least 3 dominant world powers.

And, given that Dutch possessions were seized by the Indonesians, it could have also been Indonesia that determined the fate of many Aboriginal peoples - a Papua-New Guinea/East Timor situation writ large.

And if the Chinese had secured territory in Australia...
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Reply #9 - Sep 15th, 2023 at 9:55am
 
Ok Tickle.
Take away all the International entities and representations from this country and who are you left with?
Just the Aborigines.

Until someone other than the Aborigines 'pay in blood' to USURP the Aborigines as sole inhabitants here...

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Reply #10 - Sep 15th, 2023 at 10:16am
 
Jasin wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 9:55am:
Ok Tickle.
Take away all the International entities and representations from this country and who are you left with?
Just the Aborigines.

Until someone other than the Aborigines 'pay in blood' to USURP the Aborigines as sole inhabitants here...



That is not going to happen.  We have to be realistic.
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Reply #11 - Sep 15th, 2023 at 10:55am
 
tickleandrose wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 9:29am:
If you initially looking at the map, and its description, you may think... oh... ALL those land belonging to aborigines ?  And that is alot of money!  They can build their own country! 

What a load of rubbish.

Do you guys even know what is actually Native Title? 

Native title is often described as a ‘bundle of rights’ in land, meaning a collection of rights. These rights may include the right to camp, hunt, use water, hold meetings, perform ceremony and protect cultural sites. It is important to note that native title only recognises the right to perform certain activities which come from traditional laws and customs but does not recognise those traditional laws and customs themselves. The types of rights that are recognised in a native title determination depends on the particular laws and customs of the native title claim group, and what they can prove. 

Native title is inalienable, meaning it cannot be sold or transferred freely, and can only be surrendered to the Crown (or extinguished). However, there are some options for non-extinguishing leasing of native title lands. 

So its not like the aborigines can put up a fence, and drive everyone else out.  At the end of the day, these are still Crown land.   

And then you have Jasinner whining:
Seems the withdrawal of British and American cultural presence here is giving back the continent to the Aborigines.
The 'West' doesn't belong here and has only existed here as a detached entity.

Oh Please! 

So what do they want? Not happy with being part of modern Australia and can't return to their pre-1788 ways.
What then?

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Reply #12 - Sep 15th, 2023 at 11:14am
 
Frank wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 10:55am:
tickleandrose wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 9:29am:
If you initially looking at the map, and its description, you may think... oh... ALL those land belonging to aborigines ?  And that is alot of money!  They can build their own country! 

What a load of rubbish.

Do you guys even know what is actually Native Title? 

Native title is often described as a ‘bundle of rights’ in land, meaning a collection of rights. These rights may include the right to camp, hunt, use water, hold meetings, perform ceremony and protect cultural sites. It is important to note that native title only recognises the right to perform certain activities which come from traditional laws and customs but does not recognise those traditional laws and customs themselves. The types of rights that are recognised in a native title determination depends on the particular laws and customs of the native title claim group, and what they can prove. 

Native title is inalienable, meaning it cannot be sold or transferred freely, and can only be surrendered to the Crown (or extinguished). However, there are some options for non-extinguishing leasing of native title lands. 

So its not like the aborigines can put up a fence, and drive everyone else out.  At the end of the day, these are still Crown land.   

And then you have Jasinner whining:
Seems the withdrawal of British and American cultural presence here is giving back the continent to the Aborigines.
The 'West' doesn't belong here and has only existed here as a detached entity.

Oh Please! 

So what do they want? Not happy with being part of modern Australia and can't return to their pre-1788 ways.
What then?


To be treated like equals. 

When the colonialist first came to Australia.  The Aborigines were driven off their land.  And their lands were then given or sold off to other settlers for a very small fee, or in a lot of cases free.   These lands would then become privately owned, and the owners of the land can freely discriminate against Aborigines. 

And now, people like you crying and whining about native titles.   
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Reply #13 - Sep 15th, 2023 at 11:22am
 
tickleandrose wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 11:14am:
Frank wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 10:55am:
tickleandrose wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 9:29am:
If you initially looking at the map, and its description, you may think... oh... ALL those land belonging to aborigines ?  And that is alot of money!  They can build their own country! 

What a load of rubbish.

Do you guys even know what is actually Native Title? 

Native title is often described as a ‘bundle of rights’ in land, meaning a collection of rights. These rights may include the right to camp, hunt, use water, hold meetings, perform ceremony and protect cultural sites. It is important to note that native title only recognises the right to perform certain activities which come from traditional laws and customs but does not recognise those traditional laws and customs themselves. The types of rights that are recognised in a native title determination depends on the particular laws and customs of the native title claim group, and what they can prove. 

Native title is inalienable, meaning it cannot be sold or transferred freely, and can only be surrendered to the Crown (or extinguished). However, there are some options for non-extinguishing leasing of native title lands. 

So its not like the aborigines can put up a fence, and drive everyone else out.  At the end of the day, these are still Crown land.   

And then you have Jasinner whining:
Seems the withdrawal of British and American cultural presence here is giving back the continent to the Aborigines.
The 'West' doesn't belong here and has only existed here as a detached entity.

Oh Please! 

So what do they want? Not happy with being part of modern Australia and can't return to their pre-1788 ways.
What then?


To be treated like equals. 

When the colonialist first came to Australia.  The Aborigines were driven off their land.  And their lands were then given or sold off to other settlers for a very small fee, or in a lot of cases free.   These lands would then become privately owned, and the owners of the land can freely discriminate against Aborigines. 

And now, people like you crying and whining about native titles.   

They are treated as equals now.
They were not equals in 1788.

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Reply #14 - Sep 15th, 2023 at 11:55am
 
tickleandrose wrote on Sep 15th, 2023 at 11:14am:
To be treated like equals. 


How do you think Aboriginal peoples are not treated as equals under the law?
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