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Re: What is a 'right'?
Reply #135 - Sep 26^th, 2023 at 8:40pm

freediver wrote on Sep 26^th, 2023 at 8:10pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 26^th, 2023 at 7:19pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 21^st, 2023 at 7:59am:

If it is not in your CCP handbook, then it doesn't exist.

Right?

What doesn't exist?

We have established "inalienable, natural rights" don't exist.

Try again.

Do you mean the ones that are part of your anatomy?

No. ...whatever those "ones" are, you prize fraud.

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thegreatdivide Gold Member Offline Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 12184 Gender:	Re: What is a 'right'? Reply #136 - Sep 26^th, 2023 at 8:43pm chimera wrote on Sep 26^th, 2023 at 8:20pm: Tell your master you have a right to your kidneys ...which many people voluntarily give up...
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Reply #137 - Sep 26^th, 2023 at 8:50pm

Article 25 (1) of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
'The International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights, widely considered as the central instrument for the protection of the right to adequate housing, refers to the right of everyone to an adequate standard of living for himself and his family, including adequate food, clothing and housing'.

People always had that, permanently, and King Charles found dozens of poms guzzling his soup and roast beef then camping on his four-poster bed with family, washer-women and carpenters. He got told off if the meals were a bit stingy.

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Re: What is a 'right'?
Reply #138 - Sep 26^th, 2023 at 8:58pm

chimera wrote on Sep 26^th, 2023 at 8:50pm:

Article 25 (1) of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
'The International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights, widely considered as the central instrument for the protection of the right to adequate housing, refers to the right of everyone to an adequate standard of living for himself and his family, including adequate food, clothing and housing'.

People always had that, permanently,

Nonsense of course, though the framers of the UNUDHR certainly thought it both desirable AND achievable.

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and King Charles found dozens of poms guzzling his soup and roast beef then camping on his four-poster bed with family, washer-women and carpenters. He got told off if the meals were a bit stingy.

Not one of your more successful comedy routines....

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Reply #139 - Sep 27^th, 2023 at 6:03am

So the nonsense shows the right to housing is not a permanent human attribute.

The following sentences are dead serious with no sarcasm.

Rome is claimed to be the 'eternal city'. Aeneid, an epic by Virgil, the poet describes ancient Rome this way: “Imeprium sine fine,” which translates in English as “an empire without end.”
Hitler’s “thousand-year Reich” would serve as the natural conclusion of a process that he traced back to the coronation of Charlemagne in 800.
The UN says that free and secret elections are permanent and inalienable within humans. Ancient Rome stopped elections halfway through its history. Hitler stoppd elections when he began. Neither empire was permanent and inalienable.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48814 At my desk.	Re: What is a 'right'? Reply #140 - Sep 27^th, 2023 at 8:30am Quote: So the nonsense shows the right to housing is not a permanent human attribute. Another brilliant insight. We are not turtles.
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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10507 armidale Gender:	Re: What is a 'right'? Reply #141 - Sep 27^th, 2023 at 8:59am freediver wrote on Sep 27^th, 2023 at 8:30am: We are not turtles. Turtles are free divers. The Frankfurt Parliament was the first freely elected parliament for all German states elected on 1 May 1848. Germans began talking about voting around 6,500BC and knew it wasn't yet permanent. It had to grow inside them.
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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10507 armidale Gender:	Re: What is a 'right'? Reply #142 - Sep 27^th, 2023 at 9:40am freediver wrote on Sep 26^th, 2023 at 3:09pm: Do you think it is possible for me to sell myself into slavery? eBay Category. Slavery. Very nice Australian boy, clean, virgin. Talks too much but going cheap. Has been trained to swim, dive and be a turtle. $ 23 , be early he won't last long at this price. Bitcoin accepted.
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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 47276 Gender:	Re: What is a 'right'? Reply #143 - Sep 27^th, 2023 at 10:30am Well we know Chimera (LTYC) is Gay. He can't give a 'straight' answer.
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Re: What is a 'right'?
Reply #144 - Sep 27^th, 2023 at 11:42am

chimera wrote on Sep 27^th, 2023 at 6:03am:

So the nonsense shows the right to housing is not a permanent human attribute.

Housing is desirable, and desired by all; hence we (somewhat confusedly) say it is a right

But nature (floods, earthquakes) and men often deny people access to housing.

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The following sentences are dead serious with no sarcasm.

Rome is claimed to be the 'eternal city'. Aeneid, an epic by Virgil, the poet describes ancient Rome this way: “Imeprium sine fine,” which translates in English as “an empire without end.”
Hitler’s “thousand-year Reich” would serve as the natural conclusion of a process that he traced back to the coronation of Charlemagne in 800.

Ok (except I thought Hitler thought he would be the founder of a 1000 year Reich).

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The UN says that free and secret elections are permanent and inalienable within humans.

Yes, continuing the confusion over the concept of "rights".

While everyone desires housing, not everyone desires blind-leading-the-blind "free elections". Many were horrified by the US Capitol riots.

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Re: What is a 'right'?
Reply #145 - Sep 27^th, 2023 at 11:55am

freediver wrote on Sep 27^th, 2023 at 8:30am:

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So the nonsense shows the right to housing is not a permanent human attribute.

Another brilliant insight. We are not turtles.

1. Most creatures including humans need 'homes'; therefore humans confusedly say we have a 'right' to housing (because the need for housing is permanent.

2. Re the silly discussion re anatomy parts, harvesting of organs for the benefit of some people, to the detriment of others, is evil; though a person may donate a kidney for a loved one. Meanwhile much 'voluntary' organ donation is caused by the poverty of the giver seeking monetary gain.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48814 At my desk.	Re: What is a 'right'? Reply #146 - Sep 27^th, 2023 at 12:14pm Quote: therefore humans confusedly say we have a 'right' to housing When was the last time someone told you that?
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Re: What is a 'right'?
Reply #147 - Sep 27^th, 2023 at 12:25pm

freediver wrote on Sep 27^th, 2023 at 12:14pm:

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therefore humans confusedly say we have a 'right' to housing

When was the last time someone told you that?

This lot - but our Keffir have brought them into disrepute with their voice...

https://www.ohchr.org/en/special-procedures/sr-housing/human-right-adequate-hous...

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Re: What is a 'right'?
Reply #148 - Sep 27^th, 2023 at 12:45pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Sep 27^th, 2023 at 12:25pm:

freediver wrote on Sep 27^th, 2023 at 12:14pm:

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therefore humans confusedly say we have a 'right' to housing

When was the last time someone told you that?

This lot - but our Keffir have brought them into disrepute with their voice...

https://www.ohchr.org/en/special-procedures/sr-housing/human-right-adequate-hous...

"Housing is a right, not a commodity"...according to the nice people at the UN.

Thanks, graps; you answered fraudiver for me.

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10507 armidale Gender:	Re: What is a 'right'? Reply #149 - Sep 27^th, 2023 at 2:07pm Jasin wrote on Sep 27^th, 2023 at 10:30am: Well we know Chimera (LTYC) is Gay. He can't give a 'straight' answer. You have eye-problems, JaSin, double vision is it? Skull injury from boxing? Yes, it is possible for freediver to be sold. He was bought by Mr Sadist Lashim of Saudi Arabia. Permanently. Inalienably. Right?
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