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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48814 At my desk.	Re: What is a 'right'? Reply #285 - Oct 8^th, 2023 at 10:35am Quote: It says 'endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,'. They claimed that the rights existed [in law] before 1776. Again, you fail to comprehend what is written in plain English. Did the CCP tell you that the lawmakers are your creator?
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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10507 armidale Gender:	Re: What is a 'right'? Reply #286 - Oct 8^th, 2023 at 10:37am thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 8^th, 2023 at 9:29am: In my view, in the cerebral cortex, But not in the ancient world. Slavery was in their cortex.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48814 At my desk.	Re: What is a 'right'? Reply #287 - Oct 8^th, 2023 at 10:38am Are you still trying to figure this out from your biology textbook?
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Reply #288 - Oct 8^th, 2023 at 10:44am

chimera wrote on Oct 8^th, 2023 at 10:34am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 8^th, 2023 at 8:43am:

The US Constitution declares that certain rights are inalienable, which means you cannot surrender those rights in any way that would be respected by law.

It says 'endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,'. They claimed that the rights existed [in law] before 1776. So the US Declaration was in force by Moses, Adam and angels , Amen.

You need to understand that the authors of the US Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were mostly atheists, but they sold themselves as deists to appease, particularly, the ultra-religious Puritans of the north.

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10507 armidale Gender:	Re: What is a 'right'? Reply #289 - Oct 8^th, 2023 at 10:45am freediver wrote on Oct 8^th, 2023 at 10:35am: Quote: It says 'endowed by their Creator . Did the CCP tell you that the lawmakers are your creator? So where did the Creator make legal rights not to be enslaved? When was he President (don't say 2017 to 2021). Anyway Trump isn't that old.
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Reply #290 - Oct 8^th, 2023 at 10:45am

chimera wrote on Oct 8^th, 2023 at 10:45am:

freediver wrote on Oct 8^th, 2023 at 10:35am:

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It says 'endowed by their Creator .

Did the CCP tell you that the lawmakers are your creator?

So where did the Creator make legal rights not to be enslaved?
When was he President (don't say 2017 to 2021). Anyway Trump isn't that old.

Laws are created by men.

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10507 armidale Gender:	Re: What is a 'right'? Reply #291 - Oct 8^th, 2023 at 10:47am freediver wrote on Oct 8^th, 2023 at 10:38am: your biology textbook? TGD wrote 'the cortex'. Where does fd say the right existed as an inherent fact from the beginning?
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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10507 armidale Gender:	Re: What is a 'right'? Reply #292 - Oct 8^th, 2023 at 10:48am freediver wrote on Oct 8^th, 2023 at 10:45am: Laws are created by men. Good boy! You have done well today. Men. Not the Creator. Good.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48814 At my desk.	Re: What is a 'right'? Reply #293 - Oct 8^th, 2023 at 10:48am chimera wrote on Oct 8^th, 2023 at 10:47am: freediver wrote on Oct 8^th, 2023 at 10:38am: your biology textbook? TGD wrote 'the cortex'. Where does fd say the right existed as an inherent fact from the beginning? Good question. Where do I say that?
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Frank Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 43830 Gender:	Re: What is a 'right'? Reply #294 - Oct 8^th, 2023 at 11:03am chimera wrote on Oct 8^th, 2023 at 10:48am: freediver wrote on Oct 8^th, 2023 at 10:45am: Laws are created by men. Good boy! You have done well today. Men. Not the Creator. Good. And with free will he created them.
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Reply #295 - Oct 8^th, 2023 at 11:08am

freediver wrote on Oct 8^th, 2023 at 10:48am:

Where do I say that?

If it's not biology, then where does fd believe it exists?
The UN says 'Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world,'.
Belief in an ideal is not proof it already existed.

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Reply #296 - Oct 8^th, 2023 at 11:09am

chimera wrote on Oct 8^th, 2023 at 10:37am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 8^th, 2023 at 9:29am:

In my view, in the cerebral cortex,

But not in the ancient world. Slavery was in their cortex.

Men - since the beginning of being 'homo sapiens" - experience an inexorable civilizing process, moving from the primitivism of 'natural law' (based on "might is right"), to man-made law. (eg Hammurabi defining 'justice', with laws written down for the first time in history).

Hence the slaughter of the natural world, as directed by instinctive 'survival of the fitttest' natural processes, is gradually replaced by the laws of men (during the civilizing process), based on cortex-grounded conceptions of 'justice'.

That Aristotle could happily employ a slave is a reflection of the economic system in which he lived; the economy would collapse into primitivism without slaves.

No doubt Aristotle - possessing a cortex - gave his slave all the freedom he wanted, within the limits of the system as it existed.

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10507 armidale Gender:	Re: What is a 'right'? Reply #297 - Oct 8^th, 2023 at 11:11am Frank wrote on Oct 8^th, 2023 at 11:03am: And with free will he created them. That will gave slavery until two centuries ago in UK, US. There were laws in the Bible for Israel's slaves. It was possible to become a slave to pay debts. So technically, Israel has slavery today. Leviticus 25. 47-52. Deuteronomy 15 12.
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Reply #298 - Oct 8^th, 2023 at 11:16am

chimera wrote on Oct 8^th, 2023 at 11:11am:

Frank wrote on Oct 8^th, 2023 at 11:03am:

And with free will he created them.

That will gave slavery until two centuries ago in UK, US. There were laws in the Bible for Israel's slaves. It was possible to become a slave to pay debts. So technically, Israel has slavery today.
Leviticus 25. 47-52. Deuteronomy 15 12.

So there's no free will?

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10507 armidale Gender:	Re: What is a 'right'? Reply #299 - Oct 8^th, 2023 at 11:20am Free will exists as slavery exists. The claim of the Creator's denial of slavery is false. The claim of human avoidance of slavery is false. Jesus said to treat slaves in a loving brotherly way. You are free to do that to your slave or kick him in the backside on Sundays.
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