freediver wrote on Oct 10
th, 2023 at 11:20am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 10
th, 2023 at 10:42am:
freediver wrote on Oct 10
th, 2023 at 10:13am:
Quote:I asked for some examples of 'alienable rights', you obfuscated with a description of what rights are, namely,
The
right to a fair trial.
At last, well done (...it's like pulling teeth...)
A "fair" trial is highly desirable (to the cortex brain, the reptilian brain doesn't give a rat's a**e. ), but is not an 'inalienable right', because it is often abused by political considerations, even within legal authorities claiming allegiance to
inalieanable individual rights, eg, the gross abuse of Assange's liberty.
Again, you are confused about what inalienable right means.
Please tell us what it means - this time other than with resort to terms like "inter subjective reality" which most people have not heard of, as you said.
I am saying the quicker we understand "rights" do not exist as objective reality, the better for successful governance of the world....
Quote:Would you accept that they exist as an intersubjective reality?
Yes, and I have already explained why they are are both subjective and illusion.
Quote:Do you think I am lying to you when I say that I am not a slave, I do not own slaves,
No
Quote:and they are entirely missing from my reality?
Your subjective reality (subjective by definition - it's YOUR reality) is the problem here; you ARE content with both wage slavery, and poisonous welfare slavery.
Quote:But that they were also very real for many people in the past?
Yes.
Quote:TGD
No; China is moving away from slavery
I meant, only a tiny minority have the right to vote. Less than in ancient Athens.
So what? There is no "right" to vote; and a one-party meritocracy dedicated to 'common prosperity' has the capacity - if it is clever, that is - to create
"a prosperous socialist society in all respects" (the goal expected to be realized in the 2049 centenary celebrations of the CCP government in China).
Quote:TGD: "If you don't know, vote no....": heaven help us!"
Your disapproval of how others vote, and democracy in general, is not the same thing as them not having the right to vote.
True, except as I said, the "right" to vote is an illusion based on blind (ie, instinctive reptilian-brain directed) self-interest; and the inability of the democracies to deal with endless wars and entrenched poverty will only become increasingly apparent, as the global economy buckles under AGW climate change, global pollution, and crippling national debt, including under democratic governance.