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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 105606 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Does Atheism really exist? Reply #135 - Sep 28^th, 2023 at 7:22am Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 7:11am: LOL, you really are unbelievably stupid and totally ignorant. Enough here - continued on PA: https://www.polanimal.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74&p=332759#p332759
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47501 Gender:	Re: Does Atheism really exist? Reply #136 - Sep 28^th, 2023 at 7:24am The sewer, nah.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47501 Gender:	Re: Does Atheism really exist? Reply #137 - Sep 28^th, 2023 at 7:26am You know that when “Lisa” goes on a screeching tirade “she” acts like a harridan. Set did not say whether Linus is my sock.
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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #138 - Sep 28^th, 2023 at 8:23am

Setanta wrote on Sep 27^th, 2023 at 9:58pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 27^th, 2023 at 9:43pm:

Setanta wrote on Sep 27^th, 2023 at 9:39pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 27^th, 2023 at 9:33pm:

Setanta wrote on Sep 27^th, 2023 at 9:32pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 27^th, 2023 at 8:58pm:

Hi Set,
can you please do as all a favor and check out Linus?

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=Alien777

We have reason to believe that it's a Monk sock puppet. Wink

I get "The user whose profile you are trying to view does not exist!" if I click your link.

Sorry it needs a dot at the end here:

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=Alien777.

That works. Still of no interest to me. We can all wear our socks, no law against warm feet..

But Monk has denied that it's his sock puppet so we could prove that he's a liar. Wink

I know he is a liar, you know he is a liar, everyone is aware of his hysterics, we should be content in seeing him for what he is.

Whether people have socks or not does not concern me unless they are using them to bypass a ban.

Set...we know exactly what Dumbarse Drunk is - a long term unemployed lazy alcoholic bankrupt and a thief who steals money from others and who we enjoy making fun of AND/OR posting over. The 80 yr old Demented Drunk is an object of ridicule and disdain which is why Freediver himself who owns OzPol had to change the forum rules to specifically mention Drunk’s ID so as to warn all posters about how dangerous he is.

Thanks for dropping by last night and pwning the Dumbarse Dhead Drunk’s arse until he had no choice but to log off and run away. Mind you .... Drunk’s last alcohol fried brain cell won’t remember anything so no doubt he’ll be back to re invent and confabulate events which took place last night so as to match his disturbed and unhinged sense of delusional reality. Don’t worry Set .... we’ll be sure to continue what we all did last night ie laugh AT him/post over him/make fun OF him. 😂🤣😆

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Reply #139 - Sep 28^th, 2023 at 8:30am

Just trying to find the topic....

Ahhhh here it is. I had finished pwning the Fake Multi Mong shared ID Lienus.

Linus wrote on Sep 27^th, 2023 at 1:28pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 27^th, 2023 at 1:21pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 27^th, 2023 at 1:08pm:

Linus wrote on Sep 27^th, 2023 at 11:20am:

You're an old harridan pretending to be younger than you are.
---->"Luncheon"<------ Pushing 70 plus, I'd say. Grin

Monk - is that you pretending to be Linus?

The first time in my life that I saw the word harridan
was when you used it here on Ozpolitic a few years ago.

harridan
a strict, bossy, or belligerent old woman.

You're sprung.
I reckon Linus is your sock puppet.

It’s a fake shared Mong ID. NotSoGreat ie Bwian is also using it. I sprung those 2ids the same way. Also the same time.

LOL, I was wrong. You're still accusing me of being someone else. I'm not. You're pathetic, Lisa Jones. Lost to the real world and lost to your god. You're living in your own wonderland talking to characters of your own creation but not the characters you're actually talking to or about.

On top of your narcissism do you also have a little schizo going on? Roll Eyes

Just for you Lienus - irrespective of your shared multi Mong nics - the particular and unique brand of unhinged mental illness you few idiots share and which help to keep you cyber lepers together ALWAYS give you away.

Have another read you passive aggressive gaslighting prick 👇

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So when you then have a dummy spit and cry and play the pathetic victim then suddenly change tact and announce that you prefer civil discourse I immediately think to myself : this guy is insane/is in need of more medication/needs a further psychiatric assessment because he’s definitely exhibiting borderline personality disorder and/or schizophrenia and God knows what else.

As regards your mate Dumbarse Drunk - we know it’s frontal lobal dementia playing out on the brain of an 80 yr old long term alcoholic recluse. As such we just post over him or make fun of him. We don’t even read the rubbish he smears. Nor do we bother with his sub forum padded cell where he chats to himself for hours.

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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #140 - Sep 28^th, 2023 at 8:47am

Frank wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2023 at 9:39pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2023 at 6:40pm:

It is a belief because no one has shown a shred of evidence that Gawd or gods exist.

It probably isn’t a belief like religious faith is a belief, just a realisation that there is no evidence AT ALL that gods exist. But there is absolutely no evidence for or against a supernatural daddy.

Atheism is not a movement or anything like that. It is something someone just realises is the only possible intellectual position.

Sure, after thinking about all this the evils of religion—and not just in the past “praying to convert {someone} from homosexuality” causes immense psychological harm. Believing in something that doesn’t exist and trying to force the world to fit whatever belief in the impossible you hold is going to cause friction no matter what!

Well, there have been many, many people who testified to their own encounter with god.
Atheism is a belief, of course, because what it responds to is also a belief.

No it doesn't. Atheism isn't a response to your God. Your God is irrelevant.

And so are everybody else's.

But everybody else's are irrelevant to you. You placate yourself by having "faith" that you are right.

Atheism is an up yours to all of that. It doesn't exist in defiance, it exists through reason.

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Reply #141 - Sep 28^th, 2023 at 8:54am

Setanta wrote on Sep 27^th, 2023 at 6:41pm:

Yes atheism exists, I don't have a belief god(s) exist, I don't have a religion and I don't have a Bugatti Veyron. If you think that means I believe I have no god, I believe I have no religion and I only believe I do not own a Bugatti Veyron, please help me find my missing car.

Ha!

Ok Set ....could you please tell me WHY you CHOOSE not to believe in God?

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35486 Gender:	Re: Does Atheism really exist? Reply #142 - Sep 28^th, 2023 at 9:06am Just finished reading ... man this thread is a hoot and a half! Linus is his own guy and a guy of significant merit. And man, does he have Larry nailed.
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Reply #143 - Sep 28^th, 2023 at 9:09am

mothra wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 8:47am:

Frank wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2023 at 9:39pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2023 at 6:40pm:

It is a belief because no one has shown a shred of evidence that Gawd or gods exist.

It probably isn’t a belief like religious faith is a belief, just a realisation that there is no evidence AT ALL that gods exist. But there is absolutely no evidence for or against a supernatural daddy.

Atheism is not a movement or anything like that. It is something someone just realises is the only possible intellectual position.

Sure, after thinking about all this the evils of religion—and not just in the past “praying to convert {someone} from homosexuality” causes immense psychological harm. Believing in something that doesn’t exist and trying to force the world to fit whatever belief in the impossible you hold is going to cause friction no matter what!

Well, there have been many, many people who testified to their own encounter with god.
Atheism is a belief, of course, because what it responds to is also a belief.

No it doesn't. Atheism isn't a response to your God. Your God is irrelevant.

And so are everybody else's.

But everybody else's are irrelevant to you. You placate yourself by having "faith" that you are right.

Atheism is an up yours to all of that. It doesn't exist in defiance, it exists through reason.

I didn't say atheism is a response to God.

I said atheism is a belief in response to another belief, the one that does believe in a god in some way.
It is a belief itself about another belief. Both are beliefs about the fundamental nature of the world. One - the older belief - posits a god of its own imagining. Atheism - no-godism - in response posits that there is no God of any kind in its imagining.
An illustration : a furnished room is defined by the concept of furniture. An unfurnished room is also defined by the use of the concept of furniture even as there isn't any in it. The concept of furniture is central to the definitions of both furnished and unfurnished.

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Reply #144 - Sep 28^th, 2023 at 9:12am

Frank wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 9:09am:

mothra wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 8:47am:

Frank wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2023 at 9:39pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2023 at 6:40pm:

It is a belief because no one has shown a shred of evidence that Gawd or gods exist.

It probably isn’t a belief like religious faith is a belief, just a realisation that there is no evidence AT ALL that gods exist. But there is absolutely no evidence for or against a supernatural daddy.

Atheism is not a movement or anything like that. It is something someone just realises is the only possible intellectual position.

Sure, after thinking about all this the evils of religion—and not just in the past “praying to convert {someone} from homosexuality” causes immense psychological harm. Believing in something that doesn’t exist and trying to force the world to fit whatever belief in the impossible you hold is going to cause friction no matter what!

Well, there have been many, many people who testified to their own encounter with god.
Atheism is a belief, of course, because what it responds to is also a belief.

No it doesn't. Atheism isn't a response to your God. Your God is irrelevant.

And so are everybody else's.

But everybody else's are irrelevant to you. You placate yourself by having "faith" that you are right.

Atheism is an up yours to all of that. It doesn't exist in defiance, it exists through reason.

I didn't say atheism is a response to God.

I said atheism is a belief in response to another belief, the one that does believe in a god in some way.
It is a belief itself about another belief. Both are beliefs about the fundamental nature of the world. One - the older belief - posits a god of its own imagining. Atheism - no-godism - in response posits that there is no God of any kind in its imagining.
An illustration : a furnished room is defined by the concept of furniture. An unfurnished room is also defined by the use of the concept of furniture even as there isn't any in it. The concept of furniture is central to the definitions of both furnished and unfurnished.

No Frank. It is the absence of belief.

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Reply #145 - Sep 28^th, 2023 at 9:15am

In 1987, Bush Sr. held a formal news conference at
O'Hare Airport on his campaign trail.

There Robert Sherman, an accredited reporter for
American Atheist Magazine—by invitation a
participating member of the press corps covering
the national candidates—had the following exchange
with then-Vice-President George H.W. Bush.

Sherman: What will you do to win the votes of the
Americans who are atheists?

Bush: I guess I'm pretty weak in the atheist
community. Faith in God is important to me.

Sherman: Surely you recognize the equal
citizenship and patriotism of Americans who are
atheists?

Bush: No, I don't know that atheists should
be considered as citizens, nor should they be
considered patriots. This is one nation under God.

Sherman [somewhat taken aback]: Do you support
as a sound constitutional principle the separation of
state and church?

Bush: Yes, I support the separation of church and
state. I'm just not very high on atheists.

Unbelievably, two years later, this moron became the
president of the most powerful (then) country in the
world. What was the American electorate thinking back in
those days? Were they maybe the parents of the fools
who voted for Trump in 2016? Is it possible for defective
neurophysical genes to be carried over to the next generation?

Or do Republican voters have slightly lower IQs than
the rest of the American citizenry?

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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #146 - Sep 28^th, 2023 at 9:17am

Setanta wrote on Sep 27^th, 2023 at 6:41pm:

Yes atheism exists, I don't have a belief god(s) exist, I don't have a religion and I don't have a Bugatti Veyron. If you think that means I believe I have no god, I believe I have no religion and I only believe I do not own a Bugatti Veyron, please help me find my missing car.

Ha!

Ok Set ....could you please tell me WHY you CHOOSE not to believe in God?

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Reply #147 - Sep 28^th, 2023 at 9:22am

mothra wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 9:12am:

Frank wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 9:09am:

mothra wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 8:47am:

Frank wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2023 at 9:39pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2023 at 6:40pm:

It is a belief because no one has shown a shred of evidence that Gawd or gods exist.

It probably isn’t a belief like religious faith is a belief, just a realisation that there is no evidence AT ALL that gods exist. But there is absolutely no evidence for or against a supernatural daddy.

Atheism is not a movement or anything like that. It is something someone just realises is the only possible intellectual position.

Sure, after thinking about all this the evils of religion—and not just in the past “praying to convert {someone} from homosexuality” causes immense psychological harm. Believing in something that doesn’t exist and trying to force the world to fit whatever belief in the impossible you hold is going to cause friction no matter what!

Well, there have been many, many people who testified to their own encounter with god.
Atheism is a belief, of course, because what it responds to is also a belief.

No it doesn't. Atheism isn't a response to your God. Your God is irrelevant.

And so are everybody else's.

But everybody else's are irrelevant to you. You placate yourself by having "faith" that you are right.

Atheism is an up yours to all of that. It doesn't exist in defiance, it exists through reason.

I didn't say atheism is a response to God.

I said atheism is a belief in response to another belief, the one that does believe in a god in some way.
It is a belief itself about another belief. Both are beliefs about the fundamental nature of the world. One - the older belief - posits a god of its own imagining. Atheism - no-godism - in response posits that there is no God of any kind in its imagining.
An illustration : a furnished room is defined by the concept of furniture. An unfurnished room is also defined by the use of the concept of furniture even as there isn't any in it. The concept of furniture is central to the definitions of both furnished and unfurnished.

No Frank. It is the absence of belief.

Which itself is a belief, obviously. It says, "I believe this, I don't believe that".

Science is a belief system.

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Reply #148 - Sep 28^th, 2023 at 9:27am

Frank wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 9:22am:

mothra wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 9:12am:

Frank wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 9:09am:

mothra wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 8:47am:

Frank wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2023 at 9:39pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2023 at 6:40pm:

It is a belief because no one has shown a shred of evidence that Gawd or gods exist.

It probably isn’t a belief like religious faith is a belief, just a realisation that there is no evidence AT ALL that gods exist. But there is absolutely no evidence for or against a supernatural daddy.

Atheism is not a movement or anything like that. It is something someone just realises is the only possible intellectual position.

Sure, after thinking about all this the evils of religion—and not just in the past “praying to convert {someone} from homosexuality” causes immense psychological harm. Believing in something that doesn’t exist and trying to force the world to fit whatever belief in the impossible you hold is going to cause friction no matter what!

Well, there have been many, many people who testified to their own encounter with god.
Atheism is a belief, of course, because what it responds to is also a belief.

No it doesn't. Atheism isn't a response to your God. Your God is irrelevant.

And so are everybody else's.

But everybody else's are irrelevant to you. You placate yourself by having "faith" that you are right.

Atheism is an up yours to all of that. It doesn't exist in defiance, it exists through reason.

I didn't say atheism is a response to God.

I said atheism is a belief in response to another belief, the one that does believe in a god in some way.
It is a belief itself about another belief. Both are beliefs about the fundamental nature of the world. One - the older belief - posits a god of its own imagining. Atheism - no-godism - in response posits that there is no God of any kind in its imagining.
An illustration : a furnished room is defined by the concept of furniture. An unfurnished room is also defined by the use of the concept of furniture even as there isn't any in it. The concept of furniture is central to the definitions of both furnished and unfurnished.

No Frank. It is the absence of belief.

Which itself is a belief, obviously. It says, "I believe this, I don't believe that".

Science is a belief system.

That's a separate argument from saying atheism exists as a response to religion.

The prefix 'a' doesn't mean against, it means without.

As to atheism being a belief in itself however, i agree with you. I am agnostic. I consider myself unqualified to be anything more.

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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #149 - Sep 28^th, 2023 at 9:29am

AusGeoff wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 9:15am:

In 1987, Bush Sr. held a formal news conference at
O'Hare Airport on his campaign trail.

There Robert Sherman, an accredited reporter for
American Atheist Magazine—by invitation a
participating member of the press corps covering
the national candidates—had the following exchange
with then-Vice-President George H.W. Bush.

Sherman: What will you do to win the votes of the
Americans who are atheists?

Bush: I guess I'm pretty weak in the atheist
community. Faith in God is important to me.

Sherman: Surely you recognize the equal
citizenship and patriotism of Americans who are
atheists?

Bush: No, I don't know that atheists should
be considered as citizens, nor should they be
considered patriots. This is one nation under God.

Sherman [somewhat taken aback]: Do you support
as a sound constitutional principle the separation of
state and church?

Bush: Yes, I support the separation of church and
state. I'm just not very high on atheists.

Unbelievably, two years later, this moron became the
president of the most powerful (then) country in the
world. What was the American electorate thinking back in
those days? Were they maybe the parents of the fools
who voted for Trump in 2016? Is it possible for defective
neurophysical genes to be carried over to the next generation?

Or do Republican voters have slightly lower IQs than
the rest of the American citizenry?

Obviosly, Sweepin' Sage of Outer Gippsland. Another Republican moron:
https://www.abrahamlincolnonline.org/lincoln/speeches/faithquotes.htm

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Question: Atheism - how do YOU define it?
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