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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #390 - Oct 1^st, 2023 at 6:51pm

Frank wrote on Oct 1^st, 2023 at 3:57pm:

Secondly, because some form of theism has existed among all peoples at all times, theism is readily understood WITHOUT any need for or reference to atheism.

What? This doesn't make any sort of sense. It also
means (as I thought) that you don't really understand
the concept of atheism. It's just a word of convenience
used to describe one's state of mind, that's all.

Frank wrote on Oct 1^st, 2023 at 3:57pm:

Atheism, on the other hand, being a recentish reaction to theism, is impossible to understand or conceptualise without reference the theism.

Again, no it isn't. You have no belief in unicorns, but
that doesn't mean they exist. Just as I have no belief
in God. Same thing.

Atheism is not an affirmative belief that there is no
God nor does it answer any other question about what
a person believes. It is simply a rejection of the
assertion that there are gods. Atheism is too often
defined incorrectly as a belief system.

Frank wrote on Oct 1^st, 2023 at 3:57pm:

Atheism is meaningless without god, to illustrate its paradox.

Nope. Wrong again Frank. You might like to check out
this Britannica entry to find out more about atheism.

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 48879 Gender:	Re: Does Atheism really exist? Reply #391 - Oct 1^st, 2023 at 6:59pm So what does Atheism have to offer then? Does it have rules, affirmations, a sense of fashion other than wearing black skivvys and drinking cafe lattes in Darlinghurst??? Seems Atheism lacks any substance at all, let alone an industry of its own. It's right up there with Planet X.
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issuevoter Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9200 The Great State of Mind Gender:	Re: Does Atheism really exist? Reply #392 - Oct 1^st, 2023 at 7:38pm The problem for Atheists and God Freaks is the same lack of imagination.
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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #393 - Oct 1^st, 2023 at 7:42pm

AusGeoff wrote on Oct 1^st, 2023 at 6:51pm:

It is simply a rejection of the assertion that there are gods.

Which is what I said: there could be NO atheism without theism.

But there has been theism everywhere without atheism.

Theism is the sock. Atheism is the hole in it. You can have a sock without a hole, you can't have a hole without the sock.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47507 Gender:	Re: Does Atheism really exist? Reply #394 - Oct 1^st, 2023 at 7:52pm Only now because religion is all around. Religion, thankfully, is declining. There will be a time when it no longer exists, then there is atheism without god.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47507 Gender:	Re: Does Atheism really exist? Reply #395 - Oct 1^st, 2023 at 7:54pm Can reformulate atheism as the knowledge that the physical world is all there is. No theism involved.
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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #396 - Oct 1^st, 2023 at 8:11pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 1^st, 2023 at 7:54pm:

Can reformulate atheism as the knowledge that the physical world is all there is. No theism involved.

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 1^st, 2023 at 7:52pm:

Only now because religion is all around. Religion, thankfully, is declining. There will be a time when it no longer exists, then there is atheism without god.

Touchingly simple-minded. Atheism is ALWAYS a negation. If you want to 'reformulated atheism, say it without (!) referring to theism. Go on.

Religion is not declining everywhere. Abos want to put theirs in the constitution and a secular Labor party, the Geens and corporations are with them on that. Muslims are not repenting, nor Hindus nor Christians in Africa. Nor Jews.
Yeah, with Anglicans belief in God is optional.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47507 Gender:	Re: Does Atheism really exist? Reply #397 - Oct 1^st, 2023 at 8:20pm Religion is declining. Look through the For Sale ads in realestate.com.au, plenty former churches for sale. No, religion is declining and good that it is doing that.
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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 48879 Gender:	Re: Does Atheism really exist? Reply #398 - Oct 1^st, 2023 at 8:25pm Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 1^st, 2023 at 8:20pm: Religion is declining. Look through the For Sale ads in realestate.com.au, plenty former churches for sale. No, religion is declining and good that it is doing that.
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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 46817 Gender:	Re: Does Atheism really exist? Reply #399 - Oct 1^st, 2023 at 8:38pm Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 1^st, 2023 at 8:20pm: Religion is declining. Look through the For Sale ads in realestate.com.au, plenty former churches for sale. No, religion is declining and good that it is doing that. Being a hopeless parochial, you think there is only one religion.
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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #400 - Oct 1^st, 2023 at 11:00pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 1^st, 2023 at 8:20pm:

Religion is declining.

Look through the For Sale ads in realestate.com.au, plenty former churches for sale. No, religion is declining and good that it is doing that.

Some religions are declining thanks to Labor and the Greens we're importing lots of muslims who like converting old churches into mosques.

Quite common for muslims to do this here is one example
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hagia_Sophia

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47507 Gender:	Re: Does Atheism really exist? Reply #401 - Oct 2^nd, 2023 at 6:02am And a lot of churches are converted into houses. Cool.
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issuevoter Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9200 The Great State of Mind Gender:	Re: Does Atheism really exist? Reply #402 - Oct 2^nd, 2023 at 9:09am Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2023 at 6:02am: And a lot of churches are converted into houses. Cool. That does not seem to be the case with religions in general, just the Christians.
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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 46817 Gender:	Re: Does Atheism really exist? Reply #403 - Oct 2^nd, 2023 at 9:12am Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2023 at 6:02am: And a lot of churches are converted into houses. Cool. Too small for the evangelical mega churches.
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 58694 Here Gender:	Re: Does Atheism really exist? Reply #404 - Oct 2^nd, 2023 at 9:19am Quote: Does Atheism really exist? The answer like it or not is undeniably YES Anything else here is just window dressing.
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