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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #555 - Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:39pm

Frank wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:32pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:21pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:16pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:05pm:

Having a bit of a squirm, fruitbat?

Atheist require no label. To not believe in a god is the default position.

How can you not understand this? I've only been saying it all damn thread long.

It's you god botherers intent on labels; heathens, pagans, heretics etc.

These days most of you just say athiest.

So what IS the word for that default position? Why is it defined with reference to theism?

I asked you repeatedly - define it without reference to god/s. If it was really the default position, you could say what it is without ever needing the word or concept of god/s.

Go ahead, demonstrate.

Oh my god.

There would be no requirement to define atheism if it weren't for the fact that god was invented by humans and the people that buy into it need to label people who don't.

Atheism. Is. The. Default. Position.

I am asking you to list the cultures that were default atheist BEFORE they invented god/s.

It's your idea, you should be able to back it up with EMPIRICAL evidence, something atheists are keen on.

Trying to hide your stupidity under a bushel, fruitbat?

You know what the empirical evidence says? That over the course of human history, religion has done far more to hinder and harry humankind than it has come even close to in providing benefits.

We exist despite religion, not because of it.

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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #556 - Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:41pm

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:39pm:

You know what the empirical evidence says? That over the course of human history, religion has done far more to hinder and harry humankind than it has come even close to in providing benefits.

We exist despite religion, not because of it.

Aww, please... Genghis Khan? Hitler? Stalin? Mao?

The Renascence succeeded because of the Catholic Church not in spite of it.

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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #557 - Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:43pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:41pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:39pm:

You know what the empirical evidence says? That over the course of human history, religion has done far more to hinder and harry humankind than it has come even close to in providing benefits.

We exist despite religion, not because of it.

Aww, please... Genghis Khan? Hitler? Stalin? Mao?

As i previously said, there are exceptions. They are the overwhelming minority however.

What has not yet been said in this thread that i am aware of and yet profoundly true that through most of history, organised religion has been used as a form of control and dominion.

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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #558 - Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:45pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 4:59pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 4:39pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 4:31pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 4:21pm:

1. THEISM - In Greek means THE BELIEF IN GOD

2. ATHEISM- In Greek means THE BELIEF IN NO GOD

Atheism is not a 'believing in' - it is a disbelief.

Atheists do not 'believe in no god', they disbelieve in the existence of god - in the same way that most adults disbelieve in the existence of Santa Claus - no one 'believes in' the nonexistence of Santa Claus.

Are you suddenly Greek? Of course not!

Not only is Modern Greek my 1st language - I also have an Arts degree with a High Distinction in Modern Greek.

Bottom line? Zip it.

Atheists do not 'believe in' the non-existence of god - they disbelieve in the existence of god.

Listen here ignorant multi fraud troll:

1. Atheists CHOOSE to believe that God doesn’t exist.

2. Theists CHOOSE to believe that God does exist.

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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #559 - Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:47pm

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:43pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:41pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:39pm:

You know what the empirical evidence says? That over the course of human history, religion has done far more to hinder and harry humankind than it has come even close to in providing benefits.

We exist despite religion, not because of it.

Aww, please... Genghis Khan? Hitler? Stalin? Mao?

As i previously said, there are exceptions. They are the overwhelming minority however.

Are they? Who or what is in the majority?

You're out of your depth.

Religion has been with humans since the dawn of civilisation and it bound peoples to cultural ideas who would otherwise have had little in common and little reason to cooperate with each other.

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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #560 - Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:48pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:45pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 4:59pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 4:39pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 4:31pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 4:21pm:

1. THEISM - In Greek means THE BELIEF IN GOD

2. ATHEISM- In Greek means THE BELIEF IN NO GOD

Atheism is not a 'believing in' - it is a disbelief.

Atheists do not 'believe in no god', they disbelieve in the existence of god - in the same way that most adults disbelieve in the existence of Santa Claus - no one 'believes in' the nonexistence of Santa Claus.

Are you suddenly Greek? Of course not!

Not only is Modern Greek my 1st language - I also have an Arts degree with a High Distinction in Modern Greek.

Bottom line? Zip it.

Atheists do not 'believe in' the non-existence of god - they disbelieve in the existence of god.

Listen here ignorant multi fraud troll:

1. Atheists CHOOSE to believe that God doesn’t exist.

2. Theists CHOOSE to believe that God does exist.

Take a valium and settle down. You are not competent enough for this thread.

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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #561 - Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:50pm

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:39pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:32pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:21pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:16pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:05pm:

Having a bit of a squirm, fruitbat?

Atheist require no label. To not believe in a god is the default position.

How can you not understand this? I've only been saying it all damn thread long.

It's you god botherers intent on labels; heathens, pagans, heretics etc.

These days most of you just say athiest.

So what IS the word for that default position? Why is it defined with reference to theism?

I asked you repeatedly - define it without reference to god/s. If it was really the default position, you could say what it is without ever needing the word or concept of god/s.

Go ahead, demonstrate.

Oh my god.

There would be no requirement to define atheism if it weren't for the fact that god was invented by humans and the people that buy into it need to label people who don't.

Atheism. Is. The. Default. Position.

I am asking you to list the cultures that were default atheist BEFORE they invented god/s.

It's your idea, you should be able to back it up with EMPIRICAL evidence, something atheists are keen on.

Trying to hide your stupidity under a bushel, fruitbat?

You know what the empirical evidence says? That over the course of human history, religion has done far more to hinder and harry humankind than it has come even close to in providing benefits.

We exist despite religion, not because of it.

I am asking you to list the cultures that were default atheist BEFORE they invented god/s.

It is your idea, back it up.

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12649 Gender:	Re: Does Atheism really exist? Reply #562 - Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:50pm mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:43pm: organised religion has been used as a form of control and dominion. Religion was used to bond disparate peoples into a cohesive community.
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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #563 - Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:53pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:47pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:43pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:41pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:39pm:

You know what the empirical evidence says? That over the course of human history, religion has done far more to hinder and harry humankind than it has come even close to in providing benefits.

We exist despite religion, not because of it.

Aww, please... Genghis Khan? Hitler? Stalin? Mao?

As i previously said, there are exceptions. They are the overwhelming minority however.

Are they? Who or what is in the majority?

You're out of your depth.

Religion has been with humans since the dawn of civilisation and it bound peoples to cultural ideas who would otherwise have had little in common and little reason to cooperate with each other.

What? People would have had no reason to cooperate with each other if it weren't for religion? Had little in common?

Existence and the means to sustain it not good enough for you? It certainly was for most of human history.

Religion, as opposed to simple spirituality, has been used for the most part throughout human history as a mechanism by which to control and assert dominion.

I'm seriously not getting the impression from any part of this thread that it is i who is out of their depth.

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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #564 - Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:54pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:50pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:43pm:

organised religion has been used as a form of control and dominion.

Religion was used to bond disparate peoples into a cohesive community.

Incorrect. Religion was used to intimidate people into compliance.

Again, you are mistaking religion with spirituality.

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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #565 - Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:58pm

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:53pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:47pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:43pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:41pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:39pm:

You know what the empirical evidence says? That over the course of human history, religion has done far more to hinder and harry humankind than it has come even close to in providing benefits.

We exist despite religion, not because of it.

Aww, please... Genghis Khan? Hitler? Stalin? Mao?

As i previously said, there are exceptions. They are the overwhelming minority however.

Are they? Who or what is in the majority?

You're out of your depth.

Religion has been with humans since the dawn of civilisation and it bound peoples to cultural ideas who would otherwise have had little in common and little reason to cooperate with each other.

What? People would have had no reason to cooperate with each other if it weren't for religion? Had little in common?

Existence and the means to sustain it not good enough for you? It certainly was for most of human history.

Religion, as opposed to simple spirituality, has been used for the most part throughout human history as a mechanism by which to control and assert dominion.

I'm seriously not getting the impression from any part of this thread that it is i who is out of their depth.

Why were the Arab tribes concerned when Emperor Justinian almost reunified the eastern and western Roma empire? What role did Islam play in uniting the Arab tribes against perceived threats from the north?

Religion in civilised society was absolutely necessary to overcome dangerous and lethal clanism and tribalism.

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 46800 Gender:	Re: Does Atheism really exist? Reply #566 - Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:59pm mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:53pm: Religion, as opposed to simple spirituality So you are cool with the Rainbow Serpent but not with Islam.
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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35486 Gender:	Re: Does Atheism really exist? Reply #567 - Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:00pm Frank wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:59pm: mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:53pm: Religion, as opposed to simple spirituality So you are cool with the Rainbow Serpent but not with Islam. I'm cool with both.
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Reply #568 - Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:01pm

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:54pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:50pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:43pm:

organised religion has been used as a form of control and dominion.

Religion was used to bond disparate peoples into a cohesive community.

Incorrect. Religion was used to intimidate people into compliance.

Again, you are mistaking religion with spirituality.

Explain the difference. You h ave been to uni, you should be able to do it easily and well.
Go.

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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #569 - Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:01pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:58pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:53pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:47pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:43pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:41pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:39pm:

You know what the empirical evidence says? That over the course of human history, religion has done far more to hinder and harry humankind than it has come even close to in providing benefits.

We exist despite religion, not because of it.

Aww, please... Genghis Khan? Hitler? Stalin? Mao?

As i previously said, there are exceptions. They are the overwhelming minority however.

Are they? Who or what is in the majority?

You're out of your depth.

Religion has been with humans since the dawn of civilisation and it bound peoples to cultural ideas who would otherwise have had little in common and little reason to cooperate with each other.

What? People would have had no reason to cooperate with each other if it weren't for religion? Had little in common?

Existence and the means to sustain it not good enough for you? It certainly was for most of human history.

Religion, as opposed to simple spirituality, has been used for the most part throughout human history as a mechanism by which to control and assert dominion.

I'm seriously not getting the impression from any part of this thread that it is i who is out of their depth.

Why were the Arab tribes concerned when Emperor Justinian almost reunified the eastern and western Roma empire? What role did Islam play in uniting the Arab tribes against perceived threats from the north?

Religion in civilised society was absolutely necessary to overcome dangerous and lethal clanism and tribalism.

Precisely. Control and dominion.

God knows what you imagine you're arguing with.

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