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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Does Atheism really exist? Reply #615 - Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:27pm Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:22pm: Could you 2 Atheists stop misquoting each other ... so we can get back to the topic?
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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #616 - Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:28pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:12pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:55pm:

I've given you a few clues ... control, dominion. plight of women, you could add fear and guilt ... keep thinking. See if you can come up with any more.

How about the promotion and advancement of science, art, culture, civilisation - all beneficiaries and projects of religions throughout history.

Those religions that did not advance these causes - nearly all of them died.

👆 BS of the highest order!

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Reply #617 - Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:29pm

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:26pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:22pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:17pm:

Look neckbeard, what i said is that religion is at the heart of most of the world's misery not the cause of it.

So, you're now saying that what you meant is that religion is at the heart of most of the world's misery not the cause of it.

What could 'at the heart of' mean other than 'the cause of'?

A distinction without a difference?

Or are you saying that religion just happened to be hanging around on the sidelines (an accidental witness?) when misery was upon the people?

Think. What do people, particularly throughout history, think when a disaster or ill-fortune of any kind occurs?

And how have people (and do some still) react to this?

So you're saying 'at the heart of' refers to ancient peoples, in lieu of a rational understanding of actual causes, often blaming god(s) for their misery.

Is that it?

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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #618 - Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:31pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:28pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:12pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:55pm:

I've given you a few clues ... control, dominion. plight of women, you could add fear and guilt ... keep thinking. See if you can come up with any more.

How about the promotion and advancement of science, art, culture, civilisation - all beneficiaries and projects of religions throughout history.

Those religions that did not advance these causes - nearly all of them died.

👆 BS of the highest order!

Name surviving religions that did not promote and advance science, art, culture, and civilisation.

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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #619 - Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:34pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:31pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:28pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:12pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:55pm:

I've given you a few clues ... control, dominion. plight of women, you could add fear and guilt ... keep thinking. See if you can come up with any more.

How about the promotion and advancement of science, art, culture, civilisation - all beneficiaries and projects of religions throughout history.

Those religions that did not advance these causes - nearly all of them died.

👆 BS of the highest order!

Name surviving religions that did not promote and advance science, art, culture, and civilisation.

Why?

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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #620 - Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:36pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:38pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:35pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:31pm:

Meister are you an atheist? Yes or No?

To understand the societal functions of religion is not to posit the existence of god(s).

Have another go.

I asked you a simple question.

I even gave you 2 multiple choice options.

ALSO - You’ve yet to answer me. Regarding 👆

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Reply #621 - Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:36pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:29pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:26pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:22pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:17pm:

Look neckbeard, what i said is that religion is at the heart of most of the world's misery not the cause of it.

So, you're now saying that what you meant is that religion is at the heart of most of the world's misery not the cause of it.

What could 'at the heart of' mean other than 'the cause of'?

A distinction without a difference?

Or are you saying that religion just happened to be hanging around on the sidelines (an accidental witness?) when misery was upon the people?

Think. What do people, particularly throughout history, think when a disaster or ill-fortune of any kind occurs?

And how have people (and do some still) react to this?

So you're saying 'at the heart of' refers to ancient peoples, in lieu of a rational understanding of actual causes, often blaming god(s) for their misery.

Is that it?

Jesus.

No. I'm saying that religious people have a propensity to lay account for any happening at the feet of their god or gods. So when a natural disaster occurs, religious people may think that they angered or displeased the god, that it's some kind of sign. Throughout the ages, this translates into all sorts of misery for people; from living in fear to being sacrificed on an altar or slaying their last goat.

What shouldn't require saying, for the love of god, is that religion permeates all levels of existence to the believer. The idea that that is a benefit to the majority of those believers in their present incarnation is a relatively new idea.

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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #622 - Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:37pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:34pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:31pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:28pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:12pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:55pm:

I've given you a few clues ... control, dominion. plight of women, you could add fear and guilt ... keep thinking. See if you can come up with any more.

How about the promotion and advancement of science, art, culture, civilisation - all beneficiaries and projects of religions throughout history.

Those religions that did not advance these causes - nearly all of them died.

👆 BS of the highest order!

Name surviving religions that did not promote and advance science, art, culture, and civilisation.

Why?

So, you can't. Of course you can't.

All the great religions promoted them, that's why they were so successful as a civilising force and survived.

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Reply #623 - Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:38pm

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:17pm:

Look neckbeard, what i said is that religion is at the heart of most of the world's misery not the cause of it.

Anything new?

Rainbow Serpent, Muhammad and Allah are responsible for Aboriginal and Muslim misery.

Christ is responsible for your misery. Atheism is responsible for North Korean, Chinese and Soviet misery.

The only happy people in the world are the Mothras.

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Reply #624 - Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:40pm

Frank wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:38pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:17pm:

Look neckbeard, what i said is that religion is at the heart of most of the world's misery not the cause of it.

Anything new?

Rainbow Serpent, Muhammad and Allah are responsible for Aboriginal and Muslim misery.

Christ is responsible for your misery. Atheism is responsible for North Korean, Chinese and Soviet misery.

The only happy people in the world are the Mothras.

But i asked your god for a worthy adversary!

More of Frank's kind of proof in his nonexistence.

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Reply #625 - Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:40pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:37pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:34pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:31pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:28pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:12pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:55pm:

I've given you a few clues ... control, dominion. plight of women, you could add fear and guilt ... keep thinking. See if you can come up with any more.

How about the promotion and advancement of science, art, culture, civilisation - all beneficiaries and projects of religions throughout history.

Those religions that did not advance these causes - nearly all of them died.

👆 BS of the highest order!

Name surviving religions that did not promote and advance science, art, culture, and civilisation.

Why?

So, you can't. Of course you can't.

All the great religions promoted them, that's why they were so successful as a civilising force and survived.

You must be an autistic teenager with blue hair if you think that is behind me asking you WHY!

Note : Your statement was problematic. Hence why I referred to it as BS.

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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #626 - Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:41pm

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:36pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:29pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:26pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:22pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:17pm:

Look neckbeard, what i said is that religion is at the heart of most of the world's misery not the cause of it.

So, you're now saying that what you meant is that religion is at the heart of most of the world's misery not the cause of it.

What could 'at the heart of' mean other than 'the cause of'?

A distinction without a difference?

Or are you saying that religion just happened to be hanging around on the sidelines (an accidental witness?) when misery was upon the people?

Think. What do people, particularly throughout history, think when a disaster or ill-fortune of any kind occurs?

And how have people (and do some still) react to this?

So you're saying 'at the heart of' refers to ancient peoples, in lieu of a rational understanding of actual causes, often blaming god(s) for their misery.

Is that it?

Jesus.

No. I'm saying that religious people have a propensity to lay account for any happening at the feet of their god or gods. So when a natural disaster occurs, religious people may think that they angered or displeased the god, that it's some kind of sign. Throughout the ages, this translates into all sorts of misery for people; from living in fear to being sacrificed on an altar or slaying their last goat.

What shouldn't require saying, for the love of god, is that religion permeates all levels of existence to the believer. The idea that that is a benefit to the majority of those believers is a relatively new idea.

How many Egyptians, Romans, Greeks, Zoroastrians, Buddhists, Hindus, Christians, Muslims etc sacrificed their co-religionists on altars because of natural disasters?

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Reply #627 - Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:42pm

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:36pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:29pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:26pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:22pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:17pm:

Look neckbeard, what i said is that religion is at the heart of most of the world's misery not the cause of it.

So, you're now saying that what you meant is that religion is at the heart of most of the world's misery not the cause of it.

What could 'at the heart of' mean other than 'the cause of'?

A distinction without a difference?

Or are you saying that religion just happened to be hanging around on the sidelines (an accidental witness?) when misery was upon the people?

Think. What do people, particularly throughout history, think when a disaster or ill-fortune of any kind occurs?

And how have people (and do some still) react to this?

So you're saying 'at the heart of' refers to ancient peoples, in lieu of a rational understanding of actual causes, often blaming god(s) for their misery.

Is that it?

Jesus.

No. I'm saying that religious people have a propensity to lay account for any happening at the feet of their god or gods. So when a natural disaster occurs, religious people may think that they angered or displeased the god, that it's some kind of sign. Throughout the ages, this translates into all sorts of misery for people; from living in fear to being sacrificed on an altar or slaying their last goat.

What shouldn't require saying, for the love of god, is that religion permeates all levels of existence to the believer. The idea that that is a benefit to the majority of those believers in their present incarnation is a relatively new idea.

It permeates all levels of your existence, even as your vision of it is a grotesque caricature.

Is the world rational and coherent or is it blind and random and unfathomable (like you)?

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Reply #628 - Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:45pm

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:40pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:38pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:17pm:

Look neckbeard, what i said is that religion is at the heart of most of the world's misery not the cause of it.

Anything new?

Rainbow Serpent, Muhammad and Allah are responsible for Aboriginal and Muslim misery.

Christ is responsible for your misery. Atheism is responsible for North Korean, Chinese and Soviet misery.

The only happy people in the world are the Mothras.

But i asked your god for a worthy adversary!

More of Frank's kind of proof in his nonexistence.

Oh, so you DO speak to god.

You are repudiating what you cannot be without.

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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #629 - Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:45pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:41pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:36pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:29pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:26pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:22pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:17pm:

Look neckbeard, what i said is that religion is at the heart of most of the world's misery not the cause of it.

So, you're now saying that what you meant is that religion is at the heart of most of the world's misery not the cause of it.

What could 'at the heart of' mean other than 'the cause of'?

A distinction without a difference?

Or are you saying that religion just happened to be hanging around on the sidelines (an accidental witness?) when misery was upon the people?

Think. What do people, particularly throughout history, think when a disaster or ill-fortune of any kind occurs?

And how have people (and do some still) react to this?

So you're saying 'at the heart of' refers to ancient peoples, in lieu of a rational understanding of actual causes, often blaming god(s) for their misery.

Is that it?

Jesus.

No. I'm saying that religious people have a propensity to lay account for any happening at the feet of their god or gods. So when a natural disaster occurs, religious people may think that they angered or displeased the god, that it's some kind of sign. Throughout the ages, this translates into all sorts of misery for people; from living in fear to being sacrificed on an altar or slaying their last goat.

What shouldn't require saying, for the love of god, is that religion permeates all levels of existence to the believer. The idea that that is a benefit to the majority of those believers is a relatively new idea.

How many Egyptians, Romans, Greeks, Zoroastrians, Buddhists, Hindus, Christians, Muslims etc sacrificed their co-religionists on altars because of natural disasters?

Another strawman. I never said they did.

You're simply argumentative. You do not debate.

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