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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #150 - Sep 28^th, 2023 at 9:37am

Setanta wrote on Sep 27^th, 2023 at 9:58pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 27^th, 2023 at 9:43pm:

Setanta wrote on Sep 27^th, 2023 at 9:39pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 27^th, 2023 at 9:33pm:

Setanta wrote on Sep 27^th, 2023 at 9:32pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 27^th, 2023 at 8:58pm:

Hi Set,
can you please do as all a favor and check out Linus?

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=Alien777

We have reason to believe that it's a Monk sock puppet. Wink

I get "The user whose profile you are trying to view does not exist!" if I click your link.

Sorry it needs a dot at the end here:

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?action=viewprofile;username=Alien777.

That works. Still of no interest to me. We can all wear our socks, no law against warm feet..

But Monk hath denied that it's his sock puppet so
we could prove that he's a liar. Wink

I know he is a liar, you know he is a liar, everyone is aware of his hysterics, we should be content in seeing him for what he is. Whether people have socks or not does not concern me unless they are using them to bypass a ban.

Interesting.

Isn't AiA currently banned?

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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #151 - Sep 28^th, 2023 at 9:43am

Frank wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 9:29am:

AusGeoff wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 9:15am:

In 1987, Bush Sr. held a formal news conference at
O'Hare Airport on his campaign trail.

There Robert Sherman, an accredited reporter for
American Atheist Magazine—by invitation a
participating member of the press corps covering
the national candidates—had the following exchange
with then-Vice-President George H.W. Bush.

Sherman: What will you do to win the votes of the
Americans who are atheists?

Bush: I guess I'm pretty weak in the atheist
community. Faith in God is important to me.

Sherman: Surely you recognize the equal
citizenship and patriotism of Americans who are
atheists?

Bush: No, I don't know that atheists should
be considered as citizens, nor should they be
considered patriots. This is one nation under God.

Sherman [somewhat taken aback]: Do you support
as a sound constitutional principle the separation of
state and church?

Bush: Yes, I support the separation of church and
state. I'm just not very high on atheists.

Unbelievably, two years later, this moron became the
president of the most powerful (then) country in the
world. What was the American electorate thinking back in
those days? Were they maybe the parents of the fools
who voted for Trump in 2016? Is it possible for defective
neurophysical genes to be carried over to the next generation?

Or do Republican voters have slightly lower IQs than
the rest of the American citizenry?

Obviosly, Sweepin' Sage of Outer Gippsland. Another Republican moron:
https://www.abrahamlincolnonline.org/lincoln/speeches/faithquotes.htm

SAGE? Surely you meant STOOGE!

The Mong mutters absolute and irrelevant nonsense like his 80 yr old demented Drunk pal both here AND over at the Mong Manure Mound.

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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #152 - Sep 28^th, 2023 at 10:02am

Frank wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2023 at 9:39pm:

Well, there have been many, many people who testified to their own encounter with god.

That's not evidence for anything without any empirical
data supporting their claims; "many, many" people
claim to have seen aliens in their backyards, but that's
not proof of any kind, or even a weak proof.

Frank wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2023 at 9:39pm:

Atheism is a belief, of course, because what it responds to is also a belief.

No. Atheism is not a "belief".

Atheism is not an affirmative belief that there is no
god nor does it answer any other question about
what a person believes. It is simply a rejection of the
assertion that there are gods. Atheism is too often
defined incorrectly as a belief system. To be clear:
Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods;
it is a lack of belief in gods.

Frank wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2023 at 9:39pm:

God doesn't need to be supernatural.

Yes; any so-called "god" is supernatural by definition.
Supernatural means of or relating to, or being above or
beyond what is natural; unexplainable by natural law
or phenomena; attributed to some force beyond scientific
understanding; of or relating to an order of existence
beyond the visible observable universe. Take your pick.

Frank wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2023 at 9:39pm:

God doesn't need to be like you, in fact can't be like you - finite, material, dying. Yes, it is impossible for finite, material, dying creatures to conceive of something that isn't like that, but that doesn't prove anything.

Sorry, but this is really just a word salad. It doesn't offer
proof of any kind for the existence of supernatural entities
or paranormal phenomena.

In fact, using God to define God is a classic non sequitur.

Finally, can I ask you to define exactly what you mean
or—as you understand the word "god", to mean?

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Does Atheism really exist? Reply #153 - Sep 28^th, 2023 at 10:13am Ive just checked back...after so many pages we still cannot even agree on HOW to DEFINE Atheism. ATHEISM 1. Believing that there is no God? OR 2. Not believing that there is a God?
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47507 Gender:	Re: Does Atheism really exist? Reply #154 - Sep 28^th, 2023 at 10:15am Atheism—knowing that there is no god or gods.
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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Does Atheism really exist? Reply #155 - Sep 28^th, 2023 at 10:20am Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 10:13am: Ive just checked back...after so many pages we still cannot even agree on HOW to DEFINE Atheism. ATHEISM 1. Believing that there is no God? OR 2. Not believing that there is a God?
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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #156 - Sep 28^th, 2023 at 10:31am

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 10:20am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 10:13am:

Ive just checked back...after so many pages we still cannot even agree on HOW to DEFINE Atheism.

ATHEISM

1. Believing that there is no God?

OR

2. Not believing that there is a God?

What's the difference, apart from negating the action in one sentence and the predicate in the other.

We have no bananas.
We don't have bananas.

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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #157 - Sep 28^th, 2023 at 10:33am

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 10:20am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 10:13am:

Ive just checked back...after so many pages we still cannot even agree on HOW to DEFINE Atheism.

ATHEISM

1. Believing that there is no God?

OR

2. Not believing that there is a God?

Why on earth did you feel compelled to actually repost this meaninglessness?

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47507 Gender:	Re: Does Atheism really exist? Reply #158 - Sep 28^th, 2023 at 10:35am It is FAR too hard for Larry to make new posts. Repetition is ineffective and lazy.
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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #159 - Sep 28^th, 2023 at 10:36am

mothra wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 10:33am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 10:20am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 10:13am:

Ive just checked back...after so many pages we still cannot even agree on HOW to DEFINE Atheism.

ATHEISM

1. Believing that there is no God?

OR

2. Not believing that there is a God?

Why on earth did you feel compelled to actually repost this meaninglessness?

It’s meaningless is it? Mad Methra?

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Does Atheism really exist? Reply #160 - Sep 28^th, 2023 at 10:37am Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 10:35am: It is FAR too hard for Larry to make new posts. Repetition is ineffective and lazy. Stop self projecting Dumbarse Drunk. It’s terrible isn’t it when people give you a taste of your own medicine hey dhead!
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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #161 - Sep 28^th, 2023 at 10:40am

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 10:37am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 10:35am:

It is FAR too hard for Larry to make new posts. Repetition is ineffective and lazy.

Stop self projecting Dumbarse Drunk. It’s terrible isn’t it when people give you a taste of your own medicine hey dhead!

Larry spews out his frustration.

It is called projection, not self projection.

Any other knowledge I can help you with, junky?

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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #162 - Sep 28^th, 2023 at 10:47am

Frank wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 10:31am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 10:20am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 10:13am:

Ive just checked back...after so many pages we still cannot even agree on HOW to DEFINE Atheism.

ATHEISM

1. Believing that there is no God?

OR

2. Not believing that there is a God?

What's the difference, apart from negating the action in one sentence and the predicate in the other.

We have no bananas.
We don't have bananas.

Big difference.

There’s a logical difference between believing that there is no God and not believing that there is a God.

To use your example Frank:

I believe (we have no bananas)

vs

I do not believe (we have bananas)

There’s a difference between

I believe (not-p).

vs

I do not believe (p)

Logically where you place the negation makes a world of difference.

👆 My husband and I have these conversations all the time (and yes we both studied history and philosophy of science at Uni)

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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #163 - Sep 28^th, 2023 at 10:49am

Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 10:40am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 10:37am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 10:35am:

It is FAR too hard for Larry to make new posts. Repetition is ineffective and lazy.

Stop self projecting Dumbarse Drunk. It’s terrible isn’t it when people give you a taste of your own medicine hey dhead!

Larry spews out his frustration.

It is called projection, not self projection.

Any other knowledge I can help you with, junky?

Could you help us ALL learn how you can log off so as to change your overflowing colostomy bag dhead? There’s a good 80 yr old dumbarse boomer Drunk 😂🤣😆

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47507 Gender:	Re: Does Atheism really exist? Reply #164 - Sep 28^th, 2023 at 10:57am Why would I have a colostomy bag, Larry, when the only operation I have had was a hip replacement? You stuffed up there, junky. Maybe you meant something else and your drug addled mind suggested “colostomy bag?” I have pointed this out before but you continue with the stupidity—just how stupid are you, Larry?
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Question: Atheism - how do YOU define it?
Not believing in GOD? 6 (50.0%) Believing in NO GOD? 6 (50.0%) Total votes: 12 « Created by: Lisa Jones on: Sep 28^th, 2023 at 11:29am »