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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35486 Gender:	Re: Does Atheism really exist? Reply #180 - Sep 28^th, 2023 at 12:05pm I think the clue is in Frank referring to himself as a "cultural Christian". Much can be inferred from that.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47507 Gender:	Re: Does Atheism really exist? Reply #181 - Sep 28^th, 2023 at 12:08pm Like horseboy calling himself “A superior man.”
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Reply #182 - Sep 28^th, 2023 at 12:12pm

Frank - look at this 👇

Re the “a” in atheist.

The word ‘atheist’ has to be understood not positively but negatively, with the originally Greek prefix ‘a-’ being read in this same way in ‘atheist’ as it customarily is in . . . words as ‘amoral’.

As such an atheist becomes not someone who positively asserts the non-existence of God, but someone who is simply not a theist.(A Companion to Philosophy of Religion)

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Does Atheism really exist? Reply #183 - Sep 28^th, 2023 at 12:15pm mothra wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 11:56am: One requires being taught to believe in it in the first place. Please ignore this Mad Methra gastric filled fart Moment. Let’s move on.....
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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 46817 Gender:	Re: Does Atheism really exist? Reply #184 - Sep 28^th, 2023 at 12:15pm MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 12:00pm: It's possible to not 'believe in' Zeus, without being 'anti-Zeus'. There's a difference between atheism and antitheism. Yeah, Lucifer was an antithesis.
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Reply #185 - Sep 28^th, 2023 at 12:21pm

mothra wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 11:56am:

Frank wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 11:51am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 11:25am:

Atheism—not believing in gods.

See? You need the concept of God to define atheism. It is inevitable since God is in the very word, atheism. You have to conceptualise what you are not believing in.

No. You do not. Although it could be argued tot that reach a standpoint irrespective of knowledge that there is such a thing as god is impossible.

As i previously said, the prefix "a" doesn't mean againt, it means without.

One does not need to stand against god to disbelieve in it. One requires being taught to believe in it in the first place.

Without. A preposition. It needs a predicate.

You have to conceptualise the 'theos' to be able to say that you are without it.

One requires to be taught everything, starting with language and including science, religion, philosophy of which atheism is one strand.

You could say you are an atheist or an agnostic or religious if you weren't taught. They are all conceptual.

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Reply #186 - Sep 28^th, 2023 at 12:27pm

Frank wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 12:21pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 11:56am:

Frank wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 11:51am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 11:25am:

Atheism—not believing in gods.

See? You need the concept of God to define atheism. It is inevitable since God is in the very word, atheism. You have to conceptualise what you are not believing in.

No. You do not. Although it could be argued tot that reach a standpoint irrespective of knowledge that there is such a thing as god is impossible.

As i previously said, the prefix "a" doesn't mean againt, it means without.

One does not need to stand against god to disbelieve in it. One requires being taught to believe in it in the first place.

Without. A preposition. It needs a predicate.

You have to conceptualise the 'theos' to be able to say that you are without it.

One requires to be taught everything, starting with language and including science, religion, philosophy of which atheism is one strand.

You could say you are an atheist or an agnostic or religious if you weren't taught. They are all conceptual.

What you are arguing is the the belief in divine entity is human nature ground zero. This is patently incorrect.

One does not spring forth from the womb believing in the religion of their people. This is taught ... over many years.

The lack of belief in such matter is the default position.

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Reply #187 - Sep 28^th, 2023 at 12:27pm

Frank

Could you read this then look around at who (in this topic) is guilty of it.

The Presumption Of Atheism

1. In the absence of evidence for the existence of God we should presume that God does not exist.

2. Atheism is a default position.

3. Thus the Theist bears a special burden of proof with regard to their belief that God exists.

The problem with The Presumption Of Atheism.

1. The assertion that “There is no God” is just as much a claim to knowledge as is the assertion that “There is a God.”

2. As such...the former assertion requires justification just as the latter does.

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Reply #188 - Sep 28^th, 2023 at 12:27pm

Frank wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 12:21pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 11:56am:

Frank wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 11:51am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 11:25am:

Atheism—not believing in gods.

See? You need the concept of God to define atheism. It is inevitable since God is in the very word, atheism. You have to conceptualise what you are not believing in.

No. You do not. Although it could be argued tot that reach a standpoint irrespective of knowledge that there is such a thing as god is impossible.

As i previously said, the prefix "a" doesn't mean againt, it means without.

One does not need to stand against god to disbelieve in it. One requires being taught to believe in it in the first place.

Without. A preposition. It needs a predicate.

You have to conceptualise the 'theos' to be able to say that you are without it.

One requires to be taught everything, starting with language and including science, religion, philosophy of which atheism is one strand.

You could say you are an atheist or an agnostic or religious if you weren't taught. They are all conceptual.

It's possible to conceptualise a winged horse without believing that one exists.

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35486 Gender:	Re: Does Atheism really exist? Reply #189 - Sep 28^th, 2023 at 12:28pm Frank wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 12:15pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 12:00pm: It's possible to not 'believe in' Zeus, without being 'anti-Zeus'. There's a difference between atheism and antitheism. Yeah, Lucifer was an antithesis. Only if one accepts the teachings of the bible.
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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #190 - Sep 28^th, 2023 at 12:31pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 12:27pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 12:21pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 11:56am:

Frank wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 11:51am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 11:25am:

Atheism—not believing in gods.

See? You need the concept of God to define atheism. It is inevitable since God is in the very word, atheism. You have to conceptualise what you are not believing in.

No. You do not. Although it could be argued tot that reach a standpoint irrespective of knowledge that there is such a thing as god is impossible.

As i previously said, the prefix "a" doesn't mean againt, it means without.

One does not need to stand against god to disbelieve in it. One requires being taught to believe in it in the first place.

Without. A preposition. It needs a predicate.

You have to conceptualise the 'theos' to be able to say that you are without it.

One requires to be taught everything, starting with language and including science, religion, philosophy of which atheism is one strand.

You could say you are an atheist or an agnostic or religious if you weren't taught. They are all conceptual.

It's possible to conceptualise a winged horse without believing that one exists.

Or a Lucifer for that matter...

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Reply #191 - Sep 28^th, 2023 at 12:31pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 12:27pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 12:21pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 11:56am:

Frank wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 11:51am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 11:25am:

Atheism—not believing in gods.

See? You need the concept of God to define atheism. It is inevitable since God is in the very word, atheism. You have to conceptualise what you are not believing in.

No. You do not. Although it could be argued tot that reach a standpoint irrespective of knowledge that there is such a thing as god is impossible.

As i previously said, the prefix "a" doesn't mean againt, it means without.

One does not need to stand against god to disbelieve in it. One requires being taught to believe in it in the first place.

Without. A preposition. It needs a predicate.

You have to conceptualise the 'theos' to be able to say that you are without it.

One requires to be taught everything, starting with language and including science, religion, philosophy of which atheism is one strand.

You could say you are an atheist or an agnostic or religious if you weren't taught. They are all conceptual.

It's possible to conceptualise a winged horse without believing that one exists.

But it is not possible to say 'I don't believe in winged horses' without conceptualizing them.

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Reply #192 - Sep 28^th, 2023 at 12:33pm

mothra wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 12:28pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 12:15pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 12:00pm:

It's possible to not 'believe in' Zeus, without being 'anti-Zeus'.

There's a difference between atheism and antitheism.

Yeah, Lucifer was an antithesis.

Only if one accepts the teachings of the bible.

Lucifer illustrates the concept of antithesis, as distinct from atheism.

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Reply #193 - Sep 28^th, 2023 at 12:36pm

Frank wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 12:31pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 12:27pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 12:21pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 11:56am:

Frank wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 11:51am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 11:25am:

Atheism—not believing in gods.

See? You need the concept of God to define atheism. It is inevitable since God is in the very word, atheism. You have to conceptualise what you are not believing in.

No. You do not. Although it could be argued tot that reach a standpoint irrespective of knowledge that there is such a thing as god is impossible.

As i previously said, the prefix "a" doesn't mean againt, it means without.

One does not need to stand against god to disbelieve in it. One requires being taught to believe in it in the first place.

Without. A preposition. It needs a predicate.

You have to conceptualise the 'theos' to be able to say that you are without it.

One requires to be taught everything, starting with language and including science, religion, philosophy of which atheism is one strand.

You could say you are an atheist or an agnostic or religious if you weren't taught. They are all conceptual.

It's possible to conceptualise a winged horse without believing that one exists.

But it is not possible to say 'I don't believe in winged horses' without conceptualizing them.

Yes, that's true, but conceptualising doesn't create a winged horse, or does Zeus actually reside in a palace on Mount Olympus? Does Nemesis actually stand guard at the summit?

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Reply #194 - Sep 28^th, 2023 at 12:36pm

Frank wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 12:31pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 12:27pm:

Frank wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 12:21pm:

mothra wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 11:56am:

Frank wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 11:51am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 28^th, 2023 at 11:25am:

Atheism—not believing in gods.

See? You need the concept of God to define atheism. It is inevitable since God is in the very word, atheism. You have to conceptualise what you are not believing in.

No. You do not. Although it could be argued tot that reach a standpoint irrespective of knowledge that there is such a thing as god is impossible.

As i previously said, the prefix "a" doesn't mean againt, it means without.

One does not need to stand against god to disbelieve in it. One requires being taught to believe in it in the first place.

Without. A preposition. It needs a predicate.

You have to conceptualise the 'theos' to be able to say that you are without it.

One requires to be taught everything, starting with language and including science, religion, philosophy of which atheism is one strand.

You could say you are an atheist or an agnostic or religious if you weren't taught. They are all conceptual.

It's possible to conceptualise a winged horse without believing that one exists.

But it is not possible to say 'I don't believe in winged horses' without conceptualizing them.

No it's not.

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