|
mothra
|
Frank wrote on Sep 28 th, 2023 at 1:00pm: mothra wrote on Sep 28 th, 2023 at 12:51pm: Frank wrote on Sep 28 th, 2023 at 12:45pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 28 th, 2023 at 12:36pm: Frank wrote on Sep 28 th, 2023 at 12:31pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Sep 28 th, 2023 at 12:27pm: Frank wrote on Sep 28 th, 2023 at 12:21pm: mothra wrote on Sep 28 th, 2023 at 11:56am: Frank wrote on Sep 28 th, 2023 at 11:51am: Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 28 th, 2023 at 11:25am: Atheism—not believing in gods. See? You need the concept of God to define atheism. It is inevitable since God is in the very word, atheism. You have to conceptualise what you are not believing in. No. You do not. Although it could be argued tot that reach a standpoint irrespective of knowledge that there is such a thing as god is impossible. As i previously said, the prefix "a" doesn't mean againt, it means without. One does not need to stand against god to disbelieve in it. One requires being taught to believe in it in the first place. Without. A preposition. It needs a predicate. You have to conceptualise the 'theos' to be able to say that you are without it. One requires to be taught everything, starting with language and including science, religion, philosophy of which atheism is one strand. You could say you are an atheist or an agnostic or religious if you weren't taught. They are all conceptual. It's possible to conceptualise a winged horse without believing that one exists. But it is not possible to say 'I don't believe in winged horses' without conceptualizing them. Yes, that's true, but conceptualising doesn't create a winged horse, or does Zeus actually reside in a palace on Mount Olympus? Does Nemesis actually stand guard at the summit? Well, winged horse's being a concept, So conceptualising winged horses does create the concept, the image, the idea of winged horses. Thinking of, imagining something does not create physical objects (unless you are God). God, the conceptualization of the metaphysical, is imagined and every time the word is used, god is conceptualised. This is no big revelation, the same thing happens when we speak about anything. An agnostic conceptualise a certain kind of this is to be able express that he is without it. It would be meaningless otherwise. Atheism, similarly, points to what it is without. No. This is not the default human position. This is you superimposing your own experience onto that of others. Nobody is born believing in any gods whatsoever. Left to their own devices, they may think some experiences in their life are beyond their understanding but for the most part, they would accept they would eventually decay as do all the forest creatures. This whole god bothering nonsense is an invention. Well, could you dispute the existence of winged horses if you didnt conceptualise them first? The French existentialist Jean-Paul Sartre was sitting at a café table working. A waiter approached him ‘Can I get you something to drink, Monsieur Sartre?’ he asked. ‘Yes, I’d like a cup of coffee with sugar, but no cream’, the philosopher replied. A few minutes later, however, the water returned and said, ‘I’m sorry, Monsieur Sartre, we are all out of cream — how about with no milk?’ Why would i think of them without prodding?
|
Forum
Pages: 
Does Atheism really exist? (Read 36398 times)
