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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #570 - Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:01pm

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:54pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:50pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:43pm:

organised religion has been used as a form of control and dominion.

Religion was used to bond disparate peoples into a cohesive community.

Incorrect. Religion was used to intimidate people into compliance.

Again, you are mistaking religion with spirituality.

Blue hairs people - what can you do?

Europe escaped pre-civilisation tribalism through a common religion, as did the Arabs.

Animism and manism (in modern parlance - spiritualism) are the 'religions' of pre-civilised, hunter-gatherer, nomadic peoples.

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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #572 - Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:03pm

Frank wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:01pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:54pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:50pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:43pm:

organised religion has been used as a form of control and dominion.

Religion was used to bond disparate peoples into a cohesive community.

Incorrect. Religion was used to intimidate people into compliance.

Again, you are mistaking religion with spirituality.

Explain the difference. You h ave been to uni, you should be able to do it easily and well.
Go.

One is an organised belief in a god or gods ... the other is a belief that there is something beyond that which we perceive with our regular senses.

Were you unaware of this?

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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #573 - Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:03pm

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:01pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:58pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:53pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:47pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:43pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:41pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:39pm:

You know what the empirical evidence says? That over the course of human history, religion has done far more to hinder and harry humankind than it has come even close to in providing benefits.

We exist despite religion, not because of it.

Aww, please... Genghis Khan? Hitler? Stalin? Mao?

As i previously said, there are exceptions. They are the overwhelming minority however.

Are they? Who or what is in the majority?

You're out of your depth.

Religion has been with humans since the dawn of civilisation and it bound peoples to cultural ideas who would otherwise have had little in common and little reason to cooperate with each other.

What? People would have had no reason to cooperate with each other if it weren't for religion? Had little in common?

Existence and the means to sustain it not good enough for you? It certainly was for most of human history.

Religion, as opposed to simple spirituality, has been used for the most part throughout human history as a mechanism by which to control and assert dominion.

I'm seriously not getting the impression from any part of this thread that it is i who is out of their depth.

Why were the Arab tribes concerned when Emperor Justinian almost reunified the eastern and western Roma empire? What role did Islam play in uniting the Arab tribes against perceived threats from the north?

Religion in civilised society was absolutely necessary to overcome dangerous and lethal clanism and tribalism.

Precisely. Control and dominion.

God knows what you imagine you're arguing with.

No control and dominion in Aboriginal or Islamic religion?

Really?

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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #574 - Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:04pm

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:01pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:58pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:53pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:47pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:43pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:41pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:39pm:

You know what the empirical evidence says? That over the course of human history, religion has done far more to hinder and harry humankind than it has come even close to in providing benefits.

We exist despite religion, not because of it.

Aww, please... Genghis Khan? Hitler? Stalin? Mao?

As i previously said, there are exceptions. They are the overwhelming minority however.

Are they? Who or what is in the majority?

You're out of your depth.

Religion has been with humans since the dawn of civilisation and it bound peoples to cultural ideas who would otherwise have had little in common and little reason to cooperate with each other.

What? People would have had no reason to cooperate with each other if it weren't for religion? Had little in common?

Existence and the means to sustain it not good enough for you? It certainly was for most of human history.

Religion, as opposed to simple spirituality, has been used for the most part throughout human history as a mechanism by which to control and assert dominion.

I'm seriously not getting the impression from any part of this thread that it is i who is out of their depth.

Why were the Arab tribes concerned when Emperor Justinian almost reunified the eastern and western Roma empire? What role did Islam play in uniting the Arab tribes against perceived threats from the north?

Religion in civilised society was absolutely necessary to overcome dangerous and lethal clanism and tribalism.

Precisely. Control and dominion.

God knows what you imagine you're arguing with.

The difference between pre-civilised clan, and tribal, lethal animosities and the bonding effect that religion provided those peoples of civilised societies.

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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #575 - Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:04pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:01pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:54pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:50pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:43pm:

organised religion has been used as a form of control and dominion.

Religion was used to bond disparate peoples into a cohesive community.

Incorrect. Religion was used to intimidate people into compliance.

Again, you are mistaking religion with spirituality.

Blue hairs people - what can you do?

Europe escaped pre-civilisation tribalism through a common religion, as did the Arabs.

Animism and manism (in modern parlance - spiritualism) are the 'religions' of pre-civilised, hunter-gatherer, nomadic peoples.

And tediously, every time you lose an argument with me it's straight to the blue hair.

Such a fragile ego.

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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #576 - Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:04pm

Frank wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:03pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:01pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:58pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:53pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:47pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:43pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:41pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:39pm:

You know what the empirical evidence says? That over the course of human history, religion has done far more to hinder and harry humankind than it has come even close to in providing benefits.

We exist despite religion, not because of it.

Aww, please... Genghis Khan? Hitler? Stalin? Mao?

As i previously said, there are exceptions. They are the overwhelming minority however.

Are they? Who or what is in the majority?

You're out of your depth.

Religion has been with humans since the dawn of civilisation and it bound peoples to cultural ideas who would otherwise have had little in common and little reason to cooperate with each other.

What? People would have had no reason to cooperate with each other if it weren't for religion? Had little in common?

Existence and the means to sustain it not good enough for you? It certainly was for most of human history.

Religion, as opposed to simple spirituality, has been used for the most part throughout human history as a mechanism by which to control and assert dominion.

I'm seriously not getting the impression from any part of this thread that it is i who is out of their depth.

Why were the Arab tribes concerned when Emperor Justinian almost reunified the eastern and western Roma empire? What role did Islam play in uniting the Arab tribes against perceived threats from the north?

Religion in civilised society was absolutely necessary to overcome dangerous and lethal clanism and tribalism.

Precisely. Control and dominion.

God knows what you imagine you're arguing with.

No control and dominion in Aboriginal or Islamic religion?

Really?

Did i say that?

Nope. I most certainly didn't.

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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #577 - Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:05pm

Frank wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:02pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:00pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:59pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:53pm:

Religion, as opposed to simple spirituality

So you are cool with the Rainbow Serpent but not with Islam.

I'm cool with both.

What are you not cool with, then?

Bigotry. Were you unaware? God knows i say it enough.

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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #578 - Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:07pm

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:03pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:01pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:54pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:50pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:43pm:

organised religion has been used as a form of control and dominion.

Religion was used to bond disparate peoples into a cohesive community.

Incorrect. Religion was used to intimidate people into compliance.

Again, you are mistaking religion with spirituality.

Explain the difference. You h ave been to uni, you should be able to do it easily and well.
Go.

One is an organised belief in a god or gods ... the other is a belief that there is something beyond that which we perceive with our regular senses.

Were you unaware of this?

So it is organised and un/a/disorganised belief.

And Aboriginal 'spirituality' is your example of unorganised, free, individualistic, whatever is your bag, man, 'spirituality'.

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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #579 - Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:08pm

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:04pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:01pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:54pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:50pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:43pm:

organised religion has been used as a form of control and dominion.

Religion was used to bond disparate peoples into a cohesive community.

Incorrect. Religion was used to intimidate people into compliance.

Again, you are mistaking religion with spirituality.

Blue hairs people - what can you do?

Europe escaped pre-civilisation tribalism through a common religion, as did the Arabs.

Animism and manism (in modern parlance - spiritualism) are the 'religions' of pre-civilised, hunter-gatherer, nomadic peoples.

And tediously, every time you lose an argument with me it's straight to the blue hair.

Such a fragile ego.

You have a teenager's understanding of religion.

Do you wear crystals for well-being?

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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #580 - Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:08pm

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:05pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:02pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:00pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:59pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:53pm:

Religion, as opposed to simple spirituality

So you are cool with the Rainbow Serpent but not with Islam.

I'm cool with both.

What are you not cool with, then?

Bigotry. Were you unaware? God knows i say it enough.

Where is the bigotry in what I said?

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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #581 - Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:08pm

Frank wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:07pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:03pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:01pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:54pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:50pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:43pm:

organised religion has been used as a form of control and dominion.

Religion was used to bond disparate peoples into a cohesive community.

Incorrect. Religion was used to intimidate people into compliance.

Again, you are mistaking religion with spirituality.

Explain the difference. You h ave been to uni, you should be able to do it easily and well.
Go.

One is an organised belief in a god or gods ... the other is a belief that there is something beyond that which we perceive with our regular senses.

Were you unaware of this?

So it is organised and un/a/disorganised belief.

And Aboriginal 'spirituality' is your example of unorganised, free, individualistic, whatever is your bag, man, 'spirituality'.

Why do you simply try to invent other people's arguments when you don't understand them?

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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #582 - Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:09pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:08pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:04pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:01pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:54pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:50pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:43pm:

organised religion has been used as a form of control and dominion.

Religion was used to bond disparate peoples into a cohesive community.

Incorrect. Religion was used to intimidate people into compliance.

Again, you are mistaking religion with spirituality.

Blue hairs people - what can you do?

Europe escaped pre-civilisation tribalism through a common religion, as did the Arabs.

Animism and manism (in modern parlance - spiritualism) are the 'religions' of pre-civilised, hunter-gatherer, nomadic peoples.

And tediously, every time you lose an argument with me it's straight to the blue hair.

Such a fragile ego.

You have a teenager's understanding of religion.

Do you wear crystals for well-being?

Back to calling people teenagers now.

Fragile, fragile ego.

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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #583 - Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:10pm

Frank wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:08pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:05pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:02pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:00pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:59pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:53pm:

Religion, as opposed to simple spirituality

So you are cool with the Rainbow Serpent but not with Islam.

I'm cool with both.

What are you not cool with, then?

Bigotry. Were you unaware? God knows i say it enough.

Where is the bigotry in what I said?

Still inventing arguments.

Did i say you were being a bigot anywhere?

No. No i didn;t.

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MeisterEckhart

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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #584 - Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:11pm

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:09pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:08pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:04pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:01pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:54pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:50pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 5:43pm:

organised religion has been used as a form of control and dominion.

Religion was used to bond disparate peoples into a cohesive community.

Incorrect. Religion was used to intimidate people into compliance.

Again, you are mistaking religion with spirituality.

Blue hairs people - what can you do?

Europe escaped pre-civilisation tribalism through a common religion, as did the Arabs.

Animism and manism (in modern parlance - spiritualism) are the 'religions' of pre-civilised, hunter-gatherer, nomadic peoples.

And tediously, every time you lose an argument with me it's straight to the blue hair.

Such a fragile ego.

You have a teenager's understanding of religion.

Do you wear crystals for well-being?

Back to calling people teenagers now.

Fragile, fragile ego.

I'm not calling you a teenager - I'm betting you're a bit on the old side - I'm saying you have a teenager's (simplistic) understanding of religion.

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