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Reply #600 - Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:53pm

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:51pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:49pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:41pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:35pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:31pm:

Meister are you an atheist? Yes or No?

To understand the societal functions of religion is not to posit the existence of god(s).

Yet you only seem willing to accept it's benefits.

If you're asking, do I believe that religion has only been a force for good, the I'd say no.

All institutions are vulnerble to corruption and political manipulation.

But to say that religion has only been a force for imposing misery on the peoples within the cultures they inhabited, is simple-minded.

Yet i never said that. You just fell over yourself trying to feel superior.

And look at that, all this while you agreed with me.

As I said, you're out of your depth. You have a teenager's comprehension of religion. Did you think it's not obvious?

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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #601 - Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:55pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:52pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:44pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:43pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:27pm:

And, as i have maintained and is utterly empirically provable, religion has been at the very heart of most of the world's misery.

There you go again, a teenager's comprehension of religion.

The world's misery - on an exponential scale - has been caused by disease, famine, flood, drought, misadventure while gathering resources...

After that, there are clan feuds and internecine tribal conflicts over territory and resources.

Religion was not at the heart of any of those miseries, which afflicted all peoples and societies.

You're thinking only of war. How male of you.

Now, think of every day suffering.

I mentioned disease, famine, flood, drought, and misadventure while gathering resources.

How about death through childbirth? Even cesarian sections were a death warrant to women enduring them - another cause of human misery.

I've given you a few clues ... control, dominion. plight of women, you could add fear and guilt ... keep thinking. See if you can come up with any more.

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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #602 - Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:57pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:53pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:51pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:49pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:41pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:35pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:31pm:

Meister are you an atheist? Yes or No?

To understand the societal functions of religion is not to posit the existence of god(s).

Yet you only seem willing to accept it's benefits.

If you're asking, do I believe that religion has only been a force for good, the I'd say no.

All institutions are vulnerble to corruption and political manipulation.

But to say that religion has only been a force for imposing misery on the peoples within the cultures they inhabited, is simple-minded.

Yet i never said that. You just fell over yourself trying to feel superior.

And look at that, all this while you agreed with me.

As I said, you're out of your depth. You have a teenager's comprehension of religion. Did you think it's not obvious?

You keep saying that while superimposing what you think i said over what i actually said.

Then you agreed with me.

Fragile, fragile ego.

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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #603 - Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:59pm

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:51pm:

Yet i never said that. You just fell over yourself trying to feel superior.

And look at that, all this while you agreed with me.

Was it you who wrote that religion was the cause of most of the misery in the world?

Of course you didn't think of the greatest causes of human misery (e.g. disease, famine, flood, fire, drought, misadventure while gathering resources, clan feuds and internecine tribal conflicts over territory and resources), because you never had to endure them - that and a teenager's comprehension of religion and history led you to your own (untenable) conclusion that religion is the cause of most of the world's misery.

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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #604 - Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:04pm

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:57pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:53pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:51pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:49pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:41pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:35pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:31pm:

Meister are you an atheist? Yes or No?

To understand the societal functions of religion is not to posit the existence of god(s).

Yet you only seem willing to accept it's benefits.

If you're asking, do I believe that religion has only been a force for good, the I'd say no.

All institutions are vulnerble to corruption and political manipulation.

But to say that religion has only been a force for imposing misery on the peoples within the cultures they inhabited, is simple-minded.

Yet i never said that. You just fell over yourself trying to feel superior.

And look at that, all this while you agreed with me.

As I said, you're out of your depth. You have a teenager's comprehension of religion. Did you think it's not obvious?

You keep saying that while superimposing what you think i said over what i actually said.

Then you agreed with me.

Fragile, fragile ego.

Here's the thing, blue hairs person, your posts have you saying that religion is the cause of most of the world's misery and steeled it with the claim that it is utterly provable - yet you haven't shown how it is at the heart of all human misery - you just assume it's axiomatic and no one can challenge you on it, so no need to be arsed proving it - Y'know the old 'everybody knows' - a teenager's default position.

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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #605 - Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:06pm

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:44pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:43pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:27pm:

And, as i have maintained and is utterly empirically provable, religion has been at the very heart of most of the world's misery.

There you go again, a teenager's comprehension of religion.

The world's misery - on an exponential scale - has been caused by disease, famine, flood, drought, misadventure while gathering resources...

After that, there are clan feuds and internecine tribal conflicts over territory and resources.

Religion was not at the heart of any of those miseries, which afflicted all peoples and societies.

You're thinking only of war. How male of you.

Now, think of every day suffering.

No Mothballs.

Religion, the culmination of many Paganisms in a collected best seller series - was created as a 'moral code' defence and sanctuary from the emerging 'military' culture that came with 'civilisation'.
That is, it gave the victims of military violence a sense of 'hope', when there is none and softened the blow when the military 'weapon' chopped their heads off.
Religion to Military is no different to the poor mass Art culture of America to the power above of Politics for the few.

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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.

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Reply #606 - Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:07pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:59pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:51pm:

Yet i never said that. You just fell over yourself trying to feel superior.

And look at that, all this while you agreed with me.

Was it you who wrote that religion was the cause of most of the misery in the world?

Of course you didn't think of the greatest causes of human misery (e.g. disease, famine, flood, fire, drought, misadventure while gathering resources, clan feuds and internecine tribal conflicts over territory and resources), because you never had to endure them - that and a teenager's comprehension of religion and history led you to your own (untenable) conclusion that religion is the cause of most of the world's misery.

Still misquoting me. Look, if something i say eludes you, just ask for clarification, okay? You can spare you're brittle hackles getting agitated.

I said religion was at the heart of most of humankind's misery. This of course does not include natural disaster ... but you could sure put your hand up for disease. As for " misadventure while gathering resources" ... jut lol!

I'm talking the every day, mundane lives of the people ... but i include women in that.

What percentage would you say over the past couple of thousand years have had their day to day lives made better by being under religious control?

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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #607 - Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:09pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:04pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:57pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:53pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:51pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:49pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:41pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:35pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:31pm:

Meister are you an atheist? Yes or No?

To understand the societal functions of religion is not to posit the existence of god(s).

Yet you only seem willing to accept it's benefits.

If you're asking, do I believe that religion has only been a force for good, the I'd say no.

All institutions are vulnerble to corruption and political manipulation.

But to say that religion has only been a force for imposing misery on the peoples within the cultures they inhabited, is simple-minded.

Yet i never said that. You just fell over yourself trying to feel superior.

And look at that, all this while you agreed with me.

As I said, you're out of your depth. You have a teenager's comprehension of religion. Did you think it's not obvious?

You keep saying that while superimposing what you think i said over what i actually said.

Then you agreed with me.

Fragile, fragile ego.

Here's the thing, blue hairs person, your posts have you saying that religion is the cause of most of the world's misery and steeled it with the claim that it is utterly provable - yet you haven't shown how it is at the heart of all human misery - you just assume it's axiomatic and no one can challenge you on it, so no need to be arsed proving it - Y'know the old 'everybody knows' - a teenager's default position.

Still misquoting me.

You're simply showcasing your own idea of your prowess, you're a crap debater.

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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #608 - Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:12pm

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:55pm:

I've given you a few clues ... control, dominion. plight of women, you could add fear and guilt ... keep thinking. See if you can come up with any more.

How about the promotion and advancement of science, art, culture, civilisation - all beneficiaries and projects of religions throughout history.

Those religions that did not advance these causes - nearly all of them died.

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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #609 - Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:15pm

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:09pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:04pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:57pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:53pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:51pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:49pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:41pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:35pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:31pm:

Meister are you an atheist? Yes or No?

To understand the societal functions of religion is not to posit the existence of god(s).

Yet you only seem willing to accept it's benefits.

If you're asking, do I believe that religion has only been a force for good, the I'd say no.

All institutions are vulnerble to corruption and political manipulation.

But to say that religion has only been a force for imposing misery on the peoples within the cultures they inhabited, is simple-minded.

Yet i never said that. You just fell over yourself trying to feel superior.

And look at that, all this while you agreed with me.

As I said, you're out of your depth. You have a teenager's comprehension of religion. Did you think it's not obvious?

You keep saying that while superimposing what you think i said over what i actually said.

Then you agreed with me.

Fragile, fragile ego.

Here's the thing, blue hairs person, your posts have you saying that religion is the cause of most of the world's misery and steeled it with the claim that it is utterly provable - yet you haven't shown how it is at the heart of all human misery - you just assume it's axiomatic and no one can challenge you on it, so no need to be arsed proving it - Y'know the old 'everybody knows' - a teenager's default position.

Still misquoting me.

You're simply showcasing your own idea of your prowess, you're a crap debater.

Here's the problem, blue hairs, you have written here what you think - I'm quoting you - but, like a teenager, you're now arguing that what you wrote isn't what you meant.

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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #610 - Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:17pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:15pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:09pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:04pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:57pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:53pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:51pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:49pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:41pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:35pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 6:31pm:

Meister are you an atheist? Yes or No?

To understand the societal functions of religion is not to posit the existence of god(s).

Yet you only seem willing to accept it's benefits.

If you're asking, do I believe that religion has only been a force for good, the I'd say no.

All institutions are vulnerble to corruption and political manipulation.

But to say that religion has only been a force for imposing misery on the peoples within the cultures they inhabited, is simple-minded.

Yet i never said that. You just fell over yourself trying to feel superior.

And look at that, all this while you agreed with me.

As I said, you're out of your depth. You have a teenager's comprehension of religion. Did you think it's not obvious?

You keep saying that while superimposing what you think i said over what i actually said.

Then you agreed with me.

Fragile, fragile ego.

Here's the thing, blue hairs person, your posts have you saying that religion is the cause of most of the world's misery and steeled it with the claim that it is utterly provable - yet you haven't shown how it is at the heart of all human misery - you just assume it's axiomatic and no one can challenge you on it, so no need to be arsed proving it - Y'know the old 'everybody knows' - a teenager's default position.

Still misquoting me.

You're simply showcasing your own idea of your prowess, you're a crap debater.

Here's the problem, blue hairs, you have written here what you think - I'm quoting you - but, like a teenager, you're now arguing that what you wrote isn't what you meant.

Look neckbeard, what i said is that religion is at the heart of most of the world's misery not the cause of it.

Then you went on about war some and tried to me that religion united people more than it divided them ... i let that slip through to the keeper ... then you called me blue hairs alot to try to deflect from the fact that you're struggling to define human misery ...

Then you repeated the above.

Anything new?

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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #611 - Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:22pm

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:17pm:

Look neckbeard, what i said is that religion is at the heart of most of the world's misery not the cause of it.

So, you're now saying that what you meant is that religion is at the heart of most of the world's misery not the cause of it.

What could 'at the heart of' mean other than 'the cause of'?

A distinction without a difference?

Or are you saying that religion just happened to be hanging around on the sidelines (an accidental witness?) when misery was upon the people?

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Reply #614 - Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:26pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:22pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 7:17pm:

Look neckbeard, what i said is that religion is at the heart of most of the world's misery not the cause of it.

So, you're now saying that what you meant is that religion is at the heart of most of the world's misery not the cause of it.

What could 'at the heart of' mean other than 'the cause of'?

A distinction without a difference?

Or are you saying that religion just happened to be hanging around on the sidelines (an accidental witness?) when misery was upon the people?

Think. What do people, particularly throughout history, think when a disaster or ill-fortune of any kind occurs?

And how have people (and do some still) react to this?

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