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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #645 - Oct 11^th, 2023 at 5:35pm

Frank wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 4:39pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 10:57am:

The Hebrew phantom aka 'Jehovah' certainly really exists, regardless of whether atheism exists; it's weird that Jews and Muslims are at one another's throats, because Muhammad also adopted the Hebrew genocidal bronze-age, 'jealous god' Jehovah, as "the One True God".

And poor Jesus (who preached 'blessed are the peace-makers') has been caught up in it all , via the Holy Trinity dogma... hence Biden is standing by ready to eradicate Iran if she steps out of line....

But ironically, neither Jews nor Muslims accept the Trinity.

The "Peoples of the Book"...oh dear....

Cheeses, you ARE thick.

I wouldn’t worry about NotSoGreat. It’s a bot.

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Reply #646 - Oct 11^th, 2023 at 5:35pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 11:15am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 10:57am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 10:48am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 12:41pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 12:01pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 11:47am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 6^th, 2023 at 11:37am:

When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

Unfortunately not all make the progression from child- hood, intellectually.

That's true.

For many, psychological development is arrested at puberty.

And only the insane chat to themselves. On OzPol they’re also referred to as Mongs.

Exhibit A

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1645944963/615

Still waitng for your explanation of the significance of the "brackets change", i have no idea what you are talking about. Thank you.

Have you bothered to click on that link yet? It’s all there.

Poor Lisa, she thinks the educational MMT thread - with more views than most other threads, has anything to do with this topic with it's dodgy question format.

Forget Atheism... I don’t think YOU really exist. You’re just a bot.

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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #647 - Oct 11^th, 2023 at 8:43pm

An anthropomorphic god is too obviously a metaphor. You can't take it literally.

There is a lot of wisdom in religious teachings, as there is in literature, art and other imaginative human engagements with questions of meaning. Taking transcendent things literally, not noticing that we only have language, based on sensory experience, to talk about non-sensory aspects of our lives as if they were just like sensory experiences, is the trap both atheists and biblical literalist fall into and they are battling over nonsense.

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Reply #648 - Oct 12^th, 2023 at 10:38am

Frank wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 4:39pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 10:57am:

The Hebrew phantom aka 'Jehovah' certainly really exists, regardless of whether atheism exists; it's weird that Jews and Muslims are at one another's throats, because Muhammad also adopted the Hebrew genocidal bronze-age, 'jealous god' Jehovah, as "the One True God".

And poor Jesus (who preached 'blessed are the peace-makers') has been caught up in it all , via the Holy Trinity dogma... hence Biden is standing by ready to eradicate Iran if she steps out of line....

But ironically, neither Jews nor Muslims accept the Trinity.

The "Peoples of the Book"...oh dear....

Cheeses, you ARE thick.

Er ...Frank, you know the drill....I expect more from you than low IQ Lisa with her subsequent reply (... her many and varied conspiracy theories are surely a sign of low IQ, unable to face reality).

From you I expect reasoned refutation of the points made (quoted above).

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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #650 - Oct 12^th, 2023 at 10:56am

Frank wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 8:43pm:

An anthropomorphic god is too obviously a metaphor. You can't take it literally.

There is a lot of wisdom in religious teachings, as there is in literature, art and other imaginative human engagements with questions of meaning. Taking transcendent things literally, not noticing that we only have language, based on sensory experience, to talk about non-sensory aspects of our lives as if they were just like sensory experiences, is the trap both atheists and biblical literalist fall into and they are battling over nonsense.

Ah, so you DID respond, though not to my post specifically ( ...too difficult?)

Let's take a a closer look:

"An anthropomorphic god is too obviously a metaphor. You can't take it literally."

You and I can't, but politically powerful RW Christian Conservatives certainly DO take it seriously, see Pompeo's widely held theories on 'the rapture' and 'Armageddon'.

As for your next paragraph, we are in furious agreement, so when will you stop supporting biblical literalists' claims (eg "the Promised Land") on the WB?

Such claims cost PM Rabin his life (Rabin's murderer was a Jewish OT nut-job), and are a fundamental cause of the current mayhem; the 2-state solution is - in the course of decades - slowly disappearing before our eyes, as the IDF defends illegal settler OT nut-jobs.

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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #652 - Oct 12^th, 2023 at 1:34pm

Frank wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 8:43pm:

An anthropomorphic god is too obviously a metaphor. You can't take it literally.

There is a lot of wisdom in religious teachings, as there is in literature, art and other imaginative human engagements with questions of meaning. Taking transcendent things literally, not noticing that we only have language, based on sensory experience, to talk about non-sensory aspects of our lives as if they were just like sensory experiences, is the trap both atheists and biblical literalists fall into and they are battling over nonsense.

Hang on Frank. You yourself previously stated (that means you’re on record lol) that you were a cultural Christian.

Cultural Christians are Christian Atheists. In essence ...they are ATHEISTS.

So are you reprimanding yourself now?

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Reply #653 - Oct 12^th, 2023 at 1:40pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 12^th, 2023 at 10:38am:

Frank wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 4:39pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 10:57am:

The Hebrew phantom aka 'Jehovah' certainly really exists, regardless of whether atheism exists; it's weird that Jews and Muslims are at one another's throats, because Muhammad also adopted the Hebrew genocidal bronze-age, 'jealous god' Jehovah, as "the One True God".

And poor Jesus (who preached 'blessed are the peace-makers') has been caught up in it all , via the Holy Trinity dogma... hence Biden is standing by ready to eradicate Iran if she steps out of line....

But ironically, neither Jews nor Muslims accept the Trinity.

The "Peoples of the Book"...oh dear....

Cheeses, you ARE thick.

Er ...Frank, you know the drill....I expect more from you than low IQ Lisa with her subsequent reply (... her many and varied conspiracy theories are surely a sign of low IQ, unable to face reality).

From you I expect reasoned refutation of the points made (quoted above).

NotSoGreatOrSane

IF Frank wishes to waste his time on you then that’s his tough luck.

I’ve got better things to do than entertain an old boomer tosspot no hoper nutjob like you who’s been living off the tax payer for decades and who feels entitled to complain about it day in day out under a plethora of fake ids.

Bottom line? YOUR chronic low IQ bores me. And what’s more I don’t enjoy teaching 70/80 yr old layabouts like you who never bothered to get gainfully employed or tertiary educated and who think they can somehow make up for it all by googling and posting other people’s (paraphrased) opinions online. You have more than earned the disrespect I show you.

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Reply #654 - Oct 12^th, 2023 at 2:02pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 12^th, 2023 at 10:56am:

Frank wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 8:43pm:

An anthropomorphic god is too obviously a metaphor. You can't take it literally.

There is a lot of wisdom in religious teachings, as there is in literature, art and other imaginative human engagements with questions of meaning. Taking transcendent things literally, not noticing that we only have language, based on sensory experience, to talk about non-sensory aspects of our lives as if they were just like sensory experiences, is the trap both atheists and biblical literalist fall into and they are battling over nonsense.

Ah, so you DID respond, though not to my post specifically ( ...too difficult?)

Let's take a a closer look:

"An anthropomorphic god is too obviously a metaphor. You can't take it literally."

You and I can't, but politically powerful RW Christian Conservatives certainly DO take it seriously, see Pompeo's widely held theories on 'the rapture' and 'Armageddon'.

As for your next paragraph, we are in furious agreement, so when will you stop supporting biblical literalists' claims (eg "the Promised Land") on the WB?

Such claims cost PM Rabin his life (Rabin's murderer was a Jewish OT nut-job), and are a fundamental cause of the current mayhem; the 2-state solution is - in the course of decades - slowly disappearing before our eyes, as the IDF defends illegal settler OT nut-jobs.

The Muslims didn't accept the two state solution in 1947 or any time since.
Hamas, Hezb'allah, the ayatollahs and imams and their flocks only accept a one state solution, a Muslim state solution 'from the rive rr to the sea'.

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Reply #655 - Oct 12^th, 2023 at 2:03pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 12^th, 2023 at 1:34pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 8:43pm:

An anthropomorphic god is too obviously a metaphor. You can't take it literally.

There is a lot of wisdom in religious teachings, as there is in literature, art and other imaginative human engagements with questions of meaning. Taking transcendent things literally, not noticing that we only have language, based on sensory experience, to talk about non-sensory aspects of our lives as if they were just like sensory experiences, is the trap both atheists and biblical literalists fall into and they are battling over nonsense.

Hang on Frank. You yourself previously stated (that means you’re on record lol) that you were a cultural Christian.

Cultural Christians are Christian Atheists. In essence ...they are ATHEISTS.

So are you reprimanding yourself now?

Well spotted. I meant literalist atheists.

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Reply #656 - Oct 12^th, 2023 at 2:12pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 12^th, 2023 at 1:40pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 12^th, 2023 at 10:38am:

Frank wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 4:39pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 10:57am:

The Hebrew phantom aka 'Jehovah' certainly really exists, regardless of whether atheism exists; it's weird that Jews and Muslims are at one another's throats, because Muhammad also adopted the Hebrew genocidal bronze-age, 'jealous god' Jehovah, as "the One True God".

And poor Jesus (who preached 'blessed are the peace-makers') has been caught up in it all , via the Holy Trinity dogma... hence Biden is standing by ready to eradicate Iran if she steps out of line....

But ironically, neither Jews nor Muslims accept the Trinity.

The "Peoples of the Book"...oh dear....

Cheeses, you ARE thick.

Er ...Frank, you know the drill....I expect more from you than low IQ Lisa with her subsequent reply (... her many and varied conspiracy theories are surely a sign of low IQ, unable to face reality).

From you I expect reasoned refutation of the points made (quoted above).

NotSoGreatOrSane

IF Frank wishes to waste his time on you then that’s his tough luck.

I’ve got better things to do than entertain an old boomer tosspot no hoper nutjob like you who’s been living off the tax payer for decades and who feels entitled to complain about it day in day out under a plethora of fake ids.

Bottom line? YOUR chronic low IQ bores me. And what’s more I don’t enjoy teaching 70/80 yr old layabouts like you who never bothered to get gainfully employed or tertiary educated and who think they can somehow make up for it all by googling and posting other people’s (paraphrased) opinions online. You have more than earned the disrespect I show you.

Looks like Larry is out of codeine. When does he get his next age pension payment?

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Reply #657 - Oct 12^th, 2023 at 2:53pm

Frank wrote on Oct 12^th, 2023 at 2:03pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 12^th, 2023 at 1:34pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 8:43pm:

An anthropomorphic god is too obviously a metaphor. You can't take it literally.

There is a lot of wisdom in religious teachings, as there is in literature, art and other imaginative human engagements with questions of meaning. Taking transcendent things literally, not noticing that we only have language, based on sensory experience, to talk about non-sensory aspects of our lives as if they were just like sensory experiences, is the trap both atheists and biblical literalists fall into and they are battling over nonsense.

Hang on Frank. You yourself previously stated (that means you’re on record lol) that you were a cultural Christian.

Cultural Christians are Christian Atheists. In essence ...they are ATHEISTS.

So are you reprimanding yourself now?

Well spotted. I meant literalist atheists.

Literalist Atheists.

Perhaps we ought to compile a list of the many type of Atheist strands on offer. 😂🤣😆

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Reply #658 - Oct 12^th, 2023 at 3:18pm

Frank wrote on Oct 12^th, 2023 at 2:02pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 12^th, 2023 at 10:56am:

Frank wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 8:43pm:

An anthropomorphic god is too obviously a metaphor. You can't take it literally.

There is a lot of wisdom in religious teachings, as there is in literature, art and other imaginative human engagements with questions of meaning. Taking transcendent things literally, not noticing that we only have language, based on sensory experience, to talk about non-sensory aspects of our lives as if they were just like sensory experiences, is the trap both atheists and biblical literalist fall into and they are battling over nonsense.

Ah, so you DID respond, though not to my post specifically ( ...too difficult?)

Let's take a a closer look:

"An anthropomorphic god is too obviously a metaphor. You can't take it literally."

You and I can't, but politically powerful RW Christian Conservatives certainly DO take it seriously, see Pompeo's widely held theories on 'the rapture' and 'Armageddon'.

As for your next paragraph, we are in furious agreement, so when will you stop supporting biblical literalists' claims (eg "the Promised Land") on the WB?

Such claims cost PM Rabin his life (Rabin's murderer was a Jewish OT nut-job), and are a fundamental cause of the current mayhem; the 2-state solution is - in the course of decades - slowly disappearing before our eyes, as the IDF defends illegal settler OT nut-jobs.

The Muslims didn't accept the two state solution in 1947 or any time since.
Hamas, Hezb'allah, the ayatollahs and imams and their flocks only accept a one state solution, a Muslim state solution 'from the rive rr to the sea'.

Wrong topic?

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Reply #659 - Oct 12^th, 2023 at 3:37pm

Frank wrote on Oct 12^th, 2023 at 2:02pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Oct 12^th, 2023 at 10:56am:

Frank wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 8:43pm:

An anthropomorphic god is too obviously a metaphor. You can't take it literally.

There is a lot of wisdom in religious teachings, as there is in literature, art and other imaginative human engagements with questions of meaning. Taking transcendent things literally, not noticing that we only have language, based on sensory experience, to talk about non-sensory aspects of our lives as if they were just like sensory experiences, is the trap both atheists and biblical literalist fall into and they are battling over nonsense.

Ah, so you DID respond, though not to my post specifically ( ...too difficult?)

Let's take a a closer look:

"An anthropomorphic god is too obviously a metaphor. You can't take it literally."

You and I can't, but politically powerful RW Christian Conservatives certainly DO take it seriously, see Pompeo's widely held theories on 'the rapture' and 'Armageddon'.

As for your next paragraph, we are in furious agreement, so when will you stop supporting biblical literalists' claims (eg "the Promised Land") on the WB?

Such claims cost PM Rabin his life (Rabin's murderer was a Jewish OT nut-job), and are a fundamental cause of the current mayhem; the 2-state solution is - in the course of decades - slowly disappearing before our eyes, as the IDF defends illegal settler OT nut-jobs.

The Muslims didn't accept the two state solution in 1947 or any time since.
Hamas, Hezb'allah, the ayatollahs and imams and their flocks only accept a one state solution, a Muslim state solution 'from the rive rr to the sea'.

I doubt the Israelis accepted a two state solution either.

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