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Postmodern Trendoid III Gold Member Offline Posts: 10266 Gender:	Re: Does Atheism really exist? Reply #690 - Oct 24^th, 2023 at 9:21pm Know the deepest, longest instincts, ones that cut across time and cultures and you will know God.
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Postmodern Trendoid III Gold Member Offline Posts: 10266 Gender:	Re: Does Atheism really exist? Reply #691 - Oct 24^th, 2023 at 9:21pm .
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47491 Gender:	Re: Does Atheism really exist? Reply #692 - Oct 25^th, 2023 at 6:55am Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 24^th, 2023 at 9:16pm: Atheism is just the absence of belief in god. Atheists will fill this absence with other beliefs: nationalism, wokism, traditions, 'progressive' bleatings about some future utopia etc. Garbage.
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SadKangaroo Gold Member Offline #FightStupid Posts: 17303 Mianjin (Brisbane)	Re: Does Atheism really exist? Reply #693 - Oct 25^th, 2023 at 9:14am Jasin wrote on Oct 24^th, 2023 at 5:50pm: Atheism = Anti Religious and nothing more. Do you ever tire of being wrong?
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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #694 - Oct 25^th, 2023 at 9:16am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 24^th, 2023 at 9:16pm:

Atheism is just the absence of belief in god.
Atheists will fill this absence with other beliefs: nationalism, wokism, traditions, 'progressive' bleatings about some future utopia etc.

That's like saying religious people are evil and selfish and only pretend to do good things because they're worried about their own afterlife and not because they actually care about their fellow man.

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Postmodern Trendoid III Gold Member Offline Posts: 10266 Gender:	Re: Does Atheism really exist? Reply #695 - Oct 25^th, 2023 at 8:28pm Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 25^th, 2023 at 6:55am: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 24^th, 2023 at 9:16pm: Atheism is just the absence of belief in god. Atheists will fill this absence with other beliefs: nationalism, wokism, traditions, 'progressive' bleatings about some future utopia etc. Garbage. Why?
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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #696 - Oct 25^th, 2023 at 8:28pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 25^th, 2023 at 9:16am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 24^th, 2023 at 9:16pm:

Atheism is just the absence of belief in god.
Atheists will fill this absence with other beliefs: nationalism, wokism, traditions, 'progressive' bleatings about some future utopia etc.

That's like saying religious people are evil and selfish and only pretend to do good things because they're worried about their own afterlife and not because they actually care about their fellow man.

huh?

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Reply #697 - Oct 25^th, 2023 at 9:00pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 24^th, 2023 at 9:16pm:

Atheism is just the absence of belief in god.
Atheists will fill this absence with other beliefs: nationalism, wokism, traditions, 'progressive' bleatings about some future utopia etc.

It's not that simple in defining atheism.

Firstly, and most notably, there is no "absence"
of belief that needs "filling". (What a bizarre claim.)

I'm an "implicit atheist", defined as "the
absence of theistic belief without a conscious
rejection of it", or, as I prefer an ignostic.

So...

Theological non-cognitivism is the non-theist
position that religious language, particularly
theological terminology such as "God" or "gods", are
not intelligible or meaningful, and thus sentences
like "God exists" are cognitively meaningless. (It can
be considered synonymous with ignosticism.)

When asserting the proposition that God exists,
the acceptance or rejection of the proposition
is distinct from the concept. With no knowledge
of "God", he/she/it can be described minimally with
the attributes of supernaturality, omnipotentcy, and
invisibility.

Theological non-cognitivism is contrasted with
positive atheism—which describes not only a lack of
a belief in gods but also denies that gods exist,
thereby giving credence to the existence of a
concept of something for "God" to refer to, because
it assumes that there is something understandable
to not believe in .

In simple terms then, you cannot disbelieve in
something that's never been proved to exist.

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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #698 - Oct 25^th, 2023 at 9:17pm

AusGeoff wrote on Oct 25^th, 2023 at 9:00pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 24^th, 2023 at 9:16pm:

Atheism is just the absence of belief in god.
Atheists will fill this absence with other beliefs: nationalism, wokism, traditions, 'progressive' bleatings about some future utopia etc.

It's not that simple in defining atheism.

Firstly, and most notably, there is no "absence"
of belief that needs "filling". (What a bizarre claim.)

I'm an "implicit atheist", defined as "the
absence of theistic belief without a conscious
rejection of it", or, as I prefer an ignostic.

So...

Theological non-cognitivism is the non-theist
position that religious language, particularly
theological terminology such as "God" or "gods", are
not intelligible or meaningful, and thus sentences
like "God exists" are cognitively meaningless. (It can
be considered synonymous with ignosticism.)

When asserting the proposition that God exists,
the acceptance or rejection of the proposition
is distinct from the concept. With no knowledge
of "God", he/she/it can be described minimally with
the attributes of supernaturality, omnipotentcy, and
invisibility.

Theological non-cognitivism is contrasted with
positive atheism—which describes not only a lack of
a belief in gods but also denies that gods exist,
thereby giving credence to the existence of a
concept of something for "God" to refer to, because
it assumes that there is something understandable
to not believe in .

In simple terms then, you cannot disbelieve in
something that's never been proved to exist.

bro, everybody believes in something, whether god or secular. there is indeed a filling of some description.

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12636 Gender:	Re: Does Atheism really exist? Reply #699 - Oct 25^th, 2023 at 9:36pm AusGeoff wrote on Oct 25^th, 2023 at 9:00pm: In simple terms then, you cannot disbelieve in something that's never been proved to exist. So you can't disbelieve in Santa Claus, then.
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Reply #700 - Oct 26^th, 2023 at 5:23pm

AusGeoff wrote on Oct 24^th, 2023 at 7:20pm:

Jasin wrote on Oct 24^th, 2023 at 5:50pm:

...Atheism = Anti Religious and nothing more.

Nope. Totally wrong. Atheists aren't specifically
anti-religion, and are just as likely to be anti about
other random stuff, just like everybody else.

This shows—again—that you don't understand what
it means to describe oneself as an atheist.

You're funny sometimes.
The 'core' of Atheists are to be ANTI religious.
It's a simple thing to understand.
If there are other things they are ANTI about, then provide some?

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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.

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Reply #701 - Oct 26^th, 2023 at 5:24pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 25^th, 2023 at 6:55am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 24^th, 2023 at 9:16pm:

Atheism is just the absence of belief in god.
Atheists will fill this absence with other beliefs: nationalism, wokism, traditions, 'progressive' bleatings about some future utopia etc.

Garbage.

Shut up you drunk.
You're out of your intellectual depth here and it shows.

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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 48853 Gender:	Re: Does Atheism really exist? Reply #702 - Oct 26^th, 2023 at 5:25pm SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 25^th, 2023 at 9:14am: Jasin wrote on Oct 24^th, 2023 at 5:50pm: Atheism = Anti Religious and nothing more. Do you ever tire of being wrong? Only when proven to be wrong. Until then, I'll stick to my opinion and not to your 'invisible' reason as to why I am wrong.
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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 48853 Gender:	Re: Does Atheism really exist? Reply #703 - Oct 26^th, 2023 at 5:28pm Atheism is like someone responding to a post of another saying they are wrong or 'garbage', but not being able to post anything further as to 'why' they are wrong or why it's garbage. It's an empty bag of air.
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Re: Does Atheism really exist?
Reply #704 - Oct 27^th, 2023 at 12:53am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 25^th, 2023 at 9:17pm:

AusGeoff wrote on Oct 25^th, 2023 at 9:00pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Oct 24^th, 2023 at 9:16pm:

Atheism is just the absence of belief in god.
Atheists will fill this absence with other beliefs: nationalism, wokism, traditions, 'progressive' bleatings about some future utopia etc.

It's not that simple in defining atheism.

Firstly, and most notably, there is no "absence"
of belief that needs "filling". (What a bizarre claim.)

I'm an "implicit atheist", defined as "the
absence of theistic belief without a conscious
rejection of it", or, as I prefer an ignostic.

So...

Theological non-cognitivism is the non-theist
position that religious language, particularly
theological terminology such as "God" or "gods", are
not intelligible or meaningful, and thus sentences
like "God exists" are cognitively meaningless. (It can
be considered synonymous with ignosticism.)

When asserting the proposition that God exists,
the acceptance or rejection of the proposition
is distinct from the concept. With no knowledge
of "God", he/she/it can be described minimally with
the attributes of supernaturality, omnipotentcy, and
invisibility.

Theological non-cognitivism is contrasted with
positive atheism—which describes not only a lack of
a belief in gods but also denies that gods exist,
thereby giving credence to the existence of a
concept of something for "God" to refer to, because
it assumes that there is something understandable
to not believe in .

In simple terms then, you cannot disbelieve in
something that's never been proved to exist.

bro, everybody believes in something, whether god or secular. there is indeed a filling of some description.

Sorry JaSin, but I'm beginning to think you really
don't have any grasp of what atheism actually is.

Being "anti-religious" is not the "core" of atheism in
any way. I don't even know from where or from whom
you got that absurd notion.

In fact, there's far more evidence indicating hatred
directed at atheists from the theists.

At O'Hare Airport in 1987 George H.W. Bush held
a formal news conference. There Robert Sherman,
a reporter for the American Atheist news journal,
and fully accredited by the state of Illinois, had the
following exchange with then-Vice-President Bush:

Sherman: What will you do to win the votes of
the Americans who are atheists?

Bush: I guess I'm pretty weak in the atheist
community. Faith in God is important to me.

Sherman: Surely you recognize the equal
citizenship and patriotism of Americans who
are atheists?

Bush: No, I don't know that atheists should be
considered as citizens, nor should they be
considered patriots. This is one nation under God.

Sherman (somewhat taken aback): Do you
support as a sound constitutional principle the
separation of state and church?

Bush: Yes, I support the separation of church and
state. I'm just not very high on atheists.

Cheesy

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