MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 27^th, 2023 at 12:42pm:


I would have been about 10 grade 5 or 6 I think it was.  I remember the classroom I was in on the day it happened. 

Now that I think about it, it may have been grade 7 going by the class room, so I would have been 12? which at the time was our last year before High School.

I didn't know what an atheist was or what atheism was, I just no longer feared or believed in God.

Too many times things didn't make sense or contradicted other information and both couldn't be true.  I'd had enough of being guilt tripped into not asking questions or that not simply believing meant there was something wrong with me. 

There was also a scandal at our church, thankfully one that didn't involve children.

I didn't think much about the change at the time, I didn't really tell anyone, it was just for me.

SadKangaroo wrote on Oct 27^th, 2023 at 3:41pm:

At 12, you'd have well had the cognisant wherewithal to consider yourself an atheist.

Jasin wrote on Oct 27^th, 2023 at 3:57pm:


Atheism isn't an organised movement, they don't have an agenda to be pro or against.

It describes someone who doesn't believe in something.

That's not the same as being anti. 

It's really not a difficult concept to understand.  You, like with all the other topics you seem to be so passionate about, seem to need an enemy to cast yourself as the victim of for some pathetic reason.

You should be able to rely on the strength of your argument, but instead, you default to victimhood.

What are you, a lefty?

You have such a defeatist attitude.  It's sad to the point I almost pitty you.

Jasin wrote on Oct 27^th, 2023 at 4:21pm:


You're lying about my position and what I've said, you're not even quoting me to support your claims so I have to ask why?

What could possibly motivate you to do that?

Not only that, why would you go out of your way to paint me as your enemy?

You're begging for a fight and I don't know why.

It's just like in other topics.  You make wildly inaccurate claims about the positions of those who don't agree with you in an effort to make it a good vs evil, painting yourself as "good" and a victim of evil

Even when you're winning, or at least on winning side of say the referendum.

You keep acting like you lost, begging for sympathy being oppressed by an established or establishment aligned position.

I can't be any clearer, atheist is simply someone who doesn't believe in God.

That's it.

You don't have to insert your confrontational "there has to be good vs evil, pro vs anti", you're getting lost in the tactics that you've clearly built into your psyche after being on the wrong, and losing side, of so many issues for so very long.

To get back on topic, atheism does exist within those who don't believe in a god or gods, but it's not an instition or has any sort of organisational structure like a religion would, so it's not the same thing and can't be compared directly.

That is my opinion.

Pro or anti anything doesn't come into it.  That's just a distraction from a small minded cry baby who wants try and shift the argument to a gotcha they think they have but don't actually posses.

Jasin wrote on Oct 27^th, 2023 at 8:26pm:


You're so oppressed, cry me a river.

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You made a false claim about me and I corrected the record.  I'm sorry you don't like the truth.

I wasn't even engaging with you until you quoted me directly with what your opinion of atheism is.

You're entitled to that opinion, that it's anti-religion.  But I don't have to agree, especially when that isn't true.

But you don't like someone pointing out you're wrong, so you tell me to kill myself?

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There is no hate like Christian love.

And yet you both have continued to fail in regards to give examples of what an Atheist is 'pro' (believes in) about as opposed to what you both disagree with in that an Atheist is 'Anti-Religious' specifically.

Until you both find some balls to deliver with good line and length, I suggest you both shut your mouths beyond just attacking me personally because you both can't put up a substantial answer and 'No', I'm one of the few members on this Forum who isn't afraid to be proven wrong for the greater good of understanding, so I don't need to 'cry a river' of victimhood - just to make you feel more comfortable with your intellectual insecurities which is most apparent - unlike other posters in this Topic.

So do tell. What is Atheism about, if not just being 'Anti-Religious'?
C'mon. Sound up like you both have a pair!
Put up or shut up.

You've basically confirmed that Atheism is an 'Anti' Religious thing.
It's not anti-political, anti-sport, anti-medical, etc, etc.
It's just anti-Religious.

I know what Atheists are leaning towards as 'Pro' - but for the sake of this Topic. I won't say what it is - yet. Just my opinion of course. I think most Atheists are afraid to admit why they are Anti-Religious in favour of something else. They seem to emanate from the same culture in being Anti-Religious and we know Atheists are 'anti' against Religion because they're the ones who come out swinging the most against Religion.

You're missing the point SK.
If I was a Christian, I wouldn't be anti-Mohommedism - because I would be 'Pro' Christian.
Just like I wouldn't be anti-Mohommedism if I considered myself as a Pro-Liberal or a Pro-Footballer and Pro anything else.
Can you see where Atheism falls into the chasm of nothingness?
It's an 'anti' (Religious) because it isn't 'pro' in being something else.
It's a 'No' (to Religion specifically), but it isn't 'Yes' to anything else.

In essence, if it wasn't for Religion - Atheism would cease to exist entirely.