Brian Ross wrote on Oct 3
rd, 2023 at 11:47am:
Boris wrote on Oct 2
nd, 2023 at 9:43pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 2
nd, 2023 at 2:18pm:
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gifOh, dearie, dearie, me, more bullshit from Matty, hey? We know it's bullshit 'cause it doesn't have any references, apart from the claims of a Youtube video. Time you grew up, Matty and came out from your mother's basement into the real world... Tsk, tsk, tsk...
It is not Bullshit - and all the citations are extensive and easily found and he talks about them and shows them.
Are you saying they were Never Cannibals? Is that your line - Bullshit - they were never Cannibals!
If you say that you are a liar - there is extensive of evidence for Cannibalism and Infanticide.
"Cannibalism" was a charge usually levelled by Colonists to justify their hatred and oppression of Indigenous people the world over, often without proof. The proof you offer is those charges, Matty. Time to leave your mother's basement and join the real world outside and actually read the modern research on the topic. Tsk, tsk, tsk...
Plenty of people recorded it
Are you saying it never happened?
Bates set up something of a secular indigenous community which provided practical assistance to tribes being forced out of their traditional lands. Towards the end of her book, though, Bates records the following exchange:
I often asked my natives why they did not return to their own waters.
‘No,’ they said, ‘we can’t go back, we would be stalked and killed by the relations of those we killed and ate on our way to Ooldea Water. We are safe here with you, but if we went back we would kill and eat our own people again, and when those whose brothers and fathers we killed and ate came to Yooldil Gabba, you’look out’ Kabbarli [the name they gave to Bates], and you don’t let them eat us or let us eat them and so we can all sit down with you, but in our own country we must kill and eat our kind…”
Bates’ book is peppered with similar anecdotes and observations. Bates herself witnessed multiple occasions when women gave birth and ate their own children, expressing their preference for what they called, “baby meat”.
Another book I came across is the two-volume work by Sir Baldwin Spencer and F.J. Gillen, The Arunta: a study of a stone age people (MacMillan, 1927). It is a masterful account and model of scientific enquiry. Towards the end of the second volume, there is a provocative section entitled, ‘Cannibalism’ which contained the following extended description:
There is very clear evidence, if traditions may be regarded as such, that during a former stage cannibalism was a well-recognised custom. We have already described certain ceremonies performed at the Engwura which can only be regarded as pointing back to the existence of a different state of affairs from that which now obtains. For example, in the Quabarra Ingwurninga inkinja[1], two men had their bodies decorated with circles of white down which were supposed to represent the skulls of slain and eaten men. The performers themselves represented the Ulthana or spirits of the dead men wandering about in search of those who had killed and eaten them. In another ceremony two Achilpa men were engaged in cooking the body of a third; in another, concerned with the white bat totem, one of the performers carried on his head an object representing a limp, dead body; and in the traditions dealing with the wanderings of the wild dogs, the men are continually referred to as killing and eating other wild dog men and women.
These ceremonies may be regarded as probably indicative of what took place in part times amongst the ancestors of the present Arunta tribe, and of what still takes place amongst the Luritcha tribe, by whom enemies are said to be eaten. Care is always taken at the present day, amongst the latter, to destroy the bones, as the natives believe that unless this is done the victims will arise from their coming together and will follow and harm those who have killed and eaten them. It is regarded as especially essential to destroy the skull—an existing belief which may be compared with the tradition referring to the early lizard men, whose head was not destroyed, and who therefore came to life again when his brother spoke to the head.
In the Luritcha tribe also young children are sometimes killed and eaten, and it is not an infrequent custom, when a child is in weak health, to kill a younger and healthy one and then to feed the weakling on its flesh, the idea being that this will give to the weak child the strength of the stronger one.
As usual in regard to customs such as this, it is by no means easy to find out exactly what takes place, as the natives of one part of the country will assure you that they do not indulge in the habit, but that they know that those of other parts do. When the accused are questioned, they in turn lay the same charge against their accusers, and so on, often from group to group.(494-495, Vol. 2)
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