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Gordon Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20660 Gordon Gender:	Re: Have you voted yet? Reply #105 - Oct 10^th, 2023 at 2:58pm Speaking of Donkeys, here's Mothra on a donkey ride https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSNYNpn3t/
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Re: Have you voted yet?
Reply #106 - Oct 10^th, 2023 at 2:59pm

Jasin wrote on Oct 10^th, 2023 at 2:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 10^th, 2023 at 2:32pm:

Jasin wrote on Oct 10^th, 2023 at 2:17pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9^th, 2023 at 9:03pm:

Jasin wrote on Oct 9^th, 2023 at 7:02pm:

I think I'll just shove the forms in my pocket with neither No or Yes and just walk out the door.

Plus, who will the 'donkey votes' go to?
The Yes crowd or the No??

Informal votes you mean?

They’re not included.

Usually 'Donkey Votes' go to the Party in Power.
So does this mean, the YES (via ALP) crowd get to benefit from the Donkey Votes.
...now an 'informal vote', say someone scribbles "get stuffed" on it - could also be considered a 'donkey vote' to the advantage of the YES/ALP???

A donkey vote goes to whichever candidate is on the top of the ballot paper.

It does not usually go to the party in power. FFS, who told you that crap?

A donkey vote is when someone numbers the boxes in order starting with 1 at the top and working their way down 2, 3, 4, etc.

A donkey vote is a valid vote, and it goes to whoever has the box at the top.

An informal vote is something completely different, and they go to nobody.

Stop spreading bullshit.

FFS, how are people this stupid? Roll Eyes

Definition: A donkey vote occurs when an elector simply numbers the ballot paper from top to bottom (or bottom to top) without regard to the logic of the preference allocation.

A donkey vote is counted as a valid vote because it contains a number “1” and has numbered every square in sequential order.

Many people believe that donkey votes are informal. This is not true.

A donkey vote is counted as a valid/formal vote. Provided the voter has marked the number “1” against a candidate and numbered the other candidates in order of preference, the vote will be counted.

Wasn't talking to you gay-weakling pecker

Makes no difference who you were talking to, you're still spreading lies. Complete & utter bullshit.

Do yourself a favour and volunteer to be a scrutineer.

Then you'll see what actually happens with the ballots.

FFS, there's no hope for some people Roll Eyes

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Reply #107 - Oct 10^th, 2023 at 6:20pm

Jasin wrote on Oct 10^th, 2023 at 2:17pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9^th, 2023 at 9:03pm:

Jasin wrote on Oct 9^th, 2023 at 7:02pm:

I think I'll just shove the forms in my pocket with neither No or Yes and just walk out the door.

Plus, who will the 'donkey votes' go to?
The Yes crowd or the No??

Informal votes you mean?

They’re not included.

Usually 'Donkey Votes' go to the Party in Power.
So does this mean, the YES (via ALP) crowd get to benefit from the Donkey Votes.
...now an 'informal vote', say someone scribbles "get stuffed" on it - could also be considered a 'donkey vote' to the advantage of the YES/ALP???

No donkey voting is not an option in a Yes / No vote. I guess you could write Donkey in the box ?

I thought about voting maybe.

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Re: Have you voted yet?
Reply #108 - Oct 10^th, 2023 at 9:04pm

Jasin wrote on Oct 10^th, 2023 at 2:17pm:

...Usually 'Donkey Votes' go to the Party in Power.
So does this mean, the YES (via ALP) crowd get to benefit from the Donkey Votes.
...now an 'informal vote', say someone scribbles "get stuffed" on it - could also be considered a 'donkey vote' to the advantage of the YES/ALP?

This indicates that you have no idea of what constitutes
a "donkey" vote. Of course each of your votes go to the
party selected on the ballot paper by the way you number
it—in this case with "1" at the top, and running down
consecutively.

It never ceases to surprise, and disturb me, how little
people really know about the Australian electoral system.
And Jasin's response here is a classic example.

—Sad really. Roll Eyes

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Reply #109 - Oct 10^th, 2023 at 10:25pm

AusGeoff wrote on Oct 10^th, 2023 at 9:04pm:

Jasin wrote on Oct 10^th, 2023 at 2:17pm:

...Usually 'Donkey Votes' go to the Party in Power.
So does this mean, the YES (via ALP) crowd get to benefit from the Donkey Votes.
...now an 'informal vote', say someone scribbles "get stuffed" on it - could also be considered a 'donkey vote' to the advantage of the YES/ALP?

This indicates that you have no idea of what constitutes
a "donkey" vote. Of course each of your votes go to the
party selected on the ballot paper by the way you number
it—in this case with "1" at the top, and running down
consecutively.

It never ceases to surprise, and disturb me, how little
people really know about the Australian electoral system.
And Jasin's response here is a classic example.

—Sad really. Roll Eyes

Not sure you are correct here, things are a little different in Jasin's world.

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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 84931 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Have you voted yet? Reply #110 - Oct 10^th, 2023 at 11:48pm Nope - did me training today - only got 100% on the test - it clearly says YES or NO... nothing else. Tighter with this than with the elections I've done. No hankey-pankey.
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Re: Have you voted yet?
Reply #111 - Oct 11^th, 2023 at 1:30am

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Oct 10^th, 2023 at 11:48pm:

Nope - did me training today - only got 100% on the test - it clearly says YES or NO... nothing else. Tighter with this than with the elections I've done.

No hankey-pankey.

Seen as you are 'in the know' Grapps.
Tell me. If I write on the voting paper "Peccary is a Gay weakling that serves Africa" - does that go to the Yes vote?

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Re: Have you voted yet?
Reply #112 - Oct 11^th, 2023 at 7:24am

Jasin wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 1:30am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Oct 10^th, 2023 at 11:48pm:

Nope - did me training today - only got 100% on the test - it clearly says YES or NO... nothing else. Tighter with this than with the elections I've done.

No hankey-pankey.

Seen as you are 'in the know' Grapps.
Tell me. If I write on the voting paper "Peccary is a Gay weakling that serves Africa" - does that go to the Yes vote?

That goes into the presidential election which comes later... as a YES for loose nuts..

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Reply #113 - Oct 11^th, 2023 at 9:51am

AusGeoff wrote on Oct 9^th, 2023 at 9:23pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 9^th, 2023 at 4:07pm:

...Well, I could go to, say, 15 polling booths and vote 15 time under someone's name. At the end of they day, they will identify that someone voted 15 times but they will not be able to identify and remove the actual ballot papers with the fraudulent multiple votes. Those fake votes would stay counted.

Not so Frank. You're identified by both your residential
address, and your name on the Electoral Roll.

You therefore couldn't cast a ballot 15 times. And this
silly concept makes me think you don't understand the
checks and balances in the AEC's fraud detection system.

And no; of course the fake votes wouldn't be counted LOL.

They could not identify the 15 ballot papers the votes would strand. They would not discover the multiple voting, at different booths, until they electronically matched the rolls they cross off manually when you front up and give your neighbour's name and address.

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 49009 Gender:	Re: Have you voted yet? Reply #114 - Oct 11^th, 2023 at 10:06am Why do I get the impression that this Vote is more like something out of the Delta & Seal Show for singing?
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Re: Have you voted yet?
Reply #115 - Oct 11^th, 2023 at 10:06am

Frank wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 9:51am:

AusGeoff wrote on Oct 9^th, 2023 at 9:23pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 9^th, 2023 at 4:07pm:

...Well, I could go to, say, 15 polling booths and vote 15 time under someone's name. At the end of they day, they will identify that someone voted 15 times but they will not be able to identify and remove the actual ballot papers with the fraudulent multiple votes. Those fake votes would stay counted.

Not so Frank. You're identified by both your residential
address, and your name on the Electoral Roll.

You therefore couldn't cast a ballot 15 times. And this
silly concept makes me think you don't understand the
checks and balances in the AEC's fraud detection system.

And no; of course the fake votes wouldn't be counted LOL.

They could not identify the 15 ballot papers the votes would strand. They would not discover the multiple voting, at different booths, until they electronically matched the rolls they cross off manually when you front up and give your neighbour's name and address.

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They could not identify the 15 ballot papers the votes would strand.

Yes and if these votes made a difference in the election result there would be a remedy.

If this happens it is part of the expected 0.01% of multiple votes typical of Australian elections. It just does not make any difference. There was an election over 100 years back where it did make a difference and there was a by-election and a few other examples.

Obviously if there is 50 double votes in an election won by 20 votes the result will not be confirmed or in this case if there are 50 multiple votes and the no vote wins by 20 action will be taken likely if it sways the overall result.

It is just not relevant at 0.01%. Trying to fix it would likely create a much greater risk.

An example would be to create a large networked DB so that each name could only crossed off once. This would expose network security problems and a huge cost for virtually no gain @ huge risk.

Should we spend say $500 million to fix a 0.01% issue when people would just find a different way to cheat and likely be more successful say taking it to 1% ?

You do all get that this isn't going to be close ? I doubt a multiple vote of 20% would sway the result.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74824 Gender:	Re: Have you voted yet? Reply #116 - Oct 11^th, 2023 at 10:08am Quote: Have you voted yet? still no
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 58791 Here Gender:	Re: Have you voted yet? Reply #117 - Oct 11^th, 2023 at 10:11am John Smith wrote on Oct 11^th, 2023 at 10:08am: Quote: Have you voted yet? still no I have this time but 95% of the time I vote on the day. This year I will be away for the week.
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Reply #118 - Oct 11^th, 2023 at 10:19am

C'MON SMITH & DNAREVER - SING ALONG!!!

"We have the chance to turn the pages over
We can write what we want to write
We gotta make ends meet, before we get much older
We're all someone's daughter
We're all someone's son
How long can we look at each other
Down the barrel of a gun?
You're the voice, try and understand it
Make the noise and make it clear, oh, woah
We're not gonna sit in silence
We're not gonna live with fear, oh, woah
This time, we know we all can stand together
With the power to be powerful
Believing we can make it better
Ooh, we're all someone's daughter
We're all someone's son, oh
How long can we look at each other
Down the barrel of a gun?
You're the voice, try and understand it
Make the noise and make it clear, oh, woah
We're not gonna sit in silence
We're not gonna live with fear, oh, woah
Ooh, we're all someone's daughter
We're all someone's son
How long can we look at each other
Down the barrel of a gun?
You're the voice, try and understand it
Make the noise and make it clear, oh, woah
We're not gonna sit in silence
We're not gonna live with fear, oh, woah
You're the voice, try and understand it
Make the noise and make it clear, oh, woah
We're not gonna sit in silence
We're not gonna live with fear, oh, woah
You're the voice, try and understand it
Make the noise and make it clear, oh, woah
(We're not gonna sit in silence) We're not gonna sit in silence
(We're not gonna live with fear), oh, woah
You're the voice, try and understand it
Make the noise and make it clear, oh, woah
We're not gonna sit in silence
We're not gonna live with fear, oh, woah"

Delta & Seal want your votes!!!!

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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.

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Re: Have you voted yet?
Reply #119 - Oct 11^th, 2023 at 10:19am

Gordon wrote on Oct 10^th, 2023 at 2:58pm:

Speaking of Donkeys, here's Mothra on a donkey ride

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSNYNpn3t/

OMG!!!

You bugger! You owe me a new keyboard! I’ve spilled some tea on this one 😂🤣😆

The perfect pic of Massive Methra sitting on/squashing Dumbarse Drunk Donkey and Five Foot Frodo Fruitloop struggling to push them along Grin

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