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Re: Have you voted yet?
Reply #75 - Oct 9^th, 2023 at 4:49pm

Dnarever wrote on Oct 9^th, 2023 at 4:31pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 9^th, 2023 at 4:07pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 9^th, 2023 at 4:03pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 7^th, 2023 at 10:16pm:

We have a major flaw with our voting system.

People can vote numerous times.

There is nothing stopping people voting at several polling locations.

If caught they cannot remove your vote because it doesn't have your name on it.

Actually, voter fraud is negligible in Australian elections

What was claimed

The Australian electoral process does not protect against multiple voting and other types of voter fraud.

The verdict

False. The Australian Electoral Commission has multiple measures to protect the integrity of elections, including cross-referencing electoral rolls and the use of party-appointed scrutineers.

Well, I could go to, say, 15 polling booths and vote 15 time under someone's name. At the end of they day, they will identify that someone voted 15 times but they will not be able to identify and remove the actual ballot papers with the fradulent multiple votes. Those fake votes would stay counted.

If the AEC read your proposition they may choose to do this:

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Injunction:

Section 383 of the Electoral Act provides that the Federal Court may grant an injunction against a person who has engaged, is engaging, or is proposing to engage in any activity that contravenes the Electoral Act (or other Commonwealth law as it relates to elections) to restrain them from engaging in the conduct. Section 383 specifies that either a candidate in the election or the AEC may apply to the Federal Court for an injunction. Electors who are not candidates are not able to independently apply to the Federal Court for an injunction and should instead notify the AEC.

Section 139 of the Referendum Act provides for similar injunctions in relation to activities that contravene the Referendum Act. Section 139 specifies that only the AEC may apply to the Federal Court for an injunction. All other persons are not able to independently apply to the Federal Court for an injunction and should instead notify the AEC.

OR: This

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36. Additionally, and as outlined above, an elector who has been convicted of multi-voting or is otherwise reasonably suspected of doing so may be declared a ‘designated elector.’ Designated electors may only vote by declaration vote. This additional measure ensures that only the first declaration vote received from that elector is admitted to the scrutiny process.

The fake votes could not be identified and removed. That is a weakness of not crossing names off ELECTRONICALLY when a person gives a name.
If it were done electronically you could not give the Same name at an other booth and so you couldn't cast multiple, unidentifiable ballots.

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Re: Have you voted yet?
Reply #76 - Oct 9^th, 2023 at 6:38pm

Frank wrote on Oct 9^th, 2023 at 4:49pm:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 9^th, 2023 at 4:31pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 9^th, 2023 at 4:07pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 9^th, 2023 at 4:03pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 7^th, 2023 at 10:16pm:

We have a major flaw with our voting system.

People can vote numerous times.

There is nothing stopping people voting at several polling locations.

If caught they cannot remove your vote because it doesn't have your name on it.

Actually, voter fraud is negligible in Australian elections

What was claimed

The Australian electoral process does not protect against multiple voting and other types of voter fraud.

The verdict

False. The Australian Electoral Commission has multiple measures to protect the integrity of elections, including cross-referencing electoral rolls and the use of party-appointed scrutineers.

Well, I could go to, say, 15 polling booths and vote 15 time under someone's name. At the end of they day, they will identify that someone voted 15 times but they will not be able to identify and remove the actual ballot papers with the fradulent multiple votes. Those fake votes would stay counted.

If the AEC read your proposition they may choose to do this:

Quote:

Injunction:

Section 383 of the Electoral Act provides that the Federal Court may grant an injunction against a person who has engaged, is engaging, or is proposing to engage in any activity that contravenes the Electoral Act (or other Commonwealth law as it relates to elections) to restrain them from engaging in the conduct. Section 383 specifies that either a candidate in the election or the AEC may apply to the Federal Court for an injunction. Electors who are not candidates are not able to independently apply to the Federal Court for an injunction and should instead notify the AEC.

Section 139 of the Referendum Act provides for similar injunctions in relation to activities that contravene the Referendum Act. Section 139 specifies that only the AEC may apply to the Federal Court for an injunction. All other persons are not able to independently apply to the Federal Court for an injunction and should instead notify the AEC.

OR: This

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36. Additionally, and as outlined above, an elector who has been convicted of multi-voting or is otherwise reasonably suspected of doing so may be declared a ‘designated elector.’ Designated electors may only vote by declaration vote. This additional measure ensures that only the first declaration vote received from that elector is admitted to the scrutiny process.

https://media.tenor.com/Ogtin-jxHHgAAAAC/ducks-peas.gif

The fake votes could not be identified and removed. That is a weakness of not crossing names off ELECTRONICALLY when a person gives a name.
If it were done electronically you could not give the Same name at an other booth and so you couldn't cast multiple, unidentifiable ballots.

No peas for Frank.

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Re: Have you voted yet?
Reply #77 - Oct 9^th, 2023 at 6:47pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9^th, 2023 at 4:35pm:

Hmmm I wonder how many dead people vote in Australia (they apparently do vote in the USA ya know). 😳

People who early vote can die before the election ? Statistically it could be as many as 600 an election.

I don't have a problem with respecting the wishes of the dead when they lodged a genuine vote ?

In the US the vast majority of dead people who were caught voting turned out to be Trump supporters.

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Re: Have you voted yet?
Reply #78 - Oct 9^th, 2023 at 6:49pm

Frank wrote on Oct 9^th, 2023 at 4:49pm:

Dnarever wrote on Oct 9^th, 2023 at 4:31pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 9^th, 2023 at 4:07pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 9^th, 2023 at 4:03pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 7^th, 2023 at 10:16pm:

We have a major flaw with our voting system.

People can vote numerous times.

There is nothing stopping people voting at several polling locations.

If caught they cannot remove your vote because it doesn't have your name on it.

Actually, voter fraud is negligible in Australian elections

What was claimed

The Australian electoral process does not protect against multiple voting and other types of voter fraud.

The verdict

False. The Australian Electoral Commission has multiple measures to protect the integrity of elections, including cross-referencing electoral rolls and the use of party-appointed scrutineers.

Well, I could go to, say, 15 polling booths and vote 15 time under someone's name. At the end of they day, they will identify that someone voted 15 times but they will not be able to identify and remove the actual ballot papers with the fradulent multiple votes. Those fake votes would stay counted.

If the AEC read your proposition they may choose to do this:

Quote:

Injunction:

Section 383 of the Electoral Act provides that the Federal Court may grant an injunction against a person who has engaged, is engaging, or is proposing to engage in any activity that contravenes the Electoral Act (or other Commonwealth law as it relates to elections) to restrain them from engaging in the conduct. Section 383 specifies that either a candidate in the election or the AEC may apply to the Federal Court for an injunction. Electors who are not candidates are not able to independently apply to the Federal Court for an injunction and should instead notify the AEC.

Section 139 of the Referendum Act provides for similar injunctions in relation to activities that contravene the Referendum Act. Section 139 specifies that only the AEC may apply to the Federal Court for an injunction. All other persons are not able to independently apply to the Federal Court for an injunction and should instead notify the AEC.

OR: This

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36. Additionally, and as outlined above, an elector who has been convicted of multi-voting or is otherwise reasonably suspected of doing so may be declared a ‘designated elector.’ Designated electors may only vote by declaration vote. This additional measure ensures that only the first declaration vote received from that elector is admitted to the scrutiny process.

https://media.tenor.com/Ogtin-jxHHgAAAAC/ducks-peas.gif

The fake votes could not be identified and removed. That is a weakness of not crossing names off ELECTRONICALLY when a person gives a name.
If it were done electronically you could not give the Same name at an other booth and so you couldn't cast multiple, unidentifiable ballots.

The AEC knows about this weakness with their system.

They would check to see who hasn't voted so they can be fined. They don't really have anything in place to check mulitple votes.

The AEC were quiet on this last week when asked in repsonse to #voteoften.

We need to move to electronic database so people can't #voteoften and #voteearly

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Re: Have you voted yet?
Reply #79 - Oct 9^th, 2023 at 6:55pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 9^th, 2023 at 6:49pm:

The AEC knows about this weakness with their system.

They would check to see who hasn't voted so they can be fined. They don't really have anything in place to check mulitple votes.

The AEC were quiet on this last week when asked in repsonse to #voteoften.

We need to move to electronic database so people can't #voteoften and #voteearly

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They don't really have anything in place to check mulitple votes.

Yes they do.

https://www.aec.gov.au/about_aec/Publications/Backgrounders/fraud-and-multiple-v...

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26. The AEC has developed comprehensive administrative mechanisms for identifying multiple votes.

27. During the election or referendum period identical certified lists of voters for a division are issued by the AEC to each DRO, who in turn supplies these lists to every issuing point at every polling place for the division and for use in the divisional office when marking off declaration voters. The certified lists contain the name, address, gender and date of birth (just the name in the case of a silent elector and a designated elector) of every enrolled elector in the division. When electors are issued with a set of ballot papers, their names are marked off the certified list held at that issuing point. The marking-off process involves drawing a short line between two arrow marks, called 'clock marks', against the name of an elector, to signify that that person has been issued with ballot papers.

28. If that elector then goes to another issuing point to cast another ordinary vote, either at the same polling place later in the day or at a different polling place, or casts a declaration vote, the result will be that another copy of the certified list for that division will be marked to signify that that person has been issued with ballot papers.

29. Immediately following voting day, each identical certified list for each division is scanned by computer to read the marks against the names on the certified lists. The scanning enables divisional scanning reports to be produced, showing instances of multiple marks against names, and the issuing location of the certified lists.

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Re: Have you voted yet?
Reply #80 - Oct 9^th, 2023 at 6:56pm

For all we complain about it, I would much rather have our system of manual votes on paper, counted by hand and checked by members of the public under the scrutiny of other members of the public than any computer system.
No matter what the result we can always be sure that it's what the people voted for. With a computer system we only have the word of the 'experts' that the system is working properly. Look at the issues in the US, I never want to see that here.

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 49009 Gender:	Re: Have you voted yet? Reply #81 - Oct 9^th, 2023 at 7:02pm I think I'll just shove the forms in my pocket with neither No or Yes and just walk out the door. Plus, who will the 'donkey votes' go to? The Yes crowd or the No??
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 58791 Here Gender:	Re: Have you voted yet? Reply #82 - Oct 9^th, 2023 at 8:36pm Jasin wrote on Oct 9^th, 2023 at 7:02pm: I think I'll just shove the forms in my pocket with neither No or Yes and just walk out the door. Plus, who will the 'donkey votes' go to? The Yes crowd or the No?? It went into your pocket.
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Re: Have you voted yet?
Reply #83 - Oct 9^th, 2023 at 8:47pm

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If someone votes at two different polling places within their electorate, and places their formal vote in the ballot box at each polling place, their vote is counted.

https://twitter.com/AusElectoralCom/status/1709049208056205573

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AEC ✏️
@AusElectoralCom

We cannot remove the vote from the count because, due to the secrecy of the ballot, we have no way of knowing which ballot paper belongs to which person. However, the number of double votes received is incredibly low, and usually related to mental health or age.

https://twitter.com/AusElectoralCom/status/1709049253560250531

People can vote multiple times and the votes will be counted which is from the AEC.

We have seen how unhinged leftist yes voters are it's just luck on whether they get away with it.

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Re: Have you voted yet?
Reply #84 - Oct 9^th, 2023 at 8:51pm

Jasin wrote on Oct 9^th, 2023 at 7:02pm:

I think I'll just shove the forms in my pocket with neither No or Yes and just walk out the door.

Plus, who will the 'donkey votes' go to?
The Yes crowd or the No??

There will be no donkey votes, as there are no candidates to place a number against.

When a ballot paper is numbered 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 etc in the same order that the candidates appear, it is known as a 'donkey vote'.

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Re: Have you voted yet?
Reply #85 - Oct 9^th, 2023 at 8:51pm

Dnarever wrote on Oct 9^th, 2023 at 6:55pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 9^th, 2023 at 6:49pm:

The AEC knows about this weakness with their system.

They would check to see who hasn't voted so they can be fined. They don't really have anything in place to check mulitple votes.

The AEC were quiet on this last week when asked in repsonse to #voteoften.

We need to move to electronic database so people can't #voteoften and #voteearly

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They don't really have anything in place to check mulitple votes.

Yes they do.

https://www.aec.gov.au/about_aec/Publications/Backgrounders/fraud-and-multiple-v...

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26. The AEC has developed comprehensive administrative mechanisms for identifying multiple votes.

27. During the election or referendum period identical certified lists of voters for a division are issued by the AEC to each DRO, who in turn supplies these lists to every issuing point at every polling place for the division and for use in the divisional office when marking off declaration voters. The certified lists contain the name, address, gender and date of birth (just the name in the case of a silent elector and a designated elector) of every enrolled elector in the division. When electors are issued with a set of ballot papers, their names are marked off the certified list held at that issuing point. The marking-off process involves drawing a short line between two arrow marks, called 'clock marks', against the name of an elector, to signify that that person has been issued with ballot papers.

28. If that elector then goes to another issuing point to cast another ordinary vote, either at the same polling place later in the day or at a different polling place, or casts a declaration vote, the result will be that another copy of the certified list for that division will be marked to signify that that person has been issued with ballot papers.

29. Immediately following voting day, each identical certified list for each division is scanned by computer to read the marks against the names on the certified lists. The scanning enables divisional scanning reports to be produced, showing instances of multiple marks against names, and the issuing location of the certified lists.

So the multiple votes are unidentifiable.

Have more peas, that's all you are good for.

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Re: Have you voted yet?
Reply #86 - Oct 9^th, 2023 at 8:52pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 9^th, 2023 at 8:51pm:

Jasin wrote on Oct 9^th, 2023 at 7:02pm:

I think I'll just shove the forms in my pocket with neither No or Yes and just walk out the door.

Plus, who will the 'donkey votes' go to?
The Yes crowd or the No??

There will be no donkey votes, as there are no candidates to place a number against.

When a ballot paper is numbered 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 etc in the same order that the candidates appear, it is known as a 'donkey vote'.

Gawd, you are an idiot.

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Re: Have you voted yet?
Reply #87 - Oct 9^th, 2023 at 9:00pm

Frank wrote on Oct 9^th, 2023 at 8:52pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 9^th, 2023 at 8:51pm:

Jasin wrote on Oct 9^th, 2023 at 7:02pm:

I think I'll just shove the forms in my pocket with neither No or Yes and just walk out the door.

Plus, who will the 'donkey votes' go to?
The Yes crowd or the No??

There will be no donkey votes, as there are no candidates to place a number against.

When a ballot paper is numbered 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 etc in the same order that the candidates appear, it is known as a 'donkey vote'.

Gawd, you are an idiot.

Because I know what a donkey vote is?

A donkey vote is when you number the boxes on a ballot paper in sequential order starting at the top and going to the bottom (or, from the bottom up).

This referendum doesn't require any numbering of boxes so it's impossible for there to be any donkey votes.

You didn't know what a donkey vote was until I just explained it to you, did you?

You thought drawing a dick & balls on the ballot paper was a donkey vote, didn't you? Grin

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Have you voted yet? Reply #88 - Oct 9^th, 2023 at 9:03pm Jasin wrote on Oct 9^th, 2023 at 7:02pm: I think I'll just shove the forms in my pocket with neither No or Yes and just walk out the door. Plus, who will the 'donkey votes' go to? The Yes crowd or the No?? Informal votes you mean? They’re not included.
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Re: Have you voted yet?
Reply #89 - Oct 9^th, 2023 at 9:11pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Oct 9^th, 2023 at 9:03pm:

Jasin wrote on Oct 9^th, 2023 at 7:02pm:

I think I'll just shove the forms in my pocket with neither No or Yes and just walk out the door.

Plus, who will the 'donkey votes' go to?
The Yes crowd or the No??

Informal votes you mean?

They’re not included.

Seems crazy that those two facts need to be explained to him.

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