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Re: Israel At War
Reply #405 - Oct 16^th, 2023 at 8:00am

Bobby. wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 5:22am:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 5:15am:

this is indeed the problem

these "half measures' are tragic

when the germans killed innocent kids in london, the allies did not stop til the german people were completely humiliated, their towns were rubble, their soldiers were disarmed, their land was occupied

then they divided it up and the allies ran it and now, 2 generations later, they are americas and britains strongest ally. they love their former enemies

israel cant do half measures or the next generation will just be worse

think of hamas as a cancer bobby
like your wifes breast cancer

do you want the surgeon (in this case the israeli army) to just nibble away a bit of it and then sew her up and say "my work is done"

of course not

you want every little bit of cancer cut out
then you want her hit with chemo and radio therapy to wipe out any of the the little baby cancers
you dont want this crap resprouting
you want to get it all

this is the only way she can thrive in the future

no half measures bobby

you must be bomber harris is WW2

no mercy
just steely resolve to cleanse the enemy territpry

Killing innocent children will only cause 3 more generations of hatred.
It is part of an endless cycle of violence.

The Israeli military are responsible for the welfare of Israeli babies and children

Hamas a responsible for Palestinian babies and children

If you look at what's going on Bobby you will see that hamas are actually trying to prevent the civilians from leaving

If you have a complaint you should direct it to those responsible

I'm happy to shoot off an email to hamas
Do you have their email address

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Re: Israel At War
Reply #406 - Oct 16^th, 2023 at 8:11am

aquascoot wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 7:57am:

chimera wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 5:27am:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 5:15am:

, the allies did not stop til the german people were completely humiliated,

The Versailles Treaty 1919 was humiliating to Germany. Expulsion of the Palestinians is humiliating.
The Germans were honoured after defeat as opponents to the Soviets in 1946.

The reason we had world war 2 is that the Germans did not feel totally defeated in world war 1

Make no mistake, the Germans felt defeated after WW1, but worse, they felt humiliated by the terms of the Armistice.

From 1918 until 1933, Germany was the first modern nation to suffer from hyper-reparations for a war prosecuted to settle the affairs of Kings.

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Re: Israel At War
Reply #409 - Oct 16^th, 2023 at 8:26am

aquascoot wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 8:00am:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 5:22am:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 5:15am:

this is indeed the problem

these "half measures' are tragic

when the germans killed innocent kids in london, the allies did not stop til the german people were completely humiliated, their towns were rubble, their soldiers were disarmed, their land was occupied

then they divided it up and the allies ran it and now, 2 generations later, they are americas and britains strongest ally. they love their former enemies

israel cant do half measures or the next generation will just be worse

think of hamas as a cancer bobby
like your wifes breast cancer

do you want the surgeon (in this case the israeli army) to just nibble away a bit of it and then sew her up and say "my work is done"

of course not

you want every little bit of cancer cut out
then you want her hit with chemo and radio therapy to wipe out any of the the little baby cancers
you dont want this crap resprouting
you want to get it all

this is the only way she can thrive in the future

no half measures bobby

you must be bomber harris is WW2

no mercy
just steely resolve to cleanse the enemy territpry

Killing innocent children will only cause 3 more generations of hatred.
It is part of an endless cycle of violence.

The Israeli military are responsible for the welfare of Israeli babies and children

Hamas a responsible for Palestinian babies and children

If you look at what's going on Bobby you will see that hamas are actually trying to prevent the civilians from leaving

If you have a complaint you should direct it to those responsible

I'm happy to shoot off an email to hamas
Do you have their email address

No, dear, the Palestinian Authority is tasked with the welfare of Gazans. Israel called off any elections putting Hamas in a position of control.

Hamas are no more than a volunteer organisation.

Of course Israel are responsible for people in Gaza. They've blockaded the city. They control everything - and everyone - who comes or goes.

Saying they're not responsible is like saying the Nazis weren't responsible for the Warsaw Ghetto.

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Reply #410 - Oct 16^th, 2023 at 8:53am

'Abu Muammar stressed that “local elections are a substitute for the national ones that were canceled,” referencing the parliamentary elections that Abbas called off in April 2021. “Ever since, we have been in consultation with all factions, and reached an agreement [for local elections] that reflects the general national position.” Hamas is aware that, according to polls, if elections were held at the broader level today, its leader Ismail Haniyeh would likely win by a large margin over Mahmoud Abbas, given the growing discontent with the rule of the latter.'_ Times of Israel.

'For his part, Hisham Kahil, Executive Director of the (CEC), acknowledged to journalists that the election commission was informed of the agreement by the Palestinian factions to hold local elections in Gaza "as soon as possible". Officially, the Palestinian cabinet in Ramallah has a legal mandate to call for holding elections per the elections law. At the same time, Hamas, being the "defacto power" in Gaza, can decide whether to hold elections or not. Since 2007, Hamas has prevented several attempts to hold an election, sparking anger by Palestinian voters in Gaza for being denied the right to vote in local elections compared to voters in the occupied West Bank, which has had regular elections over the years'._ The New Arab. September 2023.

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Re: Israel At War
Reply #411 - Oct 16^th, 2023 at 9:00am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 8:11am:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 7:57am:

chimera wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 5:27am:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 5:15am:

, the allies did not stop til the german people were completely humiliated,

The Versailles Treaty 1919 was humiliating to Germany. Expulsion of the Palestinians is humiliating.
The Germans were honoured after defeat as opponents to the Soviets in 1946.

The reason we had world war 2 is that the Germans did not feel totally defeated in world war 1

Make no mistake, the Germans felt defeated after WW1, but worse, they felt humiliated by the terms of the Armistice.

From 1918 until 1933, Germany was the first modern nation to suffer from hyper-reparations for a war prosecuted to settle the affairs of Kings.

I would call that incorrect

I think a lot of Germans were quite surprised when Germany surrendered in world war one

I don't think any Germans were surprised when Germany surrendered in world war two

Total defeat allows rebirth to occur

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Reply #412 - Oct 16^th, 2023 at 9:03am

Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 8:26am:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 8:00am:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 5:22am:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 5:15am:

this is indeed the problem

these "half measures' are tragic

when the germans killed innocent kids in london, the allies did not stop til the german people were completely humiliated, their towns were rubble, their soldiers were disarmed, their land was occupied

then they divided it up and the allies ran it and now, 2 generations later, they are americas and britains strongest ally. they love their former enemies

israel cant do half measures or the next generation will just be worse

think of hamas as a cancer bobby
like your wifes breast cancer

do you want the surgeon (in this case the israeli army) to just nibble away a bit of it and then sew her up and say "my work is done"

of course not

you want every little bit of cancer cut out
then you want her hit with chemo and radio therapy to wipe out any of the the little baby cancers
you dont want this crap resprouting
you want to get it all

this is the only way she can thrive in the future

no half measures bobby

you must be bomber harris is WW2

no mercy
just steely resolve to cleanse the enemy territpry

Killing innocent children will only cause 3 more generations of hatred.
It is part of an endless cycle of violence.

The Israeli military are responsible for the welfare of Israeli babies and children

Hamas a responsible for Palestinian babies and children

If you look at what's going on Bobby you will see that hamas are actually trying to prevent the civilians from leaving

If you have a complaint you should direct it to those responsible

I'm happy to shoot off an email to hamas
Do you have their email address

No, dear, the Palestinian Authority is tasked with the welfare of Gazans. Israel called off any elections putting Hamas in a position of control.

Hamas are no more than a volunteer organisation.

Of course Israel are responsible for people in Gaza. They've blockaded the city. They control everything - and everyone - who comes or goes.

Saying they're not responsible is like saying the Nazis weren't responsible for the Warsaw Ghetto.

Absolutely and totally incorrect and reprehensible to even compare the treatment of the Jews in world war two to what is currently going on

If anything you should be holding the Egyptians responsible as they are the ones refusing safe passage for the refugees out of Gaza

The Germans rounded up the Jews for annihilation

The Israelis have very carefully delayed their initiative and issued countless warnings
Asking the Palestinian people to vacate the battlefield

These two approaches are at total opposites
And it is unsurprising that a nincompoop such as yourself cannot see the obvious facts

The Israeli government are far more caring for the people of Gaza
Then hamas who deliberately use them as human Shields

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Re: Israel At War
Reply #413 - Oct 16^th, 2023 at 9:05am

aquascoot wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 9:00am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 8:11am:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 7:57am:

chimera wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 5:27am:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 5:15am:

, the allies did not stop til the german people were completely humiliated,

The Versailles Treaty 1919 was humiliating to Germany. Expulsion of the Palestinians is humiliating.
The Germans were honoured after defeat as opponents to the Soviets in 1946.

The reason we had world war 2 is that the Germans did not feel totally defeated in world war 1

Make no mistake, the Germans felt defeated after WW1, but worse, they felt humiliated by the terms of the Armistice.

From 1918 until 1933, Germany was the first modern nation to suffer from hyper-reparations for a war prosecuted to settle the affairs of Kings.

I would call that incorrect

I think a lot of Germans were quite surprised when Germany surrendered in world war one

I don't think any Germans were surprised when Germany surrendered in world war two

Total defeat allows rebirth to occur

You'd be right about Germans being surprised about WW1, but that surprise was soon replaced by a severe sense of defeat, then absolute humiliation after the signing of the Armistice and persisted until the early 1930s.

When war was declared in 1939, it was not met with a euphoric sense of patriotism by Germans as it was in 1914. There was a creeping sense of deja vu.

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10414 armidale Gender:	Re: Israel At War Reply #414 - Oct 16^th, 2023 at 9:22am If Germans were surprised by defeat in 1918, the treaty was even more humiliating. WWII followed. But Germany had no cause to fight WWI, Palestinians have been humiliated since 1948.
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Reply #417 - Oct 16^th, 2023 at 9:56am

aquascoot wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 9:03am:

Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 8:26am:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 8:00am:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 5:22am:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 5:15am:

this is indeed the problem

these "half measures' are tragic

when the germans killed innocent kids in london, the allies did not stop til the german people were completely humiliated, their towns were rubble, their soldiers were disarmed, their land was occupied

then they divided it up and the allies ran it and now, 2 generations later, they are americas and britains strongest ally. they love their former enemies

israel cant do half measures or the next generation will just be worse

think of hamas as a cancer bobby
like your wifes breast cancer

do you want the surgeon (in this case the israeli army) to just nibble away a bit of it and then sew her up and say "my work is done"

of course not

you want every little bit of cancer cut out
then you want her hit with chemo and radio therapy to wipe out any of the the little baby cancers
you dont want this crap resprouting
you want to get it all

this is the only way she can thrive in the future

no half measures bobby

you must be bomber harris is WW2

no mercy
just steely resolve to cleanse the enemy territpry

Killing innocent children will only cause 3 more generations of hatred.
It is part of an endless cycle of violence.

The Israeli military are responsible for the welfare of Israeli babies and children

Hamas a responsible for Palestinian babies and children

If you look at what's going on Bobby you will see that hamas are actually trying to prevent the civilians from leaving

If you have a complaint you should direct it to those responsible

I'm happy to shoot off an email to hamas
Do you have their email address

No, dear, the Palestinian Authority is tasked with the welfare of Gazans. Israel called off any elections putting Hamas in a position of control.

Hamas are no more than a volunteer organisation.

Of course Israel are responsible for people in Gaza. They've blockaded the city. They control everything - and everyone - who comes or goes.

Saying they're not responsible is like saying the Nazis weren't responsible for the Warsaw Ghetto.

Absolutely and totally incorrect and reprehensible to even compare the treatment of the Jews in world war two to what is currently going on

If anything you should be holding the Egyptians responsible as they are the ones refusing safe passage for the refugees out of Gaza

The Germans rounded up the Jews for annihilation

The Israelis have very carefully delayed their initiative and issued countless warnings
Asking the Palestinian people to vacate the battlefield

These two approaches are at total opposites
And it is unsurprising that a nincompoop such as yourself cannot see the obvious facts

The Israeli government are far more caring for the people of Gaza
Then hamas who deliberately use them as human Shields

Incorrect. The Germans rounded up the Jews to contain disease, squalor and racial integration. They tasked the Judenrat with keeping them in line.

The Judenrat failed. Typhus rampaged through the Warsaw ghetto. Poverty was rife. Jews died by the cart-load. Eventually, Jewish trouble-makers acquired firearms and incited an uprising - terrorising the peaceful citizens of Warsaw and requiring German soldiers to restore the peace, taking valuable man-power away from the front.

The Final Solution was a response to these problems. The Jews showed that they couldn't be trusted to live alongside civilised people, or even run their own affairs. Ultimately, the Germans were forced to cleanse the ghetto and obliterate all resistance. Those responsible for the Warsaw uprising were terrorists.

I'm sorry, dear, I'm not seeing any difference.

You?

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Reply #418 - Oct 16^th, 2023 at 10:23am

Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 9:56am:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 9:03am:

Mattyfisk wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 8:26am:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 8:00am:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 5:22am:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 5:15am:

this is indeed the problem

these "half measures' are tragic

when the germans killed innocent kids in london, the allies did not stop til the german people were completely humiliated, their towns were rubble, their soldiers were disarmed, their land was occupied

then they divided it up and the allies ran it and now, 2 generations later, they are americas and britains strongest ally. they love their former enemies

israel cant do half measures or the next generation will just be worse

think of hamas as a cancer bobby
like your wifes breast cancer

do you want the surgeon (in this case the israeli army) to just nibble away a bit of it and then sew her up and say "my work is done"

of course not

you want every little bit of cancer cut out
then you want her hit with chemo and radio therapy to wipe out any of the the little baby cancers
you dont want this crap resprouting
you want to get it all

this is the only way she can thrive in the future

no half measures bobby

you must be bomber harris is WW2

no mercy
just steely resolve to cleanse the enemy territpry

Killing innocent children will only cause 3 more generations of hatred.
It is part of an endless cycle of violence.

The Israeli military are responsible for the welfare of Israeli babies and children

Hamas a responsible for Palestinian babies and children

If you look at what's going on Bobby you will see that hamas are actually trying to prevent the civilians from leaving

If you have a complaint you should direct it to those responsible

I'm happy to shoot off an email to hamas
Do you have their email address

No, dear, the Palestinian Authority is tasked with the welfare of Gazans. Israel called off any elections putting Hamas in a position of control.

Hamas are no more than a volunteer organisation.

Of course Israel are responsible for people in Gaza. They've blockaded the city. They control everything - and everyone - who comes or goes.

Saying they're not responsible is like saying the Nazis weren't responsible for the Warsaw Ghetto.

Absolutely and totally incorrect and reprehensible to even compare the treatment of the Jews in world war two to what is currently going on

If anything you should be holding the Egyptians responsible as they are the ones refusing safe passage for the refugees out of Gaza

The Germans rounded up the Jews for annihilation

The Israelis have very carefully delayed their initiative and issued countless warnings
Asking the Palestinian people to vacate the battlefield

These two approaches are at total opposites
And it is unsurprising that a nincompoop such as yourself cannot see the obvious facts

The Israeli government are far more caring for the people of Gaza
Then hamas who deliberately use them as human Shields

Incorrect. The Germans rounded up the Jews to contain disease, squalor and racial integration. They tasked the Judenrat with keeping them in line.

The Judenrat failed. Typhus rampaged through the Warsaw ghetto. Poverty was rife. Jews died by the cart-load. Eventually, Jewish trouble-makers acquired firearms and incited an uprising - terrorising the peaceful citizens of Warsaw and requiring German soldiers to restore the peace, taking valuable man-power away from the front.

The Final Solution was a response to these problems. The Jews showed that they couldn't be trusted to live alongside civilised people, or even run their own affairs. Ultimately, the Germans were forced to cleanse the ghetto and obliterate all resistance. Those responsible for the Warsaw uprising were terrorists.

I'm sorry, dear, I'm not seeing any difference.

You?

I just got chills.

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Reply #419 - Oct 16^th, 2023 at 10:46am

I believe that Russia may get involved -
they could give Hezbollah via Iran - guided missiles that
could hit Israeli military airports and US aircraft carriers.

https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/iran-says-to-interven-if-israeli-ag...

By Al Mayadeen English
Source: Axios

15 Oct 2023 00:09

Iran says to intervene if Israeli aggression on Gaza persists: Axios

The top Iranian diplomat hinted at Hezbollah's preparedness to act if the conflict escalates, warning that the resistance's actions could have significant consequences for "Israel."

Axios reported on Saturday, citing two diplomatic sources with knowledge of the situation, that Iran has delivered a strong message to "Israel" via the UN that Iran will have to intervene if the Israeli aggression on Gaza persists.

Western concern is that such intervention could potentially transform the current conflict into a regional war. Diplomatic sources have confirmed this message and conveyed it through the United Nations, namely UN envoy to the Middle East Tor Wennesland who communicated with both the Iranian and Israeli parties.

The US recently deployed an aircraft carrier group and fighter jets to the region under the pretext of deterring any escalation, with the real aim of deterring other parties from intervening.

Read more: Putin asks if US aircraft carrier sent to bomb Lebanon

Axios claimed that the Iranian Foreign Minister, Hossein Amir-Abdollahian, said that "Iran doesn't want the conflict to turn into a regional war" and wants to "try" and assist in the release of non-military settlers who were captured during Operation Al-Aqsa Flood.

Nevertheless, he also established Iran's redlines, stating that Iran would feel compelled to respond if "Israel" persists with its military operations, particularly if a ground offensive is initiated.

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