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Reply #60 - Oct 10th, 2023 at 3:34pm
 
So Biden lifted the financial restrictions. Jack the price of petrol up, and kill jews. What more could Iran want? Oh yes . . . I forgot. Nuclear weapons.
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Reply #61 - Oct 10th, 2023 at 3:41pm
 
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Reply #62 - Oct 10th, 2023 at 3:55pm
 
biden has been punping the reserve into the domestic economy to soften gas price rises and produce lower inflation to boost his election chances.

well, not so much biden, as his political masters  Roll Eyes
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Reply #63 - Oct 11th, 2023 at 2:18am
 
Belgarion wrote on Oct 10th, 2023 at 9:34am:
JC Denton wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 7:40pm:
israel getting smoked right now

also now this seems to have coincided exactly around the time israel gave a sh1t load of its armaments to ukraine lol

whoooooops

hamas is doing great also some of their tactics are very inventive

a lot of these american adjacent style armed forces like the idf are nothing without their air superiority (which the israels found out against the egyptians in 1973) and the widespread proliferation of effective anti air systems that are even individually portable massively levels the playing field

i suspect the plan might be to lure the idf into gaza itself in a ground invasion which will be a meat grinder for them and also potentially engender a greater conflict

very ballsy and daring

will it succeed, probably not, though that depends on what the ultimate objective is



Military and political issues, along with spelling and punctuation, are not your strong suit are they?  Roll Eyes


do you ever actually have an argument (no)
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Reply #64 - Oct 11th, 2023 at 5:02am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 10th, 2023 at 11:11am:
There's something deeply suspicious about Mossad's failure to detect this planned attack.


Hal Turner – Hal Turner Radio Show Oct 8, 2023

Despite the most advanced intelligence and surveillance systems in the world, Palestinians allegedly broke through into Israel — somehow un-noticed by all the surveillance gear.

One Israeli Border Guard told me “Our systems could see if a Bird was flying-in; yet authorities would have us believe they couldn’t see dozens of Palestinians on motorized para-gliders in the air?  It’s simply not possible.  They let this happen on purpose.”

Another Israeli told me “MOSSAD knows when these people, HAMAS, take a dump in the bathroom, yet we’re supposed to believe MOSSAD had no idea this gigantic operation was being planned?”

Israel has the best intelligence on its neighbors of any nation on earth. Israel has lots of “assets” embedded in these various “terrorist” organizations, as well as SIGINT (including U.S. satellite data) which allows Israel to always have a finger on the pulse of these organizations.

There is no way in hell that a coordinated, major attack involving about 1,000 Hamas fighters, sea-based/ land-based/ aerial attacks could have been planned, coordinated, and executed without Israeli intelligence getting wind of it. 0% chance.

Others had similar statements of anger and disbelief.  One IDF soldier who saw Palestinians use a Drone to destroy an Israeli Merkava Tank said “Where did the Palestinians get drones with armor-piercing explosives?

Other IDF soldiers pointed to Anti-Tank Guided Missiles (ATGM) being used against Israeli Security Forces.  He said “These are weapons being seen on the Ukraine battlefields, how did they get into the Gaza Strip?”


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From Freedom Next Time by John Pilger - Chap. 2, The Last Taboo:

On June 7, 2005, BBC radio news reported that British officials were to meet the Islamic organisation Hamas at ‘low levels … mayors not implicated in the violence’. Most of the report was devoted not to the significance of the meeting (Hamas had agreed to be part of a Palestinian ceasefire) but to an Israeli government official repeatedly complaining about ‘dealing with terrorists’. Not a single Palestinian was interviewed.

The report was an example of how secret history is kept secret, for no mention was made of the fact that the Israelis themselves had actually helped to set up and fund Hamas as part of ‘a direct attempt to divide and dilute support for a strong, secular PLO by using a competing religious alternative’, in the words of a former Middle East CIA official. His and other evidence is in documents obtained from the Israel-based Institute for Counter Terrorism. 107

107 Richard Sale, ‘Hamas Tied to Israel’, United Press International, June 18, 2002. (Documents obtained from Institute for Counter Terrorism, Israel, analysed by Center for Strategic Studies.)

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Reply #65 - Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:46am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 12:46pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 12:33pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 12:11pm:
Jasin wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 11:31am:
What the Germans did to the Jews via the Prophet Hitler
(because of what the Jews did to the Messiah Jesus)
 
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Hitler and the Nazis saw Jews as a socialist/communist fifth column who had a stranglehold on the German economy which caused its collapse.


Hitler saw the jews as something else entirely! Nothing to do with socialism/communism! In “Mein Kampf” in one of the few bits I remember Adolf Schicklgruber went on a multi paragraph paroxysm of rage and disgust—an Orthodox Jew had crossed his path. Nah, it was not politics at all that led to the Holocaust.

Meister—stick to science.

Oh really?!! So, Goebels' railing against Jewish international financiers was something else, then?

If you've spoken to Germans, Austrians, and most non-Jewish Europeans, you'd know that they believed Jews controlled the world's economies and were targeting Western Europe in favour of Leninist-Stalinist communism.

Even Kaiser Wilhelm considered Jews to be a fifth column and blamed them for Germany's defeat in WW1.

Nazism put an end to the encroachment of communism in Germany during the 20s and early 30s.


Wasn’t it Ludendorf and his “Dolchstoss” started the “Jews caused Germany’s loss?” When you read books like “The Good Soldier Scweick” you do see the intense bias against Jews. In fact, I bet the nazis changed the Dolchstoss to be antiJewish not just anti-business.
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Reply #66 - Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:48am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 1:34pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 1:23pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 12:46pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 12:33pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 12:11pm:
Jasin wrote on Oct 8th, 2023 at 11:31am:
What the Germans did to the Jews via the Prophet Hitler
(because of what the Jews did to the Messiah Jesus)
 
Roll Eyes Grin

Hitler and the Nazis saw Jews as a socialist/communist fifth column who had a stranglehold on the German economy which caused its collapse.


Hitler saw the jews as something else entirely! Nothing to do with socialism/communism! In “Mein Kampf” in one of the few bits I remember Adolf Schicklgruber went on a multi paragraph paroxysm of rage and disgust—an Orthodox Jew had crossed his path. Nah, it was not politics at all that led to the Holocaust.

Meister—stick to science.

Oh really?!! So, Goebels' railing against Jewish international financiers was something else, then?

If you've spoken to Germans, Austrians, and most non-Jewish Europeans, you'd know that they believed Jews controlled the world's economies and were targeting Western Europe in favour of Leninist-Stalinist communism.

Even Kaiser Wilhelm considered Jews to be a fifth column and blamed them for Germany's defeat in WW1.

Nazism put an end to the encroachment of communism in Germany during the 20s and early 30s.

So much so that part of Germany was communist for decades after WWII.

Goebbels was  a mouthpiece, not the brain.

The thing about “International Jewry controlling workd finance” was distinctly a secondary thing to one AH. THAT is what got the idiot to declare war on the US after Pearl Harbor.

The “untermensch” was the primary drive for AH tho.


You've got that backwards - Goebells was the brain, Hitler was the orator and a Machiavellian master - the German military high command thought they'd support Hitler and then control him (he was considered an intellectual midget).

Hitler subscribed to Kaiser Wilhelm's assertion that Jews were a fifth column.

Hitler, himself, prior to WW1 had no particular interest in Jews other than expressing typical European antisemitism.


Hitler needed a scapegoat for sure and why not Jewry? He had been disgusted by seeing an Orthodox Jew.
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Reply #67 - Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:53am
 
Gordon wrote on Oct 10th, 2023 at 11:47am:
This is what the 5th column terrorists in Sydney were supporting last night, along with some members of this forum.

Grandmother’s execution posted to FB

An Israeli granddaughter says her heart was “shattered to pieces” after her grandmother was brutally murdered by a Hamas terrorist — who then used the elderly woman’s phone to snap photos of her butchered body and post them to her Facebook account.

https://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/israel-gaza-war-live-updates/news-stor...


What about the family with 3 toddlers?? All murdered too 😩🥺😔
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Reply #68 - Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:57am
 
Obviously, Israeli intelligence services knew the invasion would take place—a Hanas leader can’t FART without Mossad knowing that.

So why let it happen?
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Reply #69 - Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:59am
 
freediver wrote on Oct 10th, 2023 at 1:34pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Oct 9th, 2023 at 9:55pm:

It's OK, she was only butchered by a tiny minority of Muslims.





Freediver could you please rid us of Bwian?? Seriously these hurtful and triggering comments are beyond vile and totally disrespectful to those of us who have nieces and nephews who are half Jewish and these nieces and nephews have relatives still living in that area. 😩🥺😔

Can’t you at the very least lock him up in his padded cell ie sub forum. Let the Master Baiter rant and rave all he likes there.

And do the same for his multi ids too. Thanks in advance.
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Reply #70 - Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:31am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:57am:
Obviously, Israeli intelligence services knew the invasion would take place—a Hanas leader can’t FART without Mossad knowing that.

So why let it happen?



I would imagine it was so the population of Israel would be unified both left and right
In a desire to turn Gaza into a car park

The intelligent services used the old

Give a criminal enough rope and he'll hang himself strategy
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Reply #71 - Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:44am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:48am:
[Hitler] had been disgusted by seeing an Orthodox Jew.

Most Europeans in Europe and North America were antisemitic at that time, and 'put off' by the sight of orthodox Jews.
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Reply #72 - Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:47am
 
Would they have gone into a paroxysm of rage? Or just mutter “Bloody Jew Bastard?”
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Reply #73 - Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:48am
 
aquascoot wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:31am:
Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 8:57am:
Obviously, Israeli intelligence services knew the invasion would take place—a Hanas leader can’t FART without Mossad knowing that.

So why let it happen?



I would imagine it was so the population of Israel would be unified both left and right
In a desire to turn Gaza into a car park

The intelligent services used the old

Give a criminal enough rope and he'll hang himself strategy


Having hundreds of Israelis killed for something wet like that?
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Reply #74 - Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:59am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 11th, 2023 at 9:47am:
Would they have gone into a paroxysm of rage? Or just mutter “Bloody Jew Bastard?”

More likely the latter, I'd bet.

The Nazis took antisemitism to new depths under Hitler's influence, who did not become rabidly antisemitic until after WW1 when it became 'common knowledge' among the German military that Jews were a fifth column who caused Germany's defeat.
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