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Re: We should stop giving foreign aid to Palestine
Reply #180 - Jan 31^st, 2025 at 4:19pm

Leroy wrote on Jan 31^st, 2025 at 4:11pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 31^st, 2025 at 4:03pm:

Leroy wrote on Jan 31^st, 2025 at 3:53pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 31^st, 2025 at 3:44pm:

Leroy wrote on Jan 31^st, 2025 at 3:34pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 31^st, 2025 at 3:27pm:

We should do something similar to what we did with South Africa and get all countries to hold foreign aid until they hold free and fair elections. And if they re-elect Hamas, we cut the funding off entirely. No point funding the next war.

They have already done some polling.
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According to the poll, only seven percent of Gazans blamed Hamas for their suffering. Seventy-one percent of all Palestinians supported Hamas’s decision to attack Israel on October 7 — up 14 points among Gazans and down 11 points among West Bank Palestinians compared to three months ago. Fifty-nine percent of all Palestinians thought Hamas should rule Gaza, and 70 percent were satisfied with the role Hamas has played during the war.
https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/03/22/poll-hamas-remains-popular-among-palestinians/

The point of free and fair elections is that competing politicians would start openly criticising Hamas. Opinion polls are fairly meaningless under a dictatorship. Give the people a choice between having Hamas and having foreign aid.

You do realize Hamas is a terrorist organization don't you.
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A Hamas source said Madhoun, who had topped the group's wanted list of Abbas loyalists and had spearheaded Fatah's fight against Hamas, was shot six times in the chest.

Witnesses said Hamas supporters paraded his body through the streets of Nusseirat refugee camp.

At least 30 people were killed as Hamas routed Fatah in the Gaza Strip capturing most major security compounds from Abbas's forces throughout the coastal territory. After the battles, Hamas men hunted down their foes, blowing up their houses and taking over buildings used by Fatah-run civilian organisations, witnesses said.

"That's him, kill him," shouted a masked gunman after identifying a member of Fatah's al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades.
https://www.reuters.com/article/economy/hamas-gunmen-hunt-down-fatah-rivals-in-gaza-strip-idUSL14749263/

And?

All right I'll be frank

Who the bugger is silly enough to think you are going to have free and fair elections in Gaza.

I am not suggesting we try to predict the future.

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Re: We should stop giving foreign aid to Palestine
Reply #181 - Jan 31^st, 2025 at 4:36pm

freediver wrote on Jan 31^st, 2025 at 3:27pm:

We should do something similar to what we did with South Africa and get all countries to hold foreign aid until they hold free and fair elections.

And if they re-elect Hamas,
we cut the funding off entirely.

No point funding the next war.

freediver,

Isn't your suggestion, actually counter to the principle of 'SELF-DETERMINATION',
applying, to the 'Palestinian' people ?

If you are not careful, persons who support the struggle for the freedom of 'Palestine',
e.g
persons who support,
THE PARTY OF GOD [aka HEZBOLLAH],
ISLAMIC RESISTANCE MOVEMENT [aka HAMAS],
ISLAMIC JIHAD [aka ISLAMIC JIHAD '.......the second-biggest terrorist group in Gaza after Hamas' ***],
will be calling you 'anti-democratic',
........or, even RACIST !!

***
ref......https://www.timesofisrael.com/worse-than-hamas-gazas-other-terror-groups/

Don't you know, that those who support the struggle for the freedom of the 'Palestinian' people,
are persons who support populist and vox pop causes ?

popular = =
1 liked or admired by many or by a particular person or group.
2 intended for or suited to the taste or means of the general public.

Q.
Shouldn't we all support populist causes [.....and without any 'reactionary' and unhelpful scrutiny] ?
/sarc off

WWW search.......
list ISLAMIST JIHAD groups in gaza

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49574 At my desk.	Re: We should stop giving foreign aid to Palestine Reply #182 - Jan 31^st, 2025 at 4:45pm Gaza reminds me a bit of that movie District 9.
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Re: We should stop giving foreign aid to Palestine
Reply #183 - Jan 31^st, 2025 at 4:53pm

freediver wrote on Jan 31^st, 2025 at 3:44pm:

The point of free and fair elections is that competing politicians would start openly criticising Hamas.

Opinion polls are fairly meaningless under a dictatorship.

Give the people a choice between having Hamas and having foreign aid.

Yeah.

The people of GAZA could have free and fair elections.

Just like they have them, in places like ......Egypt, and Turkey, and Pakistan,
.......and Russia, and Belarus.
.......and Venezuela.

/sarc off

freediver,

Perhaps, the people of GAZA could have U.N. UNRWA officials oversee their free and fair elections,
just to ensure that their elections were free and fair.

/sarc off

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Re: We should stop giving foreign aid to Palestine
Reply #184 - Jan 31^st, 2025 at 9:45pm

There has never been a free and fair election in Gazza so why start now?

As harsh as I am towards the Palestinian plight I do believe that Australia should cooperate with Indonesia in helping rebuild, equip and staff the Indonesian hospital in Gazza.

It would be a gesture and a positive alliance from two different neighbouring countries with different religion’s working together peacefully to help the sick of Gazza.

It’s very harsh to just abandon them too what is left of Gazza but we should stop all aid until all the hostages are released.

BY BOTH SIDES!

Albo has been completely weak on this issue and has harmed the labor brand.

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Re: We should stop giving foreign aid to Palestine
Reply #185 - Feb 1^st, 2025 at 9:15am

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Isn't your suggestion, actually counter to the principle of 'SELF-DETERMINATION',

No Yadda. Self determination does not mean freedom from the inevitable consequences of your choice. Supporting democracy does not mean you have to keep handing over money to the Palestinian people so they can prepare for the next attack on Israel.

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Re: We should stop giving foreign aid to Palestine
Reply #186 - Feb 1^st, 2025 at 10:28am

Daves2017 wrote on Jan 31^st, 2025 at 9:45pm:

There has never been a free and fair election in Gazza so why start now?

As harsh as I am towards the Palestinian plight I do believe that Australia should cooperate with Indonesia in helping rebuild, equip and staff the Indonesian hospital in Gazza.

It would be a gesture and a positive alliance from two different neighbouring countries with different religion’s working together peacefully to help the sick of Gazza.

It’s very harsh to just abandon them too what is left of Gazza but we should stop all aid until all the hostages are released.

BY BOTH SIDES!

Albo has been completely weak on this issue and has harmed the labor brand.

Controlled aid is the only way forward. Now who is going to do that part of the job? The fabled UN? Already discredited itself. Independent aid agencies? Under the guns of Hamas every day? Israel? That would go down like a pork chop in a mosque. A mighty occupying army of the world? Far too costly and cause of endless trouble and deaths - just another 'cause' of terrorism and Intifada for the idiots to grab onto - and would require total disarmament of Hamas etc.

I see no answer for them - short of a few safe spots they can come to with begging bowls. It's of their own creation, so my sympathy is limited to only being applied to those proven to be fair dinkum (that's an old Middle Eastern Australian term meaning true to the bone - used often by Vietnamese since The War there) (joke, turkeys - joke).

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49574 At my desk.	Re: We should stop giving foreign aid to Palestine Reply #187 - Feb 1^st, 2025 at 10:32am If we cut off the aid, we don't need to use brute force.
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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 85634 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: We should stop giving foreign aid to Palestine Reply #188 - Feb 1^st, 2025 at 3:14pm freediver wrote on Feb 1^st, 2025 at 10:32am: If we cut off the aid, we don't need to use brute force. You numbah one dinki-dau!!
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Re: We should stop giving foreign aid to Palestine
Reply #189 - Feb 2^nd, 2025 at 12:51pm

Yadda wrote on Jan 31^st, 2025 at 4:53pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 31^st, 2025 at 3:44pm:

The point of free and fair elections is that competing politicians would start openly criticising Hamas.

Opinion polls are fairly meaningless under a dictatorship.

Give the people a choice between having Hamas and having foreign aid.

Yeah.

The people of GAZA could have free and fair elections.

Just like they have them, in places like ......Egypt, and Turkey, and Pakistan,
.......and Russia, and Belarus.
.......and Venezuela.

/sarc off

freediver,

Perhaps, the people of GAZA could have U.N. UNRWA officials oversee their free and fair elections,
just to ensure that their elections were free and fair.

/sarc off

Ridiculous suggestion - if a country supports UNWRA they are supporting HAMAS.

UNWRA officials and teachers in GAZA are corrupt and support the terrorists running the place and are brainwashing children into being martyrs for the terrorist Islamic cause.

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Question: Should we give foreign aid to Palestine
We should stop aid to Palestine 14 (58.3%) We should fund Islamic terrorists 2 (8.3%) We're broke no aid unless it's disaster relief 8 (33.3%) Total votes: 24 « Created by: Baronvonrort on: Oct 17^th, 2023 at 11:54pm »