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Re: Science prove the conservative brain is inflexible
Reply #30 - Oct 17^th, 2023 at 9:25am

mothra wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 12:15pm:

Persuading the conservatives intending to vote for Trump is not about convincing them with logic; it is about understanding and navigating their innate preference for stability and tradition. By recognizing the inherent gravitation toward consistency, we see that the presentation of facts or data might not be the most persuasive tool. Effective persuasion demands an approach that's strategically empathetic. Rather than challenging the core of their beliefs head-on, it’s far more effective to frame arguments in a way that resonates with their intrinsic values — stability, tradition and consistency. Narratives and stories that weave in those facts that resonate with their core values will be more compelling. Presenting change not as a rupture, but as a natural evolution of the existing order, can be a more palatable and effective narrative.

To truly sway Republican voters, we must employ more than just arguments. It demands a properly balanced mix of genuine empathy, clever communication strategy and a basic grasp of the neurocognitive biases shaping their perspectives.

In the end, the outcome of the election may well hinge on our ability to navigate the cognitive labyrinth of the conservative mind."

https://www.rawstory.com/raw-investigates/brain-of-a-trump-supporter/?utm_source...

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Re: Science prove the conservative brain is inflexible
Reply #31 - Oct 17^th, 2023 at 9:34am

Dnarever wrote on Oct 17^th, 2023 at 7:05am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 1:13pm:

That is not what the paper says at all.

Conservatives find it very hard to change their mind.

Correct, It does not say that people are conservatives because they have this but that people who are conservative tend to have it more so. There is no claim of causation just a measured fact of existence.

For example: it is possible that it could be causal but just as likely to be later developed as part of being conservative. Like a natural defense to facts which is needed to maintain current conservative beliefs.

This would mean that conservatives with less of this in the current extreme right ideologies would have reacted to the facts by leaving the conservative ranks. It is entirely possible that this is liquid where a decade or more of extreme left activity would reversde the situation.

My father was a dyed in the wool conservative.

The workplace changed me from being conservative ..... but the left(Labor) has gone way left & far too progressive & I'm more in the middle, a bit of both depending on the subject.

A good mates old man who was a builder si a strict Catholic & a LABOR supporter no matter what.

Most builders/tradies/businessmen I know are conservative voters.

So I think the article posted is a crock of shyte.

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Re: Science prove the conservative brain is inflexible
Reply #32 - Oct 17^th, 2023 at 9:44am

Conservatism is highly dependent on the personality trait of conscientiousness; its subcategories being: self-efficacy, dutifulness, orderliness, achievement striving and self-discipline.

A liberal mindset is highly dependent on the personality trait of openness; its subcategories being: imaginative, emotional, aesthetic, adventurous and intellectually curious.

The degree to which you tend towards the personality traits of conscientiousness and openness is the degree to which you are likely to be respectively conservative or liberal.

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Re: Science prove the conservative brain is inflexible
Reply #33 - Oct 20^th, 2023 at 4:53pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 17^th, 2023 at 9:44am:

Conservatism is highly dependent on the personality trait of conscientiousness; its subcategories being: self-efficacy, dutifulness, orderliness, achievement striving and self-discipline.

A liberal mindset is highly dependent on the personality trait of openness; its subcategories being: imaginative, emotional, aesthetic, adventurous and intellectually curious.

The degree to which you tend towards the personality traits of conscientiousness and openness is the degree to which you are likely to be respectively conservative or liberal.

What a load of nonsense.

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Re: Science prove the conservative brain is inflexible
Reply #34 - Oct 20^th, 2023 at 4:56pm

Frank wrote on Oct 20^th, 2023 at 4:53pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 17^th, 2023 at 9:44am:

Conservatism is highly dependent on the personality trait of conscientiousness; its subcategories being: self-efficacy, dutifulness, orderliness, achievement striving and self-discipline.

A liberal mindset is highly dependent on the personality trait of openness; its subcategories being: imaginative, emotional, aesthetic, adventurous and intellectually curious.

The degree to which you tend towards the personality traits of conscientiousness and openness is the degree to which you are likely to be respectively conservative or liberal.

What a load of nonsense.

Two of the OCEAN traits - namely Conscientiousness and Openness have been associated with a tendency towards conservatism and liberalism respectively for years.

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Re: Science prove the conservative brain is inflexible
Reply #35 - Oct 20^th, 2023 at 5:06pm

that must be why lefties cant get anything done

too unfocused

always going after the next little hit of dopamine from virtue signalling

me too
climate change
BLM
george floyd
get the vax
lockdowns
mask mandates
trans in sports
welcome to country
the voice
ukraine
palestine
fat acceptance
rape culture
trump derangement

so very much "busy' work signalling to other lefties about your strong opinions

the rightie tends to be more on point

build a business
build a family
be present to the moment
solve the problem in front of you

sure its not as sexy or gratifying as leftie nonsense

but the left show

no execution
no discipline
no outcomes

science has proven the leftie to have the attention span of a gnat .
this is why he goes to the grave having done nothing risked nothing and achieved nothing

how ugly Cry

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Re: Science prove the conservative brain is inflexible
Reply #36 - Oct 20^th, 2023 at 5:41pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 20^th, 2023 at 4:56pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 20^th, 2023 at 4:53pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 17^th, 2023 at 9:44am:

Conservatism is highly dependent on the personality trait of conscientiousness; its subcategories being: self-efficacy, dutifulness, orderliness, achievement striving and self-discipline.

A liberal mindset is highly dependent on the personality trait of openness; its subcategories being: imaginative, emotional, aesthetic, adventurous and intellectually curious.

The degree to which you tend towards the personality traits of conscientiousness and openness is the degree to which you are likely to be respectively conservative or liberal.

What a load of nonsense.

Two of the OCEAN traits - namely Conscientiousness and Openness have been associated with a tendency towards conservatism and liberalism respectively for years.

Nonsense. Bollocks on stilts.

[Ill-defined abstract psychological concept] and [Ill-defined abstract psychological concept] have been associated with a tendency - geddit? associated with a tendency - towards [Ill-defined political concept] and [Ill-defined political concept] for years.

Social 'science'- dontcha love it?

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Re: Science prove the conservative brain is inflexible
Reply #37 - Oct 20^th, 2023 at 5:52pm

Moving on to how conscientiousness correlates with political orientation,
the higher the levels of trait conscientious present in an individual, the more likely they will be conservative (Gerber, et al., 2011).

the higher you are in trait openness, the higher the probability that you identify as a liberal on a binary political spectrum (Gerber et al., 2011).

https://engagedscholarship.csuohio.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1109&context=...

The most consistent findings from this line of research are an association between Openness to Experience and liberalism and between Conscientiousness and conservatism

https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/10.1146/annurev-polisci-051010-111659

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Re: Science prove the conservative brain is inflexible
Reply #38 - Oct 20^th, 2023 at 6:09pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 20^th, 2023 at 5:52pm:

Moving on to how conscientiousness correlates with political orientation,
the higher the levels of trait conscientious present in an individual, the more likely they will be conservative (Gerber, et al., 2011).

the higher you are in trait openness, the higher the probability that you identify as a liberal on a binary political spectrum (Gerber et al., 2011).

https://engagedscholarship.csuohio.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1109&context=...

The most consistent findings from this line of research are an association between Openness to Experience and liberalism and between Conscientiousness and conservatism

https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/10.1146/annurev-polisci-051010-111659

that would explain why the right lift and the left lean Shocked

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Re: Science prove the conservative brain is inflexible
Reply #40 - Oct 20^th, 2023 at 7:19pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 20^th, 2023 at 5:52pm:

Moving on to how conscientiousness correlates with political orientation,
the higher the levels of trait conscientious present in an individual, the more likely they will be conservative (Gerber, et al., 2011).

the higher you are in trait openness, the higher the probability that you identify as a liberal on a binary political spectrum (Gerber et al., 2011).

https://engagedscholarship.csuohio.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1109&context=...

The most consistent findings from this line of research are an association between Openness to Experience and liberalism and between Conscientiousness and conservatism

https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/10.1146/annurev-polisci-051010-111659

Gerber, Gerber and... er.... Gerber. That's enough Gerber.

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Postmodern Trendoid III Gold Member Offline Posts: 10266 Gender:	Re: Science prove the conservative brain is inflexible Reply #42 - Oct 20^th, 2023 at 11:53pm the labels of progressive and conservative are outdated anyway, given that what means to be one of them changes every few decades. a better contrast is emotionalism and rationalism.
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Re: Science prove the conservative brain is inflexible
Reply #43 - Oct 21^st, 2023 at 12:02am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 20^th, 2023 at 4:56pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 20^th, 2023 at 4:53pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Oct 17^th, 2023 at 9:44am:

Conservatism is highly dependent on the personality trait of conscientiousness; its subcategories being: self-efficacy, dutifulness, orderliness, achievement striving and self-discipline.

A liberal mindset is highly dependent on the personality trait of openness; its subcategories being: imaginative, emotional, aesthetic, adventurous and intellectually curious.

The degree to which you tend towards the personality traits of conscientiousness and openness is the degree to which you are likely to be respectively conservative or liberal.

What a load of nonsense.

Two of the OCEAN traits - namely Conscientiousness and Openness have been associated with a tendency towards conservatism and liberalism respectively for years.

The 't' word there says it in a nutshell.... it's an assumed tendency.... a theory untested ... read carefully what these 'studies' say...

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Re: Science prove the conservative brain is inflexible
Reply #44 - Oct 21^st, 2023 at 6:30am

Gnads wrote on Oct 17^th, 2023 at 9:25am:

mothra wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 12:15pm:

Persuading the conservatives intending to vote for Trump is not about convincing them with logic; it is about understanding and navigating their innate preference for stability and tradition. By recognizing the inherent gravitation toward consistency, we see that the presentation of facts or data might not be the most persuasive tool. Effective persuasion demands an approach that's strategically empathetic. Rather than challenging the core of their beliefs head-on, it’s far more effective to frame arguments in a way that resonates with their intrinsic values — stability, tradition and consistency. Narratives and stories that weave in those facts that resonate with their core values will be more compelling. Presenting change not as a rupture, but as a natural evolution of the existing order, can be a more palatable and effective narrative.

To truly sway Republican voters, we must employ more than just arguments. It demands a properly balanced mix of genuine empathy, clever communication strategy and a basic grasp of the neurocognitive biases shaping their perspectives.

In the end, the outcome of the election may well hinge on our ability to navigate the cognitive labyrinth of the conservative mind."

https://www.rawstory.com/raw-investigates/brain-of-a-trump-supporter/?utm_source...

More tears & lashing out because of the referendum result? Grin

What do Trump voters have to do with the referendum Cheesy

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