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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 46568 Gender:	Re: Science prove the conservative brain is inflexible Reply #90 - May 9^th, 2024 at 8:53pm mothra wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 12:57pm: No-one? It's an OPINION piece, numpty.
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Reply #91 - May 9^th, 2024 at 9:24pm

Frank wrote on May 9^th, 2024 at 6:41pm:

John Smith wrote on May 9^th, 2024 at 6:15pm:

Here you go dogshit, for your education since you obviously failed primary school, the full definition.

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Must suck to be as dumb as you. Probably to late for you to get that refund now though, you'd struggle to write your letter you're soooooo dogshit stupid Grin

You don't even understand your OWN posts, thicko. No news or surprise to anyone, of course.

Carry on, stupid ratbags, we know you will.

You're wrong again dogshit, it's you who is struggling to understand what I said. Even googling the definition you still managed to get it wrong. Just how stupid are you? Grin

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Reply #93 - May 10^th, 2024 at 12:16pm

mothra wrote on May 10^th, 2024 at 5:04am:

Frank wrote on May 9^th, 2024 at 8:53pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 12:57pm:

No-one?

It's an OPINION piece, numpty.

That you resurrected from deep slumber to re-infuriate all of you poor, tired old anachronisms.

A last gasp, fruitbat?

Well, you called it "Science proves..." when it's just an OPINION piece from a zine.
So no 'science proves..', then.

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Reply #94 - May 10^th, 2024 at 10:40pm

Frank wrote on May 9^th, 2024 at 8:46am:

Dnarever wrote on May 9^th, 2024 at 12:02am:

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conservative brain is inflexible

The right Conservative compared to the left progressive is more or less defined in their names. Conservative is naturally less flexible to change than are progressives by nature.

Saying conservatives are less flexible is hardly an insult when they advertise the fact up front and proudly trade on it as a primary characteristic.

Reality, duckwit, demonstrates the exact opposite. All the 'progressive" socialist states of Eastern Europe crashed while 'conservative' capitalist countries flourish.

Conservative doesn't mean stagnant, monolithic. Loking after your garden, your house, your family is conservative.
Concreting your garden, neglecting your house, abandoning your family for a folly is progressive.

Furta.

Progressives are not socialist and conservatives are not really capitalists they just like to think they are. The right typically take more socialist type handouts than the left while proclaiming the free market.

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Reply #95 - May 13^th, 2024 at 6:46am

Frank wrote on May 10^th, 2024 at 12:16pm:

mothra wrote on May 10^th, 2024 at 5:04am:

Frank wrote on May 9^th, 2024 at 8:53pm:

mothra wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 12:57pm:

No-one?

It's an OPINION piece, numpty.

That you resurrected from deep slumber to re-infuriate all of you poor, tired old anachronisms.

A last gasp, fruitbat?

Well, you called it "Science proves..." when it's just an OPINION piece from a zine.
So no 'science proves..', then.

It's a write up on a study. fruitbat. But you know that. You've heard it all before.

Otherwise you'd not try to pretend ideological asymmetry doesn't exist by copy and pasting the abstract only of a study (which appears to lack peer-reviewing) without citing the study itself.

You know that old saying about being careful when you point fingers? Probably not.

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Reply #96 - May 13^th, 2024 at 7:58am

mothra wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 12:15pm:

But what if I told you that our neural wiring determines whether we have the ability to change our minds? What if I told you that science suggests conservatives, who are extremely likely to be voting for Trump this election, generally have more rigid cognitive systems, which means they are less adaptable, and therefore, less likely to adopt a new framework or perspective when their approach fails?

Pondering, what --can-- change the opinion and mind of someone ?

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What effect does presenting empirical truth, again, and again, and again,
have upon the opinions of --individuals-- [i.e. those not belonging to a HIVE MIND] ?

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Reply #97 - May 13^th, 2024 at 8:02am

mothra wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 12:15pm:

A seminal study by social psychologist David Amodio and colleagues at New York University suggests that the typical conservative is not likely to be convinced by something as simple as a logically persuasive argument. For some conservatives, it's like asking them to change the color of their eyes. A progressive worldview cannot pierce their psyche because being dogmatic is programmed into the fabric of that worldview. It is not just that they are “stubborn”; their brains are actually wired to resist things that are new and different. So, you could say they lack “free will” when it comes to their voting decision. When we speak of free will in a modern sense, we are talking about the personal agency that enables one to override ingrained biases and consider alternative perspectives.

Pondering, what --can-- change the opinion and mind of someone ?

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What effect does presenting empirical truth, again, and again, and again,
have upon the opinions of --individuals-- [i.e. those not belonging to a HIVE MIND] ?

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #98 - May 13^th, 2024 at 8:06am

mothra wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 12:15pm:

To understand the implications of this study, we must voyage into the realm of neuroscience, where secrets of the mind await discovery. The ERN, which stands for “error related negativity,” is a spike in brain activity that is triggered when we commit an error. It serves as a kind of internal alert system within our brain, signaling when a mistake has been made. It emerges in the brain region known as the anterior cingulate cortex, which helps us navigate situations where established patterns or behaviors are ineffective and require adjustment. For example, if a person is learning to play a musical instrument and hits a wrong note, the ERN might spike, prompting them to correct their finger positioning and playing style. Over time, as they practice and adapt, the frequency of these ERN spikes will decrease, indicating improved proficiency and fewer mistakes.

Pondering, what --can-- change the opinion and mind of someone ?

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What effect does presenting empirical truth, again, and again, and again,
have upon the opinions of --individuals-- [i.e. those not belonging to a HIVE MIND] ?

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #99 - May 13^th, 2024 at 8:09am

mothra wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 12:15pm:

Armed with a knowledge of the nature of the ERN, Dr. Amodio and colleagues ventured into the terrain of politics. Their highly-cited 2007 study revealed an illuminating connection between one's political orientation and the intensity of the ERN response. What they found was that participants with liberal views exhibited a more pronounced ERN. This suggests they have a heightened sensitivity to error signals, indicating a cognitive system that acknowledges the need for adjustments in perspective and strategy. Essentially, when their established behavioral patterns were shown to be incorrect or suboptimal, their brains signaled more intensely for an adaptive response. From these findings, we can conclude that progressive-minded individuals possess a neural predisposition for recognizing the need for change and growth.

Pondering, what --can-- change the opinion and mind of someone ?

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What effect does presenting empirical truth, again, and again, and again,
have upon the opinions of --individuals-- [i.e. those not belonging to a HIVE MIND] ?

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #100 - May 13^th, 2024 at 8:12am

mothra wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 12:15pm:

Conservatives, on the other hand, exhibited a smaller ERN. This suggests that their cognitive system is more resistant to signals advocating for change or reconsideration. We can think of this as a neural reflection of their preference for stability, tradition and consistency. The typical conservative voter’s mental landscape, sculpted by a combination of genetics and indoctrinating experiences, values the familiar and reliable. Established norms and long-held beliefs provide a safe harbor in the face of a changing society and an uncertain future. It's a mindset where radical shifts or sudden upheavals are perceived not as opportunities but threats to a delicate equilibrium. Conservatism is essentially a neurocognitive inclination aimed at preserving the status quo.

Pondering, what --can-- change the opinion and mind of someone ?

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What effect does presenting empirical truth, again, and again, and again,
have upon the opinions of --individuals-- [i.e. those not belonging to a HIVE MIND] ?

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #101 - May 13^th, 2024 at 8:16am

mothra wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 12:15pm:

So, what are we supposed to take away from these results? Does it mean there’s no hope for shifting anyone’s stances this election?

One might reasonably conclude that we should simply focus on getting all those already on our ideological side to turn out to the polls on voting day.

But using that strategy alone is risky. We should not give up hope in spreading a progressive worldview, because resistance to change and evolution eventually leads to societal collapse. History has unequivocally demonstrated that. Adaptivity is the key to individual and collective survival. This means we have an ethical obligation to be evangelists for progress and sensible change. This will require a bit of social engineering and some creativity.

Pondering, what --can-- change the opinion and mind of someone ?

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What effect does presenting empirical truth, again, and again, and again,
have upon the opinions of --individuals-- [i.e. those not belonging to a HIVE MIND] ?

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #102 - May 13^th, 2024 at 8:19am

mothra wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 12:15pm:

Persuading the conservatives intending to vote for Trump is not about convincing them with logic; it is about understanding and navigating their innate preference for stability and tradition. By recognizing the inherent gravitation toward consistency, we see that the presentation of facts or data might not be the most persuasive tool. Effective persuasion demands an approach that's strategically empathetic. Rather than challenging the core of their beliefs head-on, it’s far more effective to frame arguments in a way that resonates with their intrinsic values — stability, tradition and consistency. Narratives and stories that weave in those facts that resonate with their core values will be more compelling. Presenting change not as a rupture, but as a natural evolution of the existing order, can be a more palatable and effective narrative.

Pondering, what --can-- change the opinion and mind of someone ?

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What effect does presenting empirical truth, again, and again, and again,
have upon the opinions of --individuals-- [i.e. those not belonging to a HIVE MIND] ?

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #103 - May 13^th, 2024 at 8:31am

mothra wrote on Oct 16^th, 2023 at 12:15pm:

To truly sway Republican voters, we must employ more than just arguments. It demands a properly balanced mix of genuine empathy, clever communication strategy and a basic grasp of the neurocognitive biases shaping their perspectives.

In the end, the outcome of the election may well hinge on our ability to navigate the cognitive labyrinth of the conservative mind."

Pondering, what --can-- change the opinion and mind of someone ?

Q.
What effect does presenting empirical truth, again, and again, and again,
have upon the opinions of --individuals-- [i.e. those not belonging to a HIVE MIND] ?

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The simplest strategy [to accomplish some goal] is often the [very] best.

What many citizens, in many nations, worldwide, crave for from their political leaders,
IS NOT MORE SPIN, IN THEIR 'NARRATIVE'.

It is integrity, ......closely connected to their own personality.

And accountability.

Period.

An honest politician.
......now there is a MIND BENDING, novel concept.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Science prove the conservative brain is inflexible
Reply #104 - May 13^th, 2024 at 3:16pm

Well - you see - the total inadequacy of this 'discussion' of some twerp's idea is this - it is not the BRAIN at all..... in some cases on all sides people may have inflexible minds - but that is only comparative anyway since every moment is a decision one way or another - hardly the province of an 'inflexible' mind - so this entire 'argument' is spurious. Stupid comment by a quarter-baked twerp.

Get a life, people.... how many pages of this utter nonsense must we endure?

Trump peaking at the right time......... Biden doddering....

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