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Re: Why are there Palestinian refugees?
Reply #15 - Oct 19th, 2023 at 11:59pm
 
Karnal wrote on Oct 19th, 2023 at 7:27pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 19th, 2023 at 5:49pm:
Why were the German, Polish, Jewish, Greek, Turkish, Pakistani, Hindu, etc refugee problems solved after WWII but not the Palestinian 'refugee' problem?

Why haven't Egyp and Jordan (the larger part of the Palestinian Mandate) and Syria and the rest of the Arab countries absorbed the Arab 'refugees', while all the other countries absorbed their own peoples after the war - Germans, Jews, Poles, Hindu and Muslim Indians etc??


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We most certainly did absorb the Jewish peoples after WWII, dear boy. A good six million of them decided to up and move to Israel, remember?

There were less than a million Jews in Palestine in 1948. Arabs owned the majority of the land. They outnumbered Jews twelve to one.

There are over a million Palestinian refugees in neighbouring camps, forced out in 1967. Many still own land in Israel, a country they're refused entry. Much of their land has Israeli settlers plonked on. Israeli families, Israeli suburbs, block after block of illegal suburbs.

You know all this, old boy. Your virtue signalling always collapses with your feigned high moral ground. Ultimately, dear boy, you don't give a shit.

Always absolutely never ever.


What happened to the properties of the Jewish refugees from North Africa, Iraq, Syria, Iran, Egypt?

Why could all the Jewish refugees from Europe be re-settled in a great variety of countries, not just Israel? All the other displaced European - they are not still living in 'refugee camps three generations later.
Hindu and Muslim refugees from India and Pakistan - not in refugee camps.


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Re: Why are there Palestinian refugees?
Reply #16 - Oct 20th, 2023 at 8:21am
 
Frank wrote on Oct 19th, 2023 at 11:59pm:
Karnal wrote on Oct 19th, 2023 at 7:27pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 19th, 2023 at 5:49pm:
Why were the German, Polish, Jewish, Greek, Turkish, Pakistani, Hindu, etc refugee problems solved after WWII but not the Palestinian 'refugee' problem?

Why haven't Egyp and Jordan (the larger part of the Palestinian Mandate) and Syria and the rest of the Arab countries absorbed the Arab 'refugees', while all the other countries absorbed their own peoples after the war - Germans, Jews, Poles, Hindu and Muslim Indians etc??


https://youtu.be/j1TDEhmuGBI?si=e8TsvA_ceCkMnqrm



We most certainly did absorb the Jewish peoples after WWII, dear boy. A good six million of them decided to up and move to Israel, remember?

There were less than a million Jews in Palestine in 1948. Arabs owned the majority of the land. They outnumbered Jews twelve to one.

There are over a million Palestinian refugees in neighbouring camps, forced out in 1967. Many still own land in Israel, a country they're refused entry. Much of their land has Israeli settlers plonked on. Israeli families, Israeli suburbs, block after block of illegal suburbs.

You know all this, old boy. Your virtue signalling always collapses with your feigned high moral ground. Ultimately, dear boy, you don't give a shit.

Always absolutely never ever.


What happened to the properties of the Jewish refugees from North Africa, Iraq, Syria, Iran, Egypt?

Why could all the Jewish refugees from Europe be re-settled in a great variety of countries, not just Israel? All the other displaced European - they are not still living in 'refugee camps three generations later.
Hindu and Muslim refugees from India and Pakistan - not in refugee camps.




What, you'd expect Israel's neighbouring countries to formally accept Israel's exile of around six million Palestinians?

Cunning. What next - the Final Solution?
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Re: Why are there Palestinian refugees?
Reply #17 - Oct 20th, 2023 at 4:12pm
 
Karnal wrote on Oct 20th, 2023 at 8:21am:
Frank wrote on Oct 19th, 2023 at 11:59pm:
Karnal wrote on Oct 19th, 2023 at 7:27pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 19th, 2023 at 5:49pm:
Why were the German, Polish, Jewish, Greek, Turkish, Pakistani, Hindu, etc refugee problems solved after WWII but not the Palestinian 'refugee' problem?

Why haven't Egyp and Jordan (the larger part of the Palestinian Mandate) and Syria and the rest of the Arab countries absorbed the Arab 'refugees', while all the other countries absorbed their own peoples after the war - Germans, Jews, Poles, Hindu and Muslim Indians etc??


https://youtu.be/j1TDEhmuGBI?si=e8TsvA_ceCkMnqrm



We most certainly did absorb the Jewish peoples after WWII, dear boy. A good six million of them decided to up and move to Israel, remember?

There were less than a million Jews in Palestine in 1948. Arabs owned the majority of the land. They outnumbered Jews twelve to one.

There are over a million Palestinian refugees in neighbouring camps, forced out in 1967. Many still own land in Israel, a country they're refused entry. Much of their land has Israeli settlers plonked on. Israeli families, Israeli suburbs, block after block of illegal suburbs.

You know all this, old boy. Your virtue signalling always collapses with your feigned high moral ground. Ultimately, dear boy, you don't give a shit.

Always absolutely never ever.


What happened to the properties of the Jewish refugees from North Africa, Iraq, Syria, Iran, Egypt?

Why could all the Jewish refugees from Europe be re-settled in a great variety of countries, not just Israel? All the other displaced European - they are not still living in 'refugee camps three generations later.
Hindu and Muslim refugees from India and Pakistan - not in refugee camps.




What, you'd expect Israel's neighbouring countries to formally accept Israel's exile of around six million Palestinians?

Cunning. What next - the Final Solution?


Absolutely. Better than farming them in 'refugee camps", wee paki arse bandit.
The Arabs accepted the formal expulsion of their Jews and Israel and other countries absorbed, they are not farmed in refugee camps.

Also,
At the end of the Second World War, at least 40 million people had been displaced from their home countries, with about eleven million in Allied-occupied Germany.[3][4][5][6] These included former prisoners of war, released slave laborers, and both non-Jewish and Jewish concentration-camp survivors.

After India's partition "It is thought that between 14 million and 18 million people moved, and perhaps more."

Do you ever get the feeling that you are a slippery, tapdancing paki arse bandit?
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Reply #18 - Oct 20th, 2023 at 4:58pm
 
Frank wrote on Oct 20th, 2023 at 4:12pm:
Absolutely. Better than farming them in 'refugee camps", wee paki arse bandit



better for who?
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Re: why are there Palestinian refugees?
Reply #19 - Oct 20th, 2023 at 5:33pm
 
How good are the Palestinians as immigrants?

In 1992 Denmark gave 321 rejected Palestinian asylum seekers extraordinary residence permits, granted directly by parliament by a special law (Palæstinenserloven).

According to the statement  by Acting Immigration and Integration Minister Kaare Dybvad Bek (S) to the Norwegian Parliament's Immigration and Integration Committee, 204 of the Palestinians have been convicted of crime by 2019.

Of these, 72 received a prison sentence during the period, or they have been fined more than 1,500 kroner ($350).

As of 2019,  176 of them received public welfare, most of them, 122 people, received early retirement, given to the physically or mentally disabled.

https://piopio.dk/palaestinensere-er-endt-i-kriminalitet-og-paa-offentlig-forsoe...


Palestinians are thicker, on average, than Danes, Brits or Australians.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160289614001093
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Re: why are there Palestinian refugees?
Reply #20 - Oct 20th, 2023 at 5:44pm
 
Frank wrote on Oct 20th, 2023 at 5:33pm:
How good are the Palestinians as immigrants?

In 1992 Denmark gave 321 rejected Palestinian asylum seekers extraordinary residence permits, granted directly by parliament by a special law (Palæstinenserloven).

According to the statement  by Acting Immigration and Integration Minister Kaare Dybvad Bek (S) to the Norwegian Parliament's Immigration and Integration Committee, 204 of the Palestinians have been convicted of crime by 2019.

Of these, 72 received a prison sentence during the period, or they have been fined more than 1,500 kroner ($350).

As of 2019,  176 of them received public welfare, most of them, 122 people, received early retirement, given to the physically or mentally disabled.

https://piopio.dk/palaestinensere-er-endt-i-kriminalitet-og-paa-offentlig-forsoe...


Palestinians are thicker, on average, than Danes, Brits or Australians.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160289614001093



thats what coming from low vibration energy and victim thinking does for you.

the kids are salvageable however

need to get them right away from the pandering lefties who want them to identify as victims

they could work in dubai doing apprenticeships in skyscraper production.

dubai and abu dahbi are proof that the arab can be entrepreneurial .

he just needs to steer clear of lefties
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Re: why are there Palestinian refugees?
Reply #21 - Oct 20th, 2023 at 6:00pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Oct 20th, 2023 at 5:44pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 20th, 2023 at 5:33pm:
How good are the Palestinians as immigrants?

In 1992 Denmark gave 321 rejected Palestinian asylum seekers extraordinary residence permits, granted directly by parliament by a special law (Palæstinenserloven).

According to the statement  by Acting Immigration and Integration Minister Kaare Dybvad Bek (S) to the Norwegian Parliament's Immigration and Integration Committee, 204 of the Palestinians have been convicted of crime by 2019.

Of these, 72 received a prison sentence during the period, or they have been fined more than 1,500 kroner ($350).

As of 2019,  176 of them received public welfare, most of them, 122 people, received early retirement, given to the physically or mentally disabled.

https://piopio.dk/palaestinensere-er-endt-i-kriminalitet-og-paa-offentlig-forsoe...


Palestinians are thicker, on average, than Danes, Brits or Australians.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160289614001093



thats what coming from low vibration energy and victim thinking does for you.

the kids are salvageable however

need to get them right away from the pandering lefties who want them to identify as victims

they could work in dubai doing apprenticeships in skyscraper production.

dubai and abu dahbi are proof that the arab can be entrepreneurial .

he just needs to steer clear of lefties


You're virtue signalling an old boy who despises the tinted races even more than the leftards, dear.

Still, you made it up with your Final Solution for the Palestinians. That lifted his spirits for a second.

Remember, the old boy's dominant emotion is schadenfreud. Appeal to that and he'll virtue signal you back.
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Re: why are there Palestinian refugees?
Reply #22 - Oct 20th, 2023 at 8:09pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Oct 20th, 2023 at 5:44pm:
Frank wrote on Oct 20th, 2023 at 5:33pm:
How good are the Palestinians as immigrants?

In 1992 Denmark gave 321 rejected Palestinian asylum seekers extraordinary residence permits, granted directly by parliament by a special law (Palæstinenserloven).

According to the statement  by Acting Immigration and Integration Minister Kaare Dybvad Bek (S) to the Norwegian Parliament's Immigration and Integration Committee, 204 of the Palestinians have been convicted of crime by 2019.

Of these, 72 received a prison sentence during the period, or they have been fined more than 1,500 kroner ($350).

As of 2019,  176 of them received public welfare, most of them, 122 people, received early retirement, given to the physically or mentally disabled.

https://piopio.dk/palaestinensere-er-endt-i-kriminalitet-og-paa-offentlig-forsoe...


Palestinians are thicker, on average, than Danes, Brits or Australians.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160289614001093



thats what coming from low vibration energy and victim thinking does for you.

the kids are salvageable however

need to get them right away from the pandering lefties who want them to identify as victims



Well, whatever you do, don't 'save' them in Oregon, there is an infestation of lefty mongs there, in plague proportions:

Oregon again says students don’t need to prove mastery of reading, writing or math to graduate, citing harm to students of color


https://www.oregonlive.com/education/2023/10/oregon-again-says-students-dont-nee...

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Reply #23 - Oct 26th, 2024 at 9:40pm
 
“This is not the end of the war … it is the beginning of the end,” said Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on the killing of Yahya Sinwar last week.

So, where and when did this all begin? Oddly, it started in Moscow in 1964. When will it end? It won’t, because it can’t. The Palestinian “leadership” won’t let it.

In 1964, the Soviet Union’s Committee for State Security (Komitet Gosudarstvennoy Bezopasnosti – KGB), was funding and sometimes organising various Marxist armies for national liberation around the world, and is believed to have come up with the idea of the Palestine Liberation Organisation. It reportedly even helpfully drew up a list of members and assisted with its charter.

This blended a disparate people – the Palestinians – and shaped their grievance into a policy calling for the destruction of Israel. At the time, Nikita Khrushchev was first secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. Khrushchev had in recent years brutally suppressed unrest in Georgia and Poland, and a revolution in Hungary, while coming perilously close to superpower nuclear war in 1962. He wanted to destabilise Israel – indeed, eliminate it – and exert more power and influence across the Middle East. A common denominator in the region was a hatred of Jews (Khrushchev wasn’t keen on them either). He would give this unity and focus.

The PLO officially formed in Egypt at a meeting of the Arab League in 1964. The Egyptian president, Gamal Nasser, was a client of Moscow, which supplied Egypt with weapons, trained its military leaders around its Eastern European possessions, and even offered to defend it with nuclear weapons during the 1956 Suez Crisis.

Any would-be nation needs a national anthem and the poet Said Al Muzayin obliged the following year, writing bellicose words pretty indicative of the Palestinian mindset then and now: “Warrior, warrior, warrior,” it starts, before going on about “my determination, my fire and the volcano of my vendetta”. No word here about saving gracious kings. In any case, they were girt by Jews. It continues: “With the resolve of the winds and the fire of the weapons.”

The first leaders of the PLO disappointed Moscow, so they lobbied for their man. After the Arabs’ humiliating defeat in 1967’s Six-Day War, Nasser, who briefly resigned, declared Egypt-born Yasser Arafat to be the leader of the Palestinians. By 1969, Arafat was chairman of the PLO, as well as the KGB’s chief asset in the region. By then Yuri Andropov, who would in 1982 replace Leonid Brezhnev as leader of the Soviet Union, was running the KGB – and Arafat.

Andropov told a senior Romanian colleague, General Ion Pacepa, that: “We needed to instil a Nazi-style hatred for the Jews throughout the Islamic world, and to turn this weapon of the emotions into a terrorist bloodbath against Israel and its main supporter, the United States.”

The Russians soon started funding and arming the PLO and its terror offshoots with shipments of machine guns, remotely detonated landmines, grenades, rocket-propelled grenades, and rifles for long-distance sniper attacks. Some of these were used in the 1970 Black September attacks when the PLO, which had taken up residence in Jordan, sought to take over that country.

They were used in other terror attacks including the hijacking in 1976 of an Air France flight on a stopover in Athens during a Tel Aviv-Paris service. The hijackers directed the plane first to Libya and then on to Uganda’s Entebbe Airport, where psychotic dictator Idi Amin, a pro-Palestinian racist, drove to the airport to welcome the terrorists to his country. They demanded Israel free about 40 Palestinian prisoners for the more than 100, mostly Jewish, hostages.

Instead, the Israelis launched their audacious raid on the airport on the night of July 3. They killed the hijackers and left with all but three of the hostages. One Israeli soldier was killed: Yonatan Netanyahu, the older brother of today’s Israeli Prime Minister.

One hostage, Dora Bloch, 74, had been taken to hospital. An enraged, humiliated Amin ordered that she be murdered. Soldiers killed her. Her body was found three years later in a sugar plantation. Her face had been burned. (It is worth noting that Amin was chairman of the Organisation of African Unity and the following year his country was elevated to the United Nations Commission on Human Rights.)

Arafat would remain leader of the PLO until his death in 2004. Indeed, our Prime Minister Anthony Albanese once travelled to Ramallah to meet the man who used to boast that he invented hijacking. Foreign Minister Penny Wong did not go. Very sensible. According to the UN, where Wong likes to have the floor, the Palestinian territories are not safe for women: “Women and girls in the occupied Palestinian territory face discrimination and risk of gender-based violence, including early/forced marriage, intimate partner/family violence, sexual harassment, rape, incest, ­denial of resources, psychological abuse and risk of sexual exploitation and abuse.”

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Reply #24 - Oct 26th, 2024 at 9:43pm
 
Arafat defiantly stood in the way of peace and refused generous offers for a separate Palestinian state. He never wanted a two-state solution, even though for years he pretended to. He wanted one Palestinian state and no Jews next door. The map of the world on his office wall had Israel marked as Palestine – a common sight.

While playing along with US plans for peace and a two-state solution, Arafat was reported speaking to a group of Arabs in Sweden in 1996: “Within five years we will have six or seven million Arabs in the West Bank … We will replace Israel with a Palestinian Arab state … I have no use for Jews, they are and remain Jews.” About that time he was also reported as stating: “We will not bend or fail until the blood of every last Jew from the youngest child to the oldest elder is spilled to redeem our land!”

Had there been a lever the pulling of which would obliterate Jews from the earth, Arafat would have elbowed his way to it.

You couldn’t negotiate in good faith with Arafat, he had none. Like his understudy and now Palestinian leader, the poisonous, Moscow-educated liar Mahmoud Abbas. His doctoral thesis insisted that the Jews were secretly partners with the Nazis.

Since October 7 last year, various Palestinian leaders have made it clear that not only was that atrocity welcomed and celebrated, but there was more to come and that it would not end until Jews were wiped out in a new Holocaust. The misguided masses at pro-Palestinian marches in Western capitals are supporting that.

The other day, my friend Itamar Marcus explained what was being said to Palestinians in the West Bank and in Gaza. Marcus founded Palestinian Media Watch, has negotiated with the Palestinians, and advised governments around the world including in the US, UK, ­Europe, Canada and Australia. His news was depressing. The Palestinian people are being shepherded, without noticeable resistance, to disaster by a committed death cult. Hamas is more popular now than ever.

Marcus says that even good people will support terror if they believe “it is the right, moral, ethical thing to do”. He described the videos (taken by the terrorists) of joyous, cackling gunmen shooting people running away, raping girls, beheading others, blowing up youngsters and setting fire to Jews as evidence they had been taught that Jews were less than human, indeed evil beings best eradicated.

He says that Palestinians have been convinced that Jews endanger all humanity, and that has become part of their national identity.

And it starts at the top, with Arafat’s replacement, Abbas. The lies to “his” people are on such a scale, they sound absurd to any normal listener. He told a Fatah conference six weeks before the October 7 attacks that Hitler killed the Jews, not because of their religion, but their “social role, which is connected to usury and money … they caused ruin in his opinion, and therefore he hated them”.

Abbas is telling Arabs that killing Jews is just self-defence.

This wasn’t news to anyone. He had addressed the UN a few months earlier where he explained Britain and the US wanted rid of their Jews and had cooked up a scheme after the war to create a place for them, with the added bonus that it would give the West a toehold in the oil-rich region. The UN delegates sat in silence.

That slogan “from the river to the sea” is not about real estate. For Arafat and Abbas and Hamas leaders Ismail Haniyeh and Sinwar it is, and was always, what they see as the noble cause of ridding us of Jews. Hitler failed. They and their successors don’t plan to. From the river to the sea, they want the job done. And they have broad support at home and abroad. Even on Australian city streets. But perhaps that is to be expected while Albanese and Wong vandalise Australia’s reputation for fairness in Middle East affairs. Those puerile calls for a ceasefire were morally neutral at best.

Mahmoud Al-Habbash is Abbas’s adviser on religious and Islamic affairs and said in a recent broadcast that there never had been a Jewish nation – it was invented by Europeans to gather them together.

Al-Habbash called Jews “grazing herds of humanoids … those whom Allah has cursed and with whom he became angry and made of them apes and pigs”. They are also Satan in human form. So to kill one is not to kill a human. Advice the attackers of October 7 took to heart. It was Allah’s will. This view was reinforced at mosques across the Palestinian territory in sermons distributed en masse in the days after the attacks.

On July 9 this year a preacher on official Palestinian Authority television said: “O Allah, power of hand and might, support the jihad fighters in the Gaza Strip … strike the thieving Jews … count them and kill them one by one.”

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Reply #25 - Oct 26th, 2024 at 9:46pm
 
The morning after the October 7 slaughter, a Fatah member was on television delighted with the carnage that had claimed whole families in Israel, including babies. Abd Al-Rahman Abu Al-Rub said: “We say to our people … a morning of victory, a morning of pride. We ask Allah to send a blessing to our heroic martyrs in the Gaza Strip.”

These are the words of a savage. And they sound familiar. A day later, Sydney’s Sheikh Ibrahim Dadoun excitedly addressed a crowd gathered at Lakemba in the city’s west. “I’m smiling,” he said. Indeed he was so beside himself, he said it again: “I’m smiling and I’m happy. I’m elated. It’s a day of courage. It’s a day of pride. It’s a day of victory. This is the day we’ve been waiting for.”

Then, bending history, and falling in line with Arafat and Abbas and their repugnant footsoldiers, he said: “Seventy-five years of occupation … What happened yesterday was the first time our brothers and sisters broke through the largest prison on Earth.”

By claiming 75 years of occupation, Dadoun renders illegitimate the state of Israel from 1948. This is river-to-the-sea talk.

Dadoun was born in Sydney. We cannot cancel his citizenship, even if he is among the most dangerous Australians. But those chanting “Allah” as he spoke may not yet be Australians. Or they may be naturalised Australians. That could be a problem for them and some of the thousands of Australians wearing keffiyehs and demanding the Jews be murderously swept from the Middle East.

Two days after October 7, some of the world’s most significant buildings – the Brandenburg Gate, 10 Downing Street, the EU headquarters, the Eiffel Tower – were ­illuminated in Israel’s colours. At only one was there a riot: Sydney’s Opera House, where police stood mute as thugs burned Israeli flags, lit flares, even throwing them at police, and chanted “F..k the Jews” and “Where’s the Jews”.

None of them was arrested that night. Not one. Jews were warned not to attend. The government and NSW police had abandoned them.

The names of each offender should have been taken and checked against their immigration status. Any of them here on a variety of student, business, family or visitor visas should have been removed from the country. And those who had gained citizenship should have had their migration status reviewed.

It’s pretty simple. The Australian Citizenship Pledge states: “From this time forward, I pledge my loyalty to Australia and its people, whose democratic beliefs I share, whose rights and liberties I respect, and whose laws I will uphold and obey.”

Clearly anyone who had taken that pledge and criminally rioted that day lied at the time they uttered the pledge. Anyone who has defaced the offices of our members of parliament, smashed windows and painted crude pro-Palestinian slogans, and who has taken that pledge, lied while doing so. Those are acts against our democracy. Indeed, they are terror attacks, even if governments indolently leave the investigations to suburban police.

Anyone who daubs buildings and signs with Hamas slogans is supporting a terrorist organisation and, if they took the pledge, lied at that time.

The Australian Citizenship Pledge is important and serious. I thought so when I took it. Those words define how we choose to live in this country. If you choose not to live that way then this is not the place for you.
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Gordon wrote on Oct 18th, 2023 at 8:24am:
Karnal is a dirty old sex tourist


Because he visited Chez Gordon?
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