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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 104847 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Don't hail a taxi in Victoria - $23,000, 12 months Reply #30 - Oct 21^st, 2023 at 6:05am Arrest her:
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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11471 armidale Gender:	Re: Don't hail a taxi in Victoria - $23,000, 12 months Reply #31 - Oct 21^st, 2023 at 6:16am Jasin wrote on Oct 20^th, 2023 at 10:47pm: "Hail Caesar!" Poor girl has birth complications and needs hospital fast.
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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 48355 Gender:	Re: Don't hail a taxi in Victoria - $23,000, 12 months Reply #32 - Oct 21^st, 2023 at 1:22pm What about that ANTI-WHITE fist pump that the African-Americans do?
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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11471 armidale Gender:	Re: Don't hail a taxi in Victoria - $23,000, 12 months Reply #33 - Oct 21^st, 2023 at 4:29pm Taxi revs up and leaves fast. The fist, the nazi salute, two fingers or the thumb sign are not harmful. It's a bit infantile to ban any of them, or sticking the tongue out or saying der. In fact they can be useful in communicating information about the persons.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 104847 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Don't hail a taxi in Victoria - $23,000, 12 months Reply #34 - Oct 22^nd, 2023 at 10:40am
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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11471 armidale Gender:	Re: Don't hail a taxi in Victoria - $23,000, 12 months Reply #35 - Oct 22^nd, 2023 at 11:13am It could be tricky for tennis players serving. A boxing champ who wins a fight. Jews waving farewell to relatives on trip to Israel.
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Re: Don't hail a taxi in Victoria - $23,000, 12 months
Reply #36 - Oct 24^th, 2023 at 9:58pm

I dont think we have anything to worry about.

Here is the Summary Offences (Nazi Salute Prohibition) Bill 2023

1 Purpose
The purpose of this Act is to amend the Summary
Offences Act 1966—
(a) to make the public display or performance of
5 Nazi gestures an offence; and
(b) to extend the application of the offence of
public display of Nazi symbols

(1) In section 41J of the Principal Act insert the
following definitions—
25 "Nazi gesture means—
(a) a Nazi salute; or
(b) any other gesture used by the Nazi
Party; or
(c) a gesture that so nearly resembles a
30 gesture referred to in paragraph (a)
or (b) that it is likely to be confused
with or mistaken for that gesture;

First of all, hailing a taxi is not a nazi salute. If may look like a nazi salute, BUT, the purpose of making that gesture is not for purpose of Nazi salute, and its very difficult in a court of law, in absence of any other evidence, to prove beyond reasonable doubt that the intent is other than hailing a taxi.

What will happen is that the case gets thrown out of the court.

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Re: Don't hail a taxi in Victoria - $23,000, 12 months
Reply #37 - Oct 24^th, 2023 at 10:01pm

tickleandrose wrote on Oct 24^th, 2023 at 9:58pm:

I dont think we have anything to worry about.

Here is the Summary Offences (Nazi Salute Prohibition) Bill 2023

1 Purpose
The purpose of this Act is to amend the Summary
Offences Act 1966—
(a) to make the public display or performance of
5 Nazi gestures an offence; and
(b) to extend the application of the offence of
public display of Nazi symbols

(1) In section 41J of the Principal Act insert the
following definitions—
25 "Nazi gesture means—
(a) a Nazi salute; or
(b) any other gesture used by the Nazi
Party; or
(c) a gesture that so nearly resembles a
30 gesture referred to in paragraph (a)
or (b) that it is likely to be confused
with or mistaken for that gesture;

First of all, hailing a taxi is not a nazi salute. If may look like a nazi salute, BUT, the purpose of making that gesture is not for purpose of Nazi salute, and its very difficult in a court of law, in absence of any other evidence, to prove beyond reasonable doubt that the intent is other than hailing a taxi.

What will happen is that the case gets thrown out of the court.

They would arrest her anyway - that's how cops act.

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Re: Don't hail a taxi in Victoria - $23,000, 12 months
Reply #38 - Oct 25^th, 2023 at 12:05am

Bobby. wrote on Oct 24^th, 2023 at 10:01pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Oct 24^th, 2023 at 9:58pm:

I dont think we have anything to worry about.

Here is the Summary Offences (Nazi Salute Prohibition) Bill 2023

1 Purpose
The purpose of this Act is to amend the Summary
Offences Act 1966—
(a) to make the public display or performance of
5 Nazi gestures an offence; and
(b) to extend the application of the offence of
public display of Nazi symbols

(1) In section 41J of the Principal Act insert the
following definitions—
25 "Nazi gesture means—
(a) a Nazi salute; or
(b) any other gesture used by the Nazi
Party; or
(c) a gesture that so nearly resembles a
30 gesture referred to in paragraph (a)
or (b) that it is likely to be confused
with or mistaken for that gesture;

First of all, hailing a taxi is not a nazi salute. If may look like a nazi salute, BUT, the purpose of making that gesture is not for purpose of Nazi salute, and its very difficult in a court of law, in absence of any other evidence, to prove beyond reasonable doubt that the intent is other than hailing a taxi.

What will happen is that the case gets thrown out of the court.

They would arrest her anyway - that's how cops act.

Do you know any cops?

They do not act this way. They are not mindless automatrons. If they have reasonable cause to believe a crime is committed, they will act.

Hailing (not heiling) a taxi, will never be seen in the mind of a cop as reasonable cause to believe a hate crime has been committed.

Bobby, do you really think so little of the police?
Have you had dealings with them to have such a poor opinion? (they are not like the highway patrol)

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Bobby.

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Re: Don't hail a taxi in Victoria - $23,000, 12 months
Reply #39 - Oct 25^th, 2023 at 4:58am

Super Nova wrote on Oct 25^th, 2023 at 12:05am:

Do you know any cops?

They do not act this way. They are not mindless automatrons. If they have reasonable cause to believe a crime is committed, they will act.

Hailing (not heiling) a taxi, will never be seen in the mind of a cop as reasonable cause to believe a hate crime has been committed.

Bobby, do you really think so little of the police?
Have you had dealings with them to have such a poor opinion? (they are not like the highway patrol)

Thou hath not followed the Covid cop experience here in Victoria.

forgiven
namaste

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Re: Don't hail a taxi in Victoria - $23,000, 12 months
Reply #40 - Oct 25^th, 2023 at 5:56am

The only excuses are : academic, artistic,
educational or scientific purpose; cultural or religious (Hindu, Jain).
Sports people, taxi riders, airport farewells, bird spotters, kitchen shelf users and arm stretchers after sleeping are all suspects.

In the US people are convicted of public exposure when they stand at the window of their home in view of others.

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Re: Don't hail a taxi in Victoria - $23,000, 12 months
Reply #41 - Oct 25^th, 2023 at 4:46pm

chimera wrote on Oct 25^th, 2023 at 5:56am:

The only excuses are : academic, artistic,
educational or scientific purpose; cultural or religious (Hindu, Jain).
Sports people, taxi riders, airport farewells, bird spotters, kitchen shelf users and arm stretchers after sleeping are all suspects.

In the US people are convicted of public exposure when they stand at the window of their home in view of others.

Then its not problem of the law... its the problem of the law enforcer.

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Reply #42 - Oct 25^th, 2023 at 5:41pm

No probs for cops. They have the power to grab nearly everyone in sight who raises their right arm. In pubs, cricket, votes in town halls, at Woolies shelves, high lockers in Police Stations, footie goal-kickers, judges who reach from the bench to the clerk. .. jails will be packed to the roof with mates to wave them off.....

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Reply #43 - Nov 8^th, 2024 at 10:52pm

https://www.noticer.news/australian-sentenced-to-one-month-jail-for-hand-gesture...

Australian nationalist given one-month jail sentence for hand gesture.

November 8, 2024

The Noticer

Prominent Australian nationalist Jacob Hersant has been given a one-month jail sentence for performing a political salute.

Mr Hersant, 25, the leader of right-wing activist group the National Socialist Network, was released on appeal bail 45 minutes after being ordered into custody in the Melbourne Magistrates Court on Friday.

Magistrate Brett Sonnet last month found Mr Hersant guilty of performing the salute outside the Victorian County Court in October 2023 after he and European Australian Movement leader Thomas Sewell, who supported Mr Hersant in court on Friday, were sentenced over a clash with far-left provocateurs during a camping weekend.

He is the first Victorian to be found guilty and sentenced to prison under the state’s then-six-day-old Nazi salute ban, which was brought in following consultation with the Jewish community, Holocaust survivors, Victoria Police, and the Ethnic Community Council of Victoria.

Mr Hersant’s lawyer Timothy Smartt argued against a prison term, mentioning a number of NSW cases where people found guilty of doing the salute were fined, and reading a list of violent offences were only a minority of those convicted were jailed, and saying Mr Hersant was exercising freedom of speech.

He said he and his client would be appealing the sentence and the conviction in the County Court.

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