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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 101777 Melbourne Gender:	The human cost in Gaza Oct 25^th, 2023 at 1:16pm This is shocking - don't watch it if you will be upset - people killed and trapped under rubble in Gaza. https://gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/151/297/884/playable/51d7862c68a4...
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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1 - Oct 25^th, 2023 at 1:18pm

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/israels-increased-strikes-across-gaza-kill-mo...

Israel’s increased strikes across Gaza kill more than 700 people in the past day, Palestinians say

World Oct 24, 2023 11:32 AM EDT

RAFAH, Gaza Strip (AP) — Rapidly expanding Israeli airstrikes across the Gaza Strip killed more than 700 people in the past day as medical facilities across the territory were forced to close because of bombing damage and a lack of power, health officials said Tuesday.

The soaring death toll from Israel’s escalating bombardment was unprecedented in the decades-long Israeli-Palestinian conflict. It could signal an even greater loss of life in Gaza once Israeli ground forces backed by tanks and artillery launch an expected offensive into the territory aimed at crushing Hamas.

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Reply #2 - Oct 25^th, 2023 at 1:21pm

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/23/gaza-death-toll-exceeds-5000-as-israel...

Gaza death toll tops 5,000, nearly half of them children: Officials

Children make up 40 percent of the dead since Israel started bombing the enclave, according to Gaza’s Ministry of Health.

23 Oct 2023

Nearly 5,100 Palestinians have been killed in the Gaza Strip since Israel launched a relentless bombing campaign against the besieged enclave after an attack by Hamas inside Israel more than two weeks ago, according to health officials.

About 40 percent of the 5,087 people killed are children, Gaza’s Ministry of Health said on Monday, the day when Israel’s army said it carried out more than 300 new air attacks within 24 hours. Palestinian officials said more than 400 people were killed in that period.

Hamas’s attack in southern Israel killed at least 1,400 people, mostly civilians, according to Israeli officials.

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aquascoot Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 34124 Gender:	Re: The human cost in Gaza Reply #3 - Oct 25^th, 2023 at 1:44pm no way israel should go into "stalingrad"
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Reply #4 - Oct 25^th, 2023 at 3:55pm

https://edition.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-palestine-10-...

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Emotions ran high at the United Nations on Tuesday as Secretary-General António Guterres appealed for a ceasefire, saying that "clear violations of international humanitarian law" were happening in Gaza. Israel's top envoy called on Guterres "to resign immediately" after his remarks and said he was "not fit to lead the UN."

The main UN agency working in Gaza said it will be forced to halt its operations later today due to a lack of fuel, exacerbating a humanitarian crisis as Israeli airstrikes killed more than 700 people in 24 hours, according to Palestinian officials.

US military advisers are urging Israel to avoid an all-out ground assault while Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu appeared to tell soldiers Tuesday that a ground offensive was still on track, saying, "we stand before the next stage, it is coming."

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #5 - Oct 25^th, 2023 at 4:26pm

bobby

starving them out is the best "bad" solution.

going in is a nightmare and wont end well

hamas have probably got deadly gas stored in the tunnels awaiting release.

its a trap.

and if they massacre a lot of jewish soldiers, it will snowball out of control.

best to just conduct a seige.

let the hungry gazans take out their frustration on the only authority around...hamas

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Reply #6 - Oct 25^th, 2023 at 4:31pm

aquascoot wrote on Oct 25^th, 2023 at 4:26pm:

bobby

starving them out is the best "bad" solution.

going in is a nightmare and wont end well

hamas have probably got deadly gas stored in the tunnels awaiting release.

its a trap.

and if they massacre a lot of jewish soldiers, it will snowball out of control.

best to just conduct a seige.

let the hungry gazans take out their frustration on the only authority around...hamas

Israel has already destroyed 42% of all buildings in Gaza.
It's like Dresden in WW2.

https://www.newarab.com/news/gaza-42-housing-units-destroyed-damaged-israel

Isn't that enough collective punishment?

At least 42 percent of all housing units in the Gaza Strip have been destroyed or damaged as a result of Israel's continuous strikes, the UN humanitarian office said.

"About 15,100 housing units were destroyed, and 10,656 housing units were rendered uninhabitable," the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) said in a press statement sent to The New Arab.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #7 - Oct 25^th, 2023 at 4:37pm

yes,

thats enough senseless bombing (though it does help the profits of the military industrial complex.)
they are just turning over the rubble.

but they should not go in.

hamas will have booby traps (or is that bobby traps) set for them

hamas will hide behind teenage girls and then livestream teenagers bleeding to death after the israelis throw a greande

it is a public relations nightmare and it is what hamas want them to do.

just starve them out

hamas love a good kebab and wont resist for long

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #8 - Oct 25^th, 2023 at 4:41pm

aquascoot wrote on Oct 25^th, 2023 at 4:37pm:

yes,

thats enough senseless bombing (though it does help the profits of the military industrial complex.)
they are just turning over the rubble.

but they should not go in.

hamas will have booby traps (or is that bobby traps) set for them

hamas will hide behind teenage girls and then livestream teenagers bleeding to death after the israelis throw a greande

it is a public relations nightmare and it is what hamas want them to do.

just starve them out

hamas love a good kebab and wont resist for long

But Israel maintains that it's bombs are accurate. Go figure?

They might as well hire some B52s from the Yanks and do some carpet bombing.

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tickleandrose Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3990 Gender:	Re: The human cost in Gaza Reply #9 - Oct 25^th, 2023 at 4:44pm I am sorry to say, and may sound heartless... but... The reason why the killing continues is because there had not being enough people die on both sides yet. As long as this is the case, fighting will not stop.
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Reply #10 - Oct 25^th, 2023 at 4:57pm

tickleandrose wrote on Oct 25^th, 2023 at 4:44pm:

I am sorry to say, and may sound heartless... but... The reason why the killing continues is because there had not being enough people die on both sides yet. As long as this is the case, fighting will not stop.

I would say that the Israelis would be looking for a 10 to 1 ratio.

1,400 Israelis were murdered on October 7th.

Israel will be looking at a figure of 14,000 Gazans murdered as enough to pay the debt.
We're nearly half way there now.

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Reply #11 - Oct 25^th, 2023 at 5:06pm

https://edition.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-palestine-10-...

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Australia calls for “humanitarian pauses on hostilities” in Israel-Hamas conflict

From CNN’s Akanksha Sharma

Australia called for “humanitarian pauses on hostilities” in Gaza to allow supplies to get in and for civilians to get to safety, a statement from the country’s Foreign Minister Penny Wong said Wednesday.

“We call for humanitarian pauses on hostilities, so food, water, medicine and other essential assistance can reach people in desperate need, and so civilians can get to safety,” Wong said in a statement posted on her official X account, formerly Twitter.

Acknowledging that there’s been limited access to aid for Gaza residents in recent days, Wong said it was “nowhere near enough.”

Her comments come as the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) warned Tuesday that only eight of the 20 aid trucks that were originally scheduled to arrive that day had entered Gaza through the Rafah crossing.

Wong added that “innocent Palestinian civilians should not suffer because of the outrages perpetrated by Hamas," while also saying that the way "the way Israel exercises its right to defend itself matters… to civilians throughout the region

Wong also said that “Hamas does not represent the Palestinian people,” and she added it “undermines the legitimate aspirations of the Palestinian people.”

Wong called for protecting civilian lives, saying the “humanitarian situation in Gaza is dire and human suffering is widespread.”

Her statement comes as Canberra moved to deploy more personnel and send an Australian air force aircraft to the region.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48816 At my desk.	Re: The human cost in Gaza Reply #12 - Oct 25^th, 2023 at 6:19pm Quote: Wong also said that “Hamas does not represent the Palestinian people,” Didn't they elect Hamas?
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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #13 - Oct 25^th, 2023 at 6:22pm

freediver wrote on Oct 25^th, 2023 at 6:19pm:

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Wong also said that “Hamas does not represent the Palestinian people,”

Didn't they elect Hamas?

Dunno - wasn't there a choice between Fatah and Hamas?

I think Hamas murdered members of Fatah.
I doubt there were free and fair elections?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/24/gaza-election-hamas-2006-palesti...

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10602 armidale Gender:	Re: The human cost in Gaza Reply #14 - Oct 25^th, 2023 at 6:22pm 20% did way back.
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