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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1125 - Nov 13^th, 2023 at 4:24pm

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 4:21pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 4:14pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 1:14pm:

The world opinion is turning against Israel. And this seemed like the general trend.

https://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/israel-is-facing-a-collapse-in-support-for-its-ongoing-conflict/news-story/91b255412f027ac174ecf0b422505bb8

here are some quotes:

Doctors Without Borders has called the devastation “one of the worst humanitarian catastrophes that we have ever seen”.

And the International Committee of the Red Cross tweeted: “The human suffering is shocking. Thousands killed. People have limited access to food and water. Hospitals are near collapse. Hospital corridors are full of wounded and displaced. Destroyed infrastructure and homes will take years to rebuild. Even wars have limits.”

“Like all nations, though, Israel must be held to the laws and conventions that regulate warfare, as well as to a common sense of decency and proportion,” argues French.

This week, Spain’s social affairs minister Ione Belarra stood up and labelled Israel’s assault on the Gazan Palestinian population “a genocide”.

And Belgium’s Deputy Prime Minister Petra de Sutter publicly called for European Union sanctions to be imposed against the Netanyahu government.

But the United States has voted against a UN motion advocating a “humanitarian pause” in Gaza. Australia and the UK abstained. That’s despite all repeatedly advocating for a “humanitarian ceasefire”

Even India is turning sides.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/india-votes-in-favour-of-resolution-that-condemns-israeli-settlement-activities-in-occupied-palestinian-territory/article67527409.ece

The resolution titled ‘Protection of civilians and upholding legal and humanitarian obligations’ was adopted with 120 nations voting in favour, 14 against and 45 abstentions.

It is very clear now. This is far beyond accidental / misfire against 'human' shields. How many of those 10000 killed are Hamas fighters? I am sure, alot of people here believe that these are just 'Hamas women', 'Hamas child', "Hamas prem babies.' But I have yet to see a concrete quota on Hamas fighters.

This killing has to stop!

ALL civilian deaths in Gaza are TOTALLY AVOIDABLE. NONE of it would have happened without 7 October. NONE.

Who is responsible for 7 October?

HAMAS is responsible for 7 October. Not the Palestinian civilians. Frank... new reports today indicates that Pre Mature babies have died in their incubators because of lack of power and medical supply in hospitals. May be Israel should just cut the charade and formally declare war on Palestinians.

Yes.

Well said.

The killing of babies is planned - it's no accident.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1126 - Nov 13^th, 2023 at 4:37pm

Frank wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 4:14pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 1:14pm:

The world opinion is turning against Israel. And this seemed like the general trend.

https://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/israel-is-facing-a-collapse-in-support-for-its-ongoing-conflict/news-story/91b255412f027ac174ecf0b422505bb8

here are some quotes:

Doctors Without Borders has called the devastation “one of the worst humanitarian catastrophes that we have ever seen”.

And the International Committee of the Red Cross tweeted: “The human suffering is shocking. Thousands killed. People have limited access to food and water. Hospitals are near collapse. Hospital corridors are full of wounded and displaced. Destroyed infrastructure and homes will take years to rebuild. Even wars have limits.”

“Like all nations, though, Israel must be held to the laws and conventions that regulate warfare, as well as to a common sense of decency and proportion,” argues French.

This week, Spain’s social affairs minister Ione Belarra stood up and labelled Israel’s assault on the Gazan Palestinian population “a genocide”.

And Belgium’s Deputy Prime Minister Petra de Sutter publicly called for European Union sanctions to be imposed against the Netanyahu government.

But the United States has voted against a UN motion advocating a “humanitarian pause” in Gaza. Australia and the UK abstained. That’s despite all repeatedly advocating for a “humanitarian ceasefire”

Even India is turning sides.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/india-votes-in-favour-of-resolution-that-condemns-israeli-settlement-activities-in-occupied-palestinian-territory/article67527409.ece

The resolution titled ‘Protection of civilians and upholding legal and humanitarian obligations’ was adopted with 120 nations voting in favour, 14 against and 45 abstentions.

It is very clear now. This is far beyond accidental / misfire against 'human' shields. How many of those 10000 killed are Hamas fighters? I am sure, alot of people here believe that these are just 'Hamas women', 'Hamas child', "Hamas prem babies.' But I have yet to see a concrete quota on Hamas fighters.

This killing has to stop!

ALL civilian deaths in Gaza are TOTALLY AVOIDABLE. NONE of it would have happened without 7 October. NONE.

Who is responsible for 7 October?

Ummm that would be Hamas the terrorist organisation which was voted into political power by the Palestinians themselves.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1127 - Nov 13^th, 2023 at 4:49pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 4:37pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 4:14pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 1:14pm:

The world opinion is turning against Israel. And this seemed like the general trend.

https://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/israel-is-facing-a-collapse-in-support-for-its-ongoing-conflict/news-story/91b255412f027ac174ecf0b422505bb8

here are some quotes:

Doctors Without Borders has called the devastation “one of the worst humanitarian catastrophes that we have ever seen”.

And the International Committee of the Red Cross tweeted: “The human suffering is shocking. Thousands killed. People have limited access to food and water. Hospitals are near collapse. Hospital corridors are full of wounded and displaced. Destroyed infrastructure and homes will take years to rebuild. Even wars have limits.”

“Like all nations, though, Israel must be held to the laws and conventions that regulate warfare, as well as to a common sense of decency and proportion,” argues French.

This week, Spain’s social affairs minister Ione Belarra stood up and labelled Israel’s assault on the Gazan Palestinian population “a genocide”.

And Belgium’s Deputy Prime Minister Petra de Sutter publicly called for European Union sanctions to be imposed against the Netanyahu government.

But the United States has voted against a UN motion advocating a “humanitarian pause” in Gaza. Australia and the UK abstained. That’s despite all repeatedly advocating for a “humanitarian ceasefire”

Even India is turning sides.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/india-votes-in-favour-of-resolution-that-condemns-israeli-settlement-activities-in-occupied-palestinian-territory/article67527409.ece

The resolution titled ‘Protection of civilians and upholding legal and humanitarian obligations’ was adopted with 120 nations voting in favour, 14 against and 45 abstentions.

It is very clear now. This is far beyond accidental / misfire against 'human' shields. How many of those 10000 killed are Hamas fighters? I am sure, alot of people here believe that these are just 'Hamas women', 'Hamas child', "Hamas prem babies.' But I have yet to see a concrete quota on Hamas fighters.

This killing has to stop!

ALL civilian deaths in Gaza are TOTALLY AVOIDABLE. NONE of it would have happened without 7 October. NONE.

Who is responsible for 7 October?

Ummm that would be Hamas the terrorist organisation which was voted into political power by the Palestinians themselves.

When did that happen?

And what percentage of Palestinians voted them in?

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1128 - Nov 13^th, 2023 at 4:56pm

freediver wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 1:10pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 1:09pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 12:16pm:

Is it just a coincidence that the same people also like to spread anti-Jewish propaganda?

As much of a coincidence as it is that those most defending is Israel are also islamaphobes Roll Eyes

Most of the world is defending Israel John. Including a lot of neighbouring Muslim countries.

Most of the world is also critical of Israel going to far ... including many Israelis themselves

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: The human cost in Gaza Reply #1129 - Nov 13^th, 2023 at 4:57pm Sure Greg. https:://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/24/gaza-election-Hamas-2006-palest... Interesting article. It understands the importance of context.
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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1130 - Nov 13^th, 2023 at 4:58pm

Frank wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 4:14pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 1:14pm:

The world opinion is turning against Israel. And this seemed like the general trend.

https://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/israel-is-facing-a-collapse-in-support-for-its-ongoing-conflict/news-story/91b255412f027ac174ecf0b422505bb8

here are some quotes:

Doctors Without Borders has called the devastation “one of the worst humanitarian catastrophes that we have ever seen”.

And the International Committee of the Red Cross tweeted: “The human suffering is shocking. Thousands killed. People have limited access to food and water. Hospitals are near collapse. Hospital corridors are full of wounded and displaced. Destroyed infrastructure and homes will take years to rebuild. Even wars have limits.”

“Like all nations, though, Israel must be held to the laws and conventions that regulate warfare, as well as to a common sense of decency and proportion,” argues French.

This week, Spain’s social affairs minister Ione Belarra stood up and labelled Israel’s assault on the Gazan Palestinian population “a genocide”.

And Belgium’s Deputy Prime Minister Petra de Sutter publicly called for European Union sanctions to be imposed against the Netanyahu government.

But the United States has voted against a UN motion advocating a “humanitarian pause” in Gaza. Australia and the UK abstained. That’s despite all repeatedly advocating for a “humanitarian ceasefire”

Even India is turning sides.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/india-votes-in-favour-of-resolution-that-condemns-israeli-settlement-activities-in-occupied-palestinian-territory/article67527409.ece

The resolution titled ‘Protection of civilians and upholding legal and humanitarian obligations’ was adopted with 120 nations voting in favour, 14 against and 45 abstentions.

It is very clear now. This is far beyond accidental / misfire against 'human' shields. How many of those 10000 killed are Hamas fighters? I am sure, alot of people here believe that these are just 'Hamas women', 'Hamas child', "Hamas prem babies.' But I have yet to see a concrete quota on Hamas fighters.

This killing has to stop!

ALL civilian deaths in Gaza are TOTALLY AVOIDABLE. NONE of it would have happened without 7 October. NONE.

Who is responsible for 7 October?

Tell that to the 6000+ dead Palestinians in the 17 years prior to 7 Oct.

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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74702 Gender:	Re: The human cost in Gaza Reply #1131 - Nov 13^th, 2023 at 4:59pm Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 4:57pm: Sure Greg. https:://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/24/gaza-election-Hamas-2006-palestine-israel/ 2006 ya dumbarse ... with about 30% of the population voting for them
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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1132 - Nov 13^th, 2023 at 5:00pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 4:49pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 4:37pm:

Ummm that would be Hamas the terrorist organisation which was voted into political power by the Palestinians themselves.

When did that happen?

And what percentage of Palestinians voted them in?

How many children and babies voted for Hamas?

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1133 - Nov 13^th, 2023 at 5:06pm

What a load of garbage. An election that was held 17 years ago. Even then only 30 - 44% (depending on poll location) or so Palestinians - not the majority.

But let me remind everyone here. The prem babies who died in the incubators did NOT vote for HAMAS. The 4000 children who got torn to bits and pieces by an regular national defence force - did NOT vote for HAMAS. Collective punishment is wrong.

Here in Australia, we believe that when a terrorist take hostages and using them as human shields, we don't deliberately kill the hostages to kill the terrorist, we save the hostages! THIS is the Australian way!

The killing has to stop.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1134 - Nov 13^th, 2023 at 5:07pm

John Smith wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 4:56pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 1:10pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 1:09pm:

freediver wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 12:16pm:

Is it just a coincidence that the same people also like to spread anti-Jewish propaganda?

As much of a coincidence as it is that those most defending is Israel are also islamaphobes Roll Eyes

Most of the world is defending Israel John. Including a lot of neighbouring Muslim countries.

Most of the world is also critical of Israel going to far ... including many Israelis themselves

Most of YOUR little sick and depraved little world you mean? Your silly world full consisting of ignorant and gullible idiots who haven’t yet worked out what your drug addicted mate Methra has been doing using the internet? That world? The rallies Methra has been instrumental in initiating and the vile manner she has used people in order to get them emotionally invested so that she can then scab their money to pass onto her little terrorist living buddies who give her a cut.... has been officially reported. By a number of people.

Have a lovely evening tosspot.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1135 - Nov 13^th, 2023 at 5:10pm

John Smith wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 4:59pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 4:57pm:

Sure Greg.

https:://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/24/gaza-election-Hamas-2006-palestine-israel/

2006 ya dumbarse ... with about 30% of the population voting for them

You couldn’t read the article. Obviously. Of course you couldn’t. You’re uneducated, dumb and operating on 1 last drug fried brain cell. Hence your moronic post.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1136 - Nov 13^th, 2023 at 5:20pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 5:10pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 4:59pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 4:57pm:

Sure Greg.

https:://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/24/gaza-election-Hamas-2006-palestine-israel/

2006 ya dumbarse ... with about 30% of the population voting for them

You couldn’t read the article. Obviously. Of course you couldn’t. You’re uneducated, dumb and operating on 1 last drug fried brain cell. Hence your moronic post.

Even your article told you that the election was in 2006 ... the rest of that article is another dickhead trying to blame the victims. A tactic commonly used by your right wing fuckwits .

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Reply #1137 - Nov 13^th, 2023 at 5:28pm

In his first election Hitler won just 36% of the vote. All elections thereafter have been considered corrupt.

The Germans have always been collectively blamed for WW2 and the Holocaust.

Palestinian should collectively be responsible for their open Jew hate and Hamas are actually no different from the Nazis.

https://twitter.com/erbmjha/status/1712537721066107161?lang=en

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1138 - Nov 13^th, 2023 at 5:31pm

Gordon wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 5:28pm:

In his first election Hitler won just 36% of the vote. All elections thereafter have been considered corrupt.

The Germans have always been collectively blamed for WW2 and the Holocaust.

Palestinian should collectively be responsible for their open Jew hate and Hamas are actually no different from the Nazis.

https://twitter.com/erbmjha/status/1712537721066107161?lang=en

This is exactly the same sort of mentality that enabled Hitler's killing concentration camp in the first place. That Jewish were to be collectively punished and blamed for anti German / Aryan.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1139 - Nov 13^th, 2023 at 5:39pm

John Smith wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 4:58pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 4:14pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 1:14pm:

The world opinion is turning against Israel. And this seemed like the general trend.

https://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/israel-is-facing-a-collapse-in-support-for-its-ongoing-conflict/news-story/91b255412f027ac174ecf0b422505bb8

here are some quotes:

Doctors Without Borders has called the devastation “one of the worst humanitarian catastrophes that we have ever seen”.

And the International Committee of the Red Cross tweeted: “The human suffering is shocking. Thousands killed. People have limited access to food and water. Hospitals are near collapse. Hospital corridors are full of wounded and displaced. Destroyed infrastructure and homes will take years to rebuild. Even wars have limits.”

“Like all nations, though, Israel must be held to the laws and conventions that regulate warfare, as well as to a common sense of decency and proportion,” argues French.

This week, Spain’s social affairs minister Ione Belarra stood up and labelled Israel’s assault on the Gazan Palestinian population “a genocide”.

And Belgium’s Deputy Prime Minister Petra de Sutter publicly called for European Union sanctions to be imposed against the Netanyahu government.

But the United States has voted against a UN motion advocating a “humanitarian pause” in Gaza. Australia and the UK abstained. That’s despite all repeatedly advocating for a “humanitarian ceasefire”

Even India is turning sides.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/india-votes-in-favour-of-resolution-that-condemns-israeli-settlement-activities-in-occupied-palestinian-territory/article67527409.ece

The resolution titled ‘Protection of civilians and upholding legal and humanitarian obligations’ was adopted with 120 nations voting in favour, 14 against and 45 abstentions.

It is very clear now. This is far beyond accidental / misfire against 'human' shields. How many of those 10000 killed are Hamas fighters? I am sure, alot of people here believe that these are just 'Hamas women', 'Hamas child', "Hamas prem babies.' But I have yet to see a concrete quota on Hamas fighters.

This killing has to stop!

ALL civilian deaths in Gaza are TOTALLY AVOIDABLE. NONE of it would have happened without 7 October. NONE.

Who is responsible for 7 October?

Tell that to the 6000+ dead Palestinians in the 17 years prior to 7 Oct.

Why did they die? Because Israel responded to previous pogroms against it.

This is not the first time Palestinians have attacked Israel, you know, just the bloodiest and most barbaric.

IF you truly wanted a two state solution you would not behave like the Palestinians have been for 75 years: reject every offer, respond with war and violence.

They want a one state solution but are unable to wipe out Israel by themselves. So they appeal to Islamic sentiment to whip up a pan-Muslim, even global, frenzy against the Jews. How? By drawing Israel into responding to their terrorist brutality.
Israel is always condemned for responding.
Eleven idiotic cockwomb l ed Bbwian thinks that atrocities are best ignored because responding is 'playing the game they want you to play".

So by his and your utterly moronic and evil reckoning, the korrekt response to the murder, rape and burning of Jews in their houses, music festivals, farms is to ignore it. Anything else, like retaliation, is 'playing the game they want you to play".

That's how ****ing rotten to the core you are. You would NEVER, EVER advocate that the murder, rape and defining of YOUR families be ignored.

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