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Reply #1155 - Nov 13^th, 2023 at 6:36pm

Bobby. wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 6:25pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 6:20pm:

Hitler started it. And Europe did not want any of the Jewish refugees. So they pushed them all to Palestine. Get your history right.

Hitler didn't start it -
they had been bashing up Jews for centuries in Europe before Hitler was even born.

Hitler did have a hand in it. It was his attempt to eradicate the Jews which created the situation that resulted in Israel being created.

It wasn't just a coincidence that Israel was founded in 1948 just after WW2 (1945).

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Reply #1156 - Nov 13^th, 2023 at 6:38pm

Of the 965 individual recipients of the Nobel Prize and the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences between 1901 and 2023, at least 214 have been Jews or people with at least one Jewish parent, representing 22% of all recipients.

As of 2023, sixteen Nobel Prize laureates have been Muslims, more than half in the 21st century. Nine of the fifteen laureates have been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, Grin

while four have been for the sciences and three for Literature.

jews are smart

people feel inferior

so they hate

its a lot easier to do that then studying and trying to win a nobel prize

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1157 - Nov 13^th, 2023 at 6:43pm

aquascoot wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 6:38pm:

Of the 965 individual recipients of the Nobel Prize and the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences between 1901 and 2023, at least 214 have been Jews or people with at least one Jewish parent, representing 22% of all recipients.

As of 2023, sixteen Nobel Prize laureates have been Muslims, more than half in the 21st century. Nine of the fifteen laureates have been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, Grin

while four have been for the sciences and three for Literature.

jews are smart

people feel inferior

so they hate

its a lot easier to do that then studying and trying to win a nobel prize

Yitzhak Rabin for his role in creation of Oslo Accords was awarded the 1994 Noble Peace Price. He was assassinated on November 4, 1995, by Yigal Amir, an extremist Jew, who was opposed to the Oslo Accords and the handing over of control of parts of the West Bank to the Palestinians as a part of a landmark peace agreement.

In the weeks before the assassination, Netanyahu, then head of the opposition, and other senior Likud members attended a right-wing political rally in Jerusalem where protesters branded Rabin a “traitor,” “murderer,” and “Nazi” for signing a peace agreement with the Palestinians earlier that year.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1158 - Nov 13^th, 2023 at 6:45pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 6:36pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 6:25pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 6:20pm:

Hitler started it. And Europe did not want any of the Jewish refugees. So they pushed them all to Palestine. Get your history right.

Hitler didn't start it -
they had been bashing up Jews for centuries in Europe before Hitler was even born.

Hitler did have a hand in it. It was his attempt to eradicate the Jews which created the situation that resulted in Israel being created.

It wasn't just a coincidence that Israel was founded in 1948 just after WW2 (1945).

European Jews had been migrating to Palestine since the late 19th century. That escalated during the 20s - long before Hitler came to power.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1160 - Nov 13^th, 2023 at 6:58pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 6:45pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 6:36pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 6:25pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 6:20pm:

Hitler started it. And Europe did not want any of the Jewish refugees. So they pushed them all to Palestine. Get your history right.

Hitler didn't start it -
they had been bashing up Jews for centuries in Europe before Hitler was even born.

Hitler did have a hand in it. It was his attempt to eradicate the Jews which created the situation that resulted in Israel being created.

It wasn't just a coincidence that Israel was founded in 1948 just after WW2 (1945).

European Jews had been migrating to Palestine since the late 19th century. That escalated during the 20s - long before Hitler came to power.

It was going nowhere till the US and UK gave them the current site in 1948. Their other options were Australia or allowing them into the USA or UK etc.

Had the US and UK not granted them the land in Palestine there would be no Israel today.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1161 - Nov 13^th, 2023 at 7:00pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 6:45pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 6:36pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 6:25pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 6:20pm:

Hitler started it. And Europe did not want any of the Jewish refugees. So they pushed them all to Palestine. Get your history right.

Hitler didn't start it -
they had been bashing up Jews for centuries in Europe before Hitler was even born.

Hitler did have a hand in it. It was his attempt to eradicate the Jews which created the situation that resulted in Israel being created.

It wasn't just a coincidence that Israel was founded in 1948 just after WW2 (1945).

European Jews had been migrating to Palestine since the late 19th century. That escalated during the 20s - long before Hitler came to power.

Jews have been migrating to the promised land since the days of Moses.....before Christ was even in knee pants..

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1162 - Nov 13^th, 2023 at 7:42pm

Gordon wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 5:28pm:

In his first election Hitler won just 36% of the vote. All elections thereafter have been considered corrupt.

The Germans have always been collectively blamed for WW2 and the Holocaust.

Palestinian should collectively be responsible for their open Jew hate and Hamas are actually no different from the Nazis.

https://twitter.com/erbmjha/status/1712537721066107161?lang=en

Ha! And some idiots think history never repeats.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1163 - Nov 13^th, 2023 at 7:44pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 7:42pm:

Gordon wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 5:28pm:

In his first election Hitler won just 36% of the vote. All elections thereafter have been considered corrupt.

The Germans have always been collectively blamed for WW2 and the Holocaust.

Palestinian should collectively be responsible for their open Jew hate and Hamas are actually no different from the Nazis.

https://twitter.com/erbmjha/status/1712537721066107161?lang=en

Ha! And some idiots think history never repeats.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1164 - Nov 13^th, 2023 at 9:23pm

aquascoot wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 6:38pm:

Of the 965 individual recipients of the Nobel Prize and the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences between 1901 and 2023, at least 214 have been Jews or people with at least one Jewish parent, representing 22% of all recipients.

As of 2023, sixteen Nobel Prize laureates have been Muslims, more than half in the 21st century. Nine of the fifteen laureates have been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, Grin

while four have been for the sciences and three for Literature.

jews are smart

people feel inferior

so they hate

its a lot easier to do that then studying and trying to win a nobel prize

Good perspective. I can see the hoof, too.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1165 - Nov 13^th, 2023 at 10:39pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 6:58pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 6:45pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 6:36pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 6:25pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 6:20pm:

Hitler started it. And Europe did not want any of the Jewish refugees. So they pushed them all to Palestine. Get your history right.

Hitler didn't start it -
they had been bashing up Jews for centuries in Europe before Hitler was even born.

Hitler did have a hand in it. It was his attempt to eradicate the Jews which created the situation that resulted in Israel being created.

It wasn't just a coincidence that Israel was founded in 1948 just after WW2 (1945).

European Jews had been migrating to Palestine since the late 19th century. That escalated during the 20s - long before Hitler came to power.

It was going nowhere till the US and UK gave them the current site in 1948. Their other options were Australia or allowing them into the USA or UK etc.

Had the US and UK not granted them the land in Palestine there would be no Israel today.

It turns out that placing the Jews in Israel surrounded by 70 million Arabs
at the time - was not such a good idea.
We've had the constant threat of a nuclear war starting there since about 1973.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1166 - Nov 14^th, 2023 at 5:11am

Bobby. wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 10:39pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 6:58pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 6:45pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 6:36pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 6:25pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 6:20pm:

Hitler started it. And Europe did not want any of the Jewish refugees. So they pushed them all to Palestine. Get your history right.

Hitler didn't start it -
they had been bashing up Jews for centuries in Europe before Hitler was even born.

Hitler did have a hand in it. It was his attempt to eradicate the Jews which created the situation that resulted in Israel being created.

It wasn't just a coincidence that Israel was founded in 1948 just after WW2 (1945).

European Jews had been migrating to Palestine since the late 19th century. That escalated during the 20s - long before Hitler came to power.

It was going nowhere till the US and UK gave them the current site in 1948. Their other options were Australia or allowing them into the USA or UK etc.

Had the US and UK not granted them the land in Palestine there would be no Israel today.

It turns out that placing the Jews in Israel surrounded by 70 million Arabs
at the time - was not such a good idea.
We've had the constant threat of a nuclear war starting there since about 1973.

are you saying multiculturalism is a bad idea bobby?

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1167 - Nov 14^th, 2023 at 6:58am

Bobby. wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 10:39pm:

It turns out that placing the Jews in Israel surrounded by 70 million Arabs
at the time - was not such a good idea.
We've had the constant threat of a nuclear war starting there since about 1973.

In terms of the European societies of 1945, it was the best possible solution.

Nazis didn't invent European Jew hate, it is baked-in to European cultures.

What surprised the SS was how enthusiastic many non-Germans were with assisting Nazis in the rounding-up, expelling, and murder of local Jews.

By the end of WW2 in Europe, there was no place in European societies for Jewish communities - either due to the revenge instinct, in the extreme, within those communities towards Nazis and their many local collaborators, or due to the guilt factor within the non-Jewish local communities over those collaborators - what the Dutch refer to as those who were 'right' vs those who were 'wrong'.

That there was a possible 'homeland' where all Jews could migrate after 1945 - if it hadn't already existed, Europeans would have had to invent it.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1168 - Nov 14^th, 2023 at 7:02am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 6:58am:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 10:39pm:

It turns out that placing the Jews in Israel surrounded by 70 million Arabs
at the time - was not such a good idea.
We've had the constant threat of a nuclear war starting there since about 1973.

In terms of the European societies of 1945, it was the best possible solution.

Nazis didn't invent European Jew hate, it is baked-in to European cultures.

What surprised the SS was how enthusiastic many non-Germans were with assisting Nazis in the rounding-up, expelling, and murder of local Jews.

By the end of WW2 in Europe, there was no place in European societies for Jewish communities - either due to the revenge instinct, in the extreme, within those communities towards Nazis and their many local collaborators, or due to the guilt factor within the non-Jewish local communities over those collaborators - what the Dutch refer to as those who were 'right' vs those who were 'wrong'.

That there was a possible 'homeland' where all Jews could migrate after 1945 - if it hadn't already existed, Europeans would have had to invent it.

But why couldn't the Jews have had a country some place in Europe?

Example:

Israel area 22,145 km²

France Area 551,695 km²

Israel is only 1/24th the size of France -
that's not much of a loss of French territory to be given away.

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Re: The human cost in Gaza
Reply #1169 - Nov 14^th, 2023 at 7:09am

Bobby. wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 7:02am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 6:58am:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 13^th, 2023 at 10:39pm:

It turns out that placing the Jews in Israel surrounded by 70 million Arabs
at the time - was not such a good idea.
We've had the constant threat of a nuclear war starting there since about 1973.

In terms of the European societies of 1945, it was the best possible solution.

Nazis didn't invent European Jew hate, it is baked-in to European cultures.

What surprised the SS was how enthusiastic many non-Germans were with assisting Nazis in the rounding-up, expelling, and murder of local Jews.

By the end of WW2 in Europe, there was no place in European societies for Jewish communities - either due to the revenge instinct, in the extreme, within those communities towards Nazis and their many local collaborators, or due to the guilt factor within the non-Jewish local communities over those collaborators - what the Dutch refer to as those who were 'right' vs those who were 'wrong'.

That there was a possible 'homeland' where all Jews could migrate after 1945 - if it hadn't already existed, Europeans would have had to invent it.

But why couldn't the Jews have had a country some place in Europe?

Example:

Israel area 22,145 km²

France Area 551,695 km²

Israel is only 1/24th the size of France -
that's not much of a loss of French territory to be given away.

That'd be fine... Except for the French.

Outside the neutral countries, all other states in Europe had been overrun, occupied and carved up by an invading foreign army. Why would the French accept the loss of territory as compensation to others for what an invading force had done?

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